Re: Q: HP C7971A tapetype (Ultrium LTO 1)

2004-07-08 Thread Paul Bijnens
Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
* Alexey I. Froloff raorn@ [040707 14:10]:
P.S. Right now I figured how to turn HW compression off (with mt
utility) and started amtapetype again...
Thanks to all for your help.  amtapetype finished successfully.
$ /usr/sbin/amtapetype -e 100g -f /dev/nst0 -t HP-C7971A
Writing 1024 Mbyte   compresseable data:  25 sec
Writing 1024 Mbyte uncompresseable data:  72 sec
WARNING: Tape drive has hardware compression enabled
Estimated time to write 2 * 102400 Mbyte: 14400 sec = 4 h 0 min
wrote 3244032 32Kb blocks in 99 files in 7310 seconds (short write)
wrote 3244032 32Kb blocks in 198 files in 7666 seconds (short write)
define tapetype HP-C7971A {
comment just produced by tapetype prog (hardware compression on)
length 101376 mbytes
filemark 0 kbytes
speed 13871 kps
}

Noticed the speed increase when specifying '-e 100g' !
And notice that even with hardware compression on, these drives can put
100 Gbyte on tape, thanks to the intelligent hwcompr algorithm that 
somehow avoids compressing random data.

I wish I owned one of those drives.
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[RESULTS MISSING]

2004-07-08 Thread Daniel García

Hi,


Amanda has send this report today, and i don't know if the backup of
the disk is done ok.

  svrbackup  //svrficheros/usr RESULTS MISSING
  svrbackup  //svrcitrixs/YagoMir RESULTS MISSING
  svrbackup  //svrcitrixs/carto RESULTS MISSING

What mean those errors.


Thank you!




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Re: Q: HP C7971A tapetype (Ultrium LTO 1)

2004-07-08 Thread Alexey I. Froloff
* Paul Bijnens paul.bijnens@ [040708 12:18]:
 Noticed the speed increase when specifying '-e 100g' !
Yes!

 And notice that even with hardware compression on, these drives can put
 100 Gbyte on tape, thanks to the intelligent hwcompr algorithm that 
 somehow avoids compressing random data.
I think it worth a try with -e 200g option.

 I wish I owned one of those drives.
:-)

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Re: Q: HP C7971A tapetype (Ultrium LTO 1)

2004-07-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 08 July 2004 01:32, Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
* Alexey I. Froloff raorn@ [040707 14:10]:
 P.S. Right now I figured how to turn HW compression off (with mt
 utility) and started amtapetype again...

Thanks to all for your help.  amtapetype finished successfully.

$ /usr/sbin/amtapetype -e 100g -f /dev/nst0 -t HP-C7971A
Writing 1024 Mbyte   compresseable data:  25 sec
Writing 1024 Mbyte uncompresseable data:  72 sec
WARNING: Tape drive has hardware compression enabled

Please disable this as it hides the true tapesize from amtapetype AND 
amanda.  amanda can do a much better job of filling up a tape if 
amanda knows how much a tape can hold.  You can use the optional gzip 
compressor on portions of the system to much better advantage in 
terms of achieved compression ratios, and generally can stuff more 
data onto a tape than using the hardware compressor can do.  Here, 
under what would be termed ideal conditions, I've had amanda email me 
and rep[ort that it just put a bit over 12Gb on a 4Gb tape that has 
the last 370megs reserved for something else I'm doing here.

amtapetype uses /dev/urandom as a data source, which will overpower 
the hardware compressor and make the data on the tape larger, by 
maybe 10-15%, than what was fed in, so you do not get a good estimate 
of the tapesize from that effect alone.

Estimated time to write 2 * 102400 Mbyte: 14400 sec = 4 h 0 min
wrote 3244032 32Kb blocks in 99 files in 7310 seconds (short write)
wrote 3244032 32Kb blocks in 198 files in 7666 seconds (short write)
define tapetype HP-C7971A {
comment just produced by tapetype prog (hardware compression
 on) length 101376 mbytes
filemark 0 kbytes
speed 13871 kps
}

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Soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order, starting now.  -Ed Howdershelt, Author
Additions to this message made by Gene Heskett are Copyright 2004, 
Maurice E. Heskett, all rights reserved.


Re: Q: HP C7971A tapetype (Ultrium LTO 1)

2004-07-08 Thread Joshua Baker-LePain
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 at 8:35am, Gene Heskett wrote

 On Thursday 08 July 2004 01:32, Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
 * Alexey I. Froloff raorn@ [040707 14:10]:
  P.S. Right now I figured how to turn HW compression off (with mt
  utility) and started amtapetype again...
 
 Thanks to all for your help.  amtapetype finished successfully.
 
 $ /usr/sbin/amtapetype -e 100g -f /dev/nst0 -t HP-C7971A
 Writing 1024 Mbyte   compresseable data:  25 sec
 Writing 1024 Mbyte uncompresseable data:  72 sec
 WARNING: Tape drive has hardware compression enabled
 
 Please disable this as it hides the true tapesize from amtapetype AND 
 amanda.  amanda can do a much better job of filling up a tape if 
 amanda knows how much a tape can hold.  You can use the optional gzip 
 compressor on portions of the system to much better advantage in 
 terms of achieved compression ratios, and generally can stuff more 
 data onto a tape than using the hardware compressor can do.  Here, 
 under what would be termed ideal conditions, I've had amanda email me 
 and rep[ort that it just put a bit over 12Gb on a 4Gb tape that has 
 the last 370megs reserved for something else I'm doing here.

Actually Gene, for this drive disabling hardware compression isn't 
necessary.  It's an LTO/Ultrium drive, and those are actually smart enough 
to not compress already compressed data.  Notice (below) how he still gets 
the full 100GB native capacity?  With those drives, you get the best of 
both worlds -- you can mix software and hardware compression.  Very, very 
slick.

 Estimated time to write 2 * 102400 Mbyte: 14400 sec = 4 h 0 min
 wrote 3244032 32Kb blocks in 99 files in 7310 seconds (short write)
 wrote 3244032 32Kb blocks in 198 files in 7666 seconds (short write)
 define tapetype HP-C7971A {
 comment just produced by tapetype prog (hardware compression
  on) length 101376 mbytes
 filemark 0 kbytes
 speed 13871 kps
 }

-- 
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Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University


Re: Q: HP C7971A tapetype (Ultrium LTO 1)

2004-07-08 Thread Tom Brown
 Actually Gene, for this drive disabling hardware compression isn't
 necessary.  It's an LTO/Ultrium drive, and those are actually smart enough
 to not compress already compressed data.  Notice (below) how he still gets
 the full 100GB native capacity?  With those drives, you get the best of
 both worlds -- you can mix software and hardware compression.  Very, very
 slick.

I can agree - We have a couple of autoloaders with these in and they have
reported very similar results while using amtapetype.

They are very neat indeed - And reliable so far

thanks




Re: Q: HP C7971A tapetype (Ultrium LTO 1)

2004-07-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 08 July 2004 08:50, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 at 8:35am, Gene Heskett wrote

 On Thursday 08 July 2004 01:32, Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
 * Alexey I. Froloff raorn@ [040707 14:10]:
  P.S. Right now I figured how to turn HW compression off (with
  mt utility) and started amtapetype again...
 
 Thanks to all for your help.  amtapetype finished successfully.
 
 $ /usr/sbin/amtapetype -e 100g -f /dev/nst0 -t HP-C7971A
 Writing 1024 Mbyte   compresseable data:  25 sec
 Writing 1024 Mbyte uncompresseable data:  72 sec
 WARNING: Tape drive has hardware compression enabled

 Please disable this as it hides the true tapesize from amtapetype
 AND amanda.  amanda can do a much better job of filling up a tape
 if amanda knows how much a tape can hold.  You can use the
 optional gzip compressor on portions of the system to much better
 advantage in terms of achieved compression ratios, and generally
 can stuff more data onto a tape than using the hardware compressor
 can do.  Here, under what would be termed ideal conditions, I've
 had amanda email me and rep[ort that it just put a bit over 12Gb
 on a 4Gb tape that has the last 370megs reserved for something
 else I'm doing here.

Actually Gene, for this drive disabling hardware compression isn't
necessary.  It's an LTO/Ultrium drive, and those are actually smart
 enough to not compress already compressed data.  Notice (below) how
 he still gets the full 100GB native capacity?  With those drives,
 you get the best of both worlds -- you can mix software and
 hardware compression.  Very, very slick.

And a bit expen$ive for my retired blood.  I've spent $200+ on a fresh 
pair of drives here since the first of the year, and they are both 
dead now, acting like worn out heads.  So if I ever get this machine 
stable enough to worry about amanda, I'll see if I can make amanda 
use dvd+-rw's instead.  But right now the video card died yesterday, 
and an atempt to recomipile kde-3.2.3 is meeting with a bus error in 
the middle of the qt-x11-free-3.2.3 build.  Hello...  Bus error?  
Nothing in the logs, nada, zip zero.

 Estimated time to write 2 * 102400 Mbyte: 14400 sec = 4 h 0 min
 wrote 3244032 32Kb blocks in 99 files in 7310 seconds (short
  write) wrote 3244032 32Kb blocks in 198 files in 7666 seconds
  (short write) define tapetype HP-C7971A {
 comment just produced by tapetype prog (hardware compression
  on) length 101376 mbytes
 filemark 0 kbytes
 speed 13871 kps
 }

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Soap, ballot, jury, and ammo.
Please use in that order, starting now.  -Ed Howdershelt, Author
Additions to this message made by Gene Heskett are Copyright 2004, 
Maurice E. Heskett, all rights reserved.


RE: Installation problems

2004-07-08 Thread Dege, Robert C.

Steve,

try checking out the logs in /tmp/amanda (if that's where your logs are set to for the 
client).

You can check rundump or sendsize.  It should show you the absolute path of the dump 
program and possibly any parameters used when performing the dump command.

-Rob

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:16 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Installation problems
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I've recently started trying to get amanda installed (the 
 newest version as of a week ago) on a few of my linux boxes 
 here in the shop and I've come across two problems.  The the 
 server install went smoothly on my Debian Sarge install, as 
 well as a client install on 3 Fedora boxes.  However, when I 
 did a client install on two of my other debian boxes, amcheck 
 returns that it cannot find DUMP on those machines.  I've 
 checked all of the following:
 1) Dump is installed
 2) The amanda user has priveleges to use dump
 3) Permissions are exactly the same as on my my working 
 amanda server as well as the working fedora boxes.
 
 
 I've checked the FAQ on the website as well as the help 
 documents included with amanda and these mainly suggest that 
 if dump works for the user on the client machine, it should 
 for the server.  Soo..I'm stuck.
 
 If anyone has any ideas about what I should be checking 
 /doing I'd greatly appreciate it!
 
 Thanks!
 -Steve
 
 
 


Re: Q: HP C7971A tapetype (Ultrium LTO 1)

2004-07-08 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 08:50:17AM -0400, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote:
 On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 at 8:35am, Gene Heskett wrote
 
  On Thursday 08 July 2004 01:32, Alexey I. Froloff wrote:
  * Alexey I. Froloff raorn@ [040707 14:10]:
   P.S. Right now I figured how to turn HW compression off (with mt
   utility) and started amtapetype again...
  
  Thanks to all for your help.  amtapetype finished successfully.
  
  $ /usr/sbin/amtapetype -e 100g -f /dev/nst0 -t HP-C7971A
  Writing 1024 Mbyte   compresseable data:  25 sec
  Writing 1024 Mbyte uncompresseable data:  72 sec
  WARNING: Tape drive has hardware compression enabled
  
  Please disable this as it hides the true tapesize from amtapetype AND 
  amanda.  amanda can do a much better job of filling up a tape if 
  amanda knows how much a tape can hold.
...
 
 Actually Gene, for this drive disabling hardware compression isn't 
 necessary.  It's an LTO/Ultrium drive, and those are actually smart enough 
 to not compress already compressed data.  Notice (below) how he still gets 
 the full 100GB native capacity?  With those drives, you get the best of 
 both worlds -- you can mix software and hardware compression.  Very, very 
 slick.
 

Gene's second point is still valid though.
What is the actual real world data capacity of the tape?
Amanda will think 100GB and yet the HW compressor will be
shrinking that 0-80% depending on the data compressability.
So running tapetype if you plan to use HW compression is
basically a time-waster as you will be guess-timating the
actual data capacity anyway.

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 Princeton, NJ  08540-4322  (609) 683-7220 (fax)


please, help with samba/windows setup

2004-07-08 Thread Miguel Angelo Rozsas
Hi there ! 
 
I am having trouble to setup amanda to backup shares from a 
Windows 2000 server. I am not sure this is possible, (I suspect is 
not), so I am writing to get a confirmation that this is impossible 
and ask for suggestions to backup the windows 2000 shares. 
 
The PDC is a windows 2000 machine. it's NetBIOS name is 
kgbserver. The shares that I want to backup are named 
//kgbserver/Others and //kgbserver/Docs. 
 
The amanda server is a RH9.0, with samba configured as 
security=DOMAIN . The samba NetBIOS name is KGBSERVER2.  

This is why I think this could be a problem. The samba 
server is not the PDC for that domain. It is just a client for that 
domain. This makes any sense ?
 
In the disklist file I put the following lines for the 
shares I want to backup: 
 
kgbserver2  //kgbserver/Others  nocomp-user-gnutar 
kgbserver2  //kgbserver/Docs nocomp-user-gnutar 
 
The file /etc/amandapass was configured with the 
Administrator and password for the Windows machine: 
 
//kgbserver/Others  administrator%ajjj882 KGB 
//kgbserver/Docsadministrator%ajjj882 KGB 
 
 
On the amanda server (RH9.0) I can browse the Windows 2000's 
shares with smbclient, for example: 
 
# smbclient -L //kgbserver -U administrator%ajjj882 -W KGB 
added interface ip=192.168.155.202 bcast=192.168.155.255 
nmask=255.255.255.0 
Domain=[KGB] OS=[Windows 5.0] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] 
 
Sharename  Type  Comment 
-    --- 

...etc... and browsing a specific share: 
 
# smbclient  //kgbserver/Others -U administrator%ajjj882 -W KGB 
added interface ip=192.168.155.202 bcast=192.168.155.255 
nmask=255.255.255.0 
Domain=[KGB] OS=[Windows 5.0] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] 
smb: \ ls 
  .   D0  Fri Jun 25 14:46:26 2004 
  ..  D0  Fri Jun 25 14:46:26 2004 
  ENVELOPES   D0  Thu Feb 28 15:02:23 2002 

...etc 
 
 ...and even smbtar work fine: 
 
# cd /tmp 
# smbtar -s kgbserver -u administrator%ajjj882 -x Others -t 
others.tar 
# tar -tvf others.tar 
...etc... 
 
 ...and amcheck works fine too: 
 
# /bin/su - amanda -c /usr/sbin/amcheck -c DialySet1 
 
Amanda Backup Client Hosts Check 
 
Client check: 2 hosts checked in 10.682 seconds, 0 problems found 
 
(brought to you by Amanda 2.4.3) 
 
 
The amdump fail with the following message: 
 
FAILURE AND STRANGE DUMP SUMMARY: 
  planner: ERROR Request to kgbserver2 timed out. 
 
 and from DUMP summary: 
 
DUMP SUMMARY: 
 DUMPER STATSTAPER 
STATS 
HOSTNAME DISKL ORIG-KB OUT-KB COMP% MMM:SS  KB/s MMM:SS  
KB/s 
-- -  
kgbserver2   -ver/Others   MISSING -- 
kgbserver2   -erver/Docs   MISSING -- 
 
Is this setup really impossible ? 
As last resort, I configured Amanda to backup the mount 
point /mnt/kgbserver/Others and /mnt/kgbserver/Docs from the 
machine kgbserver2. 

 These mount points are mounted at boot time via /etc/fstab using 
smbfs. 
 
Is there another better solution ? 
 
I will appreciated any ideas and comments. 
 
thank you gurus in advance, 
 
Amanda server: RH9.0, running 2.4.20-30.9. 
amanda version: 2.4.3-4 (from the rpm package) 
samba version: 2.2.7a release 8.9.0 (from the rpm package) 
 
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Cygwin question...

2004-07-08 Thread Richard Morse
Hi!  I have a number of Win2K machines I'm backing up using 
cygwin-based Amanda.  Most of them work just great, however I haven't 
added a new machine for several months.  Just a few days ago, I added a 
new machine, using the already-compiled binaries from the other 
machines, and I'm having a problem...

First, this is amanda 2.4.4 (I haven't done any upgrades for a while, 
so there may be newer versions out).  It was compiled on Cygwin 1.3.20. 
 I'm trying to run it on Cygwin 1.5.10.  I realize that this might be 
the problem, but I'd rather not recompile it if I can, as it was a pain 
to get compiled correctly.

It passes amcheck just fine.  However, when it actually tries to back 
up, I get the following errors in the log files:

in amandad.*.debug (this being the third amadad.debug file from the 
evening):

amandad: time 0.020: bsd security: remote host xxx.xxx.xxx.edu user 
amanda local user SYSTEM
amandad: time 0.020: amandahosts security check passed
amandad: time 0.020: running service 
/usr/local/amanda/libexec/sendbackup
ERROR [sendbackup: could not create data socket: Operation not 
permitted]

in sendbackup.*.debug:
sendbackup: debug 1 pid 1344 ruid 18 euid 18: start at Wed Jul  7 
23:24:05 2004
/usr/local/amanda/libexec/sendbackup: version 2.4.4
  parsed request as: program `GNUTAR'
 disk `/cygdrive/c'
 device `/cygdrive/c'
 level 0
 since 1970:1:1:0:0:0
 options 
`|;auth=bsd;srvcomp-fast;index;include-list=.amanda-gtar-includes;'
sendbackup: stream_server: socket() failed: Operation not permitted
sendbackup: time 0.005: ERROR [sendbackup: could not create data 
socket: Operation not permitted]
sendbackup: time 0.005: pid 1344 finish time Wed Jul  7 23:24:05 2004

Does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this?  A google search 
revealed nothing...

Thanks,
Ricky


Erroneous Last full dump overwritten message

2004-07-08 Thread KEVIN ZEMBOWER
I go this message last night:
NOTES:
  planner: Last full dump of www:sda11 on tape  overwritten in 1 run.

And yet, I have plenty of level 0 backups:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ amadmin Outside find www sda11
Scanning /dumps/amanda...

date   host disk  lv tape or file file status
2004-06-09 www  sda11  2 Outside-21 10 OK
2004-06-11 www  sda11  3 Outside-01 12 OK
2004-06-12 www  sda11  0 Outside-02 15 OK
2004-06-15 www  sda11  1 Outside-03 12 OK
2004-06-16 www  sda11  2 Outside-04 13 OK
2004-06-17 www  sda11  3 Outside-05 11 OK
2004-06-19 www  sda11  3 Outside-07 14 OK
2004-06-22 www  sda11  0 Outside-08 15 OK
2004-06-23 www  sda11  1 Outside-09 13 OK
2004-06-24 www  sda11  2 Outside-10 13 OK
2004-06-25 www  sda11  3 Outside-11  9 OK
2004-06-26 www  sda11  0 Outside-12 16 OK
2004-06-29 www  sda11  1 Outside-13 12 OK
2004-06-30 www  sda11  2 Outside-14 11 OK
2004-07-01 www  sda11  3 Outside-15 10 OK
2004-07-02 www  sda11  3 Outside-16 12 OK
2004-07-03 www  sda11  3 Outside-17 11 OK
2004-07-07 www  sda11  0 --- 0 FAILED (driver) [dump to tape failed]
2004-07-07 www  sda11  0 --- 0 FAILED (dumper) [data write: Connection 
reset by peer]
2004-07-07 www  sda11  0 Outside-19 14 [out of tape]
2004-07-08 www  sda11  0 Outside-20 16 OK
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ 

This indicates that one was just made last night, but three others existed within the 
tapecycle.

My amanda.conf setting are:
dumpcycle 8 # the number of days in the normal dump cycle
runspercycle 8  # the number of amdump runs in dumpcycle days
tapecycle 15 tapes  # the number of tapes in rotation

Is this message indicating that there's no level 0 backup within the last dumpcycle 
tapes? 

This isn't a big concern; I've been just ignoring it for a couple of years now. But 
today, I'm curious and have the time to write about it.

Also, is there something missing after the word 'tape' in the message, planner: Last 
full dump of www:sda11 on tape  overwritten in 1 run.? On my other operating amanda 
system, this is usually filled in by the tape name.

Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.

-Kevin

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Unix Administrator
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111 Market Place, Suite 310
Baltimore, MD  21202
410-659-6139




RE: please, help with samba/windows setup

2004-07-08 Thread Dege, Robert C.

A few things I would check:

*) Since you area already part of a domain, your amandapass does not require the third 
field that specifies the workgroup.

*) Your disklist specifies nocomp-user-gnutar as the backup method.  What is listed in 
there?

*) check out the errors logs in /tmp/amanda.  It might help highlight a few issues 
with the backup errors.

*) The packages that you are using are fairly old.  You might want to try upgrading 
them as the updated package might contain fixes relevant to your problem.


I am able to successfully backup windows2000 systems using amanda on a redhat box, so 
I do know that this works.  It has nothing to do with your linux box needing to be a 
PDC. So long as your linux box is a member of the domain, you should be okay.

-Rob

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:34 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: please, help with samba/windows setup
 
 
 Hi there ! 
  
 I am having trouble to setup amanda to backup shares from a 
 Windows 2000 server. I am not sure this is possible, (I suspect is 
 not), so I am writing to get a confirmation that this is impossible 
 and ask for suggestions to backup the windows 2000 shares. 
  
 The PDC is a windows 2000 machine. it's NetBIOS name is 
 kgbserver. The shares that I want to backup are named 
 //kgbserver/Others and //kgbserver/Docs. 
  
 The amanda server is a RH9.0, with samba configured as 
 security=DOMAIN . The samba NetBIOS name is KGBSERVER2.  
 
 This is why I think this could be a problem. The samba 
 server is not the PDC for that domain. It is just a client for that 
 domain. This makes any sense ?
  
 In the disklist file I put the following lines for the 
 shares I want to backup: 
  
 kgbserver2  //kgbserver/Others  nocomp-user-gnutar 
 kgbserver2  //kgbserver/Docs nocomp-user-gnutar 
  
 The file /etc/amandapass was configured with the 
 Administrator and password for the Windows machine: 
  
 //kgbserver/Others  administrator%ajjj882 KGB 
 //kgbserver/Docsadministrator%ajjj882 KGB 
  
  
 On the amanda server (RH9.0) I can browse the Windows 2000's 
 shares with smbclient, for example: 
  
 # smbclient -L //kgbserver -U administrator%ajjj882 -W KGB 
 added interface ip=192.168.155.202 bcast=192.168.155.255 
 nmask=255.255.255.0 
 Domain=[KGB] OS=[Windows 5.0] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] 
  
 Sharename  Type  Comment 
 -    --- 
 
 ...etc... and browsing a specific share: 
  
 # smbclient  //kgbserver/Others -U administrator%ajjj882 -W KGB 
 added interface ip=192.168.155.202 bcast=192.168.155.255 
 nmask=255.255.255.0 
 Domain=[KGB] OS=[Windows 5.0] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] 
 smb: \ ls 
   .   D0  Fri Jun 25 
 14:46:26 2004 
   ..  D0  Fri Jun 25 
 14:46:26 2004 
   ENVELOPES   D0  Thu Feb 28 
 15:02:23 2002 
 
 ...etc 
  
  ...and even smbtar work fine: 
  
 # cd /tmp 
 # smbtar -s kgbserver -u administrator%ajjj882 -x Others -t 
 others.tar 
 # tar -tvf others.tar 
 ...etc... 
  
  ...and amcheck works fine too: 
  
 # /bin/su - amanda -c /usr/sbin/amcheck -c DialySet1 
  
 Amanda Backup Client Hosts Check 
  
 Client check: 2 hosts checked in 10.682 seconds, 0 problems found 
  
 (brought to you by Amanda 2.4.3) 
  
  
 The amdump fail with the following message: 
  
 FAILURE AND STRANGE DUMP SUMMARY: 
   planner: ERROR Request to kgbserver2 timed out. 
  
  and from DUMP summary: 
  
 DUMP SUMMARY: 
  DUMPER STATSTAPER 
 STATS 
 HOSTNAME DISKL ORIG-KB OUT-KB COMP% MMM:SS  KB/s MMM:SS  
 KB/s 
 -- - 
  
 kgbserver2   -ver/Others   MISSING 
 -- 
 kgbserver2   -erver/Docs   MISSING 
 -- 
  
 Is this setup really impossible ? 
 As last resort, I configured Amanda to backup the mount 
 point /mnt/kgbserver/Others and /mnt/kgbserver/Docs from the 
 machine kgbserver2. 
 
  These mount points are mounted at boot time via /etc/fstab using 
 smbfs. 
  
 Is there another better solution ? 
  
 I will appreciated any ideas and comments. 
  
 thank you gurus in advance, 
  
 Amanda server: RH9.0, running 2.4.20-30.9. 
 amanda version: 2.4.3-4 (from the rpm package) 
 samba version: 2.2.7a release 8.9.0 (from the rpm package) 
  
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Question about amandad launching

2004-07-08 Thread Lionel David




Hello List, 

I'm very newbie with amanda, so maybe my question will be very simple. I've
search on Internet, Amanda's documentation and archives but no answer for
my problem, I cannot launch correctly amandad, here is my debug logs (/tmp/amanda/amanda-.debug)
:


amandad: dgram_recv: recvfrom() failed: Socket operation on non-socket
amandad: error receiving message: Socket operation on non-socket
amandad: time 1.231: error receiving message: Socket operation on non-socket
amandad: time 1.231: pid 9348 finish time Thu Jul 8 15:59:00 2004

Do you know what is my problem ??

Here are the Other lines of the amanda.debug file :

[EMAIL PROTECTED] /]$ more /tmp/amanda/amandad.20040708155859.debug
 amandad: debug 1 pid 9348 ruid 500 euid 500: start at Thu Jul 8 15:58:59
2004
 amandad: version 2.4.4p3
 amandad: build: VERSION="Amanda-2.4.4p3"
 amandad: BUILT_DATE="jeu jui 1 10:40:01 CEST 2004"
 amandad: BUILT_MACH="Linux corap-47.rap.prd.fr 2.6.3-7mdk #1 Wed
Mar 17 15:56:42 CET 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux"
 amandad: CC="gcc"
 amandad: CONFIGURE_COMMAND="'./configure' '--with-user=amanda' '--with-group=disk'
'--with-configdir=/etc/amanda'"
 amandad: paths: bindir="/usr/local/bin" sbindir="/usr/local/sbin"
 amandad: libexecdir="/usr/local/libexec" mandir="/usr/local/man"
 amandad: AMANDA_TMPDIR="/tmp/amanda" AMANDA_DBGDIR="/tmp/amanda"
 amandad: CONFIG_DIR="/etc/amanda" DEV_PREFIX="/dev/"
 amandad: RDEV_PREFIX="/dev/r" DUMP="/sbin/dump"
 amandad: RESTORE="/sbin/restore" VDUMP=UNDEF VRESTORE=UNDEF
 amandad: XFSDUMP=UNDEF XFSRESTORE=UNDEF VXDUMP=UNDEF VXRESTORE=UNDEF
 amandad: SAMBA_CLIENT="/usr/bin/smbclient" GNUTAR="/bin/gtar"
 amandad: COMPRESS_PATH="/bin/gzip" UNCOMPRESS_PATH="/bin/gzip"
 amandad: LPRCMD="/usr/bin/lpr" MAILER="/usr/bin/Mail"
 amandad: listed_incr_dir="/usr/local/var/amanda/gnutar-lists"
 amandad: defs: DEFAULT_SERVER="corap-47.rap.prd.fr"
 amandad: DEFAULT_CONFIG="DailySet1"
 amandad: DEFAULT_TAPE_SERVER="corap-47.rap.prd.fr"
 amandad: DEFAULT_TAPE_DEVICE="/dev/null" HAVE_MMAP HAVE_SYSVSHM
 amandad: LOCKING=POSIX_FCNTL SETPGRP_VOID DEBUG_CODE
 amandad: AMANDA_DEBUG_DAYS=4 BSD_SECURITY USE_AMANDAHOSTS
 amandad: CLIENT_LOGIN="amanda" FORCE_USERID HAVE_GZIP
 amandad: COMPRESS_SUFFIX=".gz" COMPRESS_FAST_OPT="--fast"
 amandad: COMPRESS_BEST_OPT="--best" UNCOMPRESS_OPT="-dc"

Thanks.
 
 Lionel.





amdump/amrecover problem

2004-07-08 Thread cngo
Hi,

I've got the following error when I run amrecover:

-
amrecover add dumpdates
Added /etc/dumpdates
amrecover extract

Extracting files using tape drive 0 on host typha.nmsu.edu.
The following tapes are needed: Biology-1

Restoring files into directory /home/cngo
Continue [?/Y/n]? y

Extracting files using tape drive 0 on host typha.nmsu.edu.
Load tape Biology-1 now
Continue [?/Y/n/s/t]? y
EOF, check amidxtaped.timestamp.debug file on typha.nmsu.edu.
amrecover: short block 0 bytes
UNKNOWN file
amrecover: Can't read file header
extract_list - child returned non-zero status: 1
Continue [?/Y/n/r]? y
amrecover 


That error disappears if I comment out the 'tapedev 0 'in my amanda.conf file

-amanda.conf--
tpchanger chg-scsi# the tape-changer glue script
tapedev 0
changerfile /usr/pkg/etc/amanda/backup/chg-scsi.conf
---

However if I do that, amcheck generates the following error:

---
% amcheck backup
Amanda Tape Server Host Check
-
Holding disk /data/amanda: 24318770 KB disk space available, that's plenty
amcheck-server: could not get changer info: check your config and use a config 
file for chg-scsi

Amanda Backup Client Hosts Check

Client check: 1 host checked in 0.060 seconds, 0 problems found

(brought to you by Amanda 2.4.4p2)
---

if I change 'tapedev 0 ' to 'tapedev enrst0' for example, amrecover works 
well but amcheck still gives that error message. As I understand from amanda 
documents, the value of tapedev is the configuration to use, so it should be a 
number between 0 and 9.

I don't think it's good idea to set 'tapedev 0' when running amdump and 
comment it out when running amrecover. I would appreciate it very much if 
anyone could advise me how to resolve that problem.

Thank you very much,

Co 


Re: Erroneous Last full dump overwritten message

2004-07-08 Thread Alexander Jolk
KEVIN ZEMBOWER wrote:
 Also, is there something missing after the word 'tape' in the message, planner: 
 Last full dump of www:sda11 on tape  overwritten in 1 run.? On my other operating 
 amanda system, this is usually filled in by the tape name.

I've seen the same thing here, and I believe it is caused by a dump
that's been forgotten on holding disk and won't be flushed.  Can happen
when you do several amdumps on the same day, it seems.

Sound plausible to someone?

Alex

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Re: Erroneous Last full dump overwritten message

2004-07-08 Thread Paul Bijnens
Alexander Jolk wrote:
KEVIN ZEMBOWER wrote:
Also, is there something missing after the word 'tape' in the
message, planner: Last full dump of www:sda11 on tape  overwritten
in 1 run.? On my other operating amanda system, this is usually
filled in by the tape name.

I've seen the same thing here, and I believe it is caused by a dump 
that's been forgotten on holding disk and won't be flushed.  Can
happen when you do several amdumps on the same day, it seems.

Sound plausible to someone?
That's correct.
It's a little bug in the code.
Creating a little patch is on my todo list (when I find the time).
The bug is in this little subroutine in planner.c.  Something that
shouldnt happen does happen:  when the last full dump is
on holdingdisk, then the routine gets called with an empty label,
and it returns 1 to trigger warning message.
 925 static int when_overwrite(label)
 926 char *label;
 927 {
 928 tape_t *tp;
 929
 930 if((tp = lookup_tapelabel(label)) == NULL)
 931 return 1;   /* shouldn't happen, but trigger warning 
message */
 932 else if(!reusable_tape(tp))
 933 return 1024;
 934 else if(lookup_nb_tape()  conf_tapecycle)
 935 return (lookup_nb_tape() - tp-position) / conf_runtapes;
 936 else
 937 return (conf_tapecycle - tp-position) / conf_runtapes;
 938 }
 939

You see where the empty tape name comes from and the overwritten in 1
run too.
I didn't yet decide how to resolve it.  Is an empty label really
an indication of a dump on holdingdisk in all cases?  In that case
just return 1024 or so.
Or should we change infofile to use some string like **HOLDINGDISK**
as a fake tapelabel?
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Re: amdump/amrecover problem

2004-07-08 Thread Eric Schnoebelen

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- I've got the following error when I run amrecover:
- 
- -
- amrecover add dumpdates
- Added /etc/dumpdates
- amrecover extract
- 
- Extracting files using tape drive 0 on host typha.nmsu.edu.
- The following tapes are needed: Biology-1
- 
- Restoring files into directory /home/cngo
- Continue [?/Y/n]? y
- 
- Extracting files using tape drive 0 on host typha.nmsu.edu.
- Load tape Biology-1 now
- Continue [?/Y/n/s/t]? y
- EOF, check amidxtaped.timestamp.debug file on typha.nmsu.edu.
- amrecover: short block 0 bytes
- UNKNOWN file
- amrecover: Can't read file header
- extract_list - child returned non-zero status: 1
- Continue [?/Y/n/r]? y
- amrecover 
- 

What are the contents of amidxtaped.timestamp.debug?
That'd probably be most enlightening.

As a guess, I'd say that the tape `Biology-1' wasn't
loaded when amidxtaped went to try and read from it.  Did you
see (hear?) the robot load the tape at the after you answered
yes, and before the above error message occurred.

- That error disappears if I comment out the 'tapedev 0 'in my amanda.conf 
- file

The error disappears, but are you able to restore the
file?

--
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If bankers can count, how come they have eight windows and only four tellers?


Re: amdump/amrecover problem

2004-07-08 Thread Miguel Angelo Rozsas
On Thursday 08 July 2004 14:52, Eric Schnoebelen wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 - I've got the following error when I run amrecover:
 -
 - -
 - amrecover add dumpdates
 - Added /etc/dumpdates
 - amrecover extract
 -
 - Extracting files using tape drive 0 on host typha.nmsu.edu.
 - The following tapes are needed: Biology-1
 -
 - Restoring files into directory /home/cngo
 - Continue [?/Y/n]? y
 -
 - Extracting files using tape drive 0 on host typha.nmsu.edu.
 - Load tape Biology-1 now
 - Continue [?/Y/n/s/t]? y
 - EOF, check amidxtaped.timestamp.debug file on typha.nmsu.edu.
 - amrecover: short block 0 bytes
 - UNKNOWN file
 - amrecover: Can't read file header
 - extract_list - child returned non-zero status: 1
 - Continue [?/Y/n/r]? y
 - amrecover
 - 

   What are the contents of amidxtaped.timestamp.debug?
 That'd probably be most enlightening.

There are several debug and diagnostics files at /tmp/amanda. They follow 
that convention.  Do you told to amanda to backup the /tmp directory (or / 
filesystem) ? Or maybe your /tmp is full, preveting the creation of the 
file...


   As a guess, I'd say that the tape `Biology-1' wasn't
 loaded when amidxtaped went to try and read from it.  Did you
 see (hear?) the robot load the tape at the after you answered
 yes, and before the above error message occurred.

 - That error disappears if I comment out the 'tapedev 0 'in my
 amanda.conf - file

   The error disappears, but are you able to restore the
 file?

 --
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problems compiling amanda 2.4.4p3 or p2 on AIX 5.2...

2004-07-08 Thread Anthony Nguyen
x-tad-biggerHello everyone.  Is there anyone who can help me with this little problem I am having during compilation?  I have the latest amanda source, 2.4.4p3 and trying to compile it on an AIX 5.2 system.  I run into this same error with the 2.4.4p2 source as well... so what is it that I need to tweak or add??

./configure --without-server --with-user=amanda --with-group=disk --prefix=/usr/local/amanda

messages to note:

--PASTED-->>

configure: WARNING: *** Neither shmget() nor mmap() found!
configure: WARNING: *** This system will not support the Amanda server.

--END PASTE-->>

* should not be a problem seeing that I only want to make this AIX box an amanda client.

now, when running make, it craps out at the very start
with this:

--PASTED-->>

Making all in config
/home/amnguyen/amanda-2.4.4p3/config
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/amnguyen/amanda-2.4.4p3/config'
make  all-am
make[2]: Entering directory `/home/amnguyen/amanda-2.4.4p3/config'
make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/amnguyen/amanda-2.4.4p3/config'
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/amnguyen/amanda-2.4.4p3/config'
Making all in common-src
/home/amnguyen/amanda-2.4.4p3/common-src
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/amnguyen/amanda-2.4.4p3/common-src'
if /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../config -I./../regex-src  -q32 -D_LARGE_FILES -qlonglong -q32 -D_LARGE_FILES -qlonglong -g -O2   -MT alloc.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/alloc.Tpo -c -o alloc.lo alloc.c; \
then mv -f .deps/alloc.Tpo .deps/alloc.Plo; else rm -f .deps/alloc.Tpo; exit 1; fi
mkdir .libs
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../config -I./../regex-src -q32 -D_LARGE_FILES -qlonglong -q32 -D_LARGE_FILES -qlonglong -g -O2 -MT alloc.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/alloc.Tpo -c alloc.c  -DPIC
gcc: unrecognized option `-q32'
gcc: unrecognized option `-qlonglong'
gcc: unrecognized option `-q32'
gcc: unrecognized option `-qlonglong'
In file included from alloc.c:33:
amanda.h:793: error: conflicting types for `bind'
/usr/include/sys/socket.h:433: error: previous declaration of `bind'
amanda.h:809: error: conflicting types for `connect'
/usr/include/sys/socket.h:434: error: previous declaration of `connect'
amanda.h:873: error: conflicting types for `gethostname'
/usr/include/unistd.h:817: error: previous declaration of `gethostname'
amanda.h:892: error: conflicting types for `getsockopt'
/usr/include/sys/socket.h:435: error: previous declaration of `getsockopt'
amanda.h:898: error: conflicting types for `gettimeofday'
/usr/include/sys/time.h:158: error: previous declaration of `gettimeofday'
amanda.h:944: error: conflicting types for `memmove'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-ibm-aix5.1.0.0/3.3.3/include/string.h:118: error: previous declaration of `memmove'
amanda.h:1020: error: conflicting types for `sendto'
/usr/include/sys/socket.h:439: error: previous declaration of `sendto'
amanda.h:1056: error: conflicting types for `setpgrp'
/usr/include/unistd.h:825: error: previous declaration of `setpgrp'
amanda.h:1061: error: conflicting types for `setsockopt'
/usr/include/sys/socket.h:440: error: previous declaration of `setsockopt'
In file included from alloc.c:33:
amanda.h:1123: error: conflicting types for `strncasecmp'
/usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/powerpc-ibm-aix5.1.0.0/3.3.3/include/string.h:238: error: previous declaration of `strncasecmp'
make[1]: *** [alloc.lo] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/amnguyen/amanda-2.4.4p3/common-src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

--END PASTE-->>

I'm using GNU tar, sed, bison, m4, texinfo... GCC 3.3.3 (the binaries compiled with AIX 5.1, but I don't believe that to be a problem since I get the same error message compiling amanda on AIX 4.3 with a different version of gcc)

Feedback and answers much appreciated!

Thank you in advance,
Anthony Nguyen
wannabe AIX administrator/x-tad-bigger

Compiling Amanda on Suse Ent Server 8

2004-07-08 Thread Gavin Henry
Title: Compiling Amanda on Suse Ent Server 8






Hi all,

Anyone got a good guide for compiling amanda on suse or similar, other than the INSTALL guide?

Cheers,

Gavin.





Re: amdump/amrecover problem

2004-07-08 Thread cngo
Hi,

I'm sure the tape was loaded because I checked it by running amtape and the 
files are restored when I comment out the tapedev 0. Please have a look at 
the amidxtaped* file attached. It seems that parameter for the tape device argv
[7]=0 is not what amrecover wants.
Thank you very much,

Co  

Quoting Eric Schnoebelen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 - I've got the following error when I run amrecover:
 - 
 - -
 - amrecover add dumpdates
 - Added /etc/dumpdates
 - amrecover extract
 - 
 - Extracting files using tape drive 0 on host typha.nmsu.edu.
 - The following tapes are needed: Biology-1
 - 
 - Restoring files into directory /home/cngo
 - Continue [?/Y/n]? y
 - 
 - Extracting files using tape drive 0 on host typha.nmsu.edu.
 - Load tape Biology-1 now
 - Continue [?/Y/n/s/t]? y
 - EOF, check amidxtaped.timestamp.debug file on typha.nmsu.edu.
 - amrecover: short block 0 bytes
 - UNKNOWN file
 - amrecover: Can't read file header
 - extract_list - child returned non-zero status: 1
 - Continue [?/Y/n/r]? y
 - amrecover 
 - 
 
   What are the contents of amidxtaped.timestamp.debug?
 That'd probably be most enlightening.
 
   As a guess, I'd say that the tape `Biology-1' wasn't
 loaded when amidxtaped went to try and read from it.  Did you
 see (hear?) the robot load the tape at the after you answered
 yes, and before the above error message occurred.
 
 - That error disappears if I comment out the 'tapedev 0 'in my amanda.conf
 
 - file
 
   The error disappears, but are you able to restore the
 file?
 
 --
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 If bankers can count, how come they have eight windows and only four
 tellers?
 


amidxtaped: debug 1 pid 3582 ruid  euid : start at Thu Jul  8 08:13:53 2004
amidxtaped: version 2.4.4p2
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  SECURITY USER root
amidxtaped: time 0.190: bsd security: remote host typha.nmsu.edu user root local user 
backup
amidxtaped: time 0.190: amandahosts security check passed
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  CONFIG=backup
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  LABEL=Biology-1
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  FSF=1
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  HEADER
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  DEVICE=0
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  HOST=^typha$
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  DISK=^sd0a$
amidxtaped: time 0.190:  DATESTAMP=20040707
amidxtaped: time 0.191:  END
amidxtaped: time 0.192: amrestore_nargs=0
amidxtaped: time 0.192: Ready to execv amrestore with:
path = /usr/pkg/sbin/amrestore
argv[0] = amrestore
argv[1] = -p
argv[2] = -h
argv[3] = -l
argv[4] = Biology-1
argv[5] = -f
argv[6] = 1
argv[7] = 0
argv[8] = ^typha$
argv[9] = ^sd0a$
argv[10] = 20040707
amrestore: could not stat 0: No such file or directory
amidxtaped: time 0.195: amrestore terminated normally with status: 2
amidxtaped: could not stat 0: No such file or directory
amidxtaped: time 0.195: could not stat 0: No such file or directory
amidxtaped: time 0.195: pid 3582 finish time Thu Jul  8 08:13:53 2004


recommend a cheap jukebox?

2004-07-08 Thread Max Waterman
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Hi,
Can anyone recommend a cheap jukebox - or are they all in the
thousands-of-dollars range?
I currently use DDS4 tapes.
Max.
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