Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Founding the Agoran Award and Achivement Association

[Aris Merchant]

I'll hopefully have time to write up that opinion for this weekend,
assuming I've been assigned to the case by then. Then you can acquire
an office and get payed. We really need to bring back free money for
new players, as soon as we fix the present crisis.

-Aris

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Quazie  wrote:
> Ah-ha - that makes sense - I'm certainly too poor for that game right now,
> but it's an interesting organization none the less
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 22:40 Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>> Look again.
>>
>> Right now, you (maybe) or I (not maybe) or any other Agoran besides
>> nichdel could straight-up win a Voting Session by joining, paying 11
>> Shinies, and voting for emself. nichdel, in turn, can increase eir Proxies
>> during the Voting Session by paying more in. The more that’s paid in, the
>> more valuable the pot is, and the larger the incremental utility of each
>> Shiny paid into the organization during that Voting Session.
>>
>> It’s a penny auction.
>>
>> -o
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:36 AM, Quazie  wrote:
>>
>> So It's a popularity contest?
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 22:33 Nicholas Evans  wrote:
>>>
>>> I flip my Budget with AVM to 50.
>>>
>>> I flip my Budget with ACU to 0.
>>>
>>> I create the Agoran Award and Achivement Association organization with
>>> the following charter:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> An amendment to this Organization is Appropriate if intent to perform
>>> it was announced between 4 and 14 days ago, and no members of the
>>> Organization have publicly objected to it since.
>>>
>>> When a member of this organization pays any number of shinies to this
>>> organization they receive as many Proxies as paid shinies.
>>>
>>> Once a month any member of this organization may initiate a Voting
>>> Session. A Voting Session lasts 7 days. During the Voting Session,
>>> each member may cast a number of votes equal to eir number of Proxies,
>>> with valid votes being any entity that has a Balance switch. When a
>>> Voting Session ends, this Organization shall pay X/Y rounded down to
>>> each entity with the highest number of votes where X is the shinies
>>> this organization has in its Budget and Y is the number of entities
>>> to pay. All remaining shinies shall be paid to Agora. All members have
>>> 0 Proxies when a Voting Session ends.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I flip my Budget with the AAaAA to 50.
>>>
>>> I pay 10 shinies to the AAaAA.
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Founding the Agoran Award and Achivement Association

[Quazie]

Ah-ha - that makes sense - I'm certainly too poor for that game right now,
but it's an interesting organization none the less

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 22:40 Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> Look again.
>
> Right now, you (maybe) or I (not maybe) or any other Agoran besides
> nichdel could straight-up win a Voting Session by joining, paying 11
> Shinies, and voting for emself. nichdel, in turn, can increase eir Proxies
> during the Voting Session by paying more in. The more that’s paid in, the
> more valuable the pot is, and the larger the incremental utility of each
> Shiny paid into the organization during that Voting Session.
>
> It’s a penny auction.
>
> -o
>
> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:36 AM, Quazie  wrote:
>
> So It's a popularity contest?
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 22:33 Nicholas Evans  wrote:
>
>> I flip my Budget with AVM to 50.
>>
>> I flip my Budget with ACU to 0.
>>
>> I create the Agoran Award and Achivement Association organization with
>> the following charter:
>>
>> 
>>
>> An amendment to this Organization is Appropriate if intent to perform
>> it was announced between 4 and 14 days ago, and no members of the
>> Organization have publicly objected to it since.
>>
>> When a member of this organization pays any number of shinies to this
>> organization they receive as many Proxies as paid shinies.
>>
>> Once a month any member of this organization may initiate a Voting
>> Session. A Voting Session lasts 7 days. During the Voting Session,
>> each member may cast a number of votes equal to eir number of Proxies,
>> with valid votes being any entity that has a Balance switch. When a
>> Voting Session ends, this Organization shall pay X/Y rounded down to
>> each entity with the highest number of votes where X is the shinies
>> this organization has in its Budget and Y is the number of entities
>> to pay. All remaining shinies shall be paid to Agora. All members have
>> 0 Proxies when a Voting Session ends.
>>
>> 
>>
>> I flip my Budget with the AAaAA to 50.
>>
>> I pay 10 shinies to the AAaAA.
>>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Founding the Agoran Award and Achivement Association

[Owen Jacobson]

Look again.

Right now, you (maybe) or I (not maybe) or any other Agoran besides nichdel 
could straight-up win a Voting Session by joining, paying 11 Shinies, and 
voting for emself. nichdel, in turn, can increase eir Proxies during the Voting 
Session by paying more in. The more that’s paid in, the more valuable the pot 
is, and the larger the incremental utility of each Shiny paid into the 
organization during that Voting Session.

It’s a penny auction.

-o

> On Apr 27, 2017, at 1:36 AM, Quazie  wrote:
> 
> So It's a popularity contest?
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 22:33 Nicholas Evans  > wrote:
> I flip my Budget with AVM to 50.
> 
> I flip my Budget with ACU to 0.
> 
> I create the Agoran Award and Achivement Association organization with
> the following charter:
> 
> 
> 
> An amendment to this Organization is Appropriate if intent to perform
> it was announced between 4 and 14 days ago, and no members of the
> Organization have publicly objected to it since.
> 
> When a member of this organization pays any number of shinies to this
> organization they receive as many Proxies as paid shinies.
> 
> Once a month any member of this organization may initiate a Voting
> Session. A Voting Session lasts 7 days. During the Voting Session,
> each member may cast a number of votes equal to eir number of Proxies,
> with valid votes being any entity that has a Balance switch. When a
> Voting Session ends, this Organization shall pay X/Y rounded down to
> each entity with the highest number of votes where X is the shinies
> this organization has in its Budget and Y is the number of entities
> to pay. All remaining shinies shall be paid to Agora. All members have
> 0 Proxies when a Voting Session ends.
> 
> 
> 
> I flip my Budget with the AAaAA to 50.
> 
> I pay 10 shinies to the AAaAA.



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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday (Apr 2017)

[Aris Merchant]

Given the present... situation (crisis being to strong), why not just do it
now? There's no rule saying you have to do it only at the new month, that's
just the only time it's required.

-Aris
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:34 PM Nicholas Evans  wrote:

> You're registrar (via deputization). When the month rolls around, announce
> intent to deregister everyone who hasn't posted in the last month. Once you
> deregister them, that will free up their shinies.
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:55 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Printing more money seems to be the only reasonable option at this point.
>>
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Aris Merchant <
>> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:48 PM Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>>
 The previous message purporting to contain the April payday notice was
 incorrectly calculated. It incorrectly applied the rules from Proposal 
 7841.

 The following notice replaces it totally.

 -o

 Date of this payday: Sat  1 Apr, 2017
 Date of last payday: Wed  1 Mar, 2017


 As Secretary, it is my pleasure to report that Agora has paid the
 following salaries to players:

 Player   Shinies
 
 ais52310
 aranea10
 Aris  10
 Charles   10
 G.10
 Henri 10
 Murphy10
 nichdel   10
 o 10
 omd   10
 Roujo 10
 Sci_Guy12 10
 Sprocklem 10
 Tekneek   10
 Warrigal, the 10
 Yally 10
 Zachary Watterson 10
 天火狐 10

 Additionally, Agora has paid the following salaries to officers:

 Player  Office  Payrate
 ---

 Agora’s balance is, as of this Payday, 1 Shinies.

 Oh dear. We may need to increase supply. Anyone have any solutions
>>> other than just printing more money?
>>>
>>> -Aris
>>>
>>
>>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Founding the Agoran Award and Achivement Association

[Quazie]

So It's a popularity contest?
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 22:33 Nicholas Evans  wrote:

> I flip my Budget with AVM to 50.
>
> I flip my Budget with ACU to 0.
>
> I create the Agoran Award and Achivement Association organization with
> the following charter:
>
> 
>
> An amendment to this Organization is Appropriate if intent to perform
> it was announced between 4 and 14 days ago, and no members of the
> Organization have publicly objected to it since.
>
> When a member of this organization pays any number of shinies to this
> organization they receive as many Proxies as paid shinies.
>
> Once a month any member of this organization may initiate a Voting
> Session. A Voting Session lasts 7 days. During the Voting Session,
> each member may cast a number of votes equal to eir number of Proxies,
> with valid votes being any entity that has a Balance switch. When a
> Voting Session ends, this Organization shall pay X/Y rounded down to
> each entity with the highest number of votes where X is the shinies
> this organization has in its Budget and Y is the number of entities
> to pay. All remaining shinies shall be paid to Agora. All members have
> 0 Proxies when a Voting Session ends.
>
> 
>
> I flip my Budget with the AAaAA to 50.
>
> I pay 10 shinies to the AAaAA.
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday (Apr 2017)

[Nicholas Evans]

You're registrar (via deputization). When the month rolls around, announce
intent to deregister everyone who hasn't posted in the last month. Once you
deregister them, that will free up their shinies.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:55 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Printing more money seems to be the only reasonable option at this point.
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Aris Merchant  gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:48 PM Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>>> The previous message purporting to contain the April payday notice was
>>> incorrectly calculated. It incorrectly applied the rules from Proposal 7841.
>>>
>>> The following notice replaces it totally.
>>>
>>> -o
>>>
>>> Date of this payday: Sat  1 Apr, 2017
>>> Date of last payday: Wed  1 Mar, 2017
>>>
>>>
>>> As Secretary, it is my pleasure to report that Agora has paid the
>>> following salaries to players:
>>>
>>> Player   Shinies
>>> 
>>> ais52310
>>> aranea10
>>> Aris  10
>>> Charles   10
>>> G.10
>>> Henri 10
>>> Murphy10
>>> nichdel   10
>>> o 10
>>> omd   10
>>> Roujo 10
>>> Sci_Guy12 10
>>> Sprocklem 10
>>> Tekneek   10
>>> Warrigal, the 10
>>> Yally 10
>>> Zachary Watterson 10
>>> 天火狐 10
>>>
>>> Additionally, Agora has paid the following salaries to officers:
>>>
>>> Player  Office  Payrate
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Agora’s balance is, as of this Payday, 1 Shinies.
>>>
>>> Oh dear. We may need to increase supply. Anyone have any solutions other
>> than just printing more money?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>
>

Re: DIS: Assets proto-proposal, v2

[Alex Smith]

On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 22:56 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> Reenact rule 2166, Assets (Power = 2), with the following text:
> 
> Is there a meaningful distinction between re-enacting a rule and
> creating a rule?

Rule history is something that legally has to be tracked, in the FLR.
If you re-enact a rule, the history (and ID number) of the old rule
stays around. Enacting a new rule would make it appear to have been
created from scratch.

(We only invented this mechanism very recently. I'm not sure if it's
been used yet. At least, helping to prevent rule number inflation seems
like a good thing.)

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Timing

[Alex Smith]

On Wed, 2017-04-26 at 22:15 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> A thread elsewhere about unrecorded deeds prompted me to wonder:
> 
> Does an Agoran instrument take effect when it’s dated, when it’s
> published, or at some other time?
> 
> I’d almost assume “when it’s published,” right now, as the current
> state of Agora does not formally recognize any kind of private
> action. Informal private actions can happen, but they only become
> effective through the public fora. However, that hasn’t always been
> true…
> 
> Are there any interesting CFJs or historical rules on the matter?

This is something that there's indeed been a lot of discussion about
over the years.

For a long time, game custom used "TDoC", "technical domain of
control", rules; the basic idea was that an email was considered to
take effect at the point in time at which the sender no longer had an
ability to prevent or stall its being sent (so an email sitting in your
outbox where you can delete it is unsent, but an email that's busy
being relayed is sent). I'm not sure if there was ever actually a basis
in the rules to conclude this (other than the rule 217 request to
respect past judgements and game custom).

CFJ 2058 (https://cfj.qoid.us/2058) and its appeal are one of the CFJs
on the subject that sticks out most in my mind (partly because it was
my idea, partly because it set out a fairly convincing argument and
damped down the questions for at least a while). They also link to
numerous previous CFJs on the subject, if you want to get an idea of
how things work.

The outcome of 2058 was basically that you can fulfil an obligation by
sending a message, but that timing restrictions on things like
ratification are based on when the message would be generally available
to other players. The earliest time at which this happens is the moment
at which the email is received by Agora's mailing list servers, because
at that point it can be accessed via the Web interface even if it
hasn't been forwarded to the individual users yet.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Assets proto-proposal, v2

[Owen Jacobson]

Some diagnostic questions, to help me figure out how I want to structure the 
proposed rules for Estates:

Aris Merchant  wrote:

> Reenact rule 2166, Assets (Power = 2), with the following text:

Is there a meaningful distinction between re-enacting a rule and creating a 
rule?

>  Each asset has exactly one owner.  If an asset would otherwise
>  lack an owner, it is owned by the Lost and Found Department.  If
>  an asset's backing document restricts its ownership to a class
>  of entities, then that asset CANNOT be gained by or transferred
>  to an entity outside that class, and is destroyed if it is owned
>  by an entity outside that class (except for the Lost and Found
>  Department, in which case any player CAN transfer or destroy it
>  without objection).

The class “owner” isn’t constrained. I’d love to see some limits, to prevent 
cyclic ownership structures and to prevent scenarios such as “this asset is 
owned by a person who is not a player, who cannot do anything with it without 
first becoming a player."

How do you foresee a restriction on the class of owners for a given asset 
appearing in the backing document? Model wording would be very helpful, at 
least for me.

-o




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DIS: Timing

[Owen Jacobson]

A thread elsewhere about unrecorded deeds prompted me to wonder:

Does an Agoran instrument take effect when it’s dated, when it’s published, or 
at some other time?

I’d almost assume “when it’s published,” right now, as the current state of 
Agora does not formally recognize any kind of private action. Informal private 
actions can happen, but they only become effective through the public fora. 
However, that hasn’t always been true…

Are there any interesting CFJs or historical rules on the matter?

-o



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: My precious

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Sprocklem S  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Quazie  wrote:
>> I may not be a player, but i'm certainly poor.  I would love someone to give
>> me some shinies - mostly cuz that will make the game state even more in
>> Flux.  I thank you, and o dis-thanks you for your time.
> 
> Might as well:
> 
> If Quazie is a player, I pay em 20 shinies.


This is getting out of hand. From the draft of next week’s Secretary’s report:

Balances:

Quazie is a player   Quazie is not a player   Holder
--
 9 Shinies9 ShiniesAgora
 5 Shinies5 ShiniesOrganization:AVM
   986 Shinies  986 ShiniesPlayer
53 Shinies   53 Shinies  Aris
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  Charles
   130 Shinies  130 Shinies  G.
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  Henri
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  Murphy
20 Shinies   20 Shinies  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
20 Shinies   Quazie
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  Roujo
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  Sci_Guy12
20 Shinies   40 Shinies  Sprocklem
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  Tekneek
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  Warrigal, the
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  Yally
10 Shinies   10 Shinies  Zachary Watterson
70 Shinies   70 Shinies  ais523
   100 Shinies  100 Shinies  aranea
   108 Shinies  108 Shinies  nichdel
55 Shinies   55 Shinies  o
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  omd
40 Shinies   40 Shinies  天火狐

Keep it up! I’m enjoying the carnage.

-o


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DIS: My precious

[Quazie]

I may not be a player, but i'm certainly poor.  I would love someone to
give me some shinies - mostly cuz that will make the game state even more
in Flux.  I thank you, and o dis-thanks you for your time.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possibly an Apology part two, apologetic boogaloo

[Owen Jacobson]

Looks great to me! I’ve got it in next week’s Referee’s report draft.

-o

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Quazie  wrote:
> 
> Dear o - does this apology suffice?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:15 PM Quazie  > wrote:
> The quoted text below is my true apology.  I have fixed my mistake, and noted 
> the missing word... Fixed... so all is fixed... that is if I needed to 
> apologize and fix things in the first place.
> 
> YELLOW CARD BE GONE!
> 
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 12:45 PM Quazie  > wrote:
> Note: This is only an official apology if I was actually required to make an 
> official apology.  A number of CFJs need to resolve to figure that out - but 
> in the world in which I am a player, and I did indeed get issued a Yellow 
> Card, I want to be able to vote once voting is applicable.
> ---
> 
> It's a bittersweet experience to be possibly forced to make an apology, maybe 
> bittersweet is the wrong word, maybe it's actually an umami flavor, one 
> that's hard to properly describe just like my player-state is hard to 
> describe.
> 
> As I have been possibly issued a Yellow Card depending on a number of CFJs, 
> i've decided to write my possibly necessary apology as an interpretation of a 
> recognizable Yellow Card song.  I am certain you will enjoy my sorriness.
> 
> There's a place off Ocean Avenue
> I'll be treating Ocean Avenue as a metaphorical representation of Agora Nomic
> Where I used to sit and talk with you
> We were both 16 and it felt so right
> These two lyrics place us back in time, to my early Agora days, many moons 
> ago.  I used to sit and e-mail you agora, plotting schemes, making rules, 
> causing chaos.
> Sleeping all day, staying up all night
> Staying up all night
> The above two lines are how i believe o feels - I've complicated the state e 
> must record by maybe being player.  Now e must spend so many hours throughout 
> the evening  working on reports.  I feel for em, my empthay overflows, and I 
> understand that I have done wrong.
> 
> There's a place on the corner of Cherry Street
> We would walk on the beach in our barefeet
> I see Cherry Street as a public fora of Agora.  An important place in the 
> song, cherry street is where the narrator has a barefooted memory.  I see 
> this as when in the past I used a contract to make a non-human person, on a 
> public fora, of Agora.
> We were both 18 and it felt so right
> Sleeping all day, staying up all night
> Staying up all night
> Now the lyrics refer to me, back then, scheming and plotting, as I have once 
> again done, plotted to make things complicated, and that lack of determinate 
> state has made some sad, and for that, I am sorry.
> 
> If I could find you now things would get better
> Here, these lyrics refer to o being perturbed by the inability to track if I 
> am a player for certain or not.  Things would certainly be better if we could 
> find the answer for that.
> We could leave this town and run forever
> This particular lyric might not be applicable, though it could be a reference 
> to that one time Agora made a precise strike on another nomic.
> Let your waves crash down on me
> And take me away, yeah yeah
> Here, here i see my future actions as Waves, waves of potential chaos, waves 
> of change.  While i'm not the only reason agora suddenly has an influx in 
> activity, i see myself as a force of change, and chaos, that will take Agora 
> out of it's current lazy slumber.  For this, I am not sorry.
> 
> There's a piece of you that's here with me
> It's everywhere I go, it's everything I see
> This refers to my and Murphy's current relationship.  A piece of me 
> potentially lies with him - though, we will have to see via CFJ if that's 
> even allowed.
> When I sleep I dream and it gets me by
> I can make believe that you're here tonight
> That you're here tonight
> Here my transgressions are running through o's mind, driving em a bit mad, 
> and leading to this Yellow Card for Yellow Card.  E did believe that I was a 
> player, and made all sorts of assumptions about the actions that player made.
> 
> If I could find you now things would get better
> We could leave this town and run forever
> I know somewhere, somehow we'll be together
> Let your waves crash down on me
> And take me away, yeah
> This chorus is not a distinct entity, so i will refer you to the exact same 
> interpretation I had above.
> 
> I remember the look in your eyes
> This is obviously a metaphor, I haven't looked any Agoran player in the eyes, 
> not once.
> When I told you that this was goodbye
> You were begging me not tonight
> Not here, not now
> Here I also am expressing sorriness for the fact that for some reason I'm a 
> fugitive - I don't remember what I did, but i left without serving my 
> sentence, but now i'm back, and I'm sorry.
> We're looking up at the same night sky
> We keep 

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday (Apr 2017)

[Owen Jacobson]

The horror of the market is that often the people with the money and the people 
with the goods fail to communicate! Thanks for making the immediate problem 
crystal clear.

-o

> On Apr 26, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you! I will pend my first proposal tomorrow, if not earlier.
> 
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> 
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Owen Jacobson  > wrote:
> I pay Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 20 Shinies.
> 
> -o
> 
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  > wrote:
> 
>> I have proposals, but I don have the shinies to pend them. If I got them, I 
>> use them.
>> 
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Owen Jacobson > > wrote:
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:08 AM, Aris Merchant 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> > Oh dear. We may need to increase supply. Anyone have any solutions other 
>> > than just printing more money?
>> 
>> Couple of thoughts:
>> 
>> * providing more reasons to pay or give money back to Agora
>> * creating more Organizations whose charters involve moving Shinies around, 
>> to make more use of the Shinies we already have and stop them from pooling
>> * more proposals!
>> 
>> -o
>> 
>> 
> 



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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday (Apr 2017)

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Thank you! I will pend my first proposal tomorrow, if not earlier.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> I pay Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 20 Shinies.
>
> -o
>
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I have proposals, but I don have the shinies to pend them. If I got them,
> I use them.
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:08 AM, Aris Merchant > l.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Oh dear. We may need to increase supply. Anyone have any solutions
>> other than just printing more money?
>>
>> Couple of thoughts:
>>
>> * providing more reasons to pay or give money back to Agora
>> * creating more Organizations whose charters involve moving Shinies
>> around, to make more use of the Shinies we already have and stop them from
>> pooling
>> * more proposals!
>>
>> -o
>>
>>
>

DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly report

[Josh T]

I would like to point out that I am not an office (in the recent events
section of the report).

天火狐

On 25 April 2017 at 23:05, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> Secretary's Weekly Report
>
> Date of this report: Sun, 23 Apr 2017
> Date of last report: Sun, 29 Jan 2017
>
>
> Recent events (all times UTC)
>
> Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:16:45  Aris paid 3 Shinies (o)
> Sat, 14 Jan 2017 20:49:15  o paid 5 Shinies (Aris)
> Sun, 15 Jan 2017 15:47:26  Agora paid 6 Shinies (nichdel)
> Sun, 15 Jan 2017 15:59:00  Agora paid 6 Shinies (nichdel)
> Sun, 15 Jan 2017 18:37:23  Agora paid 5 Shinies (nichdel)
> Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:00:37  nichdel leaves Organization "ABM"
> Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:00:37  nichdel joins Organization "ACU"
> Sun, 15 Jan 2017 23:00:37  nichdel joins Organization "AVM"
> Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:50:02  Aris paid 5 Shinies (nichdel)
> - previous report -
> - time of last report -
> Wed,  1 Feb 2017 00:00:00  Payday
> Tue, 14 Feb 2017 03:47:00  o Paid 20 Shinies (Aris)
> Wed,  1 Mar 2017 00:00:00  Payday
> Wed,  1 Apr 2017 00:00:00  Payday
> Sun, 16 Apr 2017 21:04:27 !Quazie joins Organizations "ABM", "ACU",
> "AVM", and 天火狐
> Wed, 19 Apr 2017 23:29:03 !Quazie declared Bankrupt
>
> Events marked with a ! are provisional until the status of Quazie as a
> player is resolved.
>
>
> Personal Lockouts:
>
> Player Until
> 
> !Quazie July 18, 2017
>
> Records marked with a ! are provisional until the status of Quazie as a
> player is resolved.
>
>
> Global Lockout: No
>
>
> Balances:
>
>9 Shinies  Agora
>5 Shinies  Organization:AVM
>  986 Shinies  Player
>   53 ShiniesAris
>   40 ShiniesCharles
>  130 ShiniesG.
>   40 ShiniesHenri
>   40 ShiniesMurphy
>   40 ShiniesRoujo
>   40 ShiniesSci_Guy12
>   40 ShiniesSprocklem
>   40 ShiniesTekneek
>   40 ShiniesWarrigal, the
>   40 ShiniesYally
>   10 ShiniesZachary Watterson
>   70 Shiniesais523
>  100 Shiniesaranea
>  108 Shiniesnichdel
>   75 Shinieso
>   40 Shiniesomd
>   40 Shinies天火狐
>
>
> Budgets:
>
> Player ABM  ACU  AVM  蘭亭社 Expenditure
> ---
> ais523  25   30   55
> aranea  25   50   75
> Murphy   50   50
> nichdel  75   25 100
> o50   50 100
> omd  20   20
> Sprocklem   25   20   45
> 天火狐   5050
>
> Income  75  295   7550   495
>
> ABM = The Agoran Betting Market
> ACU = The Agoran Credit Union
> AVM = The Agoran Voting Market
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Possibly an Apology part two, apologetic boogaloo

[Quazie]

Dear o - does this apology suffice?

On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:15 PM Quazie  wrote:

> The quoted text below is my true apology.  I have fixed my mistake, and
> noted the missing word... Fixed... so all is fixed... that is if I needed
> to apologize and fix things in the first place.
>
> YELLOW CARD BE GONE!
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 12:45 PM Quazie  wrote:
>
>> Note: This is only an official apology if I was actually required to make
>> an official apology.  A number of CFJs need to resolve to figure that out -
>> but in the world in which I am a player, and I did indeed get issued a
>> Yellow Card, I want to be able to vote once voting is applicable.
>> ---
>>
>> It's a bittersweet experience to be possibly forced to make an apology,
>> maybe bittersweet is the wrong word, maybe it's actually an umami flavor,
>> one that's hard to properly describe just like my player-state is hard to
>> describe.
>>
>> As I have been possibly issued a Yellow Card depending on a number of
>> CFJs, i've decided to write my possibly necessary apology as an
>> interpretation of a recognizable Yellow Card song.  I am certain you will
>> enjoy my sorriness.
>>
>> There's a place off Ocean Avenue
>>>
>> I'll be treating Ocean Avenue as a metaphorical representation of Agora
>> Nomic
>>
>>> Where I used to sit and talk with you
>>>
>> We were both 16 and it felt so right
>>>
>> These two lyrics place us back in time, to my early Agora days, many
>> moons ago.  I used to sit and e-mail you agora, plotting schemes, making
>> rules, causing chaos.
>>
>>> Sleeping all day, staying up all night
>>> Staying up all night
>>>
>> The above two lines are how i believe o feels - I've complicated the
>> state e must record by maybe being player.  Now e must spend so many hours
>> throughout the evening  working on reports.  I feel for em, my empthay
>> overflows, and I understand that I have done wrong.
>>
>> There's a place on the corner of Cherry Street
>>> We would walk on the beach in our barefeet
>>>
>> I see Cherry Street as a public fora of Agora.  An important place in the
>> song, cherry street is where the narrator has a barefooted memory.  I see
>> this as when in the past I used a contract to make a non-human person, on a
>> public fora, of Agora.
>>
>>> We were both 18 and it felt so right
>>> Sleeping all day, staying up all night
>>> Staying up all night
>>>
>> Now the lyrics refer to me, back then, scheming and plotting, as I have
>> once again done, plotted to make things complicated, and that lack of
>> determinate state has made some sad, and for that, I am sorry.
>>
>>
>>> If I could find you now things would get better
>>>
>> Here, these lyrics refer to o being perturbed by the inability to track
>> if I am a player for certain or not.  Things would certainly be better if
>> we could find the answer for that.
>>
>>> We could leave this town and run forever
>>>
>> This particular lyric might not be applicable, though it could be a
>> reference to that one time Agora made a precise strike on another nomic.
>>
>>> Let your waves crash down on me
>>> And take me away, yeah yeah
>>>
>> Here, here i see my future actions as Waves, waves of potential chaos,
>> waves of change.  While i'm not the only reason agora suddenly has an
>> influx in activity, i see myself as a force of change, and chaos, that will
>> take Agora out of it's current lazy slumber.  For this, I am not sorry.
>>
>>
>>> There's a piece of you that's here with me
>>>
>> It's everywhere I go, it's everything I see
>>>
>> This refers to my and Murphy's current relationship.  A piece of me
>> potentially lies with him - though, we will have to see via CFJ if that's
>> even allowed.
>>
>>> When I sleep I dream and it gets me by
>>> I can make believe that you're here tonight
>>> That you're here tonight
>>>
>> Here my transgressions are running through o's mind, driving em a bit
>> mad, and leading to this Yellow Card for Yellow Card.  E did believe that I
>> was a player, and made all sorts of assumptions about the actions that
>> player made.
>>
>> If I could find you now things would get better
>>> We could leave this town and run forever
>>> I know somewhere, somehow we'll be together
>>> Let your waves crash down on me
>>> And take me away, yeah
>>>
>> This chorus is not a distinct entity, so i will refer you to the exact
>> same interpretation I had above.
>>
>> I remember the look in your eyes
>>>
>> This is obviously a metaphor, I haven't looked any Agoran player in the
>> eyes, not once.
>>
>>> When I told you that this was goodbye
>>> You were begging me not tonight
>>> Not here, not now
>>>
>> Here I also am expressing sorriness for the fact that for some reason I'm
>> a fugitive - I don't remember what I did, but i left without serving my
>> sentence, but now i'm back, and I'm sorry.
>>
>>> We're looking up at the same night sky
>>> We keep pretending the sun will not rise
>>> We'll be together for 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday (Apr 2017)

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I have proposals, but I don have the shinies to pend them. If I got them, I
use them.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

>
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:08 AM, Aris Merchant  gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh dear. We may need to increase supply. Anyone have any solutions other
> than just printing more money?
>
> Couple of thoughts:
>
> * providing more reasons to pay or give money back to Agora
> * creating more Organizations whose charters involve moving Shinies
> around, to make more use of the Shinies we already have and stop them from
> pooling
> * more proposals!
>
> -o
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday (Apr 2017)

[Owen Jacobson]

On Apr 26, 2017, at 1:08 AM, Aris Merchant  
wrote:

> Oh dear. We may need to increase supply. Anyone have any solutions other than 
> just printing more money?

Couple of thoughts:

* providing more reasons to pay or give money back to Agora
* creating more Organizations whose charters involve moving Shinies around, to 
make more use of the Shinies we already have and stop them from pooling
* more proposals!

-o



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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Payday (Apr 2017)

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Printing more money seems to be the only reasonable option at this point.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 7:48 PM Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>
>> The previous message purporting to contain the April payday notice was
>> incorrectly calculated. It incorrectly applied the rules from Proposal 7841.
>>
>> The following notice replaces it totally.
>>
>> -o
>>
>> Date of this payday: Sat  1 Apr, 2017
>> Date of last payday: Wed  1 Mar, 2017
>>
>>
>> As Secretary, it is my pleasure to report that Agora has paid the
>> following salaries to players:
>>
>> Player   Shinies
>> 
>> ais52310
>> aranea10
>> Aris  10
>> Charles   10
>> G.10
>> Henri 10
>> Murphy10
>> nichdel   10
>> o 10
>> omd   10
>> Roujo 10
>> Sci_Guy12 10
>> Sprocklem 10
>> Tekneek   10
>> Warrigal, the 10
>> Yally 10
>> Zachary Watterson 10
>> 天火狐 10
>>
>> Additionally, Agora has paid the following salaries to officers:
>>
>> Player  Office  Payrate
>> ---
>>
>> Agora’s balance is, as of this Payday, 1 Shinies.
>>
>> Oh dear. We may need to increase supply. Anyone have any solutions other
> than just printing more money?
>
> -Aris
>