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Re: amcheck timeout - dgram_recv timeouts...
Yes, I used to have the same problem. However, one day the problem disappeared and left me wondering what the cause of the problem was. Haven't had any trouble since. Are you backing up to disk or tape? inetd.conf? services file? I remember updating TAR on one of the machines back then, but I guess that is not likely to be the solution Has anyone seen this error message? amandad: time 29.994: dgram_recv: timeout after 30 seconds amandad: error receiving message: timeout amandad: time 29.994: error receiving message: timeout amandad: time 29.994: pid 11932 finish time Wed Nov 09:50:39 2003 Amanda 2.3.4b on Linux Thanks in advance! Michael __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree
Re: amcheck fails
Am Donnerstag, 6. November 2003 17:31 schrieben Sie: On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 at 5:04pm, Christoph Brunner wrote Is there a firewall on this box? What are the settings? Are TCP wrappers getting in the way? If you watch the traffic during the amcheck, what do you see? The firewall is already offline. Here is a tcpdump-listing during amcheck, but i do not really understand the output, so please say, if you expected something different (i have replaced the ips with names) == tcpdump: listening on eth0 16:41:58.661929 backup03m.658 zulu.10080: udp 117 (DF) 16:41:58.669527 zulu.10080 backup03m.658: udp 50 (DF) 16:41:58.670657 zulu.10080 backup03m.658: udp 83 (DF) 16:41:58.670757 backup03m.658 zulu.10080: udp 50 (DF) 16:41:58.682902 backup03m.658 zulu.10080: udp 201 (DF) 16:41:58.690293 zulu.10080 backup03m.658: udp 50 (DF) 16:41:58.725535 zulu.10080 backup03m.658: udp 414 (DF) 16:41:58.725615 backup03m.658 zulu.10080: udp 50 (DF) backup03m is both the host amanda is running on and a backup client (which does not work, amcheck says 'host down'), zulu is a backup client that works. The first line says that backup03m sent a UDP packet from port 658 (a priviledged port) to port 10080 (the standard amanda listening port) on zulu. zulu responds with a couple of of packets, and then they have some more conversation. Try again doing a tcpdump on the loopback device (lo on my box). That's where traffic to the backup host itself will go. Hi, a tcpdump on the loopback device says: = tcpdump: listening on lo 10:40:45.589797 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF) 10:40:55.482650 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF) 10:41:05.482671 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF) 6 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel = Shouldn't there be responds from port 10080 to 1008? Nice greetings, Christoph
Re: amcheck fails
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 at 10:45am, Christoph Brunner wrote
a tcpdump on the loopback device says:
=
tcpdump: listening on lo
10:40:45.589797 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF)
10:40:55.482650 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF)
10:41:05.482671 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF)
6 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
=
Shouldn't there be responds from port 10080 to 1008?
Yep. Which tells me that amandad isn't listening *or* is refusing the
connection. What distro is this? What does 'netstat -l | grep amanda'
say? Are you using inetd or xinetd? If the latter, what's in
/etc/hosts.{deny,allow}?
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Re: Getting AMANDA stats without e-mail
Bob, I'd never heard that - nor has it been a problem at my site where we do run sendmail - clients (non-hub) on all but one amanda server. We have also run an amanda server on our mailhub with no difficulty. The one exception I meantioned above is for a firewall system backing up the clients (itself plus one in dmz) but not transmitting any mail by choice of our security admin who didn't want any mail leaving the dmz. ie: That is not because of amanda issues. Is this just something you where told or have you run into a difficulty and if so, what ? I've been told that I can not run sendmail or any mail system on the Sun Solaris server that I run the Amanda server on. Does anyone know how I can get the reports that I have normally sent to root's e-mail system some other way? Is their an option to getting the e-mails like in a report file? I know that I can put another e-mail address in the amanda.conf file. But, without sendmail running on my solaris system I have no way of sending it to another e-mail system. I think the e-mail will just hang in the mqueue folder until I delete it. Thanks. Bob... -- ** Bob Zahn UNIX Systems Adminstrator Oklahoma City Community College [EMAIL PROTECTED] 405.682.1611.7619 S. May Avenue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oklahoma City, OK 73159 **
Re: Getting AMANDA stats without e-mail
I think they may be disallowing sendmail to comply with a security policy. Using amreport to generate the report and leave it in a file is an acceptable alternative. We do this in addition to sending mail. Dan Lorenzini Greenwich Capital Markets [EMAIL PROTECTED] 600 Steamboat Road 203-625-6088Greenwich, CT 06830 Your message dated: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:44:11 EST Bob, I'd never heard that - nor has it been a problem at my site where we do run sendmail - clients (non-hub) on all but one amanda server. We have also run an amanda server on our mailhub with no difficulty. The one exception I meantioned above is for a firewall system backing up the clients (itself plus one in dmz) but not transmitting any mail by choice of our security admin who didn't want any mail leaving the dmz. ie: That is not because of amanda issues. Is this just something you where told or have you run into a difficulty and if so, what ? I've been told that I can not run sendmail or any mail system on the Sun Solaris server that I run the Amanda server on. Does anyone know how I can get the reports that I have normally sent to root's e-mail system some other way? Is their an option to getting the e-mails like in a report file? I know that I can put another e-mail address in the amanda.conf file. But, without sendmail running on my solaris system I have no way of sending it to another e-mail system. I think the e-mail will just hang in the mqueue folder until I delete it. Thanks. Bob... -- ** Bob Zahn UNIX Systems Adminstrator Oklahoma City Community College [EMAIL PROTECTED] 405.682.1611.7619 S. May Avenue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oklahoma City, OK 73159 **
Re: amcheck fails
Am Freitag, 7. November 2003 15:38 schrieben Sie:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 at 10:45am, Christoph Brunner wrote
a tcpdump on the loopback device says:
=
tcpdump: listening on lo
10:40:45.589797 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF)
10:40:55.482650 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF)
10:41:05.482671 backup03m.1008 backup03m.10080: udp 117 (DF)
6 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
=
Shouldn't there be responds from port 10080 to 1008?
Yep. Which tells me that amandad isn't listening *or* is refusing the
connection. What distro is this? What does 'netstat -l | grep amanda'
say? Are you using inetd or xinetd? If the latter, what's in
/etc/hosts.{deny,allow}?
Hi,
netstat says:
tcp0 0 *:amandaidx *:* LISTEN
udp0 0 *:amanda*:*
Distribution is Gentoo Linux 1.4.
I'm using xinetd, /etc/hosts.{deny,allow} doesn't exist.
Any ideas?
Nice greetings,
Christoph
Re: amcheck fails
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 at 3:54pm, Christoph Brunner wrote
netstat says:
tcp0 0 *:amandaidx *:* LISTEN
udp0 0 *:amanda*:*
Distribution is Gentoo Linux 1.4.
I'm using xinetd, /etc/hosts.{deny,allow} doesn't exist.
As Jon asked, what's in /tmp/amanda/selfcheck*debug after a failed amcheck
run? Actually, what files get greated in /tmp/amanda when you do amcheck,
and what are their contents?
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Duke University
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Network recovery with changer
Setup: all RedHat 8 shop, Amanda 2.4.4p1 locally compiled, HP DAT-4 changer on server, some files which need to be recovered to client. ambackup runs fine on server: amverify as well as manual 'tar -tzvf' shows that the backups are fine. amrecover on server successfully runs and restores files to the server. I start amrecover on client in the usual way; add and extract. amrecover tells me I need tape 1. ssh to server, use amtape to manually load tape needed. Tell amrecover to continue with extraction. amrecover gives following answer: Continue [?/Y/n/s/t]? y EOF, check amidxtaped.debug file on server. amrecover: short block 0 bytes Checking amidxtaped.debug file on server shows it believes amdump/amrecover to be running because /var/opt/amanda/daily/log exists. Well, of course it does, and it contains the single line INFO amidxtaped amidxtaped Quitting amrecover causes the creation of an amindexd.debug file in /tmp/amanda which contains a list of the contents of the desired backup file on the correct tape. So what is going on here? On a related topic, and one which I've searched in vain on the FAQ-O-Matic and every place else for the answer: what exactly do I put in amanda.conf to have amrecover automatically change to the correct tape? -- Stephen Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept. of Physics Astronomy, Cal State Northridge
Re: Network recovery with changer
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 09:22:49AM -0800, Stephen Walton wrote: On a related topic, and one which I've searched in vain on the FAQ-O-Matic and every place else for the answer: what exactly do I put in amanda.conf to have amrecover automatically change to the correct tape? Did you check the amanda man page? Mine shows these that I've not used but I think are what you seek. amrecover_do_fsf bool Default: off. Amrecover will call amrestore with the -f flag for faster positioning of the tape. amrecover_check_label bool Default: off. Amrecover will call amrestore with the -l flag to check the label. amrecover_changer string Default: ''. Amrecover will use the changer if you use 'settape STRING' and that string is the same as the amrecover_changer setting. -- Jon H. LaBadie [EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Computing 4455 Province Line Road(609) 252-0159 Princeton, NJ 08540-4322 (609) 683-7220 (fax)
Re: Getting AMANDA stats without e-mail
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client timing out
I have not been able to get a backup of one of my amanda clients for 3 days. The only errors I can find is in the amandad.20031104013547000.debug, which are: amandad: time 7453.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7453.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7463.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7463.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7473.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7473.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7483.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7483.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7493.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7493.715: waiting for ack: timeout, giving up! amandad: time 7493.715: pid 4331 finish time Tue Nov 4 03:40:41 2003 I've searched the FAQ which suggested that I increase the ctimeout value in the amanda.conf file. I increased the value from 30 to 120 on the Amanda server, but it's still timing out. Should I keep increasing the ctimeout value until I find the magic number or is there anything else I should be looking at? Thanks in advance, CWilson
Re: client timing out
C. Wilson wrote: I have not been able to get a backup of one of my amanda clients for 3 days. The only errors I can find is in the amandad.20031104013547000.debug, which are: You left out the noop request just before, I believe. amandad: time 7453.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7453.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7463.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7463.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7473.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7473.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7483.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7483.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7493.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7493.715: waiting for ack: timeout, giving up! amandad: time 7493.715: pid 4331 finish time Tue Nov 4 03:40:41 2003 I've searched the FAQ which suggested that I increase the ctimeout value in the amanda.conf file. I increased the value from 30 to 120 on the Amanda server, but it's still timing out. This is just a symptom that the the computer never received an ack packet. Something in the netwrok setup? (is the computer replying to the correct server? multiple Network card? Firewall blocking? etc. etc.) Increasing the ctimeout will not help. -- Paul Bijnens, XplanationTel +32 16 397.511 Technologielaan 21 bus 2, B-3001 Leuven, BELGIUMFax +32 16 397.512 http://www.xplanation.com/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** * I think I've got the hang of it now: exit, ^D, ^C, ^\, ^Z, ^Q, F6, * * quit, ZZ, :q, :q!, M-Z, ^X^C, logoff, logout, close, bye, /bye, * * stop, end, F3, ~., ^]c, +++ ATH, disconnect, halt, abort, hangup, * * PF4, F20, ^X^X, :D::D, KJOB, F14-f-e, F8-e, kill -1 $$, shutdown, * * kill -9 1, Alt-F4, Ctrl-Alt-Del, AltGr-NumLock, Stop-A, ...* * ... Are you sure? ... YES ... Phew ... I'm out * ***
Re: client timing out
Paul Bijnens wrote: C. Wilson wrote: I have not been able to get a backup of one of my amanda clients for 3 days. The only errors I can find is in the amandad.20031104013547000.debug, which are: You left out the noop request just before, I believe. amandad: time 7453.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7453.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7463.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7463.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7473.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7473.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7483.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7483.715: waiting for ack: timeout, retrying amandad: time 7493.715: dgram_recv: timeout after 10 seconds amandad: time 7493.715: waiting for ack: timeout, giving up! amandad: time 7493.715: pid 4331 finish time Tue Nov 4 03:40:41 2003 I've searched the FAQ which suggested that I increase the ctimeout value in the amanda.conf file. I increased the value from 30 to 120 on the Amanda server, but it's still timing out. This is just a symptom that the the computer never received an ack packet. Something in the netwrok setup? (is the computer replying to the correct server? multiple Network card? Firewall blocking? etc. etc.) Increasing the ctimeout will not help. -- Paul Bijnens, XplanationTel +32 16 397.511 Technologielaan 21 bus 2, B-3001 Leuven, BELGIUMFax +32 16 397.512 http://www.xplanation.com/ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** * I think I've got the hang of it now: exit, ^D, ^C, ^\, ^Z, ^Q, F6, * * quit, ZZ, :q, :q!, M-Z, ^X^C, logoff, logout, close, bye, /bye, * * stop, end, F3, ~., ^]c, +++ ATH, disconnect, halt, abort, hangup, * * PF4, F20, ^X^X, :D::D, KJOB, F14-f-e, F8-e, kill -1 $$, shutdown, * * kill -9 1, Alt-F4, Ctrl-Alt-Del, AltGr-NumLock, Stop-A, ...* * ... Are you sure? ... YES ... Phew ... I'm out * *** I have two amandad debug files on the client: amandad.20031107100613000.debug amandad.20031107100613.debug The noop is in the amandad.20031107100613.debug file, that has no errors. The amandad.20031107100613000.debug file is the one with the timeout errors. I find no errors in my Amanda server debug files. There's no firewall and I don't see any evidence that's it's dropping off the net. It only has one ethernet card and I checked to make sure the router and the box were set at Full Duplex. No packet loss or collisions and DNS seems to be working fine. I'm still confussed on what it can be and how to resolve it. Thanks for your response, CWilson
Re: Network recovery with changer
On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 09:33, Jon LaBadie wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 09:22:49AM -0800, Stephen Walton wrote: what exactly do I put in amanda.conf to have amrecover automatically change to the correct tape? Did you check the amanda man page? amrecover_changer string Thanks for the response, Jon. It turns out that both questions I asked (why was amrecover failing and how to get it to work with the changer) are related. I found by experiment that I have to settape /dev/nst0 in amrecover before it will work, and then also manually load the tape amrecover says it needs. I do know of the amrecover_changer parameter, and it is set to /dev/nst0in my amanda.conf, but amrecover still does not change tapes. The relevant lines from my configuration are tpchanger chg-scsi tapedev 0 changerfile /etc/opt/amanda/daily/chg-scsi-compaq.conf amrecover_changer /dev/nst0 This does not work with amrecover but I'm unable to find a combination which does. -- Stephen Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept. of Physics Astronomy, Cal State Northridge
Re: Network recovery with changer
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 01:27:28PM -0800, Stephen Walton wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 09:33, Jon LaBadie wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 09:22:49AM -0800, Stephen Walton wrote: what exactly do I put in amanda.conf to have amrecover automatically change to the correct tape? Did you check the amanda man page? amrecover_changer string Thanks for the response, Jon. It turns out that both questions I asked (why was amrecover failing and how to get it to work with the changer) are related. I found by experiment that I have to settape /dev/nst0 in amrecover before it will work, and then also manually load the tape amrecover says it needs. I do know of the amrecover_changer parameter, and it is set to /dev/nst0in my amanda.conf, but amrecover still does not change tapes. The relevant lines from my configuration are tpchanger chg-scsi tapedev 0 changerfile /etc/opt/amanda/daily/chg-scsi-compaq.conf amrecover_changer /dev/nst0 This does not work with amrecover but I'm unable to find a combination which does. As I noted, I've not used them. However I would not except your string /dev/nst0 to be what it is looking for when the parameter name is ... changer. That is your tape drive isn't it? Perhaps the value it wants is the device of your changer, but I suspect that is in the *.conf file. So maybe it is the changer script name? Looks like yours is chg-scsi-compaq. jl -- Jon H. LaBadie [EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Computing 4455 Province Line Road(609) 252-0159 Princeton, NJ 08540-4322 (609) 683-7220 (fax)
Will Amanda work with Qualstar TLS-5433 SAIT library
Our group is thinking of purchasing a Qualstar TLS-5433 SAIT library. From the documentation Ive read, Amanda supports some, but not all, changers/robots. Will this be a supported model? Also, the following excerpt from the Amanda chapter of the Unix Backup And Recovery book has me a bit concerned: AMANDA supports using more than one tape in a single run, but does not yet split a dump image across tapes. This also means it does not support dump images larger than a single tape. Does not yet split a dump image across tapes. I assume dump image = one unit or partition to be backed up. /home for example. So if /home is larger than the size of a single tape, do I then need to subdivide /home into say /home/faculty and /home/students in order to backup successfully? Im just a little fuzzy on what exactly an image is. (Sorry, new on the job and to sysadmin in general) Thanks, Fran
Re: Will Amanda work with Qualstar TLS-5433 SAIT library
--On Friday, November 07, 2003 17:44:28 -0600 Fran Fabrizio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our group is thinking of purchasing a Qualstar TLS-5433 SAIT library. From the documentation I've read, Amanda supports some, but not all, changers/robots. Will this be a supported model? I use it on Qualstar TLS4480 and RLS-4445 libraries. I would imagine that all their libraries use the same controller, but you could ask them to be sure. Also, the following excerpt from the Amanda chapter of the Unix Backup And Recovery book has me a bit concerned: AMANDA supports using more than one tape in a single run, but does not yet split a dump image across tapes. This also means it does not support dump images larger than a single tape. Does not yet split a dump image across tapes. I assume dump image = one unit or partition to be backed up. /home for example. So if /home is larger than the size of a single tape, do I then need to subdivide /home into say /home/faculty and /home/students in order to backup successfully? I'm just a little fuzzy on what exactly an image is. (Sorry, new on the job and to sysadmin in general) An 'image' is a single partition or directory that you want backed up. Also known on this list a a DLE, or 'disklist entry' since it is one line in the config file which lists the filesystems to back up. Yes, you will need to specify subdirectories if the entire directory is larger than a tape. Some people are working on a patch to allow spanning tapes with a single entry but I don't know how far along that is. Check the archives for ideas on how to use includes and excludes to split directories while still being sure a new subdirectory will get backed up. Frank Thanks, Fran -- Frank Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator Voice: 512-374-4673 Hoover's Online Fax: 512-374-4501
Re: Will Amanda work with Qualstar TLS-5433 SAIT library
On Friday 07 November 2003 18:44, Fran Fabrizio wrote: Our group is thinking of purchasing a Qualstar TLS-5433 SAIT library. From the documentation I've read, Amanda supports some, but not all, changers/robots. Will this be a supported model? Also, the following excerpt from the Amanda chapter of the Unix Backup And Recovery book has me a bit concerned: AMANDA supports using more than one tape in a single run, but does not yet split a dump image across tapes. This also means it does not support dump images larger than a single tape. Does not yet split a dump image across tapes. I assume dump image = one unit or partition to be backed up. /home for example. So if /home is larger than the size of a single tape, do I then need to subdivide /home into say /home/faculty and /home/students in order to backup successfully? I'm just a little fuzzy on what exactly an image is. (Sorry, new on the job and to sysadmin in general) As an overview, you have it understood ok I think. The only caveat is that dump cannot do a subdir tree. But tar works just fine provided the version is at least 1.13-19, with 1.13-25 being the prefered flavor these days. If your tar --version says its just 1.13, its busted, goto ftp.alpha.org and get the newer one. Thanks, Fran -- Cheers, Gene AMD [EMAIL PROTECTED] 320M [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512M 99.27% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2003 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
Re: Network recovery with changer
On Friday 07 November 2003 16:27, Stephen Walton wrote: On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 09:33, Jon LaBadie wrote: On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 09:22:49AM -0800, Stephen Walton wrote: what exactly do I put in amanda.conf to have amrecover automatically change to the correct tape? Did you check the amanda man page? amrecover_changer string Thanks for the response, Jon. It turns out that both questions I asked (why was amrecover failing and how to get it to work with the changer) are related. I found by experiment that I have to settape /dev/nst0 in amrecover before it will work, and then also manually load the tape amrecover says it needs. I do know of the amrecover_changer parameter, and it is set to /dev/nst0in my amanda.conf, but amrecover still does not change tapes. The relevant lines from my configuration are I believe thats the wrong device, should it not be /dev/sgX?, where the X is derived from your /var/log/dmesg when it discovered the changer? tpchanger chg-scsi tapedev 0 changerfile /etc/opt/amanda/daily/chg-scsi-compaq.conf amrecover_changer /dev/nst0 This does not work with amrecover but I'm unable to find a combination which does. -- Cheers, Gene AMD [EMAIL PROTECTED] 320M [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512M 99.27% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2003 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
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