[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 10 09:14:46 + 2009 --- @cl: thanks for the encouraging words. I think I'll indeed go wasting my time somewhere else... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Tue Jun 9 08:47:58 + 2009 --- @thb: before you waste more of you precious time, putting a hard formatted bullet item into a paragraph to change its indention is not an option. I'm puzzled how you use the sacredness of the style concept in one issue to argue against my solution but in this issue you put hard items into the paragraph for no reason but to mimic an old behavior and because It's the cheap way to go. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 8 09:23:14 + 2009 --- Older versions of Writer did not show any indent of numberings inside the ruler and Writer did not recognised the paragraph indent in bullet list/numberings. This has been hanged with 2.x. Please see the following specs for details: http://specs.openoffice.org/writer/numbering/NumberingBullet1.sxw and http://specs.openoffice.org/writer/numbering/NewListLevelAttrs.odt Frank, thanks for the spec links. Unfortunately they don't mention ruler behaviour at all, so I still maintain my position that ruler behaviour (in Impress) was changed in 3.0 without spec (and likely without giving enough thought on the impact this has on usability). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 8 09:29:09 + 2009 --- Only changing the indentation level does *not* change the bullet, that is the whole point of the feature that our internal bullet has a *representation* for all 10 indentation levels. This is typical symptom fixing without understanding the root cause @cl: Thank you. Now, would you please either give a step-by-step instruction of what you did what from you point of view is shreddered afterwards, or attach a bugdoc? I'm apparently incapable of grasping the problem otherwise, and this starts to be a waste of time... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 8 14:44:03 + 2009 --- - Apply patch to impress - create new impress - select Title, Text layout - insert 3 paragraphs into the outline shape - select all 3 paragraphs and assign a numbering now you should have (1. xxx 2.xxx 3. xxx ) - select paragraph 2 and use the ctrl click on ruler to change indent now you have (1. xxx 1.xxx 2.xxx) I was still not able to get hold of a writer developer to explain me how much of the current bullet behavior is a bug and what parts of it are considered a feature. Anyhow this ends I still consider it an error to hard set a numbering item just to change the paragraphs indent. For user experience I may be ok with having the indent from the bullet added to the ui placement of the ruler triangles, but changing only the lrspace item, not the bullet if something is changed. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Mon Jun 8 21:36:49 + 2009 --- @cl: Ah! You were referring to numbering! Yep, confirming the problem now, will cook up a fix. Regarding the mapping of ruler indent to items - not much preference here, I chose a simple solution that appears to work, surely the heuristic can be made much smarter. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 5 10:10:58 + 2009 --- Yep. To be specific, that's what I did: select title/text layout, type a few multi-line paragraphs into the outline box, each of them at a different indentation level (which by itself ends up in different bullets used). Only changing the indentation level does *not* change the bullet, that is the whole point of the feature that our internal bullet has a *representation* for all 10 indentation levels. This is typical symptom fixing without understanding the root cause - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User ka changed the following: What|Old value |New value Target milestone|--- |OOo 3.x --- Additional comments from k...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 5 16:18:57 + 2009 --- However the result will be, I set a target of 3.x for this task, even if rejected for valid reasons and agreed. Maybe you both should involve UX in this case to get some other opinions regarding the right behaviour. I really don't know what's the best solution for our 'usual' customer base. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User fl changed the following: What|Old value |New value Target milestone|OOo 3.x |--- --- Additional comments from f...@openoffice.org Fri Jun 5 16:39:37 + 2009 --- FL: I just have tried the bullets behavior in Impress to understand this issue. I just want to drop some notes: * Manual bullet lists inside a text object do not support the Demote/Promote buttons in the shown toolbar. They are just disabled. These buttons should be enabled. Often increasing indent is used to 'manually' demote a bullet list as we have seen in tests. * Currently there is no 'Width of numbering' set for the first bullet level. So the default bullet created within a text object has no space between bullet and text. This looks like an error to me. Level 2-9 are set to 0,6cm by default which looks much nicer. Older versions of Writer did not show any indent of numberings inside the ruler and Writer did not recognised the paragraph indent in bullet list/numberings. This has been hanged with 2.x. Please see the following specs for details: http://specs.openoffice.org/writer/numbering/NumberingBullet1.sxw and http://specs.openoffice.org/writer/numbering/NewListLevelAttrs.odt - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User thb changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'af' |'af,fl' Status|CLOSED|REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME| --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Thu Jun 4 07:26:41 + 2009 --- the current ruler behavior in impress is consistent to writer Nope. Just try higher outline levels, and you'll notice the difference. Given the fact that the ruler even paints a little vertical helper line, this is totally broken. and can be considered a fix to pre OOo 3.0 versions. Yeah, right. The ruler behaviour was soo totally broken before. It is a new and documented feature of OOo 3.0 that bullet and paragraph indents are now independent, like in writer and like specified in odf. What does that have to do with ruler behaviour? The triangles in the ruler are there to change the indents of the selected paragraphs, not to change the bullets. That's spec-ed where? It was *not* like that in 3.0 Impress (and, case in point, in PPT). And it's complete nonsense, usability-wise, to have it work like that, just because the implementation suggests doing it. No-one in his right mind changes first line indents in Impress - because afterwards the text looks like shit. The only sensible thing to change is the bullet/text distance, and otherwise keep the left indents flushed. By the way, the supplied patch shredders the users document if he selects more than one paragraph... Oh? Not here - what exactly did you do, and what do you mean by shreddered? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User cl changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Thu Jun 4 12:29:24 + 2009 --- The ruler is about changing the paragraph indent, not the bullet, as it is in writer, as it is in calc. Powerpoint has no such feature as bullets, it emulates bullets by using the paragraph indention (and some other tricks). Impress since 3.0 uses bullets as specified by ODF and does not use any hacks. No-one in his right mind changes first line indents in Impress - because afterwards the text looks like shit. The only sensible thing to change is the bullet/text distance, and otherwise keep the left indents flushed. So user who use first line indents in impress are out of their minds ? Sorry, I don't discuss on this level. Read some books about text formatting and try to understand why the ODF bullet feature is superior to that of PowerPoint. And about that patch, just imagine you select more than one paragraph and those paragraphs have different bullets and different levels... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User cl changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Thu Jun 4 12:30:26 + 2009 --- closing - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User thb changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'af,fl' |'af,fl,wg' Status|CLOSED|REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME| --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Thu Jun 4 13:48:05 + 2009 --- Just try higher outline levels, and you'll notice the difference. Given the fact that the ruler even paints a little vertical helper line, this is totally broken. Christian, did you actually try this? I cannot seriously believe you keep closing this bug as worksforme - it is *not* behaving the same as in Writer. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Thu Jun 4 14:26:43 + 2009 --- With my most obvious grudge set aside, let's move on to the details: The ruler is about changing the paragraph indent, not the bullet, as it is in writer, as it is in calc. Yes. You keep saying that. And I say that it a) does not make sense in Impress b) is totally different to pre-3.0 times, and to PPT Powerpoint has no such feature as bullets, it emulates bullets by using the paragraph indention (and some other tricks). Impress since 3.0 uses bullets as specified by ODF and does not use any hacks. Again: in which way does that imply ruler behaviour? A UI controller can change whatever internal representation it likes, the decision about what *exactly* is one about usability, no? So user who use first line indents in impress are out of their minds? Sorry, I don't discuss on this level. Read some books about text formatting and try to understand why the ODF bullet feature is superior to that of PowerPoint. Sorry for being very direct in my previous statement - I think I have a fair understanding of text formatting concepts (but feel free to suggest additional reading). Still, what does the superiority of the odf bullet implementation have to do with what a specific UI controller manipulates? And going back to my offensive statement - you are seriously saying users will more often have to modify first line indentation, than bullet distance? That would imply most paragraphs in Impress break up into 3 or more lines, because with 2 lines having first line indent differ from left indent looks like shit (yes, I mean it). Even with 3+ lines, nobody with any sense of aesthetics would use first line indent in a bulleted paragraph - it's simply overdoing, the bullet itself is visual clue enough for a new paragraph. Concluding, I definitely challenge your opinion that the new ruler behaviour (ruler behaviour, not the change to the bullet/indent implementation) is an improvement in *any* way. And about that patch, just imagine you select more than one paragraph and those paragraphs have different bullets and different levels... Christian, did you actually try this? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Thu Jun 4 15:29:57 + 2009 --- a deeper compare with writer is currently not possible as it looks like the writer has some serious regression with numbering since 3.1. Have to clarify with writer team about that. And about that patch, just imagine you select more than one paragraph and those paragraphs have different bullets and different levels... Christian, did you actually try this? Did you? multiple paragraphs selected, different indention, different bullets - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Thu Jun 4 16:28:48 + 2009 --- Did you? multiple paragraphs selected, different indention, different bullets Yep. To be specific, that's what I did: select title/text layout, type a few multi-line paragraphs into the outline box, each of them at a different indentation level (which by itself ends up in different bullets used). Ctrl-A, moved the ruler sliders. Behaviour: exactly the same as without the patch. ;) - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User cl changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 3 12:14:44 + 2009 --- the current ruler behavior in impress is consistent to writer and can be considered a fix to pre OOo 3.0 versions. It is a new and documented feature of OOo 3.0 that bullet and paragraph indents are now independent, like in writer and like specified in odf. The triangles in the ruler are there to change the indents of the selected paragraphs, not to change the bullets. By the way, the supplied patch shredders the users document if he selects more than one paragraph... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User cl changed the following: What|Old value |New value Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Wed Jun 3 12:16:20 + 2009 --- closing - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 Issue #|101269 Summary|Fix for the post-3.0 ruler behaviour Component|Presentation Version|current Platform|All URL| OS/Version|All Status|NEW Status whiteboard| Keywords| Resolution| Issue type|PATCH Priority|P3 Subcomponent|code Assigned to|cl Reported by|thb --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 22 11:34:45 + 2009 --- Following up on http://graphics.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=devmsgNo=1531, and assuming no response meant there is no rationale - here's a fix that restores the previous UI behaviour. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[graphics-issues] [Issue 101269] Fix for the post-3.0 rule r behaviour
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=101269 User thb changed the following: What|Old value |New value Attachment is patch| |Created an attachment (id= | |61727) a fix --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Wed Apr 22 11:35:41 + 2009 --- Created an attachment (id=61727) a fix - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@graphics.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@graphics.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
