[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2006-03-23 Thread of
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Mar 23 04:10:14 -0800 
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We should even think about deleting the compressed download file. This is
useless after uncompressing it and can be removed.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2006-03-08 Thread of
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar  8 00:44:08 -0800 
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*** Issue 62883 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2006-03-08 Thread atdsm
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar  8 05:39:06 -0800 
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I opened an issue about this in issue 62883 (now marked a duplicate), but then I
was pointed to this issue. I will therefore post comments here.

If I may add some comments from a user's point of view:

-To a user, I would guess that the repair thing is not their first thought.
(It wasn't mine.) The first thought is, why didn't OOo delete these files? We
don't need them anymore.
-In other words, unzipping the files on the Desktop and then leaving them there
looks to the user like OOo didn't clean up after itself. Users like me are
likely to delete the files themselves to free up space. Then, the repair
option won't work AND it is a nusaince to the user to have to delete the
installation files manually.
-Unzipping the files elsewhere hides them from the user and is acceptable. But
this can still start to use up drive space quickly if the user keeps installing
new versions of OOo. This is especially true for QA volunteers who install the
next release every couple of weeks. 80 MB is not a lot of space, but 80*10 = 800
MB is a full CD's worth. As a QA volunteer, I can easily accumulate that much
space used in 4 months of OOo development releases. Maybe a solution would be to
have the installer remove previous installation files? Maybe it already does
this? I always delete them myself, so I don't know, but it seems like if the
installation files might be anywhere, the installer wouldn't know where to
delete old installation files from.
-If repair is a concern, can OOo ask up-front where OOo itself will be installed
(not just where the installation files will be unzipped), then unzip the
installation files to a subdirectory of the target directory? Then the
installation files are always available for repair and always in a standard
location. Also, the user does not have to get the unsightly files off his/her
desktop.
-For example, first screen shows Where would you like to install OpenOffice?
and has a target C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org\. Then, the installer unzips
to C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org\Repair\ and runs setup from there. Setup
then installs to C:\Program Files\OpenOffice.org\ automatically, without
asking the user a second time where the program should be installed. I am not a
programmer, so I don't know how feasable this is to do. But it would be nice for
the end user to not have to worry about it.
-Alternatively, you could just make it optional for the user to delete the files
after installation. For an visual representation of this, see my attachment to
issue 62883.

Steve

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-12-11 Thread floeff
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Dec 11 09:47:52 -0800 
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Please keep in mind that for distribution software on a Windows network, getting
access to the plain MSI files is *A MUST*. Anything else is just a pain in the 
ass.

Looking at the fact that we currently don't have a transformation wizard for
OOo, but only for SO8 (on the enterprise CD), network installation doesn't make
much fun at the moment. But if getting the plain MSIs will get harder (i.e.
running installer and then getting the MSIs out of the temp directory), this is
no option.

At least, please offer a ZIP download so one could get the MSI packages.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-11-24 Thread of
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Nov 23 00:30:41 -0800 
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The easiest way to locate a folder is to place it on the desktop. If the user
thinks that ?:\Installation Files\OpenOffice.orgversion will be better he
has the chance to change it.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-11-24 Thread kami_
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 24 14:57:22 -0800 
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OK, I must agree :o)

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-11-23 Thread kami_
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Nov 21 17:34:34 -0800 
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What about to put Installation files into defaultly a folder under root drive
like this:
C:\Installation Files\OpenOffice.orgversion

Pros: It easy to locate it under Windows, Not dependent on one user's profile,
MOS2003 do the same thing

But we have to create the way to remove those files after the installation in
the Preinstaller.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-10-27 Thread of
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 27 00:37:36 -0700 
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*** Issue 56747 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-09-24 Thread arthit
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Sep 24 04:03:29 -0700 
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Location:

IF we really have to use NSIS, and the directory is really 
unmovable/undeletable,
then please put it somewhere else, NOT on the Desktop.
It can be in the /Windows folder, or newly created /Program 
Files/OpenOffice.org/setup 
or anything that is NOT the Desktop.

Q: Why ?
A: Periodically, Windows XP will ask the user to clear out unused icons 
(documents/folders) on the 
Desktop (or eventually it automatically do that for the user) -- so the path 
will broken.
(and this is a worst case scenario, Wasted disk space AND Cannot repair the 
setup -- at the same time!)


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-09-22 Thread kriz05
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Sep 22 16:38:43 -0700 
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I think the best way to handle the issue for 2.0 would be:

1. unpack to temp folder
2. install by calling setup
3. change 
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\PRODUCTC
ODE\ModifyPath to nsis installer exe
4. delete temp folder

Step 3 should be implemented inside downloadtemplate.nsi (I've never used NSIS 
but I'm sure it's possible) 

If some user selects AppWiz's modify/repair option then the downloaded nsis 
installer gets called offering all possibilities.



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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-09-18 Thread andreschnabel
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Sep 18 14:02:12 -0700 
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andreschnabel-pjanik:
all your concerns about wasting diskspace is easy to resolve, esp. when
installing from disk: don't use NSIS package. Put the plain (unzipped) msi
Installer on the disk and be happy. 

We can prevent most of the problems named here, when making NSIS not the 
default:
- no need to remove temporary install files
- no need to write special commandline interface
- easy reinstall / repair from original setup or windows control panel.


But .. for the current issue: If you provide NSIS and don't want to leave setup
files after installation, just make it optional and tell the user what they
might be usefull for.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-09-16 Thread pjanik
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User pjanik changed the following:

  What|Old value |New value

   Assigned to|mh|of

  Target milestone|OOo 2.0   |OOo Later





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Sep 16 04:38:44 -0700 
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change target to OOoLater.

I still think that repair can be done by downloading the same NSIS .exe file
again from the Internet (aka inserting the CD back).


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-09-16 Thread of
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User of changed the following:

  What|Old value |New value

   Assigned to|of|mh

Issue type|DEFECT|TASK





--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Sep 16 09:31:04 -0700 
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I think that 'You want to repair you office but you can't because of NSIS has 
deleted your files so download again the whole stuff and sorry if you only have 
a modem?' isn't a solution. I don't think that we should delete these unpacked 
files. Forcing someone to redownload is a mess and not offering a repair or 
modify also.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-10 Thread thing
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug 10 09:10:22 -0700 
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pjanik: 
You wrote Tue Aug 2 03:42:51 -0700 2005:
- you do not have a chance to run setup.exe with different parameters from NSIS
installer

I don't know if this is what you meant but command line parameters can be passed
from e.g. nsis.exe -p to setup.exe -p by using a premade function:
http://nsis.sourceforge.net/wiki/Get_command_line_parameters

Example available in the script in issue 4729.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-08 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug  8 12:36:05 -0700 
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Volker: what is your opinion?


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-08 Thread vq
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug  8 22:09:40 -0700 
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Greetings from Zion National Park, Utah :-)

 But as I already said: I'm no Windows expert. Only my logic tells me that
 installing 80+210 MB instead of 210MB is not the best solution.
Yes, but it's only 33% more. We could warn the user and say something like:
You can remove the unpacked installation files put directory here and gain
80 MB of harddisk space but you will lose the ability to select Change/Repair.
at the end of the NSIS installation.

 And the only
 reason being critial case of corrupted installation and the fact that the
 installation can be Reapired/Modified from the new run of NSIS .exe file.
  can't ?

Yes, that is unfortunate.

I really don't care that much about the extra harddisk space and I think the
majority of users will not download the nsis package but install the release
version from some CDs/DVDs that inevitably will be found in computer magazines.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-04 Thread kami_
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Aug  3 23:26:37 -0700 
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Another solution is to add command line interface. It does not require new ui
strings. For example if we specify /remove options for the installer it will
remove the unpacked installation package...
AFAIU the current situation is when you specify:
/S runs the installer or uninstaller silently. See section 4.12 for more 
information
switch the pre-installer will remove the unpacked files.
One note:
The lines:
RMDir /r $INSTDIR
RMDir $INSTDIR
is very very dangerous. That is why it step forward to InnoSetup (and for
another hundred reason). If you add a system like folder as extraction path it
will delete them all... We should avoid this type of attack :o)

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-04 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug  4 01:02:18 -0700 
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kami_: command line options are useless for typical user. He will simply click
on the exe file. Nothing else. We have to solve the situation for such user, not
for users who can run that installer from command line...


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-04 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug  4 02:08:45 -0700 
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Adding Ingo to CC:.


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-04 Thread is
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug  4 04:36:06 -0700 
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We have discussed this problem when we introduced the nsis installer.  And it is
true. For the Windows Installer the installation set is stored in that
directory, where nsis unpacked it. Therefore this installation set cannot be
removed because of the maintenance mode.
But this is not the CD problem. The nsis installation sets shall not be located
on a CD. There we use the installation sets without nsis. And in this case in
maintenance mode the CD is required. 
The nsis is only used for downloads. And in this cases the user has no CD and
threrefore needs to have the installation sets for the maintenance mode on his
harddisk. 


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-04 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Aug  4 07:06:02 -0700 
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Ingo: I think the decision was wrong.

I think much better way would be:

- disable Change/Repair in the Add or Remove Programs dialog *or* create simple
app to be called and display Please run Repair/Modify option from the
installation set.

- remove unpacked installation files after NSIS is finished

But as I already said: I'm no Windows expert. Only my logic tells me that
installing 80+210 MB instead of 210MB is not the best solution. And the only
reason being critial case of corrupted installation and the fact that the
installation can be Reapired/Modified from the new run of NSIS .exe file.


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-02 Thread of
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  2 03:24:35 -0700 
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of @ mh: I don't think it makes sense to remove the installation source after
unpacking. The setup modify and repair option needs these files and will fail if
they are removed. Therfore I would consider it as a bug to remove these files.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-02 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  2 03:42:51 -0700 
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IIUC it is as follows:

- if you want to run setup.exe manually something wrong hapenned and there is
big probablility that it doesn't happen right after the successfull installation
of OOo (only after successfull installation the unpacked directory is to be 
removed)

- you do not have a chance to run setup.exe with different parameters from NSIS
installer

- right now, after finishing the installation, all people have to manually
remove the directory where NSIS unpacked the source for the installation

Q: Is it possible to run setup.exe with setup modify or repair options
directly from the NSIS archive the same way as the correct installation is 
called?

I'll answer to myself. I have just tried running NSIS installer again after
complete successfull installation and removing the folder with installation
files completely. NSIS installer started and I'm now offered with the following
possibilities:

- Modify
- Repair
- Delete

(translated from cs back to en-US, so please try to imagine that dialog :-)

So it looks like it is completely OK to remove the files (even after
unsuccessfull installation), because setup.exe is intellingent enough.

of: Maybe you were describing all this with not having NSIS in your mind? I do
not want to remove OpenOffice.org_exe file, but the folder with installation
files (in my case, it was unpacked to Desktop).


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-02 Thread of
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  2 04:04:19 -0700 
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If you start the modify or repair option from the control panel 'Ad Remove
Software' you've lost. The installer can't find the .msi file and fails. 

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-02 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  2 04:11:19 -0700 
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I do not use Windows at all, so my question might look funny to you: is it
typical to copy DVD with the installation to the disk, install from there and
*not* remove the copied installation files?

If I understand you, you are writing that we have to leave the installation
files on the disk too?

In fact, yes, after removing the folder with unpacked installation files, I
can't finish the installation's repair or modify. I have to run the setup/repair
again from the NSIS .exe file.


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-02 Thread of
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  2 04:25:02 -0700 
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If the user installs from CD he usually knows that he has to insert the CD to
continue with the installation. While the setup is running with a (re)moved
installation source you'll get a messagebox the xyz.msi can't be found. The you
can point to the msi file (if it has moved). If you have the nsis file only, you
can't point anywhere to proceed.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-02 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  2 04:29:36 -0700 
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of: so in addition to install ~210MB on the disk, we will also ask user to keep
81MB directory somewhere?

They'll kill us...

I understand your technical reasons to leave them where they are, but I do not
think people will follow the rule to leave files on the disk. I predict that 99%
of all users will remove that directory after finishing the installation.

This report was create on the feedback of one such user (not me ;-).


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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  2 04:40:43 -0700 
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If users do it they do it on their own risk. At least it makes more sense to
remove the nsis file after unpacking just as it has been with the zip file
before. And in times of 80GB harddisks.

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-08-02 Thread kami_
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Aug  2 07:13:52 -0700 
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Hmm, interesting question
The windows installers usually do not store the full installer pack on the
users's system. But if you use an msi based installer, it may require the
availability of installation package.
If you want to add/modify/and sometimes remove the setup of OOo it may require
the unpacked installation set. So option without deleting is would be nice. But
the mass of users will remove that unpacked install set. In onther hand if you
start the distribution package it will start the setup again and ask for option
(modify/repair/delete).
The best solution would be if the users can make the dicision about deleting of
unpacked file.
You can review my way regarding this question:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=51780
Executable example:
http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/27825/OOo_1.9.106-en-US.zip
Hey,
KAMI

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[installation-issues] [Issue 49861] NSIS: remove the director y after the NSIS is finished

2005-07-28 Thread pjanik
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--- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jul 28 16:02:36 -0700 
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Looks like it is on purpose. Download template
setup_native/source/win32/nsis/downloadtemplate.nsi contains:

Section -Post

IfSilent onPostSilent onPostNoSilent

onPostSilent:
ExecWait $INSTDIR\setup.exe -lang $LANGUAGE /qr -ignore_running
RMDir /r $INSTDIR
RMDir $INSTDIR
GoTo onPostDone

onPostNoSilent:
Exec $INSTDIR\setup.exe -lang $LANGUAGE
Quit
GoTo onPostDone

onPostDone:

SectionEnd

And we are probably in NoSilent. Why? Shouldn't we add

RMDir /r $INSTDIR
RMDir $INSTDIR

to both branches? Or should we change to Silent?


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