Re: Proto: Specified Crime not Rule Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Referee Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 10:57 AM nix via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> On 12/20/20 9:43 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
> wrote:
> > Title: Specified Crime not Rule
> > Authors: PSS, nix
> > Power: 1.7
> > Text: {
> > Amend Rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice" by replacing the first paragraph
> > with the following:
> >A player CAN by announcement, but subject to the provisions of
> >this rule, Point eir Finger at a person (the perp) who plays the
> >game; the announcement has to explicitly name the perp, cite a
> >specific rule or named crime, and specify an alleged violation of
> >that rule or commission of that crime by that person.
> > [ This will allow someone to use the name of a crime without specifying
> > which rule defines it. ]
> > }
>
> What's the difference between "a person who plays the game" and
> "player"? Is there a reason you chose that verbiage?
It's not new, it's IIRC carried over from the current structure. It was one
of my worse ideas, and oh boy do I have a lot of bad ideas. Basically I was
trying to make non-players who do player-like things punishable. It was a
mess, and we got rid of it, but this bit remained. I agree it should be
removed.
-Aris
Re: Proto: Specified Crime not Rule Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Referee Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
On 12/20/20 9:43 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business
wrote:
> Title: Specified Crime not Rule
> Authors: PSS, nix
> Power: 1.7
> Text: {
> Amend Rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice" by replacing the first paragraph
> with the following:
>A player CAN by announcement, but subject to the provisions of
>this rule, Point eir Finger at a person (the perp) who plays the
>game; the announcement has to explicitly name the perp, cite a
>specific rule or named crime, and specify an alleged violation of
>that rule or commission of that crime by that person.
> [ This will allow someone to use the name of a crime without specifying
> which rule defines it. ]
> }
What's the difference between "a person who plays the game" and
"player"? Is there a reason you chose that verbiage?
Also I don't think it hurts to include it but I also don't think "but
subject to the provisions of this rule" is necessary.
--
Webmastor, Ministor
Re: Proto: Specified Crime not Rule Re: DIS: Re: BUS: @Referee Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:19:39AM -0500, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion wrote:
> On 12/6/20 7:01 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:
> >
> > On 12/6/20 5:57 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> >> On 12/6/20 6:56 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:
> >>> I point a finger at me for Tardiness on the Webmastor report.
> >>>
> >>> I point a finger at G. for Tardiness on the Coopor report.
> >>
> >> Maybe doesn't work for lack of a rule specification:
> >>
> >>>A player CAN by announcement, but subject to the provisions of
> >>>this rule, Point eir Finger at a person (the perp) who plays the
> >>>game; the announcement has to explicitly name the perp and cite a
> >>>specific rule and an alleged violation of that rule by that
> >>>person.
> >> --
> >> Jason Cobb
> >>
> >> Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
> >>
> > Well that's obtuse. Why do we name the crimes if the names aren't
> > sufficient identifiers?
> >
> > If I didn't already do so in my last message, I point a finger at me for
> > Tardiness on the Webmastor report, citing rule 2143.
> >
> > If I didn't already do so in my last message, I point a finger at G. for
> > Tardiness on the Coopor report, citing rule 2143.
> >
>
> We made it that specific after someone had made very vague accusations.
>
> Title: Specified Crime not Rule
> Authors: PSS, nix
> Power: 1.7
> Text: {
> Amend Rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice" by replacing the first paragraph
> with the following:
> A player CAN by announcement, but subject to the provisions of
> this rule, Point eir Finger at a person (the perp) who plays the
> game; the announcement has to explicitly name the perp and cite a
> specific rule and an alleged violation of that rule by that
> person or a named crime alleged to have been committed by that
> person.
I had a bit of trouble parsing the part after the semicolon (maybe due
to "and ... and ... or" without bracketing). Also your phrasing doesn't
require the Pointer to point out how the perp committed the crime (in
the case of a rule they have to include "an alleged violation"). How
about
...the announcement has to explicitly name the perp, cite a
specific rule or named crime, and specify an alleged violation of
that rule or commission of that crime by that person.
--
Falsifian
