Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-12 Thread Alex Smith
--- On Tue, 11/5/10, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 coppro wrote:
  I sit up.
 ITYM I stand up.
Last I checked, players couldn't stand by announcement;
has that changed? (However, given that we're apparently
in an emergency session, it's unlikely to make much of a
difference given that the CFJ judging pool is so small;
CFJs being shut down by coups is probably an unintended
consequence of the rules, unless it was worked in there
deliberately.)

-- 
ais523






Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-12 Thread Sean Hunt
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Alex Smith
callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 --- On Tue, 11/5/10, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote:
 coppro wrote:
  I sit up.
 ITYM I stand up.
 Last I checked, players couldn't stand by announcement;
 has that changed? (However, given that we're apparently
 in an emergency session, it's unlikely to make much of a
 difference given that the CFJ judging pool is so small;
 CFJs being shut down by coups is probably an unintended
 consequence of the rules, unless it was worked in there
 deliberately.)

 --
 ais523

You can stand up if you judge a disinterested case in the same message.

-coppro


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-12 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can stand up if you judge a disinterested case in the same message.

Which means that the CotC can pretty much judge every case.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote:

 On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can stand up if you judge a disinterested case in the same message.
 
 Which means that the CotC can pretty much judge every case.

Until people start specifying a non-zero interest index and/or
submitting cases to the Justiciar.


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin

On Wed, 12 May 2010, Geoffrey Spear wrote:
 On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
 You can stand up if you judge a disinterested case in the same message.

 Which means that the CotC can pretty much judge every case.

If e abuses it we can submit our cases as Interested.  -G.






DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-11 Thread comex
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
 ===  CFJ 2797 (Interest Index = 0)  

     If the proposal entitled Reassign the name passed, it would
     successfully null-amend a Rule with Power  1.7.

 

 Trivially FALSE; the proposal lacks the Power to amend a Rule of greater
 Power.

Wouldn't this be trivially TRUE per your statement that null-amendment
is not actually any change?


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-11 Thread Sean Hunt
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:26 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
 ===  CFJ 2797 (Interest Index = 0)  

     If the proposal entitled Reassign the name passed, it would
     successfully null-amend a Rule with Power  1.7.

 

 Trivially FALSE; the proposal lacks the Power to amend a Rule of greater
 Power.

 Wouldn't this be trivially TRUE per your statement that null-amendment
 is not actually any change?


I interpreted it 'null-amend' as 'an amendment with no substantiative
change', which would still be prohibited if it could exist. I wrote
that judgment before the previous one; citing the first judgment would
have been a valid alternate way to resolve it, but it would still be
FALSE (since then a null-amendment could not exist)


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-11 Thread comex
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Sean Hunt ride...@gmail.com wrote:
 I interpreted it 'null-amend' as 'an amendment with no substantiative
 change', which would still be prohibited if it could exist.

Ah, I disagree with you on this point.   Power Controls Mutability
explicitly does not prohibit an unsubstantive change.


DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2796-98 assigned to coppro

2010-05-11 Thread Ed Murphy
coppro wrote:

 I sit up.

ITYM I stand up.

 I award myself two capacitors.

This should be reasonably unambiguous, as the only other CFJ you've
attempted to judge this month was 2790 (II=0) on the 4th.