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>Great Degree, Super Awesome Degree, Very Very Rad Degree... goddamnit I laughed way harder than I should have lol
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>Proto: For every thesis beyond a PhD-qualifying thesis that a >player submits, e receives a Degree where is one >more positive adjectives than the last degree e received had. >PhD, Great Degree, Super Awesome Degree, Very Very Rad Degree... goddamnit I laughed way harder than I should have lol
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On 05/25/2017 07:30 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: Ah, ok, sorry. I also wondering about that myself because what would happen if I max out at degrees yet still want to submit more thesis? I just don't go higher I guess. Or I become Magnum Philosopher Quad-PhD Thesispooper Supreme with Capuchino of Nomic or something I dunno. Proto: For every thesis beyond a PhD-qualifying thesis that a player submits, e receives a Degree where is one more positive adjectives than the last degree e received had. PhD, Great Degree, Super Awesome Degree, Very Very Rad Degree...
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We could add higher degrees or we could award Certificates of High Scholarship for any extra theses. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:30 PM, CuddleBeamwrote: > Ah, ok, sorry. I also wondering about that myself because what would > happen if I max out at degrees yet still want to submit more thesis? > > I just don't go higher I guess. > > Or I become Magnum Philosopher Quad-PhD Thesispooper Supreme with > Capuchino of Nomic or something I dunno. >
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Ah, ok, sorry. I also wondering about that myself because what would happen if I max out at degrees yet still want to submit more thesis? I just don't go higher I guess. Or I become Magnum Philosopher Quad-PhD Thesispooper Supreme with Capuchino of Nomic or something I dunno.
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On Thu, 25 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On this topic, why can’t someone receive multiple of the same degree? I dunno. It wasn't in the earliest mail archive version of that rule, and I can't remember it ever being an issue. I suppose there's some logic to requiring a progression, or not awarding lots of low-effort lower degrees, doesn't seem particularly important though. Also, looking back at the earliest version, I love this bit: A person may use a Degree with eir name for any official or unofficial business if and only if e currently Bears that Degree. ("That's DOCTOR G. to you...")
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I wasn't saying we should change it, just wondering the original logic. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:20 PM, CuddleBeamwrote: > I'm guessing that it likely just made sense to themselves at the time. Why > would anyone even *try* to submit more than one thesis? Holy fuck. A > *whole* thesis. > > Based on that suspicion, I think it's just spectacle creep that we > consider that now to be a bit silly. > > Again, just guessing. >
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I'm guessing that it likely just made sense to themselves at the time. Why would anyone even *try* to submit more than one thesis? Holy fuck. A *whole* thesis. Based on that suspicion, I think it's just spectacle creep that we consider that now to be a bit silly. Again, just guessing.
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On this topic, why can’t someone receive multiple of the same degree? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 25, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Alex Smithwrote: > > On Thu, 2017-05-25 at 21:28 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote: >> I also request to be laid off Judging as I'd like to dedicate my efforts >> towards writing and nurturing a better system for these activities instead >> of hijacking CFJs. > > Noted. > > -- > ais523
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On Thu, 2017-05-25 at 21:28 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote: > I also request to be laid off Judging as I'd like to dedicate my efforts > towards writing and nurturing a better system for these activities instead > of hijacking CFJs. Noted. -- ais523
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On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Quaziewrote: > Speaking of GitHub (But more speaking of useful Officer Sites) - Aris do you > have any intention of making an unofficial proposal pool visible to the > masses? Not yet unfortunately. Currently I prepare it manually just before I post it. If I have time and it looks complicated, I post a draft a day or two early for corrections. I'm looking towards automating the preparation and just feeding in the proposals as JSON, at which point I'll revisit posting it. -Aris
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Speaking of GitHub (But more speaking of useful Officer Sites) - Aris do you have any intention of making an unofficial proposal pool visible to the masses? On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 1:20 PM Nic Evanswrote: > On 05/25/2017 03:16 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Wrong forum goddamnit lol. Reposting: > > We could even sprinkle in some analysis of the game and then the creation > of a new-comer sort of guide ("Bill Nye"/"Mythbusters"/"other flavor of > informal" style, to better ease in the complexity? Creation of an > introductory pamphlet of a sort of the game perhaps?) > > > Informal guides fall under the intended purview of the wiki, which is > currently part of the WIP github website. Speaking of, I think I'll be > making a DIS post to describe our current progress and goals in a few hours. > > As for tracking and encouraging theses, I'm personally fine with leaving > it our Herald or separating it, defering to the Herald's judgement. >
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I think that unless people have major problems, we should try it as is with some more activity and anyone wanting to help, I would be willing to try and work with you possibly through agencies and for pay. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Nic Evanswrote: > On 05/25/2017 03:16 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Wrong forum goddamnit lol. Reposting: > > We could even sprinkle in some analysis of the game and then the creation > of a new-comer sort of guide ("Bill Nye"/"Mythbusters"/"other flavor of > informal" style, to better ease in the complexity? Creation of an > introductory pamphlet of a sort of the game perhaps?) > > > Informal guides fall under the intended purview of the wiki, which is > currently part of the WIP github website. Speaking of, I think I'll be > making a DIS post to describe our current progress and goals in a few hours. > > As for tracking and encouraging theses, I'm personally fine with leaving > it our Herald or separating it, defering to the Herald's judgement. >
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On 05/25/2017 03:16 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: Wrong forum goddamnit lol. Reposting: We could even sprinkle in some analysis of the game and then the creation of a new-comer sort of guide ("Bill Nye"/"Mythbusters"/"other flavor of informal" style, to better ease in the complexity? Creation of an introductory pamphlet of a sort of the game perhaps?) Informal guides fall under the intended purview of the wiki, which is currently part of the WIP github website. Speaking of, I think I'll be making a DIS post to describe our current progress and goals in a few hours. As for tracking and encouraging theses, I'm personally fine with leaving it our Herald or separating it, defering to the Herald's judgement.
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On Thu, 25 May 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:47 PM, grok (caleb vines) >wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > wrote: > >> > >> I am already trying to do this some with the Herald and I see no need to > >> add a new office, so I would be happy to take this up informally to go > >> along > >> with the Herald. As to the funding, we could set this up through donations > >> with a pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. > > > > > > Your efforts as Herald are appreciated, but the Herald already does have a > > ton of responsibilities and you wear a lot of hats now. Plus that University > > Director role would also be well-kept by a long-tenured Player or person, > > while the Herald role doesn't necessarily need someone with years of > > experience or deep deep CFJ knowledge. I think it would be a great shift to > > distribute those responsibilities so we maintain a kind of "levels" of > > experience required for certain offices. > I disagree. The Herald is already basically a historian, in charge of > keeping track of Agoran history through titles, theises, and degrees. > I don't see why a new office in needed for this. In principle I think this fits very well into the Herald's general area; the question is really how much new stuff is being added and therefore how much work, and how you want the theme to evolve. And as a society, I think it's nice to spread employment around, *provided* we have willing hands. If a player without a job has a keen idea, it's good to spread the joy of office duties around, as long as it doesn't become dormant right away, like the Reporter did (and if it does become dormant, the Herald can always run for election for the new office). Interestingly, for a long time the responsibility was elsewhere, from R1370/13: The Rulekeepor shall retain a copy of each Final Thesis. As an example of theme-evolution, the Herald used to be the Referee-equivalent, because we considered the punishments to be a matter of lost honor, and past version of cards were implemented as "negative" patent titles. Split off because of the workload, and once split on it gradually lost its connection to "honor". Someone (I forget who?) protoed a Historian office sometime in the last several months. Speaking of workload, I remind the Herald of the Silver Quill for Jan 2017, that never happened :).
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Wrong forum goddamnit lol. Reposting: We could even sprinkle in some analysis of the game and then the creation of a new-comer sort of guide ("Bill Nye"/"Mythbusters"/"other flavor of informal" style, to better ease in the complexity? Creation of an introductory pamphlet of a sort of the game perhaps?) For example: Agora's is a crazy place you know? And it's a game of nomic, which is a big reason why it's so awesome. Join us! But what the hell is a nomic? Here's how a nomic goes down: yadda yadda... ---*--- As for the Uni Director/Herald, we could just grant both titles to the Herald and if it works, keep it,, possibly just merge it back, if not, change from there. I'd prefer to actually try both options live, since it doesn't seem particularly dangerous to do so. It's just pretty mundane tracking and coordination. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 10:13 PM, CuddleBeamwrote: > We could even sprinkle in some analysis of the game and then the creation > of a new-comer sort of guide ("Bill Nye"/"Mythbusters"/"other flavor of > informal" style, to better ease in the complexity? Creation of an > introductory pamphlet of a sort of the game perhaps?) > > For example: > > Agora's is a crazy place you know? And it's a game of nomic, which is a > big reason why it's so awesome. > > Join us! > > But what the hell is a nomic? > > Here's how a nomic goes down: yadda yadda... > > ---*--- > > As for the Uni Director/Herald, we could just grant both titles to the > Herald and if it works, keep it,, possibly just merge it back, if not, > change from there. > > I'd prefer to actually try both options live, since it doesn't seem > particularly dangerous to do so. It's just pretty mundane tracking and > coordination. >
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I support academic themeing as I think it would be an interesting change of pace. Bonus fact: 蘭亭社 makes reference to a famous literati gathering which had influenced Eastern art for centuries. 天火狐 On 25 May 2017 at 16:00, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > The Herald traditionally gives interesting historical facts, I just didn't > because I just wanted to get a report out there. > > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Aris Merchantgmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:47 PM, grok (caleb vines) >> wrote: >> > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I am already trying to do this some with the Herald and I see no need >> to >> >> add a new office, so I would be happy to take this up informally to go >> along >> >> with the Herald. As to the funding, we could set this up through >> donations >> >> with a pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. >> > >> > >> > Your efforts as Herald are appreciated, but the Herald already does >> have a >> > ton of responsibilities and you wear a lot of hats now. Plus that >> University >> > Director role would also be well-kept by a long-tenured Player or >> person, >> > while the Herald role doesn't necessarily need someone with years of >> > experience or deep deep CFJ knowledge. I think it would be a great >> shift to >> > distribute those responsibilities so we maintain a kind of "levels" of >> > experience required for certain offices. >> I disagree. The Herald is already basically a historian, in charge of >> keeping track of Agoran history through titles, theises, and degrees. >> I don't see why a new office in needed for this. >> >> -Aris >> > >
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The Herald traditionally gives interesting historical facts, I just didn't because I just wanted to get a report out there. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:47 PM, grok (caleb vines) >wrote: > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > > wrote: > >> > >> I am already trying to do this some with the Herald and I see no need to > >> add a new office, so I would be happy to take this up informally to go > along > >> with the Herald. As to the funding, we could set this up through > donations > >> with a pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. > > > > > > Your efforts as Herald are appreciated, but the Herald already does have > a > > ton of responsibilities and you wear a lot of hats now. Plus that > University > > Director role would also be well-kept by a long-tenured Player or person, > > while the Herald role doesn't necessarily need someone with years of > > experience or deep deep CFJ knowledge. I think it would be a great shift > to > > distribute those responsibilities so we maintain a kind of "levels" of > > experience required for certain offices. > I disagree. The Herald is already basically a historian, in charge of > keeping track of Agoran history through titles, theises, and degrees. > I don't see why a new office in needed for this. > > -Aris >
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On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 12:47 PM, grok (caleb vines)wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus > wrote: >> >> I am already trying to do this some with the Herald and I see no need to >> add a new office, so I would be happy to take this up informally to go along >> with the Herald. As to the funding, we could set this up through donations >> with a pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. > > > Your efforts as Herald are appreciated, but the Herald already does have a > ton of responsibilities and you wear a lot of hats now. Plus that University > Director role would also be well-kept by a long-tenured Player or person, > while the Herald role doesn't necessarily need someone with years of > experience or deep deep CFJ knowledge. I think it would be a great shift to > distribute those responsibilities so we maintain a kind of "levels" of > experience required for certain offices. I disagree. The Herald is already basically a historian, in charge of keeping track of Agoran history through titles, theises, and degrees. I don't see why a new office in needed for this. -Aris
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I am currently working on a major thesis to analyze Agoran historiography and history, which could be interesting. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:47 PM, grok (caleb vines)wrote: > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < > p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> I am already trying to do this some with the Herald and I see no need to >> add a new office, so I would be happy to take this up informally to go >> along with the Herald. As to the funding, we could set this up through >> donations with a pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. >> > > Your efforts as Herald are appreciated, but the Herald already does have a > ton of responsibilities and you wear a lot of hats now. Plus that > University Director role would also be well-kept by a long-tenured Player > or person, while the Herald role doesn't necessarily need someone with > years of experience or deep deep CFJ knowledge. I think it would be a great > shift to distribute those responsibilities so we maintain a kind of > "levels" of experience required for certain offices. > > > On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > >> On 05/25/2017 02:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: >> >> You could also make a real trust with an organization, which could even >> issue its own stamps as a reward. >> > > Beat me to that suggestion. Dang, I wanted to look smart. > > If the org could issue stamps, the education system could become an > alternate Economic win condition. And no matter who uses the University > stamps, the theses and degree papers would help consolidate some of the old > and near-lost history of Agora that we've been worried about lately. Seems > like a win-win to me. >
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On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus < p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I am already trying to do this some with the Herald and I see no need to > add a new office, so I would be happy to take this up informally to go > along with the Herald. As to the funding, we could set this up through > donations with a pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. > Your efforts as Herald are appreciated, but the Herald already does have a ton of responsibilities and you wear a lot of hats now. Plus that University Director role would also be well-kept by a long-tenured Player or person, while the Herald role doesn't necessarily need someone with years of experience or deep deep CFJ knowledge. I think it would be a great shift to distribute those responsibilities so we maintain a kind of "levels" of experience required for certain offices. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Nic Evanswrote: > On 05/25/2017 02:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > You could also make a real trust with an organization, which could even > issue its own stamps as a reward. > Beat me to that suggestion. Dang, I wanted to look smart. If the org could issue stamps, the education system could become an alternate Economic win condition. And no matter who uses the University stamps, the theses and degree papers would help consolidate some of the old and near-lost history of Agora that we've been worried about lately. Seems like a win-win to me.
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If we wanted to dive all in, I would be all for theming this in an academic manner and putting more of an emphasis on scholarship and degrees, I just don't want to do it half way. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Kerim Aydinwrote: > > > On Thu, 25 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > > Rule > > University Director: > > You know, while I think the emerging economy is great and don't want to > distract from > it, it's been a while since we've had a theme, and the economy is sort of > generic as > a theme. > > An elaborated Grants/Departments/scholarship theme is one we've never > tried, I think. > > Maybe to the extent of replacing the political power system; we've been > doing Prime > Minsters and the like *forever*. We've done - hmm - economic Oligarchs, > Kings/Revolutions, > successions, and Papal hierarchies. But not academic ones. To prevent > takeovers, we've > defined longstanding players as Senators and other classifications, but > we've never granted > Tenure. > > (of course, this would be done while taking care to promote actual > scholarship work, and > not make essays, theses, etc. subject to gamesmanship). > > > >
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On Thu, 25 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > Rule > University Director: You know, while I think the emerging economy is great and don't want to distract from it, it's been a while since we've had a theme, and the economy is sort of generic as a theme. An elaborated Grants/Departments/scholarship theme is one we've never tried, I think. Maybe to the extent of replacing the political power system; we've been doing Prime Minsters and the like *forever*. We've done - hmm - economic Oligarchs, Kings/Revolutions, successions, and Papal hierarchies. But not academic ones. To prevent takeovers, we've defined longstanding players as Senators and other classifications, but we've never granted Tenure. (of course, this would be done while taking care to promote actual scholarship work, and not make essays, theses, etc. subject to gamesmanship).
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I like that idea, but at the moment I don't understand the Organization system well enough, so if someone else could write up the charter that would be great, but if not I am happy to figure it out. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Nic Evanswrote: > On 05/25/2017 02:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > > As to the funding, we could set this up through donations with a > pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. > > > You could also make a real trust with an organization, which could even > issue its own stamps as a reward. >
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On 05/25/2017 02:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: As to the funding, we could set this up through donations with a pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. You could also make a real trust with an organization, which could even issue its own stamps as a reward.
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I am already trying to do this some with the Herald and I see no need to add a new office, so I would be happy to take this up informally to go along with the Herald. As to the funding, we could set this up through donations with a pseudo-trust set up with a pledge. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:28 PM, CuddleBeamwrote: > AKA: Foster home for deviant topics so that the CFJ system can flow more > smoothly for practical purposes. > > Also, a way to better keep our theses treasures. I'd like to improve the > state of our Agoran Library! It's a pity that its been a bit neglected and > I'd like to fix that. > > In light of recent events and how CFJs can reasonably be considered > improper grounds to discuss certain topics, and in the spirit of further > progressing the development of the library of Agoran Wisdom, I suggest > "Thesis Bounties" of a sort (along better thesis keeping and creation), to > provide a proper home for these foster issues, while at the same time > expanding our library. > > Turning a problem into profit! > > (Also I apologize for social faux passes I might've done, I understand a > bit better what most people use CFJs for now. I just, if I may use a rude > comparison, got a happy crotch explosion the size of Hiroshima when I saw > the Ambiguity CFJ and have been blinded by intellectual lust since.) > > I also request to be laid off Judging as I'd like to dedicate my efforts > towards writing and nurturing a better system for these activities instead > of hijacking CFJs. > > Onto the Protosal: > > * > > Rule > University Director: > > The University Director is an Office; its holder is responsible for > maintaining the Agoran Library, as well as mentor potential theses-writers > and coordinate the thesis creation and assessment process. > > The University Director has (certain amount of funding from Agora) to > promote activities which may further the achievements and wisdom of Agora, > such as the creation of theses according to points of interest that they > track and post in their Monthly Report (example, certain CFJs. A thesis > would be able to better answer and process those CFJs instead of the > judicial system.) > > * > > I remember there being posted some rework ideas to the education system, > perhaps this can help to those endeavors. >
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AKA: Foster home for deviant topics so that the CFJ system can flow more smoothly for practical purposes. Also, a way to better keep our theses treasures. I'd like to improve the state of our Agoran Library! It's a pity that its been a bit neglected and I'd like to fix that. In light of recent events and how CFJs can reasonably be considered improper grounds to discuss certain topics, and in the spirit of further progressing the development of the library of Agoran Wisdom, I suggest "Thesis Bounties" of a sort (along better thesis keeping and creation), to provide a proper home for these foster issues, while at the same time expanding our library. Turning a problem into profit! (Also I apologize for social faux passes I might've done, I understand a bit better what most people use CFJs for now. I just, if I may use a rude comparison, got a happy crotch explosion the size of Hiroshima when I saw the Ambiguity CFJ and have been blinded by intellectual lust since.) I also request to be laid off Judging as I'd like to dedicate my efforts towards writing and nurturing a better system for these activities instead of hijacking CFJs. Onto the Protosal: * Rule University Director: The University Director is an Office; its holder is responsible for maintaining the Agoran Library, as well as mentor potential theses-writers and coordinate the thesis creation and assessment process. The University Director has (certain amount of funding from Agora) to promote activities which may further the achievements and wisdom of Agora, such as the creation of theses according to points of interest that they track and post in their Monthly Report (example, certain CFJs. A thesis would be able to better answer and process those CFJs instead of the judicial system.) * I remember there being posted some rework ideas to the education system, perhaps this can help to those endeavors.