Re: DIS: Proto: Mother, May I? fix
On Sat, 2017-09-23 at 14:14 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote: > What’s the issue this solves? I’m having a rough morning, and I can’t > see the problem. It means that you don't incur a rules violation in the situation that the rules compel you to do something, but you have no way to do so. We used to define such a case as being something that couldn't be *punished*. Removing the *obligation* seems like it makes much more sense. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Proto: Mother, May I? fix
This resolves your problem with having to issue cards for bad reasons.
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> On Sep 23, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
> On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> wrote:
>
>> Title: You SHALL, unless it is ILLEGAL.
>> Power: 2
>> Author: PSS
>> Text: {
>> Append to the end of Item 7 in "Mother, May I?", by removing the period and
>> inserting the following string in its place, the following text:
>> ", unless performing the described action is ILLEGAL.”
>> }
>
> What’s the issue this solves? I’m having a rough morning, and I can’t see the
> problem.
>
> -o
>
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Re: DIS: Proto: Mother, May I? fix
On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
wrote:
> Title: You SHALL, unless it is ILLEGAL.
> Power: 2
> Author: PSS
> Text: {
> Append to the end of Item 7 in "Mother, May I?", by removing the period and
> inserting the following string in its place, the following text:
> ", unless performing the described action is ILLEGAL.”
> }
What’s the issue this solves? I’m having a rough morning, and I can’t see the
problem.
-o
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DIS: Proto: Mother, May I? fix
Title: You SHALL, unless it is ILLEGAL.
Power: 2
Author: PSS
Text: {
Append to the end of Item 7 in "Mother, May I?", by removing the period and
inserting the following string in its place, the following text:
", unless performing the described action is ILLEGAL."
}
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
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Re: DIS: Proto: Mother, May I?
On 5/8/07, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2. MUST NOT (syn. MAY NOT, SHALL NOT, ILLEGAL, PROHIBITED) Attempts to perform the described action are successful, but violate the rules. This definition is incorrect. Prohibition does not imply possibility. There is no *point* to outlawing something impossible, but there is also no contradiction in doing so. -- C. Maud Image (Michael Slone) "my record has been stained" -- Andre, in agora-discussion
Re: DIS: Proto: Mother, May I?
Several of the terms that you define are already used to define the behaviour of artificial entities, rather than only to constrain player actions. Or do you intend that they only have the formal meaning when capitalised? You should add "MANDATORY" as an alternative for "MUST". Also, these alternative terms are not actually synonyms, as they have different grammar from the main term. -zefram
DIS: Proto: Mother, May I?
Proto-Proposal: Mother, May I? (AI = 3, please) Create a rule titled "Mother, May I?" with Power 3 and this text: The following terms are defined: 1. CANNOT (syn. IMPOSSIBLE, INEFFECTIVE, INVALID) Attempts to perform the described action are unsuccessful. 2. MUST NOT (syn. MAY NOT, SHALL NOT, ILLEGAL, PROHIBITED) Attempts to perform the described action are successful, but violate the rules. 3. SHOULD NOT (syn. DISCOURAGED, DEPRECATED) Attempts to perform the described action are successful, but the full implications should be understood and carefully weighed before doing so. 4. CAN X ONLY IF Y Equivalent to CANNOT X UNLESS Y. Similarly for the other terms. This takes precedence over the following cases. 5. MUST (syn. SHALL, REQUIRED) Failure to perform the described action violates the rules. 6. SHOULD The full implications should be understood and carefully weighed before failing to perform the action. [And let the scams begin!]
