Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
What if we had different pseudo-stocks each tied to different actions and costs. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 26, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > On 05/26/2017 01:00 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >> >But why would people want to do that? If I own every instance of the word >> >'office' in the ruleset, is there anything I can do with that? Or are those >> >purely for speculating on their future value? >> >> Achieving more of an arbitrary token that denotes merit lol. > Typically you need to make the end goal something players already value, like > a win. It's difficult to convince people to value something new, especially > if the strategy to achieve it isn't immediately obvious. > > I'd also like to note that the Stamp system combined with Pending Price is > intended to be a sort of pseudo-stock. Not to say that we can only have one > mechanic of that variety, but it's probably best to make sure they both fit > well into the Agoran ecosystem without filling the same role.
Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
The numbers also sound very cool. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 26, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > On Fri, 26 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: >>> But why would people want to do that? If I own every instance of the word >>> 'office' in the ruleset, >> is there anything I can do with that? Or are those purely for speculating on >> their future value? >> Achieving more of an arbitrary token that denotes merit lol. > > One of the games that dominated Agoran play for a full year was the Agoran > Agricultural Association > (AAA). > > It was a farming game. You could buy plots to farm digits (the digits 0-9). > They took time > to farm, and so you could have a stockpile of digits. > > Whenever a CFJ was officially judged, Proposal (distributed or adopted? > forget which) or > a rule numbered, you could cash in digits in your stockpile to get rewards. > Took some > anticipation, trading, stocking, etc. I think you got bonuses for combos > (number of > digits you traded in for a single CFJ, etc.) > > Right now, in CFJ land we've just left the 3400s for the 3500s. 3s still > have a constant > regular value, but the 4 market has dropped a bit while 5s have picked up. > > We were really, really into it. > > Also: we've mused on ideas for owning Rules, so that whenever a Rule is > amended, etc., the > owner gets something. Never did it but it could be fun. > > > >
Re: Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
>Typically you need to make the end goal something players already value, like a win. What if we call the token SUPER win
Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
On 05/26/2017 01:00 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: >But why would people want to do that? If I own every instance of the word 'office' in the ruleset, is there anything I can do with that? Or are those purely for speculating on their future value? Achieving more of an arbitrary token that denotes merit lol. Typically you need to make the end goal something players already value, like a win. It's difficult to convince people to value something new, especially if the strategy to achieve it isn't immediately obvious. I'd also like to note that the Stamp system combined with Pending Price is intended to be a sort of pseudo-stock. Not to say that we can only have one mechanic of that variety, but it's probably best to make sure they both fit well into the Agoran ecosystem without filling the same role.
Re: Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
On Fri, 26 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > >But why would people want to do that? If I own every instance of the word > >'office' in the ruleset, > is there anything I can do with that? Or are those purely for speculating on > their future value? > Achieving more of an arbitrary token that denotes merit lol. One of the games that dominated Agoran play for a full year was the Agoran Agricultural Association (AAA). It was a farming game. You could buy plots to farm digits (the digits 0-9). They took time to farm, and so you could have a stockpile of digits. Whenever a CFJ was officially judged, Proposal (distributed or adopted? forget which) or a rule numbered, you could cash in digits in your stockpile to get rewards. Took some anticipation, trading, stocking, etc. I think you got bonuses for combos (number of digits you traded in for a single CFJ, etc.) Right now, in CFJ land we've just left the 3400s for the 3500s. 3s still have a constant regular value, but the 4 market has dropped a bit while 5s have picked up. We were really, really into it. Also: we've mused on ideas for owning Rules, so that whenever a Rule is amended, etc., the owner gets something. Never did it but it could be fun.
Re: Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
>But why would people want to do that? If I own every instance of the word 'office' in the ruleset, is there anything I can do with that? Or are those purely for speculating on their future value? Achieving more of an arbitrary token that denotes merit lol.
Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
That seems fun. After establishing the stock market people and organizations could claim shares in words which can then be further traded. But why would people want to do that? If I own every instance of the word 'office' in the ruleset, is there anything I can do with that? Or are those purely for speculating on their future value? Veggiekeks Am 26.05.2017 um 19:21 schrieb CuddleBeam: Stock Market of words in the ruleset perhaps? "People want more 'if's - QUICK, BUY, BUY!" "Oh shit, there's going to be a keyword reform: SELL 'SHALLS', SELL!"
Re: Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
That could be very interesting. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:21 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > Stock Market of words in the ruleset perhaps? > > "People want more 'if's - QUICK, BUY, BUY!" > > "Oh shit, there's going to be a keyword reform: SELL 'SHALLS', SELL!" >
Re: Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
Stock Market of words in the ruleset perhaps? "People want more 'if's - QUICK, BUY, BUY!" "Oh shit, there's going to be a keyword reform: SELL 'SHALLS', SELL!"
Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
I like the stock market idea. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > A stock market could be interesting. Stocks could be real (tied to actual > stock data) or just simulated > > Gaelan > > > On May 25, 2017, at 11:01 PM, Quazie wrote: > > > > I ENCOURAGE someone to come up with an interesting proposal competition. > > > > I SUGGEST that the economy is an interesting objective. > > I SUGGEST that judicial reform is an interesting objective. > > I SUGGEST that theming the game is an interesting objective. > > > > How in the world have we not had a Proposal Competition since all this > activity began? > > > > How in the world are we not continually attempting to start proposal > competitions? > > > > They seem so neat, and powerful, and were somehow missed by the economy > overhaul for proposal distribution. (Though maybe that was intentional?) > > >
Re: Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
There was an Agoran Drinking Song once. Can't remember the full thing, but the final lines were: 'Cause every one must have eir Torah Rules that they find divine. Agora, pass one more amphora Pour me one more cup of wine! On Fri, 26 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > >religion themed rulesystems > We already have a "religion" system here. > > To imagine it, imagine the "Agora ruleset" is now called "Bible", "Quran", or > something similar. Replace "bad sport" in our ruleset with "sinner". > > Now look at all of our conflicts over considering what is cardable or not. > What is "acceptable" and what is "abuse" and in what way. > > We have people pointing to the codified ethics and arguing and lawyering over > what is "right" and "wrong" in Agora all the time. Just like... certain > disagreements between Protestantism and Catholicism for example, over > interpretation of parts of > the Bible. > > I don't believe religion is in itself bad or good. But we already a prominent > part of what is often its thematic right here. > > Codified ethics, and the interpretation of it. > >
Re: Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
>religion themed rulesystems We already have a "religion" system here. To imagine it, imagine the "Agora ruleset" is now called "Bible", "Quran", or something similar. Replace "bad sport" in our ruleset with "sinner". Now look at all of our conflicts over considering what is cardable or not. What is "acceptable" and what is "abuse" and in what way. We have people pointing to the codified ethics and arguing and lawyering over what is "right" and "wrong" in Agora all the time. Just like... certain disagreements between Protestantism and Catholicism for example, over interpretation of parts of the Bible. I don't believe religion is in itself bad or good. But we already a prominent part of what is often its thematic right here. Codified ethics, and the interpretation of it.
Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
A stock market could be interesting. Stocks could be real (tied to actual stock data) or just simulated Gaelan > On May 25, 2017, at 11:01 PM, Quazie wrote: > > I ENCOURAGE someone to come up with an interesting proposal competition. > > I SUGGEST that the economy is an interesting objective. > I SUGGEST that judicial reform is an interesting objective. > I SUGGEST that theming the game is an interesting objective. > > How in the world have we not had a Proposal Competition since all this > activity began? > > How in the world are we not continually attempting to start proposal > competitions? > > They seem so neat, and powerful, and were somehow missed by the economy > overhaul for proposal distribution. (Though maybe that was intentional?) >
Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
Am 26.05.2017 um 08:01 schrieb Quazie: I ENCOURAGE someone to come up with an interesting proposal competition. I SUGGEST that the economy is an interesting objective. I SUGGEST that judicial reform is an interesting objective. I SUGGEST that theming the game is an interesting objective. How in the world have we not had a Proposal Competition since all this activity began? How in the world are we not continually attempting to start proposal competitions? They seem so neat, and powerful, and were somehow missed by the economy overhaul for proposal distribution. (Though maybe that was intentional?) I think more theming would be absolutely great. In the history of Agora, have there been any religion themed rulesystems? I think this might be an interesting theme to explore. Veggiekeks
Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
They are a weekly free distribution of all competition proposals. They bypass pending and they bypass the economy. There is no limit to the number of proposals one may submit. On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 05:06 CuddleBeam wrote: > >Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful. > > > I... don't see how proposal competitions are particularly powerful. > > > I might be missing something though. > >
Re: DIS: Wow - Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful.
>Proposal Competitions are crazy powerful. I... don't see how proposal competitions are particularly powerful. I might be missing something though.
