RE: AI-GEOSTATS: Filtering the influence of a leaking component in a 5 componets decomposition process

2007-09-13 Thread Glover, Tim
If it's that clear a feature, can you model it with a polynomial surface
and then subtract that from the data and work with the de-trended
residuals?

Tim Glover
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Geoscience Department Atlanta Area 
MACTEC Engineering and Consulting, Inc.
Kennesaw, Georgia, USA
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Subject: AI-GEOSTATS: Filtering the influence of a leaking component in
a 5 componets decomposition process

Hello everyone,

I don't have much experience in geostatistics and that's why I'm trying 
to get some advice from anyone with a better understanding in this 
matter. Even when I'm mentioning some specific terms they can be 
considered as any general variable, X and Y coordinates and a, b, c, d, 
e variables.

I have a dataset (in my case seismic data) which is decomposed using the

Gauss-Seidel method into five different components (source, receiver, 
shot, cmp and line). This decomposition is based on the contribution of 
each component to a final measured value (let's call it global
amplitude)

What I get at the end are five tables with XY coordinates and the 
corresponding value for each location (component amplitude). When I plot

a map of XY coordinates vs the decomposed value (source) I can see that 
another component (cmp or geology) is leaking into the component I want 
to work on. This is, an underground river is interfering so much in the 
"global amplitudes", and the component of interest (source) is being 
affected by this strong response. Is nothing else but getting a map with

green colors (because I'm not expecting much viriations in the component

of interest) and a strong red lines with the shape of this river.

What I want to do is to remove or filter this component (source) and 
make it statistically consistent with the rest of the survey. I have 
smoothed the data but this means spreading this undesired values around 
the survey, and also set a maximum limit allowed for my "component 
amplitudes" but then i'm taking away usefull values from other
locations.

Can anyone suggest a method to perform this filtering? is there any? 
something like location consistent statistical analysis? Please give me 
a hand with this...

Thaks for your help,

   Ricardo

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AI-GEOSTATS: Filtering the influence of a leaking component in a 5 componets decomposition process

2007-09-13 Thread Ricardo Centeno

Hello everyone,

I don't have much experience in geostatistics and that's why I'm trying 
to get some advice from anyone with a better understanding in this 
matter. Even when I'm mentioning some specific terms they can be 
considered as any general variable, X and Y coordinates and a, b, c, d, 
e variables.


I have a dataset (in my case seismic data) which is decomposed using the 
Gauss-Seidel method into five different components (source, receiver, 
shot, cmp and line). This decomposition is based on the contribution of 
each component to a final measured value (let's call it global amplitude)


What I get at the end are five tables with XY coordinates and the 
corresponding value for each location (component amplitude). When I plot 
a map of XY coordinates vs the decomposed value (source) I can see that 
another component (cmp or geology) is leaking into the component I want 
to work on. This is, an underground river is interfering so much in the 
"global amplitudes", and the component of interest (source) is being 
affected by this strong response. Is nothing else but getting a map with 
green colors (because I'm not expecting much viriations in the component 
of interest) and a strong red lines with the shape of this river.


What I want to do is to remove or filter this component (source) and 
make it statistically consistent with the rest of the survey. I have 
smoothed the data but this means spreading this undesired values around 
the survey, and also set a maximum limit allowed for my "component 
amplitudes" but then i'm taking away usefull values from other locations.


Can anyone suggest a method to perform this filtering? is there any? 
something like location consistent statistical analysis? Please give me 
a hand with this...


Thaks for your help,

  Ricardo

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Re: AI-GEOSTATS: modelling and goodness of fit

2007-09-13 Thread Isobel Clark
Andrea
   
  We use Cressie's goodness of fit statistic which allows for number of pairs 
and other factors in semi-veriogram fitting. You can find a paper of his in 
Methematical Geology around 1992, or in his book. It is also illustrated in our 
free tutorial material at www.kriging.com
   
  Isobel

Andrea Sciarretta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
  I’m working on variogram modelling and in the majority of cases only R2 is 
available to evaluate the best-fit values, but in cases of non-linear 
functions, it is very criticized.
   Are there other standard methods to evaluate the goodness of a fit of a 
non-linear function (for example asymptotic confidence intervals) and how to 
calculate them, considering that the majority of geostatistical software do not 
perform any alternative coefficient?
  Thank you
  Andrea
   
   
   




Re: AI-GEOSTATS: modelling and goodness of fit

2007-09-13 Thread Edzer J. Pebesma

Andrea, have you considered maximum likelihood fitting?
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Edzer

Andrea Sciarretta wrote:


Hi,

I’m working on variogram modelling and in the majority of cases only 
R2 is available to evaluate the best-fit values, but in cases of 
non-linear functions, it is very criticized.


Are there other standard methods to evaluate the goodness of a fit of 
a non-linear function (for example asymptotic confidence intervals) 
and how to calculate them, considering that the majority of 
geostatistical software do not perform any alternative coefficient?


Thank you

Andrea


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AI-GEOSTATS: modelling and goodness of fit

2007-09-13 Thread Andrea Sciarretta
Hi,

I'm working on variogram modelling and in the majority of cases only R2 is
available to evaluate the best-fit values, but in cases of non-linear
functions, it is very criticized.

 Are there other standard methods to evaluate the goodness of a fit of a
non-linear function (for example asymptotic confidence intervals) and how to
calculate them, considering that the majority of geostatistical software do
not perform any alternative coefficient?

Thank you

Andrea