Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8143-8145 and 8142
This scam would be pretty dangerous. Initiating 495 excess cases would result in at least that many blots if someone pointed a finger at me for it! > On Jan 20, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Upon examination of R2478, I think that falsely declaring a Finger Pointing > to be Shenanigans may be IMPOSSIBLE, or if not, is certainly ILLEGAL. And > that would be a violation that the Arbitor _could_ take over the > investigation of. > > -twg > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 4:20 PM, D. Margaux >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 3:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: >>> Even if I made that pledge, nobody would trust me, and rightly so. >> >> FWIW, I would trust you if you made that pledge. >> >> Theoretically, the pledge has a loophole if you’re the Referee, since you >> could decide any pointer finger regarding that pledge yourself. To make the >> pledge more airtight, you could also pledge that, if you remain as Referee >> at the time any finger is pointed for an alleged violation of the pledge, >> you would appoint the holder of the Arbitor’s office to act on your behalf >> to be investigator. (If you broke THAT pledge, I think that would be a >> violation related to your duties as referee, which the Arbitor could then >> investigate be announcement.) > >
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8143-8145 and 8142
Yes, but you could award yourself a single blot as a fine for breaking the pledge. But in any case i trust you not to break it regardless. > On Jan 20, 2019, at 1:56 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Upon examination of R2478, I think that falsely declaring a Finger Pointing > to be Shenanigans may be IMPOSSIBLE, or if not, is certainly ILLEGAL. And > that would be a violation that the Arbitor _could_ take over the > investigation of. > > -twg > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 4:20 PM, D. Margaux >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jan 16, 2019, at 3:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: >>> Even if I made that pledge, nobody would trust me, and rightly so. >> >> FWIW, I would trust you if you made that pledge. >> >> Theoretically, the pledge has a loophole if you’re the Referee, since you >> could decide any pointer finger regarding that pledge yourself. To make the >> pledge more airtight, you could also pledge that, if you remain as Referee >> at the time any finger is pointed for an alleged violation of the pledge, >> you would appoint the holder of the Arbitor’s office to act on your behalf >> to be investigator. (If you broke THAT pledge, I think that would be a >> violation related to your duties as referee, which the Arbitor could then >> investigate be announcement.) > >
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8143-8145 and 8142
Upon examination of R2478, I think that falsely declaring a Finger Pointing to be Shenanigans may be IMPOSSIBLE, or if not, is certainly ILLEGAL. And that would be a violation that the Arbitor _could_ take over the investigation of. -twg ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 4:20 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > > > > On Jan 16, 2019, at 3:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote: > > Even if I made that pledge, nobody would trust me, and rightly so. > > FWIW, I would trust you if you made that pledge. > > Theoretically, the pledge has a loophole if you’re the Referee, since you > could decide any pointer finger regarding that pledge yourself. To make the > pledge more airtight, you could also pledge that, if you remain as Referee at > the time any finger is pointed for an alleged violation of the pledge, you > would appoint the holder of the Arbitor’s office to act on your behalf to be > investigator. (If you broke THAT pledge, I think that would be a violation > related to your duties as referee, which the Arbitor could then investigate > be announcement.)
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8143-8145 and 8142
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 9:44 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 1/16/2019 12:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > No, there's no need. I initiate an election for Assessor, beginning the > > nomination period. This is a bad enough mistake (considering it's > actually > the second time I've made it recently) that I don't think it would be > > right for me to continue in the position. Even if I made that pledge, > > nobody would trust me, and rightly so. > > Honestly, this rose to the "everyone is tempted and gets one warning" > stage for me. Maybe accompanied by some sharing of your profit with > Trigon if that's appropriate compensation. twg, what it’s worth, I think you should stay on. My impeachment attempt was intended to get you to make a pledge and secondarily to test how reluctant the Agoran public would be to impeach an officer. I didn’t actually expect it to go anywhere. You’ve been a pretty good Assesor, overall, and I, for one, would be happy to see you continue in the office. -Aris
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8143-8145 and 8142
On 1/16/2019 12:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > No, there's no need. I initiate an election for Assessor, beginning the > nomination period. This is a bad enough mistake (considering it's actually > the second time I've made it recently) that I don't think it would be > right for me to continue in the position. Even if I made that pledge, > nobody would trust me, and rightly so. Honestly, this rose to the "everyone is tempted and gets one warning" stage for me. Maybe accompanied by some sharing of your profit with Trigon if that's appropriate compensation.
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8143-8145 and 8142
> On Jan 16, 2019, at 3:48 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > Even if I made that pledge, nobody would trust me, and rightly so. FWIW, I would trust you if you made that pledge. Theoretically, the pledge has a loophole if you’re the Referee, since you could decide any pointer finger regarding that pledge yourself. To make the pledge more airtight, you could also pledge that, if you remain as Referee at the time any finger is pointed for an alleged violation of the pledge, you would appoint the holder of the Arbitor’s office to act on your behalf to be investigator. (If you broke THAT pledge, I think that would be a violation related to your duties as referee, which the Arbitor could then investigate be announcement.)
DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8143-8145 and 8142
On Tue, 15 Jan 2019, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt each of Proposals 8143, 8144, 8145 and 8142, in that order, as follows. I'll do 8139-8141 after lunch. (I know this is a controversial use of Assessor powers, but if you will keep voting for proposals about rewards for proposals...) Doing this to personally gain an advantage may be controversial, but doing it in a manner that ends up completely undoing the effect of proposal 8144 is just plain rude. Greetings, Ørjan. -twg SUMMARY This section self-ratifies. IDAuthor(s) Title Result 8143 Trigon Happy Birthday to You v3 ADOPTED 8144 Trigon Sharing the Wealth ADOPTED 8145 Gaelan No Rebirth ADOPTED 8142 twg et al. Let Me Back In!ADOPTED 7 ballots were cast on Proposal 8142, so Quorum on Agoran Decisions is now 5 except where otherwise stated. TALLY OF VOTES This section does not self-ratify. +-+-+-+-+ | 8143| 8144| 8145| 8142| ++-+-+-+-+ |AI | 1.0 | 1.5 | 1.5 | 2.0 | |Quorum | 7 | 7 | 7 | 7 | ++-+-+-+-+ |Aris| AAA | AAA | AAA | FFF | |D. Margaux | FFF | FFF | FFF | FFF | |Gaelan |+FFF |+ P | FFF |+FFF | |Murphy | FFF | FFF | FFF | FFF | |Tenhigitsune Z|+FFF |+FFF |+FFF |+FFF | |Trigon | FFF | P | P | FFF | |twg | FFF | FFF |+FFF | FFF | ++-+-+-+-+ |FOR | 18 | 15 | 18 | 21 | |AGAINST | 3 | 3 | 3 | 0 | |Ballots | 7 | 7 | 7 | 7 | |Resolved|ADOP.|ADOP.|ADOP.|ADOP.| ++-+-+-+-+ Key: #b. Possesses # blots [-floor(#/3) voting strength] PM Prime Minister [+1 voting strength] Z Zombie + Extricated conditional x Inextricable conditional RIBBONS EARNED IN THIS RESOLUTION This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify. PlayerRibbonProposal(s) ------- twg Orange8139 twg Orange8141 twg Orange8142 TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify. // ID: 8143 Title: Happy Birthday to You v3 Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Enact a new rule entitled "Birthday Gifts", power=1, with the text: It is considered to be a player's Agoran Birthday on the anniversary of the day e most recently registered. Every time it is a player's Agoran Birthday, each of the other players CAN grant em 3 coins by announcement. Players are ENCOURAGED to announce their Agoran Birthdays. // ID: 8144 Title: Sharing the Wealth Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Trigon Co-authors: Amend rule 2496 "Rewards" by replacing the list element beginning "Being the author" that reads: * The following apply to adopted proposals: * Being the author: a number of coins equal to ((the total number of valid ballots cast FOR the decision - the total number of valid ballots cast AGAINST) times its adoption index) rounded up. * Being listed as a coauthor: the same amount, divided by 2 and rounded up. // ID: 8145 Title: No Rebirth Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Gaelan Co-authors: IF THE PROPOSAL “Happy Birthday to You v3” HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND ENACTED: Amend the rule entitled “Birthday Gifts” by replacing “anniversary of the day e most recently registered” with “anniversary of the day e first registered. If the day a player first registered is unknown, that player CAN, with Agoran Consent, declare a day to be eir Agoran Birthday. As long as the day a player first registered remains unknown, it is considered to be eir Agoran Birthday on the anniversary of the day e most recently declared as eir Agoran Birthday” IF THE PROPOSAL “Happy Birthday to You v3” HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED, BUT IF RESOLVED WOULD BE ENACTED: Create a power-1 rule entitled “ugh” with the text “Any player may, by announcement cause this rule to amend the rule entitled “Birthday Gifts” by replacing “anniversary of the day e most recently registered” with “anniversary of the day e first registered. If the day a player first registered
