Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] (@Collector, @Herald, @Stonemason) Score shenanigans

2023-02-27 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion


> On Feb 27, 2023, at 3:02 PM, nix via agora-discussion 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2/19/23 18:03, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
>> I wield the score stone. (Increases my score by 3.)
> 
> I was mistaken earlier. Janet had the score stone at this point, as
> reaching was not working.
> 
> --
> nix
> Herald, Collector

I did have the score stone at this point, a few minutes after the week 
beginning transferred it to me, as reaching worked at the time, as it still 
works now. Unless i'm mistaken, the only part of reaching that wasn't 
implemented is the increase of base rockiness from the dream of gardens, which 
the rest of reaching functions without. I will note i did an unsuccessfully 
wield here, where i had forgotten i'd already done it that week: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg44074.html

But i had the score stone the whole week, and still have it, as far as i can 
tell. Janet only had it for a moment, on sunday the 19th. Hopefully everything 
should be cleared up now, as it's been quite confusing.
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snail

DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] (@Collector, @Herald, @Stonemason) Score shenanigans

2023-02-27 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 2/19/23 18:03, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> I wield the score stone. (Increases my score by 3.)

I was mistaken earlier. Janet had the score stone at this point, as
reaching was not working.

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nix
Herald, Collector




Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] (@Collector, @Herald, @Stonemason) Score shenanigans

2023-02-20 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 2/19/23 23:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote:
> CFJ: "By announcement" actions cannot specify conditions.
> Argument FOR: Nowhere in rule 478 that defines by announcement actions does
> it say conditions can be specified when performing an action.

Flagging that this went to A-D and is not a CFJ.

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nix
Herald, Collector




DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] (@Collector, @Herald, @Stonemason) Score shenanigans

2023-02-19 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 4:04 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> If i have at least 94 points and less than 100 points, I increase my score
> by 6 by paying a fee of 1 snail stamp, 1 madrid stamp, and 1 aspen stamp.
> (I believe this one goes through, and not the next one.)
> If I have at least 80 points and less than 94 points , I increase my score
> by 20 by paying a fee of 1 snail stamp, 1 madrid stamp, and 1 aspen stamp,
> 1 nix stamp, and 1 ais523 stamp.
>
> --
> snail
>

CFJ: "By announcement" actions cannot specify conditions.
Argument FOR: Nowhere in rule 478 that defines by announcement actions does
it say conditions can be specified when performing an action.

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4st


DIS: Re: BUS: [DoV] (@Collector, @Herald, @Stonemason) Score shenanigans

2023-02-19 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-02-20 at 00:48 +, nix via agora-business wrote:
> On 2/19/23 18:03, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote:
> > If i have at least 94 points and less than 100 points, I increase
> > my score
> > by 6 by paying a fee of 1 snail stamp, 1 madrid stamp, and 1 aspen
> > stamp.
> > (I believe this one goes through, and not the next one.)
> 
> If the above changes snail's score, I consent to and join a contract
> called "Condition A Worked" with the following text:

For the record, I still really hate this sort of conditional action,
and am not convinced it should be allowed – it can sometimes be used to
reduce uncertainty about the gamestate, but it has a tendency to make
it expand instead.

It is often (usually?) possible to get the same effect by taking an
action unconditionally in such a way that it will fail if the relevant
conditions aren't met (although it wouldn't have been possible for the
above score win attempt), with a Truthiness disclaimer explaining that
it will fail if you're wrong about the gamestate. I've been using that
technique in preference to conditional actions, where possible.

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ais523