Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7993
Arguments: CFJs 1214-1215 are have been mentioned as relevant. The standard specified there is that they must be reasonably resolvable by the responsible recordkeepor. More generally, you might consider looking through the FLR annotations for Rule 478, "Fora". The general consensus of those precedents seems to be that the requirement that by announcement actions must be "unambiguously and clearly specif[ied]" means that it must be possible to figure out what someone is doing with a reasonable amount of effort. I would argue that most of the CFJs listed are applications of that principle to specific cases. For instance, CFJ 2238 states that the parameters of the actions (as opposed to just the kind of action) must be clear, and CFJs 1971 and 2133 show how disclaimers can create unclarity. The most relevant statement of the doctrine I can find is actually CFJ 1460, annotated (oddly) on Rule 217. It's really worth a read, because it explains how overly complex instructions can create ambiguity. It is, of course, for your honor to decide whether the complexity of these particular actions is sufficient to make them ambiguous. [CFJs may be found here: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/ ] -Aris On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:17 PM Madeline wrote: > > Speaking of precedent, is someone able to point me to the relevant CFJs? > Going to need it for the judgement I need to write up. > > > On 2017-12-15 13:35, Aris Merchant wrote: > > I vote AGAINST. Conditionals are a significant convenience, and they make > > gameplay more interesting. Removing them should be a last resort. I believe > > our precedents should be enough to prevent abuse; if not, there is > > certainly a less extreme legislative solution. > > > > -Aris > > > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:52 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: > > > >> I vote FOR. > >> > >> On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 at 21:04 Aris Merchant < > >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran > >>> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal > >>> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the > >>> quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options > >>> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional > >>> votes). > >>> > >>> ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend > >>> fee > >>> > >> --- > >>> 7993* Alexis 1.0 Conditional Ban Alexis 1 AP > >>> > >>> The proposal pool is currently empty. > >>> > >>> Legend: * : Proposal is pending. > >>> > >>> > >>> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value > >>> in shines (see the Treasuror's report). > >>> > >>> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. > >>> > >>> // > >>> ID: 7993 > >>> Title: Conditional Ban > >>> Adoption index: 1.0 > >>> Author: Alexis > >>> Co-authors: > >>> > >>> > >>> Enact a new rule entitled 'Unconditionality' reading "Except where the > >>> rules, implicitly or explicitly, provide a mechanism to do so, actions > >>> CANNOT be performed conditionally." > >>> > >>> // > >>> >
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7993
Speaking of precedent, is someone able to point me to the relevant CFJs? Going to need it for the judgement I need to write up. On 2017-12-15 13:35, Aris Merchant wrote: I vote AGAINST. Conditionals are a significant convenience, and they make gameplay more interesting. Removing them should be a last resort. I believe our precedents should be enough to prevent abuse; if not, there is certainly a less extreme legislative solution. -Aris On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 4:52 PM Alexis Hunt wrote: I vote FOR. On Sun, 10 Dec 2017 at 21:04 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional votes). ID Author(s) AITitlePender Pend fee --- 7993* Alexis 1.0 Conditional Ban Alexis 1 AP The proposal pool is currently empty. Legend: * : Proposal is pending. A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value in shines (see the Treasuror's report). The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below. // ID: 7993 Title: Conditional Ban Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Alexis Co-authors: Enact a new rule entitled 'Unconditionality' reading "Except where the rules, implicitly or explicitly, provide a mechanism to do so, actions CANNOT be performed conditionally." //
Re: DIS: I swear I remember this (attn: G.)
Ah yep, it was. On 12/14/2017 6:39 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I think this might be the list you were looking for: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2017-November/048790.html -Aris On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:11 AM, ATMunn wrote: Thank you! On 12/13/2017 2:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034843.html On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, ATMunn wrote: I seem to remember a post by G. that had a link to eir current thesis, which was talking about an old economic system from when e joined the game. I think e also posted some other messages relating to economic systems. I tried for about half an hour to find it, and couldn't. I decided it would be easier just to ask.
Re: DIS: I swear I remember this (attn: G.)
I think this might be the list you were looking for: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2017-November/048790.html -Aris On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 6:11 AM, ATMunn wrote: > Thank you! > > > On 12/13/2017 2:04 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> >> >> >> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034843.html >> >> On Tue, 12 Dec 2017, ATMunn wrote: >>> >>> I seem to remember a post by G. that had a link to eir current thesis, >>> which >>> was talking about an old economic system from when e joined the game. I >>> think >>> e also posted some other messages relating to economic systems. I tried >>> for >>> about half an hour to find it, and couldn't. I decided it would be easier >>> just >>> to ask. >> >> >> >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
On 12/14/2017 05:58 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > You're a BlogNomic player, aren't you? That would explain it. I > remembered reading your username somewhere, and I thought it was the > Agoran mailing list archives. > Yup! That must be it. > > They are the current unofficial curreny system. We have an actual > economy, based around a currency called shinies, but it's pretty > broken right now (constantly running out of supply to pay people, no > one has a reason to spend which leads to hoarding, etc.). A major > economic reform proposal is in development, but it's taking a while to > work out the details. Bills are a replacement currency, operating on a > shiny standard (you know, like the gold standard) that had been > defined by contract. If you go to the a-o (Agora-official, aka. OFF) > archives, and look at the most recent Notary's weekly report, there's > a contract called The Agoran Credit Union. It contains further > details. > > -Aris > I see now. This is what I get for not back-reading enough OFF: a very helpful explanation.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
I also recently started working on a proposal based on an old system from the early 2000s. G. wrote a thesis about the old system, and I decided to try and see what that would look like today. Not sure when that will be done, though. On 12/14/2017 5:58 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: They are the current unofficial curreny system. We have an actual economy, based around a currency called shinies, but it's pretty broken right now (constantly running out of supply to pay people, no one has a reason to spend which leads to hoarding, etc.). A major economic reform proposal is in development, but it's taking a while to work out the details. Bills are a replacement currency, operating on a shiny standard (you know, like the gold standard) that had been defined by contract. If you go to the a-o (Agora-official, aka. OFF) archives, and look at the most recent Notary's weekly report, there's a contract called The Agoran Credit Union. It contains further details. -Aris
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 2:31 PM, pokes wrote: > >> Welcome (back I believe) to Agora! >> >> -Aris > > > I'm completely fresh, so excuse a few bumps on the way to my getting up to > speed. You're a BlogNomic player, aren't you? That would explain it. I remembered reading your username somewhere, and I thought it was the Agoran mailing list archives. >> Welcome! >> >> I transfer 150 bills to pokes. > > > Thanks! But how would one find out what bills are? They are the current unofficial curreny system. We have an actual economy, based around a currency called shinies, but it's pretty broken right now (constantly running out of supply to pay people, no one has a reason to spend which leads to hoarding, etc.). A major economic reform proposal is in development, but it's taking a while to work out the details. Bills are a replacement currency, operating on a shiny standard (you know, like the gold standard) that had been defined by contract. If you go to the a-o (Agora-official, aka. OFF) archives, and look at the most recent Notary's weekly report, there's a contract called The Agoran Credit Union. It contains further details. -Aris
DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
Welcome (back I believe) to Agora! -Aris I'm completely fresh, so excuse a few bumps on the way to my getting up to speed. Welcome! I transfer 150 bills to pokes. Thanks! But how would one find out what bills are?
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Arbitor Candidate Needed
Do you not want to win? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Dec 14, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote: > > Hopefully someone else contests me lol. > > I become a Candidate for Arbitor. > > On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:33 PM, ATMunn wrote: > >> The nomination period for the Arbitor election is going to end on >> Saturday, and if nobody runs for it, the election will end with no >> winner. We need an Arbitor, so if someone would be willing to take it >> (even temporarily) that would be great. >> >> I can (and will) obviously start another election if this one ends, but >> I'd rather not do that. >> signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP
DIS: Arbitor Candidate Needed
The nomination period for the Arbitor election is going to end on Saturday, and if nobody runs for it, the election will end with no winner. We need an Arbitor, so if someone would be willing to take it (even temporarily) that would be great. I can (and will) obviously start another election if this one ends, but I'd rather not do that.
