[AMRadio] RE: Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
Nothing a 20 guage with some birdshot would not take care of.. Not that I would advocate anthing illegal.
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
<< In the meantime, let's get the class action lawsuits going >> I second the motion, Cory. If they think it is going to cost them big bux, they will either clean up the interference before going on line or scrub it and look for some other method. 73, John, W4AWM
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
In the meantime, let's get the class action lawsuits going When the interference starts, we need to take action. Cory/AD5QP --- Peter Markavage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The basic premise for BPL is a sound idea and an > idea that has been > around for a long time. Back in the 70's utilities > wanted more local and > automated monitoring of electrical and gas usage in > real time in homes > and businesses but there really was nothing > available to do that > accurately. While at Bell Labs, our data group > developed several "boxes" > to aid utilities to do this type of monitoring. > They required dedicated > telephone line connections. They never worked very > well. With BPL, this > type of monitoring via the internet could become a > reality. This could > save them a ton of money. Providing customers with > internet service adds > to the revenue stream. Unfortunately, like the early > PC's that had very > low speed ranges, BPL is starting out in a frequency > range that's easy to > implement and provides a good revenue generating > "trial". If BPL > providers can weather the initial storm of issues > that's bound to happen, > eventually you'll see the frequency range move into > the much higher > regions. I'm told that prototype designs are now > under test in lab > scenarios. > > Pete, wa2cwa > > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:06:14 -0300 "David Knepper" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > > Oh, do I hate to hear this, Peter. > > > > Dave, W3ST > > Publisher of the Collins Journal > > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > > www.collinsra.com > > - Original Message - > > From: "Peter Markavage" <> > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on > utility poles in > > Cincinnati > > > > > > > In one of Kerry's on the road speeches he stated > that he supports > > > emerging new broadband technologies, so, even if > Powell is no > > longer > > > there, the threat of BPL and the BPL lobbyists > loyal to this > > technology, > > > probably will remain. Having someone else drive > the bus doesn't > > make the > > > "plan" go away. > > > > > > Pete, wa2cwa > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:50:07 -0600 "Mike Wells" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > writes: > > > > I wish we would keep the politics out of the > discussion. I > > certainly > > > > have a > > > > completely different opinion on who should be > running things at > > the > > > > white > > > > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the > Clintons. By the way, > > how > > > > do you > > > > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he > knows what he > > would > > > > do > > > > himself most of the time. > > > > > > > > Mike W0FD > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of David > > Knepper > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > > > > To: Discussion of AM Radio > > > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on > utility poles in > > > > Cincinnati > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and > gloom." I sure would > > hate > > > > to see > > > > something like that in my neighborhood. I am > really concerned > > that > > > > if the > > > > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman > Powell will > > continue to > > > > push > > > > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove > this individual and > > > > > > send him to > > > > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, W3ST > > > > Publisher of the Collins Journal > > > > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > > > > www.collinsra.com > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > > > > Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on > utility poles in > > > > Cincinnati > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg > Contraption! > > Click > > > > on "BPL > > > > > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the > electrical tape on the > > low > > > > voltage > > > > > side. This junk even beats some ham > installations I have > > seen. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm > > > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno > SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up > today! > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
The basic premise for BPL is a sound idea and an idea that has been around for a long time. Back in the 70's utilities wanted more local and automated monitoring of electrical and gas usage in real time in homes and businesses but there really was nothing available to do that accurately. While at Bell Labs, our data group developed several "boxes" to aid utilities to do this type of monitoring. They required dedicated telephone line connections. They never worked very well. With BPL, this type of monitoring via the internet could become a reality. This could save them a ton of money. Providing customers with internet service adds to the revenue stream. Unfortunately, like the early PC's that had very low speed ranges, BPL is starting out in a frequency range that's easy to implement and provides a good revenue generating "trial". If BPL providers can weather the initial storm of issues that's bound to happen, eventually you'll see the frequency range move into the much higher regions. I'm told that prototype designs are now under test in lab scenarios. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:06:14 -0300 "David Knepper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oh, do I hate to hear this, Peter. > > Dave, W3ST > Publisher of the Collins Journal > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > www.collinsra.com > - Original Message - > From: "Peter Markavage" <> > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati > > > > In one of Kerry's on the road speeches he stated that he supports > > emerging new broadband technologies, so, even if Powell is no > longer > > there, the threat of BPL and the BPL lobbyists loyal to this > technology, > > probably will remain. Having someone else drive the bus doesn't > make the > > "plan" go away. > > > > Pete, wa2cwa > > > > On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:50:07 -0600 "Mike Wells" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > writes: > > > I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I > certainly > > > have a > > > completely different opinion on who should be running things at > the > > > white > > > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, > how > > > do you > > > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he > would > > > do > > > himself most of the time. > > > > > > Mike W0FD > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David > Knepper > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > > > To: Discussion of AM Radio > > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > > > Cincinnati > > > > > > > > > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would > hate > > > to see > > > something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned > that > > > if the > > > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will > continue to > > > push > > > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and > > > > send him to > > > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > > > > > > > Dave, W3ST > > > Publisher of the Collins Journal > > > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > > > www.collinsra.com > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > > > Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > > > Cincinnati > > > > > > > > > > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! > Click > > > on "BPL > > > > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the > low > > > voltage > > > > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have > seen. > > > > > > > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
Phone and cell phone service are becoming so cheap today, the necessity for a "blue/brown box" is probably not worth the time or legal implications. With VOiP already in full swing and high speed internet service readily available, cheap "phone service" can be just a click or two away. High speed data transmission has a number of checks and balances to maintain data integrity. We're not sending data at 300 or 1200 baud anymore. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:17:16 + "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >Actually this provides additional advantages to the Utility > Companies > >even if you don't subscribe to the internet service. A modem could > be > >hung on your electric, gas, or water meters, plugged into an AC > outlet, > >and now all meter readings could be done back at their facilities > via the > >BPL internet connection, eliminating the services of electric, gas, > or > >water meter readers. > > Wonder how long before some would develop and put on the market > bootleg > "brown boxes" -remember the "blue boxes" in the 80's that allowed > one to > illegally bypass the phone co.'s billing and make free phone calls? > These > things would take over and alter the data stream to the utility > company and > illegally reduce your bill. Or if you happened to transmit over the > air at > the critical moment and your signal caused data loss and scrambled > the data > so that you or a near by resident erroneously got a ridiculously > high > utility bill for services you did not use. > > Incidentally, Apple Computers got its start as a garage enterprise > that > produced blue boxes, and once they gained some capital, decided to > go legit > and put together the first personal computer, that started a > technological > revolution, even though the machine was extremely crude by today's > standards. The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
Actually this provides additional advantages to the Utility Companies even if you don't subscribe to the internet service. A modem could be hung on your electric, gas, or water meters, plugged into an AC outlet, and now all meter readings could be done back at their facilities via the BPL internet connection, eliminating the services of electric, gas, or water meter readers. Wonder how long before some would develop and put on the market bootleg "brown boxes" -remember the "blue boxes" in the 80's that allowed one to illegally bypass the phone co.'s billing and make free phone calls? These things would take over and alter the data stream to the utility company and illegally reduce your bill. Or if you happened to transmit over the air at the critical moment and your signal caused data loss and scrambled the data so that you or a near by resident erroneously got a ridiculously high utility bill for services you did not use. Incidentally, Apple Computers got its start as a garage enterprise that produced blue boxes, and once they gained some capital, decided to go legit and put together the first personal computer, that started a technological revolution, even though the machine was extremely crude by today's standards. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
I thought the multiplexed data connection to the network was made at the power distribution station and then sent along the power lines. Repeaters along the lines keep the signal to a defined level. Probably local neighborhood/street hubs provide the necessary port connection to the homes. Each AC connection to a home probably has a specific network address. Actually this provides additional advantages to the Utility Companies even if you don't subscribe to the internet service. A modem could be hung on your electric, gas, or water meters, plugged into an AC outlet, and now all meter readings could be done back at their facilities via the BPL internet connection, eliminating the services of electric, gas, or water meter readers. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:19:27 -0400 Neal Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am confused by the Photos Besides broadcast/ audio Engineer I > am > an IBEW electrician. > the thing that confuses Me..where is the Ethernet port and or Fiber > > connection to feed this unit with Data? It has to be connected to > the > Network somehow.. My second thought > is that this Unit is a BPL Repeater getting its data from the > > single leg High voltage side through the long Coupler. then > repeated > down to the 220 single phase lowvoltage side... > this cannot Be a feed souce since I see no Fiber or other Network > Connection > > David Knepper wrote: > > >Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would > hate to see > >something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that > if the > >Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue > to push > >this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and > send him to > >the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > > > >Dave, W3ST > >Publisher of the Collins Journal > >Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > >www.collinsra.com > >- Original Message - > >From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > >Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
In one of Kerry's on the road speeches he stated that he supports emerging new broadband technologies, so, even if Powell is no longer there, the threat of BPL and the BPL lobbyists loyal to this technology, probably will remain. Having someone else drive the bus doesn't make the "plan" go away. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:50:07 -0600 "Mike Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I certainly > have a > completely different opinion on who should be running things at the > white > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, how > do you > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he would > do > himself most of the time. > > Mike W0FD > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Knepper > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati > > > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate > to see > something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that > if the > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to > push > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and > send him to > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > Dave, W3ST > Publisher of the Collins Journal > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > www.collinsra.com > - Original Message - > From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati > > > > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click > on "BPL > > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low > voltage > > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. > > > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
Great discussion Don. Folks out there have got to know the issues and that their ham ticket may not be worth the paper that it is printed on if the present bureucrats remain in office. And, for folks, like me and others, who are trying to preserve the Collins heritage, those Collins radios at the CRA Collins Radio Center - and you have been here - may be lovely boxes that are nice to admire and twiddle with but artifacts that need an occasional dusting, nothing more. I hope that day never comes. Thanks Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - Original Message - From: "Merz Donald S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:43 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati Regardless of the politics involved, there can be no question that FCC Chairman Powell is pushing an agenda that is, without any malice intended (I'm sure he hardly knows that ham radio exists), very anti-ham. BPL is just the most widely-discussed example. The latest proposal the FCC is floating for a new way to measure interference is more scary than BPL in my opinion. It is similar to what the Feds have done over the years with air pollution control. They are proposing to measure something like an "average of total interference" across a block of frequencies. Then they would set a limit on that "average" number that would be acceptable for each frequency block. I am probably using the word "average" incorrectly. It's some sort of statistical construct. But the implication seems to be that hams would no longer have any basis for complaint about interference to their operations as long as the average interference for the block that includes the bands in question was being met. Not good. Naturally, the ARRL has protested (thank God and Hiram for the ARRL!!!--otherwise our hobby would already be gone). But Colin's kid isn't a good listener as far as I can tell. Like his superiors and today's big business CEOs, he has an agenda and he's running it. It's "Full speed a ahead and damn the torpedoes", er, ah..."interference." The fact is inescapable that Powell has been a disaster for ham radio and there's no light at the end of this tunnel yet. 73, Don Merz, N3RHT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John King Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:06 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati I thought Dave had intellect and CLASS, being a Collins Guy, but I was wrong. . - Original Message - From: "Mike Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I certainly have a > completely different opinion on who should be running things at the white > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, how do you > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he would do > himself most of the time. > > Mike W0FD > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Knepper > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati > > > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see > something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > Dave, W3ST > Publisher of the Collins Journal > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > www.collinsra.com > - Original Message - > From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > > > > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL > > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage > > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. > > > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm > > > > _ > > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN > > Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx > > > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help:
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles inCincinnati
Perhaps he is more familiar with MegaHurts. As in 'I feel your pain'. I believe it is unreasonable to assume that bureaucrats have technical savy just because they influence things of a technical nature. There is no process of osmosis transfering technical savy through association. Even if there were, a politician would be imune to such a process. Lack of technical savy among politicians may be a blessing. They would only use it to massage the facts to support their political ambitions. Regards, Frank Kamp Kim Elmore wrote: > > Ooops.. What Riley actually said was "... don't know a megacycle from a > motorcycle..." I thought I'd get this right before someone else pointed it > out to me. > > Kim Elmore, N5OP > > At 09:19 AM 7/22/2004, you wrote: > >I have to agree with Don on this point. The current FCC leadership is a > >disaster for ham radio, and, I think, non-commercial radio interests in > >general. The FCC credo seems to be "If it doesn't turn a buck, it is of no > >consequence." > > > >Regardless of who wins in November, the current Chairman simply must go. > >There is *no* technical expertise at the top of the FCC and no > >consideration for it. As Riley Hollingsworth put it, when queried in > >Dallas recently on the technical problems plaguing BPL, there are many > >above him who don't "know the difference between a kilohertz and a > >kilometer" and don't care to know. > > > >The current Chairman is a perfect example of this. > > > >Kim Elmore, N5OP > > > >At 08:43 AM 7/22/2004, you wrote: > >>Regardless of the politics involved, there can be no question that FCC > >>Chairman Powell is pushing an agenda that is, without any malice intended > >>(I'm sure he hardly knows that ham radio exists), very anti-ham. BPL is > >>just the most widely-discussed example. > >> > >>The latest proposal the FCC is floating for a new way to measure > >>interference is more scary than BPL in my opinion. It is similar to what > >>the Feds have done over the years with air pollution control. They are > >>proposing to measure something like an "average of total interference" > >>across a block of frequencies. Then they would set a limit on that > >>"average" number that would be acceptable for each frequency block. I am > >>probably using the word "average" incorrectly. It's some sort of > >>statistical construct. > >> > >>But the implication seems to be that hams would no longer have any basis > >>for complaint about interference to their operations as long as the > >>average interference for the block that includes the bands in question > >>was being met. Not good. > >> > >>Naturally, the ARRL has protested (thank God and Hiram for the > >>ARRL!!!--otherwise our hobby would already be gone). But Colin's kid > >>isn't a good listener as far as I can tell. Like his superiors and > >>today's big business CEOs, he has an agenda and he's running it. It's > >>"Full speed a ahead and damn the torpedoes", er, ah..."interference." > >> > >>The fact is inescapable that Powell has been a disaster for ham radio and > >>there's no light at the end of this tunnel yet. > >> > >>73, Don Merz, N3RHT > >> > >> > >> > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John King > >>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:06 AM > >>To: Discussion of AM Radio > >>Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > >>Cincinnati > >> > >> > >>I thought Dave had intellect and CLASS, being a Collins Guy, but I was > >>wrong. . > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "Mike Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "Discussion of AM Radio" > >>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:50 AM > >>Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > >> > >> > >> > I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I certainly have > >>a > >> > completely different opinion on who should be running things at the white > >> > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, how do you > >> > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he would do > >> > himself most of the time. > >> > > >> > Mike W0FD > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Knepper > >> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > >> > To: Discussion of AM Radio > >> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > >> > Cincinnati > >> > > >> > > >> > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to > >>see > >> > something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if > >> > the > >> > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push > >> > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him > >>to > >> > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > >> > > >> > > >> > Dave, W3ST > >> > Publisher of the Collins Journal > >> > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > >> > www.collinsra.com > >>
RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
Ooops.. What Riley actually said was "... don't know a megacycle from a motorcycle..." I thought I'd get this right before someone else pointed it out to me. Kim Elmore, N5OP At 09:19 AM 7/22/2004, you wrote: I have to agree with Don on this point. The current FCC leadership is a disaster for ham radio, and, I think, non-commercial radio interests in general. The FCC credo seems to be "If it doesn't turn a buck, it is of no consequence." Regardless of who wins in November, the current Chairman simply must go. There is *no* technical expertise at the top of the FCC and no consideration for it. As Riley Hollingsworth put it, when queried in Dallas recently on the technical problems plaguing BPL, there are many above him who don't "know the difference between a kilohertz and a kilometer" and don't care to know. The current Chairman is a perfect example of this. Kim Elmore, N5OP At 08:43 AM 7/22/2004, you wrote: Regardless of the politics involved, there can be no question that FCC Chairman Powell is pushing an agenda that is, without any malice intended (I'm sure he hardly knows that ham radio exists), very anti-ham. BPL is just the most widely-discussed example. The latest proposal the FCC is floating for a new way to measure interference is more scary than BPL in my opinion. It is similar to what the Feds have done over the years with air pollution control. They are proposing to measure something like an "average of total interference" across a block of frequencies. Then they would set a limit on that "average" number that would be acceptable for each frequency block. I am probably using the word "average" incorrectly. It's some sort of statistical construct. But the implication seems to be that hams would no longer have any basis for complaint about interference to their operations as long as the average interference for the block that includes the bands in question was being met. Not good. Naturally, the ARRL has protested (thank God and Hiram for the ARRL!!!--otherwise our hobby would already be gone). But Colin's kid isn't a good listener as far as I can tell. Like his superiors and today's big business CEOs, he has an agenda and he's running it. It's "Full speed a ahead and damn the torpedoes", er, ah..."interference." The fact is inescapable that Powell has been a disaster for ham radio and there's no light at the end of this tunnel yet. 73, Don Merz, N3RHT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John King Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:06 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati I thought Dave had intellect and CLASS, being a Collins Guy, but I was wrong. . - Original Message - From: "Mike Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I certainly have a > completely different opinion on who should be running things at the white > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, how do you > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he would do > himself most of the time. > > Mike W0FD > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Knepper > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati > > > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see > something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > Dave, W3ST > Publisher of the Collins Journal > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > www.collinsra.com > - Original Message - > From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > > > > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL > > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage > > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. > > > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm > > > > _ > > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN > > Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx > > > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > _
RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
I have to agree with Don on this point. The current FCC leadership is a disaster for ham radio, and, I think, non-commercial radio interests in general. The FCC credo seems to be "If it doesn't turn a buck, it is of no consequence." Regardless of who wins in November, the current Chairman simply must go. There is *no* technical expertise at the top of the FCC and no consideration for it. As Riley Hollingsworth put it, when queried in Dallas recently on the technical problems plaguing BPL, there are many above him who don't "know the difference between a kilohertz and a kilometer" and don't care to know. The current Chairman is a perfect example of this. Kim Elmore, N5OP At 08:43 AM 7/22/2004, you wrote: Regardless of the politics involved, there can be no question that FCC Chairman Powell is pushing an agenda that is, without any malice intended (I'm sure he hardly knows that ham radio exists), very anti-ham. BPL is just the most widely-discussed example. The latest proposal the FCC is floating for a new way to measure interference is more scary than BPL in my opinion. It is similar to what the Feds have done over the years with air pollution control. They are proposing to measure something like an "average of total interference" across a block of frequencies. Then they would set a limit on that "average" number that would be acceptable for each frequency block. I am probably using the word "average" incorrectly. It's some sort of statistical construct. But the implication seems to be that hams would no longer have any basis for complaint about interference to their operations as long as the average interference for the block that includes the bands in question was being met. Not good. Naturally, the ARRL has protested (thank God and Hiram for the ARRL!!!--otherwise our hobby would already be gone). But Colin's kid isn't a good listener as far as I can tell. Like his superiors and today's big business CEOs, he has an agenda and he's running it. It's "Full speed a ahead and damn the torpedoes", er, ah..."interference." The fact is inescapable that Powell has been a disaster for ham radio and there's no light at the end of this tunnel yet. 73, Don Merz, N3RHT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John King Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:06 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati I thought Dave had intellect and CLASS, being a Collins Guy, but I was wrong. . - Original Message - From: "Mike Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I certainly have a > completely different opinion on who should be running things at the white > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, how do you > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he would do > himself most of the time. > > Mike W0FD > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Knepper > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati > > > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see > something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > Dave, W3ST > Publisher of the Collins Journal > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > www.collinsra.com > - Original Message - > From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > > > > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL > > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage > > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. > > > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm > > > > _ > > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN > > Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx > > > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > _
RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
Regardless of the politics involved, there can be no question that FCC Chairman Powell is pushing an agenda that is, without any malice intended (I'm sure he hardly knows that ham radio exists), very anti-ham. BPL is just the most widely-discussed example. The latest proposal the FCC is floating for a new way to measure interference is more scary than BPL in my opinion. It is similar to what the Feds have done over the years with air pollution control. They are proposing to measure something like an "average of total interference" across a block of frequencies. Then they would set a limit on that "average" number that would be acceptable for each frequency block. I am probably using the word "average" incorrectly. It's some sort of statistical construct. But the implication seems to be that hams would no longer have any basis for complaint about interference to their operations as long as the average interference for the block that includes the bands in question was being met. Not good. Naturally, the ARRL has protested (thank God and Hiram for the ARRL!!!--otherwise our hobby would already be gone). But Colin's kid isn't a good listener as far as I can tell. Like his superiors and today's big business CEOs, he has an agenda and he's running it. It's "Full speed a ahead and damn the torpedoes", er, ah..."interference." The fact is inescapable that Powell has been a disaster for ham radio and there's no light at the end of this tunnel yet. 73, Don Merz, N3RHT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John King Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:06 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati I thought Dave had intellect and CLASS, being a Collins Guy, but I was wrong. . - Original Message - From: "Mike Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I certainly have a > completely different opinion on who should be running things at the white > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, how do you > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he would do > himself most of the time. > > Mike W0FD > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Knepper > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati > > > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see > something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > Dave, W3ST > Publisher of the Collins Journal > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > www.collinsra.com > - Original Message - > From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > > > > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL > > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage > > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. > > > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm > > > > _ > > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN > > Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx > > > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net The information contained in this e-mail may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the named addressee. Access, copying or re-use of the e-mail or any information contained therein by any other person is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient please notify u
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This IS the repeater from the medium voltage feeder to the low voltage residential lines to get around the transformer. This is just across the river from me! Great Pictures... Thanks!. Tim Anderson, AG4XM ARRL KY Section TC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neal Newman Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:19 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Spam Alert: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati I am confused by the Photos Besides broadcast/ audio Engineer I am an IBEW electrician. the thing that confuses Me..where is the Ethernet port and or Fiber connection to feed this unit with Data? It has to be connected to the Network somehow.. My second thought is that this Unit is a BPL Repeater getting its data from the single leg High voltage side through the long Coupler. then repeated down to the 220 single phase lowvoltage side... this cannot Be a feed souce since I see no Fiber or other Network Connection David Knepper wrote: >Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see >something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the >Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push >this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to >the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > >Dave, W3ST >Publisher of the Collins Journal >Secretary to the Collins Radio Association >www.collinsra.com >- Original Message - >From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM >Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > > > > >>Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL >>Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage >>side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. >> >>http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm >> >>_ >>Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN >>Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx >> >>__ >>AMRadio mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html >>Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> >> > >__ >AMRadio mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html >Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > > > __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
I thought Dave had intellect and CLASS, being a Collins Guy, but I was wrong. . - Original Message - From: "Mike Wells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I certainly have a > completely different opinion on who should be running things at the white > house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, how do you > know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he would do > himself most of the time. > > Mike W0FD > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Knepper > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM > To: Discussion of AM Radio > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in > Cincinnati > > > Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see > something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the > Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push > this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to > the unemployment line, along with his Dad. > > > Dave, W3ST > Publisher of the Collins Journal > Secretary to the Collins Radio Association > www.collinsra.com > - Original Message - > From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > > > > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL > > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage > > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. > > > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm > > > > _ > > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN > > Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx > > > > __ > > AMRadio mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > >
RE: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
I wish we would keep the politics out of the discussion. I certainly have a completely different opinion on who should be running things at the white house and it dang sure isnt Kerry or the Clintons. By the way, how do you know what Kerry would do? doesnt sound like he knows what he would do himself most of the time. Mike W0FD -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Knepper Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:37 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to the unemployment line, along with his Dad. Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - Original Message - From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm > > _ > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN > Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
> I am confused by the Photos Besides broadcast/ audio Engineer I am > an IBEW electrician. > the thing that confuses Me..where is the Ethernet port and or Fiber > connection to feed this unit with Data? It has to be connected to the > Network somehow.. My second thought > is that this Unit is a BPL Repeater getting its data from the > single leg High voltage side through the long Coupler. then repeated > down to the 220 single phase lowvoltage side... > this cannot Be a feed souce since I see no Fiber or other Network Connection Other than the poor taping job for the power connections, I thought the install looked pretty good (excuse the fact that it is BPL, after all, but I digress...)
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
I am confused by the Photos Besides broadcast/ audio Engineer I am an IBEW electrician. the thing that confuses Me..where is the Ethernet port and or Fiber connection to feed this unit with Data? It has to be connected to the Network somehow.. My second thought is that this Unit is a BPL Repeater getting its data from the single leg High voltage side through the long Coupler. then repeated down to the 220 single phase lowvoltage side... this cannot Be a feed souce since I see no Fiber or other Network Connection David Knepper wrote: Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to the unemployment line, along with his Dad. Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - Original Message - From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm _ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
Don, thanks for the pictures of "doom and gloom." I sure would hate to see something like that in my neighborhood. I am really concerned that if the Republicans stay in office that FCC Chairman Powell will continue to push this technology. Senator Kerry would remove this individual and send him to the unemployment line, along with his Dad. Dave, W3ST Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary to the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com - Original Message - From: "Donald Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati > Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL > Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage > side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. > > http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm > > _ > Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to 'Dig Yourself Out of Debt' from MSN > Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx > > __ > AMRadio mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
[AMRadio] Pix of BPL hardware on utility poles in Cincinnati
Take a look at this incredible Rube Goldberg Contraption! Click on "BPL Hi-Res" for close-up photos. Note the electrical tape on the low voltage side. This junk even beats some ham installations I have seen. http://www.danielwoodie.com/BPLLORES.htm _ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to Dig Yourself Out of Debt from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx
