[sw-issues] [Issue 99446] Rotation doesn't work for Bidi chars in non-Bidi version

2010-11-24 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from shai2plato...@openoffice.org Wed Nov 24 
21:32:03 + 2010 ---
... and now that I'm home, also still broken on Debian sid, in interesting ways.

First, the technicalities:

OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 
OOO320m19 (Build:9505)
ooo-build 3.2.1.4, Debian package 1:3.2.1-9

The brokenness:

1) Opeing the test document, both RTL strings appear horizontal. They are both
set to be 90 degrees rotated (in Format -> Character... -> Position). They are
both in LTR paragraphs.

2) Changing the paragraph direction to RTL immediately rotates the strings, but
LTR characters appended to it show up in "visual" order (that is, RTL in the
order they were typed; numbers and English words are reversed).

3) Prepending LTR characters to the paragraph makes things even weirder: Strong
LTR characters are un-rotated, weak LTR (digits) are rotated after the RTL but
horizontal before it. LTR characters before the first RTL character appear in
correct BiDi order, but LTR characters after it are in RTL visual order.

This behavior is pretty much the same as what I saw on OpenSuSE.

As Dotan noted, the summary of this bug is misleading: Rotation doesn't quite
work whenever a character in the rotated paragraph doesn't match its direction,
regardless of the product version.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 99446] Rotation doesn't work for Bidi chars in non-Bidi version

2010-11-24 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from shai2plato...@openoffice.org Wed Nov 24 
13:28:53 + 2010 ---
Still broken for me on OpenSuSE:

OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 
OOO320m19 (Build:9505)
ooo-build 3.2.1.6

from SuSE's "OpenOffice.org STABLE" repository:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/OpenOffice.org:/STABLE/openSUSE_11.1/

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[graphics-issues] [Issue 112292] LTR documents opening as RTL

2010-06-12 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from shai2plato...@openoffice.org Sun Jun 13 
05:39:20 + 2010 ---
Dotan, you need to add a screenshot showing what's wrong. On my system, where
the default is LTR, the presentation looks fine.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 99446] Rotation doesn't work for Bidi chars in non-Bidi version

2010-03-03 Thread shai2platonix
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User shai2platonix changed the following:

What|Old value |New value

  CC|'mru,rainerbielefeld' |'mru,rainerbielefeld,shai2
|  |platonix'





--- Additional comments from shai2plato...@openoffice.org Wed Mar  3 
11:24:27 + 2010 ---
In response to mru: As the duplicate bug exemplifies, LTR text in RTL paragraphs
is very common for RTL users, because numerals are LTR. I still wouldn't call a
problem with rotated text a "stopper", but you seem to make it more marginal
than it really is.

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[sc-issues] [Issue 26009] Calc sheets should *all* b e formatted RTL by default in Hebrew document

2010-02-27 Thread shai2platonix
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  CC|'ayaniger,hennerdrewes,kap|'ayaniger,hennerdrewes,kap
|lan'  |lan,shai2platonix'





--- Additional comments from shai2plato...@openoffice.org Sat Feb 27 
21:59:12 + 2010 ---
I think the bug as reported is wrong. It is not enough that the default CTL
language is RTL; for many Hebrew users (yours truly included), the default CTL
language is Hebrew, but the UI language is still English, the spreadsheets are
LTR by default, and that's the way we like them.

It is true that if the UI language is set to Hebrew (or any other RTL language),
the sheets should default to RTL as well. But the default CTL language is too
weak of an indication.

The bug -- whether you use yba's spec of a correct behavior or mine -- is still
present in 3.2.0 on Debian.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 90306] Word DOC set to Read Only

2008-06-12 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 12 10:05:57 + 
2008 ---
It's a pity that you chose to open the newer bug and close the older one us
duplicate -- you broke references. See e.g.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477653, which I think has some
level of automatic updates (and which contains another confirmation of the 
problem).



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[sc-issues] [Issue 87970] Hebrew Characters in Sprea dsheet Names Became Misdisplayed

2008-05-22 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu May 22 22:08:59 + 
2008 ---
I just checked, and I think I'm on to something:

1) In OpenOffice, I can see the problem only with the DejaVu Sans font (to test
quickly: in writer, write a few hebrew words, select them, and open the
"Format->Character" dialog. In this dialog, you can see how the text will look
as you select the font).

2) So I suspected there was something wrong with the font, and tried to
reproduce in KWord. No go -- in KWord, everything stays fine

3) Then I noticed a difference in the font selection dialogs -- the list of
typefaces (KWord calls them "font styles"). OpenOffice has "Extralight", "Book",
and combinations from the set { Condensed, Bold, Oblique }, whereas KWord has  
{ Light, Regular, Bold } x { Italic, (not italic) }. These lists change from
font to font, in both programs; I don't know how consistent the lists are in all
the fonts.

4) Actually, the problem is only in the ExtraLight typeface; it is the first in
the list and selected by default when DejaVu Sans is selected. Again, I can't
say if other fonts have problematic typefaces which aren't the font's default
typeface.

For non-Hebrew users who want to test, and need a couple of Hebrew words to
paste into a doc, here: כמה מלים בעברית.



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[sw-issues] [Issue 86811] WW8: arabic/hindi numbers instead of decimal numbers

2008-04-25 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 25 19:31:11 + 
2008 ---
@mba:

The way I understand it, Word does not actually provide the Unicode code of the
character, but, for numerals, just the ASCII code for the equivalent Arabic
(western) numeral and a context specifying the language. If that is the case,
and the spec ignores languages other than Arabic, numbers in all such languages
will be translated to western numerals on import -- because Word would display
(5,farsi) as an upside-down heart (U+06f5), while OOo would only see the 5.

If Word did store Unicode characters, this whole issue would be moot, wouldn't 
it?

To my regret, I cannot produce a test doc -- as I said, I am not a Farsi user.

@hennerdrewes:

Of course you are right, Word import and Windows IME are two instances of the
same problem.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 86811] WW8: arabic/hindi numbers instead of decimal numbers

2008-04-25 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 25 14:59:16 + 
2008 ---
@mba: Yes and no. 

A. I was talking about Farsi numerals, not western numerals in Farsi documents.
I trust that the latter are not marked as Arabic or Farsi characters in .doc 
files.

B. My comment was wrong: The current spec will not cause Farsi numerals to turn
into Hindi, but into Arabic (western) numerals. 

I suspect that would be sub-optimal too, though I'm not a Farsi user. Judging by
the preferences UI, though, Farsi numerals are probably not supported by
OpenOffice.org at all, so there's bigger problems than .doc imports there.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 88677] Content fixed as protected in imported Word document

2008-04-24 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 24 09:16:14 + 
2008 ---
Created an attachment (id=53163)
Word 2007 -> OOo 2.3(win) -> OOo 2.3(Ubuntu) -> Current


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[sw-issues] [Issue 88677] Content fixed as protected in imported Word document

2008-04-24 Thread shai2platonix
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 Issue #|88677
 Summary|Content fixed as protected in imported Word document
   Component|Word processor
 Version|OOo 2.4.0
Platform|PC
 URL|
  OS/Version|Linux
  Status|UNCONFIRMED
   Status whiteboard|
Keywords|
  Resolution|
  Issue type|DEFECT
Priority|P3
Subcomponent|open-import
 Assigned to|mru
 Reported by|shai2platonix





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Apr 24 09:13:02 + 
2008 ---
In the document I am going to attach, when I try to edit in OpenOffice Writer
2.4.0 (Debian unstable), every character I type is greeted with the infamous
"Readonly content cannot be changed. No modifications will be accepted" message
box. This usually means some section is marked as protected, but that doesn't
seem to be the case. I tried protecting all sections (which worked) and then
un-protecting them (which worked), but I still could not edit the text. I could
find no way to make any change in 2.4.0.

The document was originally created in MS Word 2007, saved in a .doc (older MS
Word) format, and then edited in OpenOffice Writer 2.3 (first on Windows XP,
then Ubuntu Gutsy). It looks funny because I sanitized it (in 2.3), but this,
almost-empty version, still triggers the problem.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 86811] WW8: arabic/hindi numbers instead of decimal numbers

2008-04-22 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr 22 10:33:09 + 
2008 ---
I don't know if the current implementation follows the current specification,
but if it does, it is incomplete -- we're likely to see a bug soon, calling
"arabic/hindi numbers instead of persian/east-hindi numbers". Granted, this bug
is a lot less severe (as 7 of the figure glyphs are actually the same), but 
still.

I added this as an open issue in the specification.

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[l10n-issues] [Issue 79690] booklet printing is backwa rds with RTL documents

2008-04-14 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Apr 14 22:53:51 + 
2008 ---
I just checked this on 2.4.0. There is now a "RTL" checkbox next to the
"brochure" (which I assume is what used to be "booklet printing") checkbox in
the printing options, and checking it produces correct booklets.

Upon more careful reading: I think the bug is a "user error"; the user expected
the page direction in Format->Page to affect the order of pages in a booklet,
when it only affects the single page -- for page ordering, there's a different
setting (at least there is now; I don't know how 'old' that setting is).

Even if the RTL setting for booklet printing was already present at 2.0 when the
bug was reported, I'm calling this "user error" with quotes, because this is a
case of misleading UI: one only expects to tell the software "this document is
RTL" once.

Perhaps it is better to close the functionality bug and open a usability bug
instead.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 86811] WW8: arabic numbers instea d of decimal numbers

2008-04-02 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr  2 22:24:32 + 
2008 ---
barad: 
1. I assume when you speak of "distro" you mean the interface language -- well,
while it is safe to assume users who choose this interface will understand
Arabic (Western) numerals, it is NOT safe to assume that having Hindu numerals
converted to Western is acceptable to them. This is the assumption you make when
you propose that under English interface, it is better to err on the side of
Western numerals; this is what I called wrong-headed.

2. You seem to miss the Unicode point entirely. Part of the problem is that
while MSOffice represents characters in 8-bits encodings, where numbers are only
encoded once, and the difference between 3 and ٣ is mainly one of font; OOo
keeps texts in Unicode, where 3 and ٣ are different characters. If there is a
font which is A) Unicode, and so fit for use in OOo and B) the character '3'
gets the graphic form ٣, then that font is buggy and needs to be killed. In OOo,
you CANNOT turn a '3' into a '٣' by changing the font.

3. The problem, as far as I have seen, is actually not with English files --
it's with Hebrew files. If you follow mba's links, you'll find that the problem
-- apparently -- is that the current implementation decides that any CTL-enabled
.doc file should use Hindu numerals; most English docs are not CTL-enabled. Do
you think you'd see mostly Israelis on this bug if the bug showed on English doc
files?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 86811] WW8: arabic numbers instea d of decimal numbers

2008-04-02 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr  2 21:28:01 + 
2008 ---
barad said: """
A document originally intended to display Hindu numerals would still be legible
if the numerals were converted to decimal, and the problem easily corrected by
using an appropriate font.
"""

This is wrong factually (a big part of the point is that OOo keeps the text in
Unicode, and I really hope there is no Unicode font which gives U+0033 -- Arabic
numeral 3 -- the form ٣). 

Unless you happen to be a native-level Arabic or Farsi user (I'm assuming you
aren't), this is also wrong-headed; don't tell other people what's important to
them.

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[sw-issues] [Issue 86811] WW8: arabic numbers instea d of decimal numbers

2008-04-02 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr  2 18:39:59 + 
2008 ---
mba and kzamir:

First, kzamir is mostly right about the spec: although there are other languages
which also use Hindi digits (like Farsi), having the number characters marked
CTL should not be enough to make them Hindi.

Second, I didn't realize that RegardHindiDigits referred to the option setting
that appears in kzamir's screenshots. I just tried it, and I can't make that
string appear in any of the openoffice configuration file (even when the setting
is changed as in the screenshot). Further, I don't have any Writer.xcs file (or
any other .xcs file), I have Writer.xcu, but as said, it doesn't have a
RegardHindiDigits string in it. Or, for that matter, FilterFlags or WW8. I'm
using 2.4.0~rc6 on Debian unstable.

I would expect, indeed, that when someone says "I want to use Hindi digits" (as
kzamir seems to have done), all digits would be Hindi. mba, How is a user
supposed to control RegardHindiDigits?

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[sw-issues] [Issue 86811] WW8: arabic numbers instea d of decimal numbers

2008-04-01 Thread shai2platonix
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Apr  1 12:01:11 + 
2008 ---
While I agree that this should be highly prioritized, I don't think we should
argue for linux-distro issues on a OOo bug. If you want to stop your distro from
moving to an OOo version with this bug, file a bug in the distro, like this one:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/210204. 

If enough of the distros agree to hold the OOo version for it, this will add
pressure to fix it quick.

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