DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to Register
Hello,
> Under what name do you wish to be known?
Any names listed in set [1] are acceptable. Please note that the listed names
are _not_ case-insensitive — they are all fully lower-cased, even when they
appear in contexts which would typically require upper-casing or title-casing,
such as at the beginning of a sentence.
[1] {
kotnen
mqyhlkahu
truffle
}
After all, you can cut the flowers, but the weather is everywhere.
DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register
On 1/28/24 17:24, Maria Carmela Del Gaudio via agora-business wrote: > Hello, > I would like to register, my preferred name is mcdg. > Many thanks. Welcome! By the way, for all new players (or anyone that wants a refresher?), I've been working on a new beginner's guide. You can see the rough draft here: https://gist.github.com/nixnull/7926bf2363d9076af6605c10d3eced02 I hope it's useful, and I would love any feedback to make it better! -- nix
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 18:49 -0500, blob via agora-discussion wrote: > I, being the new player, totally agree with this. I would be more than > willing to put some sort of marker in front of my name, as others in the > past have done. How should I go about changing my name--or how have others > in the past done it? Agora doesn't have an "official" concept of names of players: all that's required of, e.g. the Registrar, is to track "information sufficient to identify [...] each player". So a player's name is, in effect, the sequence of letters that other players generally use when referring to them, and to change it, you just need to persuade other players to refer to you in a certain way. Historically, formatting a name change as an action by announcement, i.e. "I change my name to …", has normally been enough to cause other players to start using the new name (except in cases where players attempted to change their name so often that the other players lost track), but there's no actual formal process. Typically Agorans are willing to refer to other players in the way they'd like to be referred to, within reason (which is why there's a tradition of asking new players for their preferred name, even though that isn't required by the rules), so they're generally happy to comply with reasonable requests to use a different name. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:36 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM juan via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Note that the "free choice" is qualified by the need to "pick em out > in the full range of Agoran contexts". The Scroll, in particular, is > a living document, and the original Blob has several entries - it > would be equally rude to the original Blob to change eir name notation > in the Scroll and other historical documents, to disambiguate em from > an entirely new player. So we need to balance that, hopefully in a > friendly way. I'll also note that the original Blob turned up for > Agora's 20th anniversary (and earned an Agora XX badge), and there's a > slight change with the 30th coming up... > > Of course, the easiest way to come to consensus (and the nicest, least > rude solution) is to go by what the person wants. But in the case > where it produces a confusing nickname, we can ask (very nicely) the > new player to choose something that's unambiguous[0]. There's been > several of those sorts of conversations with new players over the > years, and in all cases so far the new player has voluntarily modified > their nickname. But if e fails to do that, each officer would need to > come to their own conclusion which could get a little messy. > I, being the new player, totally agree with this. I would be more than willing to put some sort of marker in front of my name, as others in the past have done. How should I go about changing my name--or how have others in the past done it?
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM juan via agora-discussion wrote: > > Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-17 23:21]: > > On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote: > > > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: > > >> I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is > > >> blob. Thank you! > > > Welcome! I grant blob a Welcome Package. This is interesting because > > > this might be the first time we have a new player with the same name as > > > a previous player. I'm not sure how best to handle it in historical > > > documents. Curious what people think? > > > > > > > For more ephemeral reports, I don't think there's a problem. My concerns > > are the ruleset and the Registrar's monthly, where I would strongly > > object to using the same name to refer to distinct persons. > > I think this is kind of rude… People are free to choose their own names, > at least in Agora, and I believe its an important principle. Players are not wholly "free to choose their own" Agoran nicknames. It comes down to ambiguity in reports - Officers need to note the person in some way that passes a CFJ/COE test of unambiguity, which means have something unique for every different person. Outside of the reports (like for by announcement actions) if a shortened version of a nickname (a nickname nickname?) is the same as a former player, the chance of ambiguity is low, so that might be useable. A key finding on nicknames: CFJ 1361 finding by Judge Steve: "a nickname is a name that a Player chooses for emself, that can be reliably used to pick em out in the full range of Agoran contexts. " Note that the "free choice" is qualified by the need to "pick em out in the full range of Agoran contexts". The Scroll, in particular, is a living document, and the original Blob has several entries - it would be equally rude to the original Blob to change eir name notation in the Scroll and other historical documents, to disambiguate em from an entirely new player. So we need to balance that, hopefully in a friendly way. I'll also note that the original Blob turned up for Agora's 20th anniversary (and earned an Agora XX badge), and there's a slight change with the 30th coming up... Of course, the easiest way to come to consensus (and the nicest, least rude solution) is to go by what the person wants. But in the case where it produces a confusing nickname, we can ask (very nicely) the new player to choose something that's unambiguous[0]. There's been several of those sorts of conversations with new players over the years, and in all cases so far the new player has voluntarily modified their nickname. But if e fails to do that, each officer would need to come to their own conclusion which could get a little messy. A couple other CFJs where free nickname-choosing was "blocked": CFJ 1703, judge root: In spite of CFJ 1361, comex's attempt to change eir nickname to "Murphy" failed (Murphy was a current player, not a former player), because it did not allow for reliable disambiguation. CFJ 3467, judge G.: when a player selected 天火狐 as eir nickname, it was reasonable/official to use the transliteration Tenhigitsune as the name in report (note that during deliberations, the transliteration was made with the player's consent). For a while, officers varied in whether they used 天火狐 or Tenhigitsune, and it was generally considered that either worked. [0] For a while, we actually had some tighter rules on it, including "a player SHALL NOT choose a confusing nickname" and "a player SHALL sign every public message with eir nickname". This being Agora, this was seen as thoughtcrime and caused a lot of CFJs as people purposefully played the Bendyboot Crumpetpatch game of seeing how far they could twist their nicknames without criming. And of course, for new players saying "you just committed a crime because you didn't know about a player with your nickname ten years ago" was ... not really welcoming. Fun times! Citations: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?1361 https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?1703 https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3467 -G.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora
On 5/18/23 06:44, juan via agora-discussion wrote:
I think this is kind of rude… People are free to choose their own names,
at least in Agora, and I believe its an important principle.
The problem seems to stem from the way the rules define persons regardless
of their interactions with game state. It's the same issue as when we
suspect two alleged players are actually the same person. I know we must
enforce the at-most-one-player-per-person mechanic, but I also wish
we had better ways of identifying players. Perhaps a combo of name and
email address? With possibilities of announcing changes or aliases?
I agree with this in principle. I suppose a notation could be added to
registrar monthly and scroll that indicates something like blob{0} and
blob{1} are different players. That seems like a fairly clean solution
to that part.
But as ais523 mentioned, this could be more of an issue with just
regular actions that could reasonably refer to either player. In this
case that seems unlikely because of the timespan between the two
players, but it could be an issue if there was a closer timeline, or
overlap.
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nix
Prime Minister, Herald
DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora
On Wed, 2023-05-17 at 19:13 -0500, nix via agora-business wrote: > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: > > I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is > > blob. Thank you! > > Welcome! I grant blob a Welcome Package. This is interesting because > this might be the first time we have a new player with the same name as > a previous player. I'm not sure how best to handle it in historical > documents. Curious what people think? I vaguely remember that precedent is along the lines of "a player's name in Agora is the name that other players use to refer to em". If a player attempts to select an ambiguous nickname, the resulting name can't be used to unambiguously refer to em, so it doesn't work as a name. If someone posted "Blob" to the mailing lists without clarification, which person would we take it as referring to? I think it would depend on context, being an unambiguous reference to the new player in some contexts, and being ambiguous in others. As such, I think that anyone who has a duty to identify a *player* can just use "Blob" unambiguously, whereas anyone who has a duty to identify a *person* must clarify which "Blob" e is talking about. Historical documents like the Registrar's and Herald's reports thus most likely need footnotes to disambiguate. -- ais523
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora
Janet Cobb via agora-discussion [2023-05-17 23:21]: > On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote: > > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: > >> I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is > >> blob. Thank you! > > Welcome! I grant blob a Welcome Package. This is interesting because > > this might be the first time we have a new player with the same name as > > a previous player. I'm not sure how best to handle it in historical > > documents. Curious what people think? > > > > For more ephemeral reports, I don't think there's a problem. My concerns > are the ruleset and the Registrar's monthly, where I would strongly > object to using the same name to refer to distinct persons. I think this is kind of rude… People are free to choose their own names, at least in Agora, and I believe its an important principle. The problem seems to stem from the way the rules define persons regardless of their interactions with game state. It's the same issue as when we suspect two alleged players are actually the same person. I know we must enforce the at-most-one-player-per-person mechanic, but I also wish we had better ways of identifying players. Perhaps a combo of name and email address? With possibilities of announcing changes or aliases? -- juan Registrar
DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register to Agora
On 5/17/23 20:13, nix via agora-business wrote: > On 5/17/23 19:10, Christian Arguinzoni via agora-business wrote: >> I would like to register for the nomic game Agora. My preferred name is >> blob. Thank you! > Welcome! I grant blob a Welcome Package. This is interesting because > this might be the first time we have a new player with the same name as > a previous player. I'm not sure how best to handle it in historical > documents. Curious what people think? > For more ephemeral reports, I don't think there's a problem. My concerns are the ruleset and the Registrar's monthly, where I would strongly object to using the same name to refer to distinct persons. -- Janet Cobb Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 04:43:10PM +, unication Smith via agora-business wrote: > I wish to register under the alias “Ubercrow”. Welcome to Agora! -- Falsifian
DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to register
On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:50 AM, Chris Blair wrote:
I, harblcat, hereby announce my registration.
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I hope to have fun.
Welcome to the game, harblcat!
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