Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 1:31 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/12/23 01:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting > > strength on the proposal if they would vote against it. Voting strength > > only matters when there's disagreement anyways, and if there is any, > it'll > > get turned back to ordinary by whichever side wants the voting strength > to > > be in effect. Or by any player who agrees with the "SHOULD". If everyone > > agrees to gamify it, then why not? There's really not more danger than a > > normal proposal, anyways, since this is just streamlining the process to > > what it can already be at a minimum. Even if you can come up with an > > example of how the expedited proposal could be abused, you could also > > probably just spot it and turn it ordinary. > > > This just becomes a timing race for setting the class immediately before > the voting period ends. > > -- > Janet Cobb > > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason > > Once it's turned ordinary during the voting period, it can't be turned back. "Each player CAN, with 2 support, flip an ordinary proposal's class to expedited, **provided it is in the Proposal Pool** and e has not done so yet this week." -- snail
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals
On 5/12/23 01:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting > strength on the proposal if they would vote against it. Voting strength > only matters when there's disagreement anyways, and if there is any, it'll > get turned back to ordinary by whichever side wants the voting strength to > be in effect. Or by any player who agrees with the "SHOULD". If everyone > agrees to gamify it, then why not? There's really not more danger than a > normal proposal, anyways, since this is just streamlining the process to > what it can already be at a minimum. Even if you can come up with an > example of how the expedited proposal could be abused, you could also > probably just spot it and turn it ordinary. This just becomes a timing race for setting the class immediately before the voting period ends. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 12:08 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/12/23 01:02, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > Each player CAN, with 2 support, flip an ordinary proposal's class > to > > expedited, provided it is in the Proposal Pool and e has not done so yet > > this week. Each player CAN, by announcement, flip an expedited proposal's > > class to ordinary, but SHOULD only do so if the proposal is not a bugfix, > > emergency, or time-sensitive issue, or if e sees an issue with the > proposal. > > > What's to stop two groups from just fighting over whether something is a > bugfix? > > -- > Janet Cobb > > Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason > > If there's any disagreement, it would be useless to attempt an expedited proposal, since it could be made ordinary by announcement. Any fight would just return to the normal proposal system, though distributed early as it received 2 support. And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting strength on the proposal if they would vote against it. Voting strength only matters when there's disagreement anyways, and if there is any, it'll get turned back to ordinary by whichever side wants the voting strength to be in effect. Or by any player who agrees with the "SHOULD". If everyone agrees to gamify it, then why not? There's really not more danger than a normal proposal, anyways, since this is just streamlining the process to what it can already be at a minimum. Even if you can come up with an example of how the expedited proposal could be abused, you could also probably just spot it and turn it ordinary. -- snail
DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals
On 5/12/23 01:02, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > Proposals created since the enactment of this rule have a secured > untracked Class switch with possible values ordinary (the default), > expedited, and democratic. Also, this opens up new voting strength games, since expedited proposals wouldn't have most voting strength modifications applied. A mere SHOULD might not be enough to stop that. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals
On 5/12/23 01:02, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > Each player CAN, with 2 support, flip an ordinary proposal's class to > expedited, provided it is in the Proposal Pool and e has not done so yet > this week. Each player CAN, by announcement, flip an expedited proposal's > class to ordinary, but SHOULD only do so if the proposal is not a bugfix, > emergency, or time-sensitive issue, or if e sees an issue with the proposal. What's to stop two groups from just fighting over whether something is a bugfix? -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
