Re: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses.
Whenever people start doing this on a list I am on (obnoxiously post off-topic messages) I take their addresses and use them when I am required to supply registration information on a website. Of course, I _also_ check those nasty little check boxes like "Send me email announcements and news". It is the only thing that makes putting up with inconsiderate people bearable - petty revenge, that is. Of course, I am now going to have to do this for my own address...but it is worth the sacrifice.
Re: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses.
[ On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 13:09:36 (-0500), Frank Smith wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses. > > > Some general observations on this and previous related threads: > > Amanda is free software. > The amanda-users mailing list is free. > Someone (not me) administers the list and pays for it. > When someone gets something for free, they can suggest changes to the >person(s) responsible for providing it. > The person(s) giving things away are not obligated to make any requested >changes, but may if they choose, and public opinion may or may not be >a factor in that decision. > If suggestions aren't taken, accept the fact that not everyone's opinions >and priorities are the same. > Everything in life has pros and cons, mailing lists are no exception. > No list will fit everyone's needs. Subscribe to the one's that best fit >your needs, unsubscribe from the ones that don't. > If anyone knows how to run the perfect mailing list, they should start >one and show the world how its done. Agreed on all points. ;-) -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098;<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Planix, Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses.
[ On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 14:04:58 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: ] > Subject: Re: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses. > > Its a fact of life these days, and one sets up filtering accordingly > using whatever facilities are available on ones own platform. There's no reason not to emply the same kinds of controls on any list server as one could employ on ones own platform. Indeed there's every reason to do so. It saves everyone from additional irritation and it saves everyone's bandwidth. Not only that but some controls can only be implemented on the first hop -- i.e. at the point where the spammer first injects the message, and that's the list server. Attempts to filter after that point all go downhill in effectiveness. Open list servers are very nearly as bad as open relays. The only thing that keeps them from being as bad is that they don't give 100% control over to the spammer -- people can unsubscribe from the list(s) to avoid the spam, whereas the only way to block spam from open relays is to very agressively test for them and to block _all_ email from them. > Now, lets get this list back on topic, which is amanda support and > education. This meta topic is entirely on topic for this list because this list is still passing spam unhindered to all subscribers. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098;<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Planix, Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses.
Some general observations on this and previous related threads: Amanda is free software. The amanda-users mailing list is free. Someone (not me) administers the list and pays for it. When someone gets something for free, they can suggest changes to the person(s) responsible for providing it. The person(s) giving things away are not obligated to make any requested changes, but may if they choose, and public opinion may or may not be a factor in that decision. If suggestions aren't taken, accept the fact that not everyone's opinions and priorities are the same. Everything in life has pros and cons, mailing lists are no exception. No list will fit everyone's needs. Subscribe to the one's that best fit your needs, unsubscribe from the ones that don't. If anyone knows how to run the perfect mailing list, they should start one and show the world how its done. Frank -- Frank Smith[EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Administrator Voice: 512-374-4673 Hoover's Online Fax: 512-374-4501
Re: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses.
On Tuesday 10 September 2002 13:15, Greg A. Woods wrote: [...] >Spam is not a sacrifice I'm willing to make to freely help out > other users of any free software, nor even to get free help for > software I use. Sorry, you just pulled this old mans trigger. Its a fact of life these days, and one sets up filtering accordingly using whatever facilities are available on ones own platform. If that offends you, I suggest you go back to postage stamps cause its not gonna go away. Not unless we want to pony up the license fee for something like Declude, which my ISP uses to filter viri, and to label those messages that are potentially spam because the reverse dns don't check out, or the headers are somehow bogus. I haven't asked, but I'd expect that bit of winderz software set them back 2k to 10k dollars. Should we start a collection for the amanda.org server? Not when there are such things as filters in kmail, or spamasassin. I'm not normally this grouchy an old f--t, but if you want to play in this sandbox (internet communications), then one should learn to make use of the tools that are available, or go get your own sandbox. I help as much as I can here because its a good program and project, and the authors don't always have time to hand-hold all the newbies. They did me, extensively, and now I'm returning the favor where I can, and I'm not squawking about the 2 spams a day that get thru. Its certainly not worth the typing wear and tear on these old (67+) arthritic fingers to bitch about something I can handle in my own way by packing it up and sending it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] once or twice a day. Like occasionally sweeping up, its part of the housekeeping on the internet floor. Now, lets get this list back on topic, which is amanda support and education. [...] -- Cheers, Gene AMD K6-III@500mhz 320M Athlon1600XP@1400mhz 512M 99.14% setiathome rank, not too shabby for a WV hillbilly
Re: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses.
[ On Tuesday, September 10, 2002 at 10:57:41 (+0200), Trevor Fraser wrote: ] > Subject: Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses. > > I've read through a few mails titled "Hi", and I wanted to encourage people to be a >little tolerent. The concept of not having to be on the list to post to it helps far >more people all over the world than hinders a couple of irritated subscribers. Please post messages with lines wrapped at a decent length. One spam to the list irritates all subscribers (to varying degrees). The spam will not stop on its own -- the irritation is ongoing and at this rate never ending. On polite bounce asking for a subscription first irritates only one person at a time and only very temporarily. Spam is not a sacrifice I'm willing to make to freely help out other users of any free software, nor even to get free help for software I use. > > Please DO NOT EVER send HTML, rich text, or otherwise stylized e-mail, especially not to me or to any public mailing list. Not all mail readers will recognize such formats, and their added volume is generally a total waste of bandwidth, storage, and processing power for everyone. HTML in particular is a potential security threat and many firewalls filter it entirely -- especially since CERT and Microsoft have jointly anounced a very major flaw in the HTML rendering engine used in all Microsoft products (in versions still widely in use, and which isn't even properly fixed in the most recent releases). For more information see, for instance, the following article: http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml Please send all your messages as plain text only. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098;<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Planix, Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Spam's a sacrific, at least there's no viruses.
Hello all. I've read through a few mails titled "Hi", and I wanted to encourage people to be a little tolerent. The concept of not having to be on the list to post to it helps far more people all over the world than hinders a couple of irritated subscribers. I'm not generally an excepting kind of person, but this is a definate exception, helping the global community strengthen themselves in free and open source software is what our main goal should be. Keep the cool, Trevor.
