Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

[Josh T]

I actually messed up in one place: "certain" begins with an s sound so
shouldn't have been included. I'm glad you enjoyed it regardless though.

天火狐

On 9 September 2017 at 11:48, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

>
> > On Sep 9, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> >
> > Oh well, I had fun writing my blurb. It was kind of hard to not use
> common words like "the" or "of".
> >
> > 天火狐
>
> I rather liked your blurb. You picked an interesting writing challenge to
> riff on.
>
> Thank you for writing it.
>
> -o
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
> I'm not entirely sure how many shinies I have right now but I believe I 
> should have 66 (Welcome Package [50] + Gaelan Transfer [10] + o Transfer [7] 
> - Stamp Purchase [1] = 66)
> 
> If I have 66 shinies right now, I pledge to give my Stamp to the first player 
> who sends me 5 shinies.

You made no pledge. The stamp value was not 1 at that time.

-o



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[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 9, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> 
> Oh well, I had fun writing my blurb. It was kind of hard to not use common 
> words like "the" or "of".
> 
> 天火狐

I rather liked your blurb. You picked an interesting writing challenge to riff 
on.

Thank you for writing it.

-o



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DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

[Josh T]

Oh well, I had fun writing my blurb. It was kind of hard to not use common
words like "the" or "of".

天火狐

On 9 September 2017 at 03:20, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

>
> > On Sep 2, 2017, at 12:02 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> >
> > As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate
> auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
>
> This auction ended at 12:02 AM, Eastern Daylight Time, on September 9th
> 2017. The following bids were placed:
>
> DatePlaced by   sh.
> ---
> 2 Sep   o 1
> 2 Sep   nichdel  11
> 2 Sep   Quazie   12
> 2 Sep   P.S.S.   13
> 2 Sep   G.   15
> 2 Sep   天火狐-2
> 2 Sep   nichdel  15
> 2 Sep   Quazie   16
> 2 Sep   CuddleBeam   50
> 7 Sep   o61
> 7 Sep   CuddleBeam   62
> 9 Sep   o67
> 9 Sep   CuddleBeam   68
>
> All bids were placed on the issuing player’s own behalf; no Organization
> bids were placed.
>
> As there is exactly one highest bid, CuddleBeam wins this auction. At any
> time until 12:02 AM, EDT, on September 16th, 2017, while Agora owns the
> estate of Cagliostro, e may pay Agora 68 Shinies to transfer that estate to
> emself, by announcement.
>
> In satisfaction of my pledge, I pay CuddleBeam 7 sh.. Eir blurb will
> appear in a future Surveyors’ report.
>
> -o
>
>

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[Cuddle Beam]

I bid 68, same blurb as I posted before

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 3:01 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

> Ah, good catch.
>
> I bid 67 shinies on this auction. My blurb shall be
>
> My blurb:
>
> {{{
> Cagliostro is the bread basket of the Agoran realm. Wherever the eye may
> roam, the land rolls in gentle hills and glows with the gold of wheat and
> the green of unripe corn. There is little adventure to find here, but much
> peace.
>
> Visitors to the area are especially encouraged to visit the pubs of Port
> Hugo, where the witbeer - made of and named for the golden wheats of the
> province - is plentiful and crisp. Those of more agrarian tastes should
> visit in the fall, when villages throughout the estate throw festivals and
> parties. A Cagliostrian corn maze is a thing of wonder, covering most of an
> acre.
> }}}
>
> -o
>
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
> I bid 62 shinies on the auction, my blurb shall be the same as I posted
> before.
>
> I have to agree with that japanese culture is much more sexist than
> western but I'm just a huge fan of horrible anime : P
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
>> I bid 62 shinies on the auction, my blurb shall be the same as I posted
>> before.
>>
>> I have to agree with that japanese culture is much more sexist than
>> western but I'm just a huge fan of horrible anime : P
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 4:41 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 2, 2017, at 12:02 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate
>>> auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
>>> >
>>> > For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491 (“Estate
>>> Auctions”). In summary:
>>> >
>>> > * Bids may only be placed by announcement.
>>> > * Players may bid on their own behalf, to win the Estate for
>>> themselves.
>>> > * Players may bid on behalf of any Organization whose charter makes
>>> such a bid Appropriate, to win the Estate for that Organization.
>>> >
>>> > The auction will end in exactly seven days.
>>> >
>>> > As is my custom, I pledge as follows:
>>> >
>>> > * If there is exactly one winning bid, and it includes a blurb
>>> describing the region of Cagliostro, of at least 70 words, I will include
>>> that blurb in at least one future Surveyor’s report if it is possible for
>>> me to do so.
>>> >
>>> > * If there is exactly one winning bid, I will pay Shinies to the
>>> player who made the bid. The amount paid will be the lesser of 10% the
>>> winning bid, rounded up, or 50 Shinies. I will do so immediately after
>>> resolving the auction.
>>> >
>>> > I bid 1 Shiny on this auction.
>>>
>>> I bid 61 shinies on this auction.
>>>
>>> My blurb:
>>>
>>> {{{
>>> Cagliostro is the bread basket of the Agoran realm. Wherever the
>>> eye may roam, the land rolls in gentle hills and glows with the gold of
>>> wheat and the green of unripe corn. There is little adventure to find here,
>>> but much peace.
>>>
>>> Visitors to the area are especially encouraged to visit the pubs
>>> of Port Hugo, where the witbeer - made of and named for the golden wheats
>>> of the province - is plentiful and crisp. Those of more agrarian tastes
>>> should visit in the fall, when villages throughout the estate throw
>>> festivals and parties. A Cagliostrian corn maze is a thing of wonder,
>>> covering most of an acre.
>>> }}}
>>>
>>> I was all set to reuse CuddleBeam’s blurb, attempted scam and all, and
>>> to pay em for the privilege so e wouldn’t feel slighted that I locked em
>>> out, but I don’t feel comfortable helping promote the tired and extremely
>>> sexist “busty catgirl cafe” trope.
>>>
>>> -o
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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[Cuddle Beam]

I bid 62 shinies on the auction, my blurb shall be the same as I posted
before.

I have to agree with that japanese culture is much more sexist than western
but I'm just a huge fan of horrible anime : P

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 4:41 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

>
> > On Sep 2, 2017, at 12:02 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> >
> > As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate
> auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
> >
> > For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491 (“Estate
> Auctions”). In summary:
> >
> > * Bids may only be placed by announcement.
> > * Players may bid on their own behalf, to win the Estate for themselves.
> > * Players may bid on behalf of any Organization whose charter makes such
> a bid Appropriate, to win the Estate for that Organization.
> >
> > The auction will end in exactly seven days.
> >
> > As is my custom, I pledge as follows:
> >
> > * If there is exactly one winning bid, and it includes a blurb
> describing the region of Cagliostro, of at least 70 words, I will include
> that blurb in at least one future Surveyor’s report if it is possible for
> me to do so.
> >
> > * If there is exactly one winning bid, I will pay Shinies to the player
> who made the bid. The amount paid will be the lesser of 10% the winning
> bid, rounded up, or 50 Shinies. I will do so immediately after resolving
> the auction.
> >
> > I bid 1 Shiny on this auction.
>
> I bid 61 shinies on this auction.
>
> My blurb:
>
> {{{
> Cagliostro is the bread basket of the Agoran realm. Wherever the
> eye may roam, the land rolls in gentle hills and glows with the gold of
> wheat and the green of unripe corn. There is little adventure to find here,
> but much peace.
>
> Visitors to the area are especially encouraged to visit the pubs
> of Port Hugo, where the witbeer - made of and named for the golden wheats
> of the province - is plentiful and crisp. Those of more agrarian tastes
> should visit in the fall, when villages throughout the estate throw
> festivals and parties. A Cagliostrian corn maze is a thing of wonder,
> covering most of an acre.
> }}}
>
> I was all set to reuse CuddleBeam’s blurb, attempted scam and all, and to
> pay em for the privilege so e wouldn’t feel slighted that I locked em out,
> but I don’t feel comfortable helping promote the tired and extremely sexist
> “busty catgirl cafe” trope.
>
> -o
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] September Estate Auction

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I was bidding because at the time it was cheap.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
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> On Sep 5, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
>> 
>> As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate auction, 
>> for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
> 
> Now that bidding has calmed down a bit, which of the several things that are 
> different is the one that motivated you to bid, if you did not bid 
> previously? Are they things we can keep doing?
> 
> -o
> 



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[Cuddle Beam]

Tbh in this case my motivation to want it was other people wanting it lol.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:01 AM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:

>
> > On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> >
> > As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate
> auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
>
> Now that bidding has calmed down a bit, which of the several things that
> are different is the one that motivated you to bid, if you did not bid
> previously? Are they things we can keep doing?
>
> -o
>
>

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[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Owen Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate auction, 
> for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.

Now that bidding has calmed down a bit, which of the several things that are 
different is the one that motivated you to bid, if you did not bid previously? 
Are they things we can keep doing?

-o



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[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 2, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/02/17 18:28, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>> Might as well:
>> 
>> I bid 50 Shinies.
>> 
>> My blurb is the following between the lines of asterisks:
>> 
>> **
>> 
>> Calgiostro is a giant internet café tended by busty anime catgirls in maid 
>> costumes. Its internet never lags, you always get queued with amazing 
>> teammates and when you play online cardgames you always topdeck the card you 
>> need. Legend says this place has been blessed by RNGesus himself.
>> 
>> -I pay Cuddlebeam an amount of shinies equal to all of the current shinies 
>> that I have.
>> 
>> -I pledge to transfer to Cuddlebeam any amount of shinies that I gain
>> 
>> -I pledge to always do what Cuddlebeam commands me to, if such a command has 
>> been ordered via agora-discussion.
>> 
>> **
> 
> FTR this would fail to have any effect. It's a variant of ISIDTID. Text does 
> not necessarily perform actions, especially when it's explicitly denoted as 
> flavor.

As things stand, I’ll happily put this text into the reports, as promised, but 
I agree with nichdel: absent some new rules, the text is just text, and would 
not bind me to do anything.

I did foresee this, and if there’s strong consensus that I’d have to break 
_some_ pledge to avoid penury and slavery, I’d rather break my pledge to 
include this in the reports.

-o



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[Owen Jacobson]

On Sep 2, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:

> On 09/02/17 18:12, Nic Evans wrote:
> 
>> I bid 15 shinies.
> 
> Since this is already irrelevant and I don't intend to continue to be
> annoying about it I'll just mention my working theory:
> 
> 1) A matched bid stops the highest bidder from being able to claim the
> estate. This seems pretty certain from the wording in the rule: "[...]
> if there is a single highest bid on that auction, the player or
> Organization that placed that bid can cause Agora to transfer the
> auctioned Estate to emself [...]" (R2491)
> 
> 2) More interestingly, a matched bid may mean that both players receive
> a Yellow Card, depending on interpretation of "If the highest bidder
> does not do so in a timely fashion, the Surveyor shall issue the player
> who submitted the bid a Yellow Card." (R2491)

I believe the first is correct, and both proposals I have in flight that affect 
the Estate Auctions rule correct it by making only monotonically increasing 
bids valid.

The second might take a CFJ to sort out. The use of the definite article there 
might mean that this only applies when there is exactly a single highest bidder 
- and that was my intention when writing it. However, it’s badly phrased, and I 
wouldn’t object strongly to a CFJ that found your interpretation to be correct.

-o



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[Nic Evans]

On 09/02/17 18:28, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> Might as well:
>
> I bid 50 Shinies.
>
> My blurb is the following between the lines of asterisks:
>
> **
>
> Calgiostro is a giant internet café tended by busty anime catgirls in
> maid costumes. Its internet never lags, you always get queued with
> amazing teammates and when you play online cardgames you always
> topdeck the card you need. Legend says this place has been blessed by
> RNGesus himself.
>
> -I pay Cuddlebeam an amount of shinies equal to all of the current
> shinies that I have.
>
> -I pledge to transfer to Cuddlebeam any amount of shinies that I gain
>
> -I pledge to always do what Cuddlebeam commands me to, if such a
> command has been ordered via agora-discussion.
>
> **

FTR this would fail to have any effect. It's a variant of ISIDTID. Text
does not necessarily perform actions, especially when it's explicitly
denoted as flavor.

>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Quazie  > wrote:
>
> I bid 16 shinies
>
>
> The Cagliostro what a place - a lovely little shithole passed from
> scammer to slum lord, and it has finally ended up here: agoran
> public housing. It's not much, but there's a roof, and it mostly
> doesn't leak, it's got walls, and they mostly don't have mice
> living in them - it's got beds, and some of them don't have bed
> bugs. But you're out on your luck, so this will have to do.
>
> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 16:08 Nic Evans  > wrote:
>
> I bid 15 shinies.
>
>
> On 09/02/17 16:26, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> > I bid 15 shinies.
> >
> > Cagliostro is a warren of narrow windy streets running
> through tall
> > close-packed apartments; it's been the collection point for
> new arrivals
> > in the port since the city was a small landing point, with
> cheap spaces
> > and a multitude of languages heard across the alleyways; the
> smell is a
> > blend of cooking pots from a dozen cuisines that is just on
> the correct
> > side of being welcoming rather than rank.  The streets
> confuse the
> > unfamiliar traveler, but wander long enough and you'll find
> yourself
> > coming to a central square; and your eyes won't help but be
> drawn
> > the Magician's Inn, a ramshackle building with layers upon
> layer of
> > colorful but flaking paint, wherein it is said that if you
> can't find
> > someone to tell you a specific story, that story hasn't been
> invented yet.
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >
> >> I bid 13 shinies.
> >> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 00:59 Quazie  > wrote:
> >>       I bid 12 shinies.
> >>
> >> The Cagliostro what a place - a lovely little shithole
> passed from scammer to slum lord, and it has finally ehard up
> here: agoran public housing.  It's not much, but there's a
> roof, and it mostly
> >> doesn't leak, it's got walls, and they mostly don't have
> mice living  in them - it's got beds, and some of them don't
>  have bed bugs.  But you're out on your luck, so this will
> have to do.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 21:09 Nicholas Evans
> > wrote:
> >>       I bid 11 shinies. I'll write a blurb later.
> >>
> >> On Sep 1, 2017 11:02 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  > wrote:
> >>       As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the
> September estate auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
> >>
> >>       For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491
> (“Estate Auctions”). In summary:
> >>
> >>       * Bids may only be placed by announcement.
> >>       * Players may bid on their own behalf, to win the
> Estate for themselves.
> >>       * Players may bid on behalf of any Organization whose
> charter makes such a bid Appropriate, to win the Estate for
> that Organization.
> >>
> >>       The auction will end in exactly seven days.
> >>
> >>       As is my custom, I pledge as follows:
> >>
> >>       * If there is exactly one winning bid, and it
> includes a blurb describing the region of Cagliostro, of at
> least 70 words, I will include that blurb in at least one future
> >>       Surveyor’s report if it is possible for me to do so.
> >>
> >>       * If there is exactly one winning bid, I will pay
> 

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[Nic Evans]

On 09/02/17 18:12, Nic Evans wrote:
> I bid 15 shinies.

Since this is already irrelevant and I don't intend to continue to be
annoying about it I'll just mention my working theory:

1) A matched bid stops the highest bidder from being able to claim the
estate. This seems pretty certain from the wording in the rule: "[...]
if there is a single highest bid on that auction, the player or
Organization that placed that bid can cause Agora to transfer the
auctioned Estate to emself [...]" (R2491)

2) More interestingly, a matched bid may mean that both players receive
a Yellow Card, depending on interpretation of "If the highest bidder
does not do so in a timely fashion, the Surveyor shall issue the player
who submitted the bid a Yellow Card." (R2491)

>
>
> On 09/02/17 16:26, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> I bid 15 shinies.
>>
>> Cagliostro is a warren of narrow windy streets running through tall
>> close-packed apartments; it's been the collection point for new arrivals
>> in the port since the city was a small landing point, with cheap spaces
>> and a multitude of languages heard across the alleyways; the smell is a
>> blend of cooking pots from a dozen cuisines that is just on the correct
>> side of being welcoming rather than rank.  The streets confuse the 
>> unfamiliar traveler, but wander long enough and you'll find yourself
>> coming to a central square; and your eyes won't help but be drawn
>> the Magician's Inn, a ramshackle building with layers upon layer of
>> colorful but flaking paint, wherein it is said that if you can't find
>> someone to tell you a specific story, that story hasn't been invented yet.
>>
>> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>
>>> I bid 13 shinies.
>>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 00:59 Quazie  wrote:
>>>   I bid 12 shinies.
>>>
>>> The Cagliostro what a place - a lovely little shithole passed from scammer 
>>> to slum lord, and it has finally ehard up here: agoran public housing.  
>>> It's not much, but there's a roof, and it mostly
>>> doesn't leak, it's got walls, and they mostly don't have mice living  in 
>>> them - it's got beds, and some of them don't  have bed bugs.  But you're 
>>> out on your luck, so this will have to do.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 21:09 Nicholas Evans  wrote:
>>>   I bid 11 shinies. I'll write a blurb later.
>>>
>>> On Sep 1, 2017 11:02 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  wrote:
>>>   As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate 
>>> auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
>>>
>>>   For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491 (“Estate 
>>> Auctions”). In summary:
>>>
>>>   * Bids may only be placed by announcement.
>>>   * Players may bid on their own behalf, to win the Estate for 
>>> themselves.
>>>   * Players may bid on behalf of any Organization whose charter makes 
>>> such a bid Appropriate, to win the Estate for that Organization.
>>>
>>>   The auction will end in exactly seven days.
>>>
>>>   As is my custom, I pledge as follows:
>>>
>>>   * If there is exactly one winning bid, and it includes a blurb 
>>> describing the region of Cagliostro, of at least 70 words, I will include 
>>> that blurb in at least one future
>>>   Surveyor’s report if it is possible for me to do so.
>>>
>>>   * If there is exactly one winning bid, I will pay Shinies to the 
>>> player who made the bid. The amount paid will be the lesser of 10% the 
>>> winning bid, rounded up, or 50 Shinies. I
>>>   will do so immediately after resolving the auction.
>>>
>>>   I bid 1 Shiny on this auction.
>>>
>>>   -o
>>>
>>>
>>>
>




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[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I bid 13 shinies.
On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 00:59 Quazie  wrote:

> I bid 12 shinies.
>
> The Cagliostro what a place - a lovely little shithole passed from scammer
> to slum lord, and it has finally ehard up here: agoran public housing.
> It's not much, but there's a roof, and it mostly doesn't leak, it's got
> walls, and they mostly don't have mice living  in them - it's got beds, and
> some of them don't  have bed bugs.  But you're out on your luck, so this
> will have to do.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 21:09 Nicholas Evans  wrote:
>
>> I bid 11 shinies. I'll write a blurb later.
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2017 11:02 PM, "Owen Jacobson"  wrote:
>>
>>> As Surveyor, it is my pleasure to annouce that the September estate
>>> auction, for the estate of Cagliostro, has begun.
>>>
>>> For those of you who are new, please review Rule 2491 (“Estate
>>> Auctions”). In summary:
>>>
>>> * Bids may only be placed by announcement.
>>> * Players may bid on their own behalf, to win the Estate for themselves.
>>> * Players may bid on behalf of any Organization whose charter makes such
>>> a bid Appropriate, to win the Estate for that Organization.
>>>
>>> The auction will end in exactly seven days.
>>>
>>> As is my custom, I pledge as follows:
>>>
>>> * If there is exactly one winning bid, and it includes a blurb
>>> describing the region of Cagliostro, of at least 70 words, I will include
>>> that blurb in at least one future Surveyor’s report if it is possible for
>>> me to do so.
>>>
>>> * If there is exactly one winning bid, I will pay Shinies to the player
>>> who made the bid. The amount paid will be the lesser of 10% the winning
>>> bid, rounded up, or 50 Shinies. I will do so immediately after resolving
>>> the auction.
>>>
>>> I bid 1 Shiny on this auction.
>>>
>>> -o
>>>
>>