DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] February zombie auction status
twg wrote:
Gaelan wrote:
Crap, Jason’s bid came in as I was writing this message. I point my
finger at myself for violating rule 2550/1: {A person SHALL NOT bid on
an Auction if it would be impossible for em to pay that amount at the
conclusion of the Auction.}
Unless I'm misreading this, it's perfectly possible that you might pay
52 coins at the end of the auction. For example, Murphy might give you
the extra coins you need.
I declare this Finger Pointing to be Shenanigans.
Proto: Clarify overbidding
Amend Rule 2550 (Bidding) by replacing this text:
A person SHALL NOT bid on an Auction if it would be impossible for
em to pay that amount at the conclusion of the Auction.
with this text:
A person SHALL NOT bid on an Auction if e does not own enough of
the Auction's currency to pay the amount specified in the bid, and
the bid does not clearly state that e does not.
[Replaces future basis with present basis, also makes it legal to bid
beyond your current holdings if you label it as such; others then know
to consider whether you're reasonably likely to acquire the rest of the
needed funds by auction end.]
Also, R2551 contains "the a list" but I think someone may have already
cleaned that one?
DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] February zombie auction status
On Sun, 9 Feb 2020 at 19:04, Gaelan Steele via agora-business
wrote:
> The way zombie auctions work, you can’t bid for yourself—you just bid on the
> auction in general, and then whoever has the highest bid gets Trigon, whoever
> has the second highest gets Nch, whoever has the third highest gets you, and
> so on. So if you want to win yourself, you’ll have to make sure you stay
> exactly in third place.
>
> CFJ: { CuddleBeam bid in an auction in the quoted message. }
>
> Arguments: {
> I could imagine the message being parsed two ways:
>
> A: I bid 15 coins in the action, for the purpose of winning myself
> B: I bid 15 coins in the [nonexistent] auction for myself
>
> If it’s A, CuddleBeam’s bid was probably EFFECTIVE: we include non-normative
> commentary in BUS messages all the time, and we consider actions EFFECTIVE
> even when they obviously don’t do what the actor was trying to do.
>
> If it’s B, it’s ineffective, because it’s trying to bid in a nonexistent
> auction.
> }
>
> Gaelan
Gratuitous: FALSE, since Alexis pointed out in this same thread that
this auction was probably never initiated. (This argument assumes
zombie auctions don't work, which I think Alexis is planning to find
soon in eir judgement of CFJ 3793.)
- Falsifian
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] February zombie auction status
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 21:15, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 12:17, James Cook via agora-business > wrote: > > > > This is an unofficial report on the ongoing zombie auction. All times UTC. > > > > Note: it is not clear that zombie auctions work. It is possible the > > winners will not receive their lots but will still be required to pay. > > The judgement of CFJ 3793 is expected to address this. > > R2549 seems to prevent auction initiation if the lots can't be > transferred. I believe that auctions have simply been ineffective. > > -Alexis Thanks for pointing that out. I will continue to go through the motions until you judge whether auctions work (assuming you're planning to set a precedent beyond Gaelan). - Falsifian
DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] February zombie auction status
On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 12:17, James Cook via agora-business wrote: > > This is an unofficial report on the ongoing zombie auction. All times UTC. > > Note: it is not clear that zombie auctions work. It is possible the > winners will not receive their lots but will still be required to pay. > The judgement of CFJ 3793 is expected to address this. R2549 seems to prevent auction initiation if the lots can't be transferred. I believe that auctions have simply been ineffective. -Alexis
