Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Gaelan Steele]

Fair enough.
> On May 25, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 25 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: 
>> That format looks fine, although it would be nice if you listed the rule 
>> number to apply the implication to. 
>> (Is that the citations?)
> 
> Would putting a symbol next to a rule in Citations be sufficient and not-too 
> hard to scrape (to keep things compact
> for humans).  e.g.
> 
> CITATIONS
> R101/23(*), R234/42, CFJ 4566
> 
> with the understanding that the (*) might not always be there, not all 
> implications map to a specific rule.
> 
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 25 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: 
> That format looks fine, although it would be nice if you listed the rule 
> number to apply the implication to. 
> (Is that the citations?)

Would putting a symbol next to a rule in Citations be sufficient and not-too 
hard to scrape (to keep things compact
for humans).  e.g.

CITATIONS
 R101/23(*), R234/42, CFJ 4566

with the understanding that the (*) might not always be there, not all 
implications map to a specific rule.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 25 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> How does the current CFJ database work? Is it plain HTML, or generated 
> somehow? If you already have the files used for that, then you could just go 
> with that.

Each case log is stored in an individual file (a single directory):

https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/[N]

I have a script for scraping the case logs and generating the index page.
But it takes too long to do it on-the-fly, so I run it once whenever I update 
the
text files, so the index is fixed during general use.

(Even when I only update the index after I do my duties each time, it takes 
annoyingly long 
to generate the full index, so I don't scan cases<3000, index for those was 
just generated
once).

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Gaelan Steele]

How does the current CFJ database work? Is it plain HTML, or generated somehow? 
If you already have the files used for that, then you could just go with that. 

That format looks fine, although it would be nice if you listed the rule number 
to apply the implication to. (Is that the citations?) Alternatively, you could 
generate a YAML file like this:

CFJ :
  judged by: XXX
  judged on: -MM-DD
  IMPLICATIONS: |
(text)
  CITATIONS: |
(text)

This is valid YAML, but if you weren't looking for it you'd never know. 

> On May 25, 2017, at 10:21 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 25 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>> I'd love if you could place these annotations somewhere my FLR script can 
>> access. 
>> I'll try and send you a file with the old annotations I parsed out from the 
>> FLR tonight.
> 
> I will; for now I'll put a single index file or page (and may wait until I 
> have
> a few more).  Any suggestions/changes on metadata format? (emphasizing human 
> readability
> but with enough consistency for scripting, so planning to have capitalized 
> subheadings
> as shown below).
> 
> CFJ 
> judged by : date
> IMPLICATIONS
> (text)
> CITATIONS
> (text)
> 
> I'll also probably auto-generate a table version like the current index, if 
> that's
> easier to scrape.
> 
> 
> 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 25 May 2017, Quazie wrote:
> CFJ db request: Any way we can add search?  What's your backend look like so 
> someone might be able to help?
> Not being able to search CFJ body text has made it harder to use than some 
> prior CFJ DBs.

I agree.  I wrote a rudimentary search script that's ok, but it's heavy and slow
and I'm concerned about that (because it's just searching through 3000+ text 
files each 
time).

Right now anyone could write their own script that just loops through the text 
files
that are stored in the format for the raw text:
https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/[Case number]

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Quazie]

CFJ db request: Any way we can add search?  What's your backend look like
so someone might be able to help?  Not being able to search CFJ body text
has made it harder to use than some prior CFJ DBs.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 10:24 AM Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 25 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > I'd love if you could place these annotations somewhere my FLR script
> can access.
> > I'll try and send you a file with the old annotations I parsed out from
> the FLR tonight.
>
> I will; for now I'll put a single index file or page (and may wait until I
> have
> a few more).  Any suggestions/changes on metadata format? (emphasizing
> human readability
> but with enough consistency for scripting, so planning to have capitalized
> subheadings
> as shown below).
>
> CFJ 
>  judged by : date
> IMPLICATIONS
> (text)
> CITATIONS
> (text)
>
> I'll also probably auto-generate a table version like the current index,
> if that's
> easier to scrape.
>
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 25 May 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> I'd love if you could place these annotations somewhere my FLR script can 
> access. 
> I'll try and send you a file with the old annotations I parsed out from the 
> FLR tonight.

I will; for now I'll put a single index file or page (and may wait until I have
a few more).  Any suggestions/changes on metadata format? (emphasizing human 
readability
but with enough consistency for scripting, so planning to have capitalized 
subheadings
as shown below).

CFJ 
 judged by : date
IMPLICATIONS
(text)
CITATIONS
(text)

I'll also probably auto-generate a table version like the current index, if 
that's
easier to scrape.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, 25 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I disagree with the citation of CFJ 3469, I explicitly found that they could 
> not be held by non-persons, 
> but if they were awarded to persons then they exist and must be tracked. The 
> rest look fine to me and I like the
> idea of keeping this on the case record. Now that I see what these should 
> look like, I might give you a hand on
> some earlier cases.

Thanks for the feedback, I agree with your correction.  And help definitely 
appreciated; I was hoping 
this batch would show the general format (I'll collect any submitted, might 
wait until I have a 
whole bunch before inputting them to the archive).

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Where should annotations be placed for maximal accessibility?


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> I'd love if you could place these annotations somewhere my FLR script can
> access. I'll try and send you a file with the old annotations I parsed out
> from the FLR tonight.
>
> Gaelan
>
> > On May 25, 2017, at 2:06 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > [Comments on the below sections welcome.  If this is liked, I invite
> judges to
> > include implications & citations although I reserve the right to
> edit/comment.
> > Question:  should implications/citations be included in the case logs?]
> >
> >
> > RECENT JUDGEMENTS of INTEREST
> >
> > CFJs 3463-3464, judged by Gaelan
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > A report listing properties of a person twice in a conflicting way
> (even
> > listing by different nicknames) is inconsistent and does not ratify.
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3465, judged by nichdel
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > Alexis indeed became Dictator, and is now Princess of Agora.
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3566, judged by nichdel
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > The internal state of an organization is part of the gamestate, and
> can
> > be ratified.
> >  CITATIONS
> > R2202/6, R1551/18, CFJ 1420
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3468, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > "With Agoran Support" is a reasonable synonym for "With Agoran
> Consent".
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3469, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > A non-person can hold a Patent Title, if it was awarded when the
> entity
> > was a person.
> >  CITATIONS
> > R649/37
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3471-3472, judged by G.
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > Actions announcements posted in a non-English language may be
> successful,
> > by only if (1) an online translator is readily available, (2) there
> is sufficient
> > context to determine the type of action without the translator, and
> (3) the
> > literal English translation results in a clear action specification.
> >  CITATIONS
> > CFJ 1460
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3486, judged by Aris
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > Except for conditional votes, conditional actions must be resolvable
> based
> > on the gamestate at the time the action was announced.
> >  CITATIONS
> > R478/33(recommend annotation), R2127/9
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3487, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > The Arbitor's message "Judge: (player)" in reference to an open case
> is
> > clearly the act of assigning a judge.
> >  CITATIONS
> > CFJ 3481
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3488, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > When a person deregisters while judge of an open case, e remains
> judge:
> > e CAN still assign a judgement, and must do so in a timely fashion.
> >  CITATIONS
> > R591/42(recommend annotation), R991/17
> >
> >
> > CFJ 3489, judged by Aris
> >  IMPLICATIONS
> > An organization cannot take actions automatically.
> >  CITATIONS
> > R2483/2
> >
> >
> >
>

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Gaelan Steele]

I'd love if you could place these annotations somewhere my FLR script can 
access. I'll try and send you a file with the old annotations I parsed out from 
the FLR tonight. 

Gaelan

> On May 25, 2017, at 2:06 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> [Comments on the below sections welcome.  If this is liked, I invite judges to
> include implications & citations although I reserve the right to edit/comment.
> Question:  should implications/citations be included in the case logs?]
> 
> 
> RECENT JUDGEMENTS of INTEREST
> 
> CFJs 3463-3464, judged by Gaelan
>  IMPLICATIONS
> A report listing properties of a person twice in a conflicting way (even
> listing by different nicknames) is inconsistent and does not ratify.
> 
> 
> CFJ 3465, judged by nichdel
>  IMPLICATIONS
> Alexis indeed became Dictator, and is now Princess of Agora.
> 
> 
> CFJ 3566, judged by nichdel
>  IMPLICATIONS
> The internal state of an organization is part of the gamestate, and can
> be ratified.
>  CITATIONS
> R2202/6, R1551/18, CFJ 1420  
> 
> 
> CFJ 3468, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  IMPLICATIONS
> "With Agoran Support" is a reasonable synonym for "With Agoran Consent".
> 
> 
> CFJ 3469, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  IMPLICATIONS
> A non-person can hold a Patent Title, if it was awarded when the entity
> was a person.
>  CITATIONS
> R649/37
> 
> 
> CFJ 3471-3472, judged by G.
>  IMPLICATIONS
> Actions announcements posted in a non-English language may be successful, 
> by only if (1) an online translator is readily available, (2) there is 
> sufficient
> context to determine the type of action without the translator, and (3) 
> the 
> literal English translation results in a clear action specification.
>  CITATIONS
> CFJ 1460
> 
> 
> CFJ 3486, judged by Aris
>  IMPLICATIONS
> Except for conditional votes, conditional actions must be resolvable based
> on the gamestate at the time the action was announced.
>  CITATIONS
> R478/33(recommend annotation), R2127/9
> 
> 
> CFJ 3487, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  IMPLICATIONS
> The Arbitor's message "Judge: (player)" in reference to an open case is
> clearly the act of assigning a judge.
>  CITATIONS
> CFJ 3481
> 
> 
> CFJ 3488, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  IMPLICATIONS
> When a person deregisters while judge of an open case, e remains judge:
> e CAN still assign a judgement, and must do so in a timely fashion.
>  CITATIONS
> R591/42(recommend annotation), R991/17
> 
> 
> CFJ 3489, judged by Aris
>  IMPLICATIONS
> An organization cannot take actions automatically.
>  CITATIONS
> R2483/2
> 
> 
> 

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I disagree with the citation of CFJ 3469, I explicitly found that they
could not be held by non-persons, but if they were awarded to persons then
they exist and must be tracked. The rest look fine to me and I like the
idea of keeping this on the case record. Now that I see what these should
look like, I might give you a hand on some earlier cases.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> [Comments on the below sections welcome.  If this is liked, I invite
> judges to
>  include implications & citations although I reserve the right to
> edit/comment.
>  Question:  should implications/citations be included in the case logs?]
>
>
> RECENT JUDGEMENTS of INTEREST
>
> CFJs 3463-3464, judged by Gaelan
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  A report listing properties of a person twice in a conflicting way
> (even
>  listing by different nicknames) is inconsistent and does not ratify.
>
>
> CFJ 3465, judged by nichdel
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  Alexis indeed became Dictator, and is now Princess of Agora.
>
>
> CFJ 3566, judged by nichdel
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  The internal state of an organization is part of the gamestate, and
> can
>  be ratified.
>   CITATIONS
>  R2202/6, R1551/18, CFJ 1420
>
>
> CFJ 3468, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  "With Agoran Support" is a reasonable synonym for "With Agoran
> Consent".
>
>
> CFJ 3469, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  A non-person can hold a Patent Title, if it was awarded when the
> entity
>  was a person.
>   CITATIONS
>  R649/37
>
>
> CFJ 3471-3472, judged by G.
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  Actions announcements posted in a non-English language may be
> successful,
>  by only if (1) an online translator is readily available, (2) there
> is sufficient
>  context to determine the type of action without the translator, and
> (3) the
>  literal English translation results in a clear action specification.
>   CITATIONS
>  CFJ 1460
>
>
> CFJ 3486, judged by Aris
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  Except for conditional votes, conditional actions must be resolvable
> based
>  on the gamestate at the time the action was announced.
>   CITATIONS
>  R478/33(recommend annotation), R2127/9
>
>
> CFJ 3487, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  The Arbitor's message "Judge: (player)" in reference to an open case
> is
>  clearly the act of assigning a judge.
>   CITATIONS
>  CFJ 3481
>
>
> CFJ 3488, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  When a person deregisters while judge of an open case, e remains
> judge:
>  e CAN still assign a judgement, and must do so in a timely fashion.
>   CITATIONS
>  R591/42(recommend annotation), R991/17
>
>
> CFJ 3489, judged by Aris
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  An organization cannot take actions automatically.
>   CITATIONS
>  R2483/2
>
>
>
>

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] Court Gazette

[Josh T]

> Question:  should implications/citations be included in the case logs?

I think it would be a good idea to facilitate looking for things quickly.

天火狐

On 25 May 2017 at 05:06, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> [Comments on the below sections welcome.  If this is liked, I invite
> judges to
>  include implications & citations although I reserve the right to
> edit/comment.
>  Question:  should implications/citations be included in the case logs?]
>
>
> RECENT JUDGEMENTS of INTEREST
>
> CFJs 3463-3464, judged by Gaelan
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  A report listing properties of a person twice in a conflicting way
> (even
>  listing by different nicknames) is inconsistent and does not ratify.
>
>
> CFJ 3465, judged by nichdel
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  Alexis indeed became Dictator, and is now Princess of Agora.
>
>
> CFJ 3566, judged by nichdel
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  The internal state of an organization is part of the gamestate, and
> can
>  be ratified.
>   CITATIONS
>  R2202/6, R1551/18, CFJ 1420
>
>
> CFJ 3468, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  "With Agoran Support" is a reasonable synonym for "With Agoran
> Consent".
>
>
> CFJ 3469, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  A non-person can hold a Patent Title, if it was awarded when the
> entity
>  was a person.
>   CITATIONS
>  R649/37
>
>
> CFJ 3471-3472, judged by G.
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  Actions announcements posted in a non-English language may be
> successful,
>  by only if (1) an online translator is readily available, (2) there
> is sufficient
>  context to determine the type of action without the translator, and
> (3) the
>  literal English translation results in a clear action specification.
>   CITATIONS
>  CFJ 1460
>
>
> CFJ 3486, judged by Aris
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  Except for conditional votes, conditional actions must be resolvable
> based
>  on the gamestate at the time the action was announced.
>   CITATIONS
>  R478/33(recommend annotation), R2127/9
>
>
> CFJ 3487, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  The Arbitor's message "Judge: (player)" in reference to an open case
> is
>  clearly the act of assigning a judge.
>   CITATIONS
>  CFJ 3481
>
>
> CFJ 3488, judged by Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  When a person deregisters while judge of an open case, e remains
> judge:
>  e CAN still assign a judgement, and must do so in a timely fashion.
>   CITATIONS
>  R591/42(recommend annotation), R991/17
>
>
> CFJ 3489, judged by Aris
>   IMPLICATIONS
>  An organization cannot take actions automatically.
>   CITATIONS
>  R2483/2
>
>
>
>