Re: Hi guys!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: goscinny //tweety/notesdata$ server-compress goscinny being the backuphost Just a note: It doesn't have to be the backup-server! It could be any host. E. g. if you have a department connected through by a small bandwith, it should be a host inside the remote network where the Windows machine is. Then this host is gathering the data from the Windows machine and can compress and send the data to your backupserver. This saves much time. There's a example configuration also in the wiki: http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/Backup_client#Example_configuration Regards Marc -- Marc Muehlfeld (Leitung Systemadministration) Zentrum fuer Humangenetik und Laboratoriumsmedizin Dr. Klein und Dr. Rost Lochhamer Str. 29 - D-82152 Martinsried Telefon: +49(0)89/895578-0 - Fax: +49(0)89/895578-78 http://www.medizinische-genetik.de
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This is a working example : disklist : goscinny //tweety/notesdata$ server-compress goscinny being the backuphost //tweety/notesdata the windows server + sharename (note the $ for a hidden share) server-compress is the dumptype /etc/amandapass //tweety/notesdata$ user%passwd user and passwd should be obvious ;-) Hope that helps Bert Met vriendelijke groeten, Bert De Ridder PeopleWare NV Duwijckstraat 17 B-2500 Lier Tel: +32 3 448.33.38 Fax: +32 3 448.32.66 Mario Silva Borrego <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17/01/2008 00:46 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To amanda List cc Subject Hi guys! [Scanned by ClamAV] Hey guys: Hope you are fine. I have my amanda server working very nice. But now I have the need to run some backups in windows Can someone send some examples how to setup the disklist file please Because I tryed and I could not do it work So I will really appreciate your help mario -- Mario Silva Borrego Systems Administrator Supreme Court of New Mexico Judicial Information Division 2905 Rodeo Park Dr. East, Bldg. #5 Santa Fe, NM 87505 Phone: (505) 476-6959 / Mobil: (505) 660-1026 Fax:(505) 476-6952 Website: http://www.nmcourts.gov mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LEGAL DISCLAIMER: The content of this data transmission is not considered as an offer, proposal, understanding, or agreement unless it is confirmed in a document signed by a legal representative of Supreme Court of the State of New Mexico or the Judicial Information Division. The content of this data transmission is confidential and it is intended to be delivered only to the addresses, therefore, it shall not be distributed and/or disclosed through any mean without the original sender's previous authorization. If you are not the addressee you are forbidden to use it, either totally or partially, for any purpose. AVISO LEGAL: El contenido de este mensaje de datos no se considera oferta, propuesta o acuerdo, sino hasta que sea confirmado en documento por escrito que contenga la firma autógrafa del apoderado legal de La Suprema Corte del Estado de Nuevo Mexico o de la Division de Informatica del Estado. El contenido de este mensaje de datos es confidencial y se entiende dirigido y para uso exclusivo del destinatario, por lo que no podrá distribuirse y/o difundirse por ningún medio sin la previa autorización del emisor original. Si usted no es el destinatario, se le prohíbe su utilización total o parcial para cualquier fin. mario.silva.vcf Description: Binary data
Re: hi
On Thursday 15 January 2004 16:10, Shashi Kanbur wrote: >hi, what i found was that if I extract the tape file onto disk >with amrestore /dev/nst0 moa > >and then > >dd if= bs=32k skip=1 of=a >and then tar xvf a it works. >I tried to combine the two commands >dd if bs=32k skip=1 | tar xvf IIRC, the tar command should have had a - after it. dd if=file bs=32768 skip=1 | tar xzvf - I stuck the z in because your dumptype indicated a compressed file format. Alternatively, if you resposition the tape back at the head of that file, and do: dd if=/dev/nst0 bs=32768 count=1 it will spit out the unpacking instructions for that particular file. If you have that header still attached at the front of the file you could probably do the same thing with it. >but it doesnt like it. Any suggestions here? > >On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Thursday 15 January 2004 13:17, Shashi Kanbur wrote: >> >Im using amanda version 2.4.4p1 on a linux amanda server and >> > backing up mainly linux machines but also two irix machines. the >> > disklist entry for these states >> > >> >/scr comp-home-tar >> > >> >and the log file states that the backup was successful. However, >> > when I use amrecover to get the files, it syas there are no >> > index files. When I look in curinfo, I find the tape it used, >> > load that tape and then use amrestore to get a file back onto my >> > linux server. >> >But how do I convert this file to directories and files as on the >> > original irix machine? >> >> If you are saying that you now have that tapefile as one piece on >> the server, presumably extracted from the tape with dd, did you >> not read the 32k header in front of it? That header contains the >> example command line that you would use to extract its constituant >> pieces, the dirs and files actually packed into that tapefile. >> >> >From the dumptype spec'ed above, I would assume that once it was >> > moved >> >> to someplace temp with enough storage room to contain it, then a: >> "tar xzvf tapefilename" should unpack it by automaticly calling >> gunzip and feeding its output back into tar. From there, you can >> them move the stuff to where you want it. >> >> Or is my crystal ball broken and thats not what you wanted? >> Sometimes it jumps to conclusions when not enough data is >> presented. >> >> :) >> : >> >Shashi Kanbur >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Five College Astronomy Department, >> >University of Massachusetts, >> >Amherst, >> >MA 01003 >> >USA >> >(413) 577 0470 (413) 545 4223 >> > (Fax) >> >> -- >> Cheers, Gene >> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, >> ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author) >> 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly >> Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message >> by Gene Heskett are: >> Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. > > > > >Shashi Kanbur > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Five College Astronomy Department, >University of Massachusetts, >Amherst, >MA 01003 >USA >(413) 577 0470 (413) 545 4223 (Fax) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
RE: hi
Hi Shashi! > dd if= bs=32k skip=1 of=a > and then tar xvf a it works. > I tried to combine the two commands > dd if bs=32k skip=1 | tar xvf Try this... dd if= bs=32k skip=1 | tar xvf - Good luck! Glenn -- Glenn E. Sieb System Administrator Lumeta Corporation +1 732 357-3514 (V) +1 732 564-0731 (Fax)
Re: hi
hi, what i found was that if I extract the tape file onto disk with amrestore /dev/nst0 moa and then dd if= bs=32k skip=1 of=a and then tar xvf a it works. I tried to combine the two commands dd if bs=32k skip=1 | tar xvf but it doesnt like it. Any suggestions here? On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 15 January 2004 13:17, Shashi Kanbur wrote: > >Im using amanda version 2.4.4p1 on a linux amanda server and backing > > up mainly linux machines but also two irix machines. the disklist > > entry for these states > > > >/scr comp-home-tar > > > >and the log file states that the backup was successful. However, > > when I use amrecover to get the files, it syas there are no index > > files. When I look in curinfo, I find the tape it used, load that > > tape and then use amrestore to get a file back onto my linux > > server. > >But how do I convert this file to directories and files as on the > > original irix machine? > > If you are saying that you now have that tapefile as one piece on the > server, presumably extracted from the tape with dd, did you not read > the 32k header in front of it? That header contains the example > command line that you would use to extract its constituant pieces, > the dirs and files actually packed into that tapefile. > > >From the dumptype spec'ed above, I would assume that once it was moved > to someplace temp with enough storage room to contain it, then a: > "tar xzvf tapefilename" should unpack it by automaticly calling gunzip > and feeding its output back into tar. From there, you can them move > the stuff to where you want it. > > Or is my crystal ball broken and thats not what you wanted? > Sometimes it jumps to conclusions when not enough data is presented. > :) > > >Shashi Kanbur > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Five College Astronomy Department, > >University of Massachusetts, > >Amherst, > >MA 01003 > >USA > >(413) 577 0470 (413) 545 4223 (Fax) > > -- > Cheers, Gene > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, > ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly > Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message > by Gene Heskett are: > Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. > > Shashi Kanbur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Five College Astronomy Department, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA (413) 577 0470 (413) 545 4223 (Fax)
Re: hi
On Thursday 15 January 2004 13:17, Shashi Kanbur wrote: >Im using amanda version 2.4.4p1 on a linux amanda server and backing > up mainly linux machines but also two irix machines. the disklist > entry for these states > >/scr comp-home-tar > >and the log file states that the backup was successful. However, > when I use amrecover to get the files, it syas there are no index > files. When I look in curinfo, I find the tape it used, load that > tape and then use amrestore to get a file back onto my linux > server. >But how do I convert this file to directories and files as on the > original irix machine? If you are saying that you now have that tapefile as one piece on the server, presumably extracted from the tape with dd, did you not read the 32k header in front of it? That header contains the example command line that you would use to extract its constituant pieces, the dirs and files actually packed into that tapefile. >From the dumptype spec'ed above, I would assume that once it was moved to someplace temp with enough storage room to contain it, then a: "tar xzvf tapefilename" should unpack it by automaticly calling gunzip and feeding its output back into tar. From there, you can them move the stuff to where you want it. Or is my crystal ball broken and thats not what you wanted? Sometimes it jumps to conclusions when not enough data is presented. :) >Shashi Kanbur > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Five College Astronomy Department, >University of Massachusetts, >Amherst, >MA 01003 >USA >(413) 577 0470 (413) 545 4223 (Fax) -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 99.22% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly Yahoo.com attornies please note, additions to this message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2004 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
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RE: hi,i wanna unsubsribe,but why not ok?
Title: RE: hi,i wanna unsubsribe,but why not ok? I gave up unsubscribing. I just set a rule in my outlook to delete mail. Hell, my company simply changed Domain names (after I subscribed) and that is what is screwing me. -Original Message-From: Steve Macpherson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:35 AMTo: 'tender(???)'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: hi,i wanna unsubsribe,but why not ok? Me too. I'm getting email forwarded from a previous company so figured I'm not unsubscribing from the proper email address. But it should be easy enough to verify (send email to my old address, forward to new and I reply). Is there a list moderator??? -steve > -Original Message- > From: tender(???) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 09 October 2003 11:20 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: hi,i wanna unsubsribe,but why not ok? > > i tried using the right format for many times,yet ...
RE: hi,i wanna unsubsribe,but why not ok?
Title: RE: hi,i wanna unsubsribe,but why not ok? Me too. I'm getting email forwarded from a previous company so figured I'm not unsubscribing from the proper email address. But it should be easy enough to verify (send email to my old address, forward to new and I reply). Is there a list moderator??? -steve > -Original Message- > From: tender(???) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 09 October 2003 11:20 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: hi,i wanna unsubsribe,but why not ok? > > i tried using the right format for many times,yet ...
Re: HI ALL
On Friday 11 October 2002 06:22, O-Zone wrote:
>Hi All,
>i'm a new user Amanda user. I've got installed 2.4.3 and i'm
> unable to get it working correctly. I've got a SCSI TAPE STREAMER
> Sony SDT-9000 with Sequential-Access attacched to scsi tape
> device st0. There's no disk tape changer. So i'll try to
> configure Amanda,removing all unused files in
> /usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily, in that way:
>
>-- amanda.conf
># MOON.TDSIENA.IT
>org "Daily"# your organization name for reports
>mailto "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" # space separated list of operators
> at your site
>dumpuser "backup" # the user to run dumps under
>
>inparallel 4 # maximum dumpers that will run in parallel (max 63)
> # this maximum can be increased at compile-time,
> # modifying MAX_DUMPERS in server-src/driverio.h
>dumporder "sssS" # specify the priority order of each dumper
> # s -> smallest size
> # S -> biggest size
> # t -> smallest time
> # T -> biggest time
> # b -> smallest bandwitdh
> # B -> biggest bandwitdh
> # try "BTBTBTBTBTBT" if you are not holding
> # disk constrained
>netusage 600 Kbps # maximum net bandwidth for Amanda, in KB per
> sec
>
>dumpcycle 1 weeks # the number of days in the normal dump cycle
>runspercycle 5 # the number of amdump runs in dumpcycle
> days # (4 weeks * 5 amdump runs per week -- just weekdays)
>tapecycle 5 tapes # the number of tapes in rotation
> # 4 weeks (dumpcycle) times 5 tapes per week (just
> # the weekdays) plus a few to handle errors that
> # need amflush and so we do not overwrite the full
> # backups performed at the beginning of the previous
> # cycle
###
The above setup, while it will work, is considered to be dangerous
to your data because you will at any one time, be over-writing your
only copy of last weeks work with the current work. If you were to
have a power outage in the middle of writing a tape, the whole
thing is blown. Its considered to be good practice to have at
least 2x or more runspercycle tapes in tapecycle. These tapes are
quite inexpensive so get another 10 pack so you'll have spares,
putting say 7 or 8 of them into the tapecycle. By doing this, you
are assured of haveing a full backup of the system at least 2
dumpcycles deep.
>bumpsize 20 Mb # minimum savings (threshold) to bump level 1 -> 2
>bumpdays 1 # minimum days at each level
>bumpmult 4 # threshold = bumpsize * bumpmult^(level-1)
>etimeout 300 # number of seconds per filesystem for estimates.
>dtimeout 1800 # number of idle seconds before a dump is aborted.
>ctimeout 30# maximum number of seconds that amcheck waits
> # for each client host
>tapebufs 20
This can be run up a ways if you have plenty of ram, I use 60 here
with half a gig of ram.
>runtapes 1 # number of tapes to be used in a single run of amdump
Your tapetype is only a 2gigger, is this big enough?
>tpchanger "chg-manual" # the tape-changer glue script
if runtapes is 1 then comment the above line out, else if it needs
more than one tape in runtapes, use chg-manual but that will
require your presence at change time.
>tapedev "/dev/st0" # the no-rewind tape device to be used
But you have specified the rewinding device here, it should be
/dev/nst0. Using st0 is a big non-no.
-
you don't need any of this from here
>rawtapedev "/dev/nftape" # the raw device to be used (ftape only)
>changerfile "/usr/local/etc/amanda/Daily/changer.conf"
>changerdev "/dev/null"
to here
--
>
>tapetype HP-DDS# what kind of tape it is (see tapetypes below)
>labelstr "^Daily[0-9][0-9]*$" # label constraint regex: all tapes
> must match
>
>holdingdisk hd1 {
>comment "main holding disk"
>directory "/home/amanda" # where the holding disk is
>use 640 Mb # how much space can we use on it
> # a non-positive value means:
> #use all space but that value
>chunksize 1Gb # size of chunk if you want big dump to be
> # dumped on multiple files on holding disks
> # N Kb/Mb/Gb split images in chunks of size N
> # The maximum value should be
> # (MAX_FILE_SIZE - 1Mb)
> # 0 same as INT_MAX bytes
>}
>
>reserve 30
Re: Hi
Personally, my largest source of "delete-able" mail by far is this list. That is not a comment upon its overall value, just that most of what I get on a daily basis does not apply to me. Typically either I do not have the configuration being inquired about (for example, we do not use tape changers), or I do not have the immediate AMANDA problem described. (Thus the archiving of digests for when that issue does arise.) I also subscribe to the digest that gets echoed to YahooGroups, and would subscribe only to it (and not the individual email list) if the digest permitted replies so that a digest subscriber could take part in the discussion. As it is, I keep the individual list emails for a few days then delete them and file the digests for future reference. Larry A. Dunham Systems Support Specialist FirsTech, Inc. Voice (217) 421-7143 Fax (217) 421-7148
RE: hi
ENOUGH ALREADY... Take this battle off list, please. -Original Message- From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: hi On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 04:08:22PM +0100, Spicer, Kevin wrote: > One possibility is to allow anonymous users to post through a web page, but only list members to post via email. If a non-member attempts to post via email they should recieve a polite bounce referring them to the website. Seems reasonable, provided that the web page is suffficiently intelligent to allow nonsubscribers to respond to any replies they receive without breaking threading (and, preferably, with quoting). Some questions require the submission of additional information, etc.
Re: hi
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 12:38:03PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote: > [ On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 09:14:54 (-0500), Dave Sherohman wrote: ] > > On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote: > > > I beg to differ. List servers should be no more tolerant of accepting > > > e-mail from known abusers, dial-up/DSL/cable addresses, > > > > ITYM "ISP DHCP pools". A static IP address is a static IP address, > > regardless of whether the device's uplink is via T1, ISDN, DSL, cable, > > modem, or carrier pigeon. You can't assume that someone's a spammer > > purely based on their physical connection to the network. > > Did I say "static"? I don't think I said anything about "static IP > addresses." Not explicitly, but some DSL/cable/dialup connections have static addresses, which is why I suggested that you might want to amend your statement from "dial-up/DSL/cable addresses" to "ISP DHCP pools". A static address on a DSL line is just as trackable and just as accountable as a static address on a T1. > You can assume someone is not allowed to make outbound SMTP connections > from certain classes of service. And why is that? Guess what - the address I'm sending this from belongs to a domain (westling.com) which lives at the end of a DSL line on a block of static IP addresses. Why DSL? Because a couple years back, we took a look at the market, saw that it cost $X/month for 256k fractional T1 vs. $ If users want to get free support for free software then they'd damn > well better be prepared to "get involved", even if only for a few days. "Get involved"? By being subjected to mail on topics they most likely are uninterested in and may not even comprehend? I don't see how that does anyone any good. > Your attitude is B.S. You don't like it? No skin off my teeth. But I'm not the one saying that I don't want to help anyone until after they've jumped through my hoops.
Re: hi
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 04:08:22PM +0100, Spicer, Kevin wrote: > One possibility is to allow anonymous users to post through a web page, but only >list members to post via email. If a non-member attempts to post via email they >should recieve a polite bounce referring them to the website. Seems reasonable, provided that the web page is suffficiently intelligent to allow nonsubscribers to respond to any replies they receive without breaking threading (and, preferably, with quoting). Some questions require the submission of additional information, etc.
Re: hi
Multiple people have mentioned similar ideas: procmail and a filter. I just set up spamassassin (http://www.spamassassin.org/) a week or so ago and it has correctly identified all spam to this list, and almost all spam vs. non-spam I've received on the rest of my accounts, too. It sets up very nicely as the first (filter) rule of a procmail config. It seems to be the de facto standard for spam filtering these days. On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 12:22:32PM -0500, Tony Shadwick wrote: > Honestly, it may seem a bit presumptuous, but most of us are probably on > unix mail servers. It also seems obvious that most of us probably use > procmail. > > That being the case, might I suggest using Spambouncer? > http://www.spambouncer.org. Just add /path/to/spambouncer/folder/sb.rc to > your list of recipes, and turn on the switches you want and you're set. I > don't get spam. Period. >
RE: hi
[ On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 16:08:22 (+0100), Spicer, Kevin wrote: ] > Subject: RE: hi > > One possibility is to allow anonymous users to post through a web > page, but only list members to post via email. If a non-member > attempts to post via email they should recieve a polite bounce > referring them to the website. Web front-ends to allow sending of e-mail via http are a growing problem, not just because lots of spamware now is programmed to abuse them, but also for other issues. You can't trust the origins of any e-mail received from such a gateway. However your suggestion is not without merit. Perhaps if the bounce included a one-time (or short-lived) password for the HTTP/SMTP gateway -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098;<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Planix, Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: hi
[ On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 09:14:54 (-0500), Dave Sherohman wrote: ] > Subject: Re: hi > > On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote: > > I beg to differ. List servers should be no more tolerant of accepting > > e-mail from known abusers, dial-up/DSL/cable addresses, > > ITYM "ISP DHCP pools". A static IP address is a static IP address, > regardless of whether the device's uplink is via T1, ISDN, DSL, cable, > modem, or carrier pigeon. You can't assume that someone's a spammer > purely based on their physical connection to the network. Did I say "static"? I don't think I said anything about "static IP addresses." You can assume someone is not allowed to make outbound SMTP connections from certain classes of service. ISPs register their dial-up/DSL/cable addresses with the various DNSRBLs specifically so third parties can block their users connections. Of course an increasing number of ISPs are simply blocking or proxying all outbound SMTP connections from such classes of users anyway, which they should have done right from the start, but until they all do such blocking or proxying it is necessary for concientious postmasters to block connections from addresses listed in those DNSRBLs. > > No, I don't think so. All postings to un-moderated lists like this > > should be only from validated subscribers. Interested users can > > subscribe just long enough to discuss their issues if they don't want to > > remain subscribed. > > And receive how many dozens/hundreds of unrelated messages from the list > over the course of a few days while discussing and resolving their issues? > Sorry, can't agree with you here. Then they can buy dedicated support from one of the zillions of independent contractors who support free software like Amanda. If users want to get free support for free software then they'd damn well better be prepared to "get involved", even if only for a few days. Your attitude is B.S. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098;<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Planix, Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RE: hi
One possibility is to allow anonymous users to post through a web page, but only list members to post via email. If a non-member attempts to post via email they should recieve a polite bounce referring them to the website. -Original Message- From: Dave Sherohman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 10 September 2002 15:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: hi There is such a thing as being overly paranoid... On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote: > I beg to differ. List servers should be no more tolerant of accepting > e-mail from known abusers, dial-up/DSL/cable addresses, ITYM "ISP DHCP pools". A static IP address is a static IP address, regardless of whether the device's uplink is via T1, ISDN, DSL, cable, modem, or carrier pigeon. You can't assume that someone's a spammer purely based on their physical connection to the network. > No, I don't think so. All postings to un-moderated lists like this > should be only from validated subscribers. Interested users can > subscribe just long enough to discuss their issues if they don't want to > remain subscribed. And receive how many dozens/hundreds of unrelated messages from the list over the course of a few days while discussing and resolving their issues? Sorry, can't agree with you here. > Bug reports from non-subscribers should go to a separate (hopefully > low-traffic) list that only select developers and other highly > interested parties need to subscribe to, After all, we wouldn't want the list's normal riff-raff to learn anything from non-subscribers' questions or - heaven forbid! - have someone other than "select developers and other highly interested parties" offer help to them. BMRB International http://www.bmrb.co.uk +44 (0)20 8566 5000 This message (and any attachment) is intended only for the recipient and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and delete this message immediately. Disclosure, copying or other action taken in respect of this email or in reliance on it is prohibited. BMRB International Limited accepts no liability in relation to any personal emails, or content of any email which does not directly relate to our business. BMRB International http://www.bmrb.co.uk +44 (0)20 8566 5000 This message (and any attachment) is intended only for the recipient and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and delete this message immediately. Disclosure, copying or other action taken in respect of this email or in reliance on it is prohibited. BMRB International Limited accepts no liability in relation to any personal emails, or content of any email which does not directly relate to our business.
Re: hi
There is such a thing as being overly paranoid... On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Greg A. Woods wrote: > I beg to differ. List servers should be no more tolerant of accepting > e-mail from known abusers, dial-up/DSL/cable addresses, ITYM "ISP DHCP pools". A static IP address is a static IP address, regardless of whether the device's uplink is via T1, ISDN, DSL, cable, modem, or carrier pigeon. You can't assume that someone's a spammer purely based on their physical connection to the network. > No, I don't think so. All postings to un-moderated lists like this > should be only from validated subscribers. Interested users can > subscribe just long enough to discuss their issues if they don't want to > remain subscribed. And receive how many dozens/hundreds of unrelated messages from the list over the course of a few days while discussing and resolving their issues? Sorry, can't agree with you here. > Bug reports from non-subscribers should go to a separate (hopefully > low-traffic) list that only select developers and other highly > interested parties need to subscribe to, After all, we wouldn't want the list's normal riff-raff to learn anything from non-subscribers' questions or - heaven forbid! - have someone other than "select developers and other highly interested parties" offer help to them.
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On Monday 09 September 2002 14:59, Rebecca Pakish wrote: >Seems the email ABOUT the spam is taking up more of my time than > the spam itself. > >While I've gotten the names of a few more open source anti-spam > products...I think the ultimate solution is to send complaints to > the postmaster instead of the list itself, don't you? Let's add > these great suggestions and explanations to the FAQ-o-matic and > move on. > I don't bother with postmaster messages any more, since these jerks don't know what an RFC is, and such messages end up wasting my time because they bounce. I just drag-n-drop to the ftc folder and send it off a couple of times a day. But I agree, move on. > [...] -- Cheers, Gene AMD K6-III@500mhz 320M Athlon1600XP@1400mhz 512M 99.14% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
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[ On Monday, September 9, 2002 at 13:18:23 (-0500), Brandon D. Valentine wrote: ] > Subject: Re: hi > > Our respective tolerance levels are irrelevant to the issue at hand. > Spam filtering is the responsibility of the recipient, not an > intermediary like the Amanda listserv. I beg to differ. List servers should be no more tolerant of accepting e-mail from known abusers, dial-up/DSL/cable addresses, or known open relays, etc. than any other decent mail server. > The Amanda mailing list should continue to remain open to > non-subscribers. No, I don't think so. All postings to un-moderated lists like this should be only from validated subscribers. Interested users can subscribe just long enough to discuss their issues if they don't want to remain subscribed. Bug reports from non-subscribers should go to a separate (hopefully low-traffic) list that only select developers and other highly interested parties need to subscribe to, and which could be filtered through something like bogofilter or spamassassin prior to redistribution (or they could even go direct to an e-mail based trouble ticketing system like GNATS that would in effect auto-moderate by classifying reports). -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098;<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Planix, Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Christ, what does this have to do with Amanda - take it offline. -- Sam Nicolary On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM wrote: > > Our respective tolerance levels are irrelevant to the issue at hand. > > Spam filtering is the responsibility of the recipient, not an > > intermediary like the Amanda listserv. > > I really disagree with that. In the arena of "spam filtering" it's better to > have as many bottlenecks as possible. By allowing a list server to open to > relaying spam, it's like allowing an email server to be open to relaying, > which is generally recognized these days as a bad way to configure your mail > server. > > > > If the amount of spam on this > > list is too much for you then select a spam filter which fits > > your needs > > and install it. > > Listen. The reason I'm bringing this issue up, is because I've got several > lists I'm subscribed to, and most of them have very little or no spam. Plus > the spam on this list seems to be increasing dramatically. > > Open lists do invite spam, but > > as I said > > above if that bothers you it's your responsibility to filter it. > > I think there should be a concerted effort on the part of the list > administrators as well > > MikeM. >
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Seems the email ABOUT the spam is taking up more of my time than the spam itself. While I've gotten the names of a few more open source anti-spam products...I think the ultimate solution is to send complaints to the postmaster instead of the list itself, don't you? Let's add these great suggestions and explanations to the FAQ-o-matic and move on. -Original Message- From: Brandon D. Valentine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 1:18 PM To: Jon LaBadie Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: hi On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Jon LaBadie wrote: >Each of us has different tolerance levels, this is not reaching my serious >irritation point. [ Not directed at Jon since he was not the one complaining. ] Our respective tolerance levels are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Spam filtering is the responsibility of the recipient, not an intermediary like the Amanda listserv. If the amount of spam on this list is too much for you then select a spam filter which fits your needs and install it. It's not like this software hasn't existed for years now. Plus, there's been an evolutionary leap in the technology lately. Now content-based filters have been eclipsed by the promise of probabilistic analysis. Check out bogofilter[0] for a program which you can teach to identify content which doesn't interest you and filter it. The Amanda mailing list should continue to remain open to non-subscribers. This is a fairly high traffic list and those with incidental amanda questions should not be required to subscribe to it in order to post their question. Open lists do invite spam, but as I said above if that bothers you it's your responsibility to filter it. Your membership in an open mailing list is your decision. Nobody at the Amanda listserv is forwarding you anything you didn't sign up for. [0] - http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/bogofilter/ -- Brandon D. Valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Computer Geek, Center for Structural Biology "This isn't rocket science -- but it _is_ computer science." - Terry Lambert on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Our respective tolerance levels are irrelevant to the issue at hand. > Spam filtering is the responsibility of the recipient, not an > intermediary like the Amanda listserv. I really disagree with that. In the arena of "spam filtering" it's better to have as many bottlenecks as possible. By allowing a list server to open to relaying spam, it's like allowing an email server to be open to relaying, which is generally recognized these days as a bad way to configure your mail server. > If the amount of spam on this > list is too much for you then select a spam filter which fits > your needs > and install it. Listen. The reason I'm bringing this issue up, is because I've got several lists I'm subscribed to, and most of them have very little or no spam. Plus the spam on this list seems to be increasing dramatically. Open lists do invite spam, but > as I said > above if that bothers you it's your responsibility to filter it. I think there should be a concerted effort on the part of the list administrators as well MikeM.
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Jon LaBadie wrote: >Each of us has different tolerance levels, this is not reaching my serious >irritation point. [ Not directed at Jon since he was not the one complaining. ] Our respective tolerance levels are irrelevant to the issue at hand. Spam filtering is the responsibility of the recipient, not an intermediary like the Amanda listserv. If the amount of spam on this list is too much for you then select a spam filter which fits your needs and install it. It's not like this software hasn't existed for years now. Plus, there's been an evolutionary leap in the technology lately. Now content-based filters have been eclipsed by the promise of probabilistic analysis. Check out bogofilter[0] for a program which you can teach to identify content which doesn't interest you and filter it. The Amanda mailing list should continue to remain open to non-subscribers. This is a fairly high traffic list and those with incidental amanda questions should not be required to subscribe to it in order to post their question. Open lists do invite spam, but as I said above if that bothers you it's your responsibility to filter it. Your membership in an open mailing list is your decision. Nobody at the Amanda listserv is forwarding you anything you didn't sign up for. [0] - http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/bogofilter/ -- Brandon D. Valentine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Computer Geek, Center for Structural Biology "This isn't rocket science -- but it _is_ computer science." - Terry Lambert on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> I have too much time on my hands. The list messages are > saved automatically > on my system and I just scanned my archive since June 1. > Total of 2650+ messages. > I found less than twenty I could easily identify as spam. > > That means about 1 per 125 messages, or 1.5 per week for the > last 3+ months. > Certainly I could have missed some. > > Each of us has different tolerance levels, this is not > reaching my serious > irritation point. > > Michael, or anyone, are you seeing higher levels than this? i haven't kept statistics, but it seems to me that there's been something like one per day, for the past few weeks. The amount has definitely increased in the past few weeks. prior to that, the amount of spam wasn't noticeable (I've been subscribed to the list for four or five months) I didn't save any spams. I'll be on the lookout to see which connecting mail server is delivering the spam. > > A reason for some of the spam is the open policy of the list. > I.e., you do not have to subscribe to post. > This may explain the difference in amount of spam, compared to other lists I'm on, which seem to have very little spam. -Michael Martinez
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Honestly, it may seem a bit presumptuous, but most of us are probably on unix mail servers. It also seems obvious that most of us probably use procmail. That being the case, might I suggest using Spambouncer? http://www.spambouncer.org. Just add /path/to/spambouncer/folder/sb.rc to your list of recipes, and turn on the switches you want and you're set. I don't get spam. Period. Just a thought anyway. :)
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On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 08:44:54AM -0400, Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM wrote: > I really think spam control is necessary here. This mailing list is by far > the most spammed list I subscribe to (I subscribe to about twenty lists). I > never receive any spam from most of the other lists, but plenty on this one. > > > I know, I've mentioned this before, and a couple people have criticized me > for mentioning it. But as an "end-user" of this list, I figure why should it > be posting so much spam, when other lists aren't? I have too much time on my hands. The list messages are saved automatically on my system and I just scanned my archive since June 1. Total of 2650+ messages. I found less than twenty I could easily identify as spam. That means about 1 per 125 messages, or 1.5 per week for the last 3+ months. Certainly I could have missed some. Each of us has different tolerance levels, this is not reaching my serious irritation point. Michael, or anyone, are you seeing higher levels than this? If you are seeing higher levels, is it being delivered from "omniscient", the list server machine? A reason for some of the spam is the open policy of the list. I.e., you do not have to subscribe to post. The list maintainer can be reached via [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I see multiple spams from what appears to be the same source I notify the postmaster. If they are a subscriber, they are deleted and/or blocked. If they are not a subscriber but have a discrete source, I believe they are also blocked. I encourage you to take similar action to notify the postmaster. They won't do anything unless they know about the problem. -- Jon H. LaBadie [EMAIL PROTECTED] JG Computing 4455 Province Line Road(609) 252-0159 Princeton, NJ 08540-4322 (609) 683-7220 (fax)
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Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM wrote: > I really think spam control is necessary here. Done. =;-)
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On Monday 09 September 2002 08:44, Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM wrote: >I really think spam control is necessary here. This mailing list > is by far the most spammed list I subscribe to (I subscribe to > about twenty lists). I never receive any spam from most of the > other lists, but plenty on this one. > > >I know, I've mentioned this before, and a couple people have > criticized me for mentioning it. But as an "end-user" of this > list, I figure why should it be posting so much spam, when other > lists aren't? > >Michael Martinez >System Administrator >Information Systems and Technology Management >CSREES - United States Department of Agriculture >(202) 720-6223 Huh? Like most, I use a spam filter with me writing the rules. So, since I pack all that crap up and send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] daily, scanning it for false hits first, I just went thru the collection since about 22:00 last night. One piece of spam actually got thru the amanda.org server in 11 hours. I'm on one mailing list thats probably 75% spam as its been there since before forever was defined. I filter it down to 2 or 3 a day that get thru to that folder. Heck, I'd bet that with your phone number in your sig, the telemarketers are banging your ringers 10x what they're banging mine. In other words, set up a filter rule if it bothers you to get 2 spams a day from a list. In the real world, this list is about as quiet spamwise as any of the other 11 I'm subscribed to. >> -Original Message- >> From: Angel GrefurT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:56 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: hi >> >> >> http://lol.to/bbs.php?bbs=offspring >> Username: LIZA-ROOM-008 >> Password: XF459J -- Cheers, Gene AMD K6-III@500mhz 320M Athlon1600XP@1400mhz 512M 99.14% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
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I really think spam control is necessary here. This mailing list is by far the most spammed list I subscribe to (I subscribe to about twenty lists). I never receive any spam from most of the other lists, but plenty on this one. I know, I've mentioned this before, and a couple people have criticized me for mentioning it. But as an "end-user" of this list, I figure why should it be posting so much spam, when other lists aren't? Michael Martinez System Administrator Information Systems and Technology Management CSREES - United States Department of Agriculture (202) 720-6223 > -Original Message- > From: Angel GrefurT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 6:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: hi > > > http://lol.to/bbs.php?bbs=offspring > Username: LIZA-ROOM-008 > Password: XF459J > >
