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G. wrote: 6588 1 3.0 c.GreenR101 changes AGAlNST 6589 0 3.0 c.GreenClarify R101 deregistration AGAlNST Cute.
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: The Registrar's report doesn't show Taral having deregistered (though I thought e had at some point). I deregistered to test non-player participation via the AFO, but if you're eligible via your recent CFJ (I doubt it, the intended reading is reasonably obvious) then so am I. v Goddess Eris ta...@taral.net 3 Apr 00 13 Dec 06
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Wooble wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: The Registrar's report doesn't show Taral having deregistered (though I thought e had at some point). I deregistered to test non-player participation via the AFO, but if you're eligible via your recent CFJ (I doubt it, the intended reading is reasonably obvious) then so am I. v Goddess Eris ta...@taral.net 3 Apr 00 13 Dec 06 Huh, I searched for Eris, must have started too late in the file or something.
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: ? If Taral's eligible, wouldn't you and I be too Murphy ? -G. Taral's not eligible (was previously a player from 3 Apr 00 to 13 Dec 06). Not that I'm likely to have a No Confidence card fast enough to fulfill my pledge to try to become Registrar again, but consider this a campaign speech anyway. Anyway, previous mentors: pikhq named WALRUS, 20 Dec 2007 ais523 named Wooble, 15 Aug 2008 coppro named ais523, 21 Aug 2009 comex named Murphy, 24 Nov 2009
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: ? If Taral's eligible, wouldn't you and I be too Murphy ? -G. Taral's not eligible (was previously a player from 3 Apr 00 to 13 Dec 06). Not that I'm likely to have a No Confidence card fast enough to fulfill my pledge to try to become Registrar again, but consider this a campaign speech anyway. That's not the way the rule reads: When a first-class person has been a player continuously for at least three months, was never a player before that period, and names another player as eir mentor (and has not named a mentor in this fashion before), the named player earns a White Ribbon. This seems to grandfather in everyone who was a player before the rule came to have this form. -G.
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I think has been a player continuously for X is supposed to mean is a player, and has been so continuously for X. e.g. if I deregister, I wouldn't say I've been a player of Agora for three months. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: When a first-class person has been a player continuously for at least three months, was never a player before that period, and names another player as eir mentor (and has not named a mentor in this fashion before), the named player earns a White Ribbon. This seems to grandfather in everyone who was a player before the rule came to have this form. -G. To be precise: I was (had been) a player from Feb 2001-May 2001. I was never a player before that period. I have never named a mentor. I name Taral as my Mentor. I create a white ribbon in eir possession. I call the following CFJ: Taral has earned a white ribbon. Evidence: G. wrote: To be precise: I was (had been) a player from Feb 2001-May 2001. I was never a player before that period. I have never named a mentor. I name Taral as my Mentor. From Rule 2199/8: (+W) When a first-class person becomes a player for the first time, e earns a White Ribbon. When a first-class person has been a player continuously for at least three months, was never a player before that period, and names another player as eir mentor (and has not named a mentor in this fashion before), the named player earns a White Ribbon. -G.
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, comex wrote: I think has been a player continuously for X is supposed to mean is a player, and has been so continuously for X. e.g. if I deregister, I wouldn't say I've been a player of Agora for three months. Heh, is c. arguing for what it's supposed to mean rather than what it says? :) I see the general linguistic arguments that you and Wooble have made, but logically the conditions: 1. Has been a player for 3 months continuously; 2. Was not a player before that continuous period; 3. Has not made an award; can all be logically satisfied even if the three month period is long in the past and even if that continuity (after the three months) was broken. Which is often enough for this Nomic, although, yes, of course I know what the rule is really *supposed* to say. -G.
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G. wrote: On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: But what about Murphy and myself? We are both very close to a victory; Murphy in particular needs only bribe a newbie to win. I believe the list of eligible newbies is a subset of ais523, c., coppro, Edmond Dantes, JonnyRotten, Ienpw III, Sgeo, Taral, Tiger, woggle, Yally. coppro, do you have a list of past mentor awards? ? If Taral's eligible, wouldn't you and I be too Murphy ? -G. The Registrar's report doesn't show Taral having deregistered (though I thought e had at some point). I deregistered to test non-player participation via the AFO, but if you're eligible via your recent CFJ (I doubt it, the intended reading is reasonably obvious) then so am I.
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On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 16:21 -0500, comex wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: NUM II AI SUBMITTER CHAMBER TITLE 6583 1 4.0 c.GreenCrumbling Fountain 6584 0 2.0 c.GreenProposal 6585 0 3.0 c.GreenBoilerplate! 6586 1 3.0 c.GreenMore Citrine Repeals 6587 0 2.0 c.GreenCitrine Fix 6588 1 3.0 c.GreenR101 changes 6589 0 3.0 c.GreenClarify R101 deregistration Cool, a c.-only distribution. I vote FOR each proposal x my voting limit. I'm really annoyed at your attempt to repeal Ribbons (as part of 6586; mostly, I'm not annoyed) when I'm so close to a second win by Renaissance. There's a nomic thesis that I'm planning to write by the end of the month because it would be useful for things I do in RL as well (and that's the deadline for it); and the only other ribbon I'm missing is red, which I'll get as soon as last week's first distribution is assessed (I did a bit of a timing scam at the end there to force the proposal through for the ribbon; I treat my wins pretty seriously, and Renaissance is IMO the most interesting and difficult of them all to get in a non-scam way (apart from the scam-only ones). -- ais523
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:54 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:29 PM, ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Cool, a c.-only distribution. I vote FOR each proposal x my voting limit.
I'm really annoyed at your attempt to repeal Ribbons (as part of 6586;
mostly, I'm not annoyed) when I'm so close to a second win by
Renaissance.
Mm, I think Ribbons should go, though. They weren't a bad idea, and
Renaissance has been interesting, but they've been around way too
long.
Proposal: Honorary Renaissance (II=0)
{
[If More Citrine Repeals passes, then Ribbons will be repealed
probably shortly before ais523 would have won by Renaissance.]
If ais523 has been awarded a degree in the last month, and did not win
by Renaissance in the last month, then create a new Rule with the
following text:
ais523 continuously satisfies the Winning Condition of
Renaissance. When ais523 wins by Renaissance, this rule
automatically repeals itself.
}
--
-c.
But what about Murphy and myself? We are both very close to a victory;
Murphy in particular needs only bribe a newbie to win.
-coppro
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2009/11/23 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: I'm really annoyed at your attempt to repeal Ribbons (as part of 6586; mostly, I'm not annoyed) when I'm so close to a second win by Renaissance. Funnily enough, the game is not run according to letting you get the ever-present next win you're always so close to getting. Then again, maybe it is; that would explain the slow crawl of the game lately.
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, ais523 wrote: I'm really annoyed at your attempt to repeal Ribbons (as part of 6586; mostly, I'm not annoyed) when I'm so close to a second win by Renaissance... This is a nomic. We went out of our way to make voting manipulation cards. Make the win worthwhile: Kill a Bill or something. -G.
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coppro wrote: But what about Murphy and myself? We are both very close to a victory; Murphy in particular needs only bribe a newbie to win. I believe the list of eligible newbies is a subset of ais523, c., coppro, Edmond Dantes, JonnyRotten, Ienpw III, Sgeo, Taral, Tiger, woggle, Yally. coppro, do you have a list of past mentor awards?
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Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: But what about Murphy and myself? We are both very close to a victory; Murphy in particular needs only bribe a newbie to win. I believe the list of eligible newbies is a subset of ais523, c., coppro, Edmond Dantes, JonnyRotten, Ienpw III, Sgeo, Taral, Tiger, woggle, Yally. coppro, do you have a list of past mentor awards? Unfortunately, I do not. That record wasn't available when I took over Tailor duties. I have used up my award, however, having named ais523. -coppro
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: coppro wrote: But what about Murphy and myself? We are both very close to a victory; Murphy in particular needs only bribe a newbie to win. I believe the list of eligible newbies is a subset of ais523, c., coppro, Edmond Dantes, JonnyRotten, Ienpw III, Sgeo, Taral, Tiger, woggle, Yally. coppro, do you have a list of past mentor awards? ? If Taral's eligible, wouldn't you and I be too Murphy ? -G.
