Re: [AMaViS-user] Multiple recipient question with postfix

2005-12-30 Thread Mark Martinec
Rob,

 1) There was no way of specifying system maximums.  Eg. drop anything with
 a spam score higher then 30, or quarentine all virus emails.  The user
 could always override the maximums.

If you are talking about SQL lookups for per-recipient settings,
you must already have some SQL authentication in place and some
value validation when users are updating their settings - one would
not let users mess directly with SQL SELECT/UPDATE/INSERT.
So if you need to provide some maximum allowed value,
the most natural place to do so is in your (G)UI to SQL.

 2) If an email was sent to three recipients, and one of them passed it,
 then all recipients would get it because amavis did not modify the
 envelope.

That is not the case. Both the header tagging and appending address
extensions are fully per-recipient capable, and so is *_lovers
and setting spam levels (tag/tag2/kill).

 Does amavis support the lmtp per user responses now?
 It did not use to. I am using 2.2 with Maia.

It does on its server side. The only missing catch was handling the 4xx
responses, which came with the 2.3.0 release:

- at last: when mail is received through LMTP protocol, gracefully handle
  a temporary failure 4xx reply from MTA to a RCPT TO command and pass it
  back to a LMTP client for tempfailed recipients only, instead of returning
  450 for _all_ recipients (needed the sending routine to be aware of the
  receiving side capabilities, which was previously not available);

On the amavisd client side (forwarding mail back to MTA), LMTP is
currently not supported, mostly because of the lack of a quality
Perl module for this protocol.

  Mark


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Re: [AMaViS-user] Multiple recipient question with postfix

2005-12-28 Thread Gary V
RHutton wrote:

 It has been a long time since I have worked with Amavis, but there 
 used to be some pretty severe limitations on applying per recipient 
 policies (eg. one recipient dropping, while another recipient quarantines, 
 while another tags and passes) if the email was passed directly from 
 postfix without having the destination expansion done first.  Is this 
 still an issue?

 Thanks,
 Rob

 Rob Hutton
 DataScan Technologies

This Postfix thread is related.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=postfix-usersm=113488134818192w=2


Gary V



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Re: [AMaViS-user] Multiple recipient question with postfix

2005-12-28 Thread RHutton
Does amavis support the lmtp per user responses now?  It did not use to. I 
am using 2.2 with Maia. 

Thanks,
Rob

Rob Hutton
DataScan Technologies



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RHutton wrote:

 It has been a long time since I have worked with Amavis, but 
there 
 used to be some pretty severe limitations on applying per recipient 
 policies (eg. one recipient dropping, while another recipient 
quarantines, 
 while another tags and passes) if the email was passed directly from 
 postfix without having the destination expansion done first.  Is this 
 still an issue?

 Thanks,
 Rob

 Rob Hutton
 DataScan Technologies

This Postfix thread is related.
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=postfix-usersm=113488134818192w=2


Gary V



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Re: [AMaViS-user] Multiple recipient question with postfix

2005-12-28 Thread RHutton
The problem used to be twofold.

1) There was no way of specifying system maximums.  Eg. drop anything with 
a spam score higher then 30, or quarentine all virus emails.  The user 
could always override the maximums.

2) If an email was sent to three recipients, and one of them passed it, 
then all recipients would get it because amavis did not modify the 
envelope.

Thanks,
Rob

Rob Hutton
DataScan Technologies



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RHutton wrote:

 Does amavis support the lmtp per user responses now?  It did not use to. 
I 
 am using 2.2 with Maia. 

 Thanks,
 Rob

 Rob Hutton
 DataScan Technologies

I'm not sure this answers your question, but read:
http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/README.postfix.txt
and look for:
ALTERNATIVE FOR POSTFIX OLDER THAN 2.2

Gary V



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Re: [AMaViS-user] Multiple recipient question with postfix

2005-12-28 Thread Gary V
RHutton wrote:

 The problem used to be twofold.

 1) There was no way of specifying system maximums.  Eg. drop anything with 
 a spam score higher then 30, or quarentine all virus emails.  The user 
 could always override the maximums.

Well, the first match wins, so someone's setting will be used (someone
for example being: [EMAIL PROTECTED], @domain, @., static default), and
others that come after will not. In SQL I believe you can give the
'system' (domain or catchall) higher priority, but then the individual
would not have a further say for a particular setting. If a user does
not configure a given setting, then lower priority settings or defaults
will be used. I think to implement what you want may require two
separate installations of amavisd-new. The first would
(for example) quarantine then drop all viruses and drop anything over 30, then
forward it to the second copy where users could do what they wish. The cleanest
way may be to set up two separate servers. The downside would be the second
server could get very busy if a message had 100 local recipients as I believe it
would have to process all 100 of the separate messages. Amavisd-new
does cache results however so if it got 100 messages with the same body,
it wouldn't have to spam-check or virus check every copy.

 2) If an email was sent to three recipients, and one of them passed it, 
 then all recipients would get it because amavis did not modify the 
 envelope.

This does not reflect what I have experienced.

 Thanks,
 Rob

BTW, don't CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Gary V



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[AMaViS-user] Multiple recipient question with postfix

2005-12-27 Thread RHutton
It has been a long time since I have worked with Amavis, but there 
used to be some pretty severe limitations on applying per recipient 
policies (eg. one recipient dropping, while another recipient quarantines, 
while another tags and passes) if the email was passed directly from 
postfix without having the destination expansion done first.  Is this 
still an issue?

Thanks,
Rob

Rob Hutton
DataScan Technologies



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