DIS: [Drafting] Rules As Items
This doesn't feel like the right time for this proposal just
yet, but I want to put it out there for review.
{
Title: The Crystal
Adoption Index: 1.0
Author: 4st
Co-author:
I have yearned for the days of Clork, putting things into knip,
and all of the nonsense that once existed as part of Nomic,
or general self-referential, rule-changing games.
ALAS, this nonsense caused instability in the very foundations of Agora,
AND it was grand.
AND SO, I seek to shaketh the foundations upon which we lie,
upending the system of power and thusly encourage legislative play.
THUSLY, enact a rule entitled "The Crystal" with power=1.0 and the text:
{
The Geologist is the office that tracks crystals.
A crystal is a unique, indestructible, and liquid asset.
Each crystal is identified by two natural numbers,
one of which is the size, and the other is its identity.
The default size of a crystal is 1.
Ownership of crystals is entirely restricted to players and
Agora. If a stone is owned by the Lost and Found Department
or in abeyance, it is immediately transferred to Agora.
Whenever a proposal amends or repeals a rule:
- If a crystal with an identity equal to the number of that rule exists,
transfer it to the author of the proposal, and increase its size by 1.
- Otherwise, grant the author of the proposal a crystal with the identity
equal to the number of that rule.
A player CAN, by announcement, Shatter the System, specifying one or more
crystallized players, provided that no person has won the game by doing so
in the past 30 days. A player is crystallized if e owns crystals with a
total
size greater than or equal to the number of rules in the current ruleset.
When the System is Shattered, the specified player(s) win the game. If a
player
won the game in this manner 4 or more days ago, any player CAN repeal this
rule
by announcement.
}
}
--
4st
Re: DIS: Thesis Question for 4st
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:23 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 3:27 PM nix via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 2/11/23 15:06, nix via agora-business wrote: > > > Below is the thesis. 4st has submitted it in the hopes of receiving a > > ANA. > > > > Before giving a verdict, I want some context for the submission. In > > Discord 4st argued anything can be art. I agree largely. But I think it > > needs context. This isn't R. Mutt and the Independents, that's already > > been played out. Anything CAN be art, but tell me why *this* is art > > worthy of a degree, in a way that doesn't make every single proposal > > worthy of a degree. > > > > -- > > nix > > This proposal is worthy of a degree for a few reasons: > [snip] Your list reads, to me, like reasons that your text is worthy of being considered as a good, fun, and creative proposal, and possibly worth voting for. It does not give me reason to think of it as a thesis. There's been many many proposals that have been longer, taken more effort, had more made-up words etc. (stones, birds, horses, and similar in the past were all imitative works of art following a metaphor). Without denigrating yours at all, why wouldn't we award all of those theses as well if we awarded it to you, just because you asked for it? (In other words, I'm not wholly sure you spoke to artistic merit?) > (I have only seen one other thesis worthy of a degree, and one thesis that > doesn't, so far. and the thesis that was worthy was a Doctorate.) Arts degrees are relatively new, and rather different in structure than all others, so there's not many in the past for comparison. I can't remember any ANA failures (could be wrong? didn't see any on a quick search). There were two successful ANAs: Cuddlebeam's is available here: https://imgur.com/a/VDAQaae And Aspen's is available below. https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/043923.html Insomuch as "length" is any indicator of artistic effort, I will wholly agree that yours and Aspen's are in the same ballpark for an ANA. -G.
Re: DIS: Thesis Question for 4st
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023, 3:27 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 2/11/23 15:06, nix via agora-business wrote: > > Below is the thesis. 4st has submitted it in the hopes of receiving a > ANA. > > Before giving a verdict, I want some context for the submission. In > Discord 4st argued anything can be art. I agree largely. But I think it > needs context. This isn't R. Mutt and the Independents, that's already > been played out. Anything CAN be art, but tell me why *this* is art > worthy of a degree, in a way that doesn't make every single proposal > worthy of a degree. > > -- > nix > Herald, Collector > This proposal is worthy of a degree for a few reasons: - it contains many made up words that do not really obfuscate the meaning all that much, yet would produce interesting, complicated seeming gameplay. - yet it is scammable by any office, and a cabal of 3, in a period of 3-4 weeks, for all cabal members that have offices - it contains flavor text in a style that is neither old nor new nomic (maybe it is a style that has been seen in nomic, but I doubt.) - it has clear self-referential potential, which we don't see lately. - it, unfortunately, contains at least one bug that prevent the intended scam from working as I intended (however pobody's nerfect, however, does this affect its value as art?) - The office to track it would be able to do so without too much trouble (except how more than one of the actions can happen weekly, thus it would be very busy). Mainly, most proposals do not use made up words, use the same verb for different actions, or have self-referential potential, nor do they contain flavor text as much as they used to. (I have only seen one other thesis worthy of a degree, and one thesis that doesn't, so far. and the thesis that was worthy was a Doctorate.)
DIS: @Arbitor @Herald: CFJ and Thesis Review Board
I declare my interest in judging CFJs and reviewing theses.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: ALT: [Herald] The Thesis Review Board
On 2/11/23 18:30, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I also volunteer for the Thesis review board. Added you. Current board is as follows: ReviewerLast Reviewed Thesis 4st Aspen 23-02-11 Janet 23-02-11 juan nix 23-02-11 snail -- nix Herald, Collector
DIS: Thesis Question for 4st
On 2/11/23 15:06, nix via agora-business wrote: > Below is the thesis. 4st has submitted it in the hopes of receiving a ANA. Before giving a verdict, I want some context for the submission. In Discord 4st argued anything can be art. I agree largely. But I think it needs context. This isn't R. Mutt and the Independents, that's already been played out. Anything CAN be art, but tell me why *this* is art worthy of a degree, in a way that doesn't make every single proposal worthy of a degree. -- nix Herald, Collector
