Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 11:29 AM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/30/23 17:47, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to award Employee of the Year to either Janet or snail, > > subject to discussion. > I'm not convinced this works as an official intent (I'm not even sure if > it was meant to be one vs just a statement of what you plan to do). But > I also would support giving this to either person. I can make the intent > when/if you decide on a particular one. > > Very hard to choose between the two. Maybe other factors shouldn't > count, but since neither has ever won any yearly award, and snail > already looks like a lock for the Golden Glove, I'd personally lean > towards Janet for this one. > > -- > nix > Prime Minister, Herald > > Funnily, this was the award I thought I was most in the running for. I've put a lot of effort into running all the offices I've had, though I'm not sure how it would compare to Janet's effort, and if effort is even very important to consider (Janet probably runs eir offices more efficiently, since most of mine aren't automated). I'm really surprised Janet hasn't gotten this award already (I thought e had it already so I had more of a chance!), so if it comes down to the two of us e definitely deserves it more. But I thought I should mention we could both get it, if people think our efforts are of similar magnitude for the last year: "Each indicated Officer SHOULD award these titles to 1-2 persons each year". I've held 10 different offices after all, many of which were important for gameplay (Promotor, Arbitor, Notary, Registrar, and Notably Treasuror, after Trigon left (Treasuror is probably the one that took most of my time, despite being automated).) (Although dream keeper/ dreamor are the same lol) I also made the spreadsheet for assessments, which it seems like at least some people get use out of. (Thanks to nix for helping improve that!) I spent a good chunk of my lifespan on doing officework, and plan on continuing to do so (although it bordered on detrimental sometimes last year, I should probably offload some of my offices). Anyways I think we should both get it, but if not Janet should be chosen over me, and I'll support such an intent from the Herald. -- snail
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:38 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:28 AM nix via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 4/30/23 17:47, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > > I intend to award Employee of the Year to either Janet or snail, > > > subject to discussion. > > I'm not convinced this works as an official intent (I'm not even sure if > > it was meant to be one vs just a statement of what you plan to do). But > > I also would support giving this to either person. I can make the intent > > when/if you decide on a particular one. > > > > Very hard to choose between the two. Maybe other factors shouldn't > > count, but since neither has ever won any yearly award, and snail > > already looks like a lock for the Golden Glove, I'd personally lean > > towards Janet for this one. > > one other note is that (going from Murphy's list) some of snail's > offices are basically "contestmaster" in that e proposed a subgame e > wanted to run, and ran it. Nothing wrong with that (and it's great) > but it's more like thanking people for running tournaments. So > factoring that in, and seeing similar (excellent in both cases) effort > in the core offices, I'd also lean towards Janet. I'm also supporting Janet. In addition to the reasoning provided by nix and G., both of whom I find myself in agreement with, I've been impressed with eir devotion to understanding the actual state of the rules. Even if I sometimes disagree with em about which cases succeed and which fail and about the underlying standards, it is truly impressive how often e catches potential problems that others have missed. Without Janet, I doubt we would have noticed how restrictive our current precedent is on what constitutes an unambiguous rule change and how often the standard appears not to be met in practice. This is relatively minor compared to the rationales others have provided, but it is something I want to note. -Aspen
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:28 AM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 4/30/23 17:47, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to award Employee of the Year to either Janet or snail, > > subject to discussion. > I'm not convinced this works as an official intent (I'm not even sure if > it was meant to be one vs just a statement of what you plan to do). But > I also would support giving this to either person. I can make the intent > when/if you decide on a particular one. > > Very hard to choose between the two. Maybe other factors shouldn't > count, but since neither has ever won any yearly award, and snail > already looks like a lock for the Golden Glove, I'd personally lean > towards Janet for this one. one other note is that (going from Murphy's list) some of snail's offices are basically "contestmaster" in that e proposed a subgame e wanted to run, and ran it. Nothing wrong with that (and it's great) but it's more like thanking people for running tournaments. So factoring that in, and seeing similar (excellent in both cases) effort in the core offices, I'd also lean towards Janet.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On 5/2/23 11:28, nix via agora-discussion wrote: Very hard to choose between the two. Maybe other factors shouldn't count, but since neither has ever won any yearly award, and snail already looks like a lock for the Golden Glove, I'd personally lean towards Janet for this one. Another thought: Janet has put a lot of work into RTRW ideas, and while they haven't all played out successfully they have been interesting experiments that I think are worthy of consideration for eir Rulekeepor service. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald
DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On 4/30/23 17:47, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: I intend to award Employee of the Year to either Janet or snail, subject to discussion. I'm not convinced this works as an official intent (I'm not even sure if it was meant to be one vs just a statement of what you plan to do). But I also would support giving this to either person. I can make the intent when/if you decide on a particular one. Very hard to choose between the two. Maybe other factors shouldn't count, but since neither has ever won any yearly award, and snail already looks like a lock for the Golden Glove, I'd personally lean towards Janet for this one. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald
DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 3:47 PM Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > I intend to award Employee of the Year to either Janet or snail, > subject to discussion. Even if your "I intend with 2 Agoran consent everything I announced in the past 6 hours" works, I'm unsure how to think about the above statement. I *think* it's meant to be two intents (one for each possible award), but the fact that you used "either or" implies a conditional entanglement (either one or the other not both) so I'm not sure if that's an official part of the tabled actions conditions, your informal pledge to only pick one, or what. Though I totally agree from your stats that Janet and snail would be the finalists. :) -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On 4/25/23 13:44, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:57 AM nix via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 4/3/23 14:46, nix via agora-business wrote: >>> April is Awards Month. >> April is almost over. I petition the Tailor, Protomor, Arbitor, and ADoP >> to intend eir award by Friday. >> >> -- >> nix >> Prime Minister, Herald >> >> > I suggest 8826 as that is Dream of Wandering, which is still around. Not > exactly a new idea, not exactly an old one though. (I'd say I'm the awadee, > since I proposed it twice before snail's version.) > > I was going to suggest that repealing coins was impactful, but coins look > like they were dying anyways... > > The other impactful one for Agora was Unfortunately, Proposal ID 8853, by > Janet. > I do not want Silver Quill for that proposal. It was not a happy moment for the game. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:57 AM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/3/23 14:46, nix via agora-business wrote: > > April is Awards Month. > April is almost over. I petition the Tailor, Protomor, Arbitor, and ADoP > to intend eir award by Friday. > > -- > nix > Prime Minister, Herald > > I suggest 8826 as that is Dream of Wandering, which is still around. Not exactly a new idea, not exactly an old one though. (I'd say I'm the awadee, since I proposed it twice before snail's version.) I was going to suggest that repealing coins was impactful, but coins look like they were dying anyways... The other impactful one for Agora was Unfortunately, Proposal ID 8853, by Janet. -- 4st Referee and Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On 4/25/23 12:18, nix via agora-discussion wrote: On 4/25/23 12:01, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: Given how we don't have anything atm, I suggest snail for Golden Glove, based on my very naive and short experience. I saw them win both Stamps and a round of the Horse sub game recently. I'd have to double-check how many of snail's moves occurred in 2022. E is certainly in the running for this for 2023 IMO tho. Is there something that specifically occurred in 2022 you're thinking of/could point to? Ok I've taken a look. Wins in 2022: January: Trigon (Economic Takeover) February: March: April: May: June: G. (Economic Takeover) July: August: snail (Nomaoic 2) September: October: snail (Birds), snail (High Score) November: December: snail (High Score) Given this I have to agree with the assessment that snail has earned Golden Glove. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On 4/25/23 12:01, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: Given how we don't have anything atm, I suggest snail for Golden Glove, based on my very naive and short experience. I saw them win both Stamps and a round of the Horse sub game recently. I'd have to double-check how many of snail's moves occurred in 2022. E is certainly in the running for this for 2023 IMO tho. Is there something that specifically occurred in 2022 you're thinking of/could point to? -- nix Prime Minister, Herald
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On 4/3/23 18:28, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: Arbiter's Shortlist (I'll narrow it further after leaving time for discussion - please let me know if I've missed some good ones. It seems to me that 3938 and 3971 are both well reasoned and probably have impact on future play. I'd be happy to see either of them awarded. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald
DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
Given how we don't have anything atm, I suggest snail for Golden Glove, based on my very naive and short experience. I saw them win both Stamps and a round of the Horse sub game recently. On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 6:57 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/3/23 14:46, nix via agora-business wrote: > > April is Awards Month. > April is almost over. I petition the Tailor, Protomor, Arbitor, and ADoP > to intend eir award by Friday. > > -- > nix > Prime Minister, Herald > >
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 4:29 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:57 PM nix via agora-discussion > wrote: > > - Wooden Gavel, awardable by the Arbitor to the judge of a CFJ > > or series of CFJs with a strong and foundational impact on the > > judicial precedents of Agora (additional information: ID > > Numbers of the judgements). > > The qualifying CFJ judgements are CFJs 3938-4001 inclusive. > > Arbiter's Shortlist (I'll narrow it further after leaving time for > discussion - please let me know if I've missed some good ones. > > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3938 > Judge Jason gives an important reading on the minimum number of > players possible to prevent ossification. > > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3948 > Judge G. lays out the principle that different types of fora may have > different definitions for things like addressing other players. > > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3957 > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3958 > Dive deep into the forbidden arts with Judge ais523. > > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3966 > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3966 > A set of rule-caused rule changes accidentally changes the changes it > describes midway through changing. Judge G. tells us what happens. > > https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3971 > Judge secretsnail gives a nice walkthrough analysis of the "new" > tabled action rule. > > -G. > This isn't a voting situation, but I vote [3957/3958, 3966, 3971]. (barring any unlisted that may make the shortlist also) -- 4st Deputy(AKA FAKE) webmastor Uncertified Bad Idea Generator
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 12:57 PM nix via agora-discussion wrote: > - Wooden Gavel, awardable by the Arbitor to the judge of a CFJ > or series of CFJs with a strong and foundational impact on the > judicial precedents of Agora (additional information: ID > Numbers of the judgements). The qualifying CFJ judgements are CFJs 3938-4001 inclusive. Arbiter's Shortlist (I'll narrow it further after leaving time for discussion - please let me know if I've missed some good ones. https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3938 Judge Jason gives an important reading on the minimum number of players possible to prevent ossification. https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3948 Judge G. lays out the principle that different types of fora may have different definitions for things like addressing other players. https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3957 https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3958 Dive deep into the forbidden arts with Judge ais523. https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3966 https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3966 A set of rule-caused rule changes accidentally changes the changes it describes midway through changing. Judge G. tells us what happens. https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3971 Judge secretsnail gives a nice walkthrough analysis of the "new" tabled action rule. -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
Oh also, everyone else should feel welcome to submit suggestions.
On 4/3/23 14:56, nix via agora-discussion wrote:
- Silver Quill, awardable by the Promotor to the author of a
proposal of outstanding merit and influence on the game, or to
a coauthor, although e SHOULD only do so if it is generally
agreed that that coauthor contributed more to that proposal
than the person who submitted it (additional information: ID
Number of the proposal).
P8386 ("Points") and P8387 ("Basic Scoring v0.2") by G. - score has been
a dominate game for about a year now.
P8682 ("Temptation") by snail - Adds succumbing. Simple, elegant, and
impactful game contribution from a newer player.
- Wooden Gavel, awardable by the Arbitor to the judge of a CFJ
or series of CFJs with a strong and foundational impact on the
judicial precedents of Agora (additional information: ID
Numbers of the judgements).
- Golden Glove, awardable by the Tailor to the player who made
the most interesting, successful, and/or competitive series of
moves while attempting to win or get substantially ahead in
the game.
- Employee of the Year, awardable by the ADoP to the persons
who put the most persistent hard labor into keeping the game
going through the performance of Officers' duties (additional
information: offices held by the awardee during that year).
I'll take a look at these soon.
--
nix
Prime Minister, Herald, Collector
DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Awards Month (@Promotor, @Arbitor, @Tailor, @ADoP)
On 4/3/23 14:46, nix via agora-business wrote: April is Awards Month. Here is the relevant rule: Let's try that again with better formatting: Rule 2582/2 (Power=1) Annual Awards April is hereby designated Awards Month. The following Patent Titles CAN be awarded by the indicated Officers with 2 Agoran consent, provided the intent to make the awards is announced during awards month, and the award is made to commemorate acts performed in the previous Agoran year. The full name of each awarded Patent Title is [Title Below] , where is the year each act was performed. Each indicated Officer SHOULD award these titles to 1-2 persons each year, and SHOULD solicit an open call for nominations and discussion before making these awards. The Herald SHALL note any additional information indicated below as part of eir report of Patent Titles. - Silver Quill, awardable by the Promotor to the author of a proposal of outstanding merit and influence on the game, or to a coauthor, although e SHOULD only do so if it is generally agreed that that coauthor contributed more to that proposal than the person who submitted it (additional information: ID Number of the proposal). - Wooden Gavel, awardable by the Arbitor to the judge of a CFJ or series of CFJs with a strong and foundational impact on the judicial precedents of Agora (additional information: ID Numbers of the judgements). - Golden Glove, awardable by the Tailor to the player who made the most interesting, successful, and/or competitive series of moves while attempting to win or get substantially ahead in the game. - Employee of the Year, awardable by the ADoP to the persons who put the most persistent hard labor into keeping the game going through the performance of Officers' duties (additional information: offices held by the awardee during that year). -- nix Prime Minister, Herald, Collector
