[AMRadio] Re: 160 Propagation

2008-12-04 Thread Thomas F. Giella

Larry,

F layer ionization has been unusually weak due to the winter season and 
beginning of solar cycle 24, so close in propagation on 160 meters has poor 
as a rare skip zone formed much like we see on 80 meters in winter time. 
Last night the F layer critical frequency (foF2) was as low as 1775 kc. The 
night before the foF2 dropped as low as 1675 kc and the night before that as 
low as 1732 kc.


You can track the foF2 at 
http://www.ips.gov.au/Images/HF%20Systems/Asia/Ionospheric%20Map/WorldIMap.gif 
and

http://digisonde.haystack.edu/cgi-bin/latest.exe .

73  GUD DX,
Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
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Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan

2008-12-04 Thread D. Chester

Thanks, Paul, for digging out the rest of the story.



From: VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED]


...Their decision, at their recent meeting in Croatia, was to continue to 
avoid specifying any enumerated bandwidth for AM transmissions in the 
layout of licensed hobbyist operating activity they help coordinate on the 
HF bands.


The Region 1 delegates took action in precisely the manner U.S. licensees 
had wanted their representative group to support during earlier Region 2 
band planning deliberations...



Interesting, that there is no mention of this in the ARRL Letter news report 
regarding the revised Region 1 band plan for 40m.  The wording of their news 
item leaves the distinct impression that the Plan recommends for all phone 
emissions to be limited to 2700 Hz.  This could be a simple oversight in 
reporting, which would demonstrate at the very least the writer's dismissal 
of the significance of the AM community in amateur radio, or it could have 
been a deliberate omission,  (sour grapes, maybe, or a subtle expression of 
unstated League policy supporting the Region 2 decision), considering the 
following:



...But, as many here should know, the ARRL contradicted this expressed 
sentiment, and proposed specific bandwidth parameters. The numbers became 
part of the revised Region 2 band plan now in effect.


The Region 2 charter calls on government regulatory bodies, including the 
U.S., to adopt the voluntary protocols the IARU representative clubs 
develop.


A Region 1 official, in explaining that it is a conscious decision NOT to 
impose numerical bandwidth parameters on AM transmissions, said the 
wording dates to 2005 at a regional meting in Switzerland, and was reached 
IN AGREEMENT WITH AM GROUPS. (emphasis mine)


By contrast, the club that is supposed to represent all U.S. licensees at 
the IARU failed to include AM groups in any manner, and, the record 
shows, deliberately ignored requests to correct the League's misguided 
approach taken in Brazil that led to the problem created for Region 2...




Don k4kyv


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[AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

2008-12-04 Thread WA5AM
This is pretty neat!  Actual scans and pages turn just like the real
thing...

http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1939/


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RE: [AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

2008-12-04 Thread Rick
Thanks Brian! What a fantastic trip down memory lane! 

 

Rick/k5iar

 

 

 

This is pretty neat!  Actual scans and pages turn just like the real
thing...

http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1939/


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Re: [AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

2008-12-04 Thread BILL GUYGER


Way Cool!  What would happen if you walked into the nearest RS with this and 
asked for something out of it

Bill AD5OL



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To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 10:29:17 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

This is pretty neat!  Actual scans and pages turn just like the real thing...

http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1939/


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Re: [AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

2008-12-04 Thread Jim Wilhite
You might be surprised at parts availability.  They have a master 
catalog that few stores have but if you go to their web site you 
will find many parts for sale.  The old stuff no longer manufacture 
red won't be there but if it is current, like those solder terminal 
strips for example, you will find them.


Not too long ago I had a Realistic Lifetime Tube that was bad. 
They replaced it with a new one.  I don't know where they got it, 
but it worked.


Jim/W5JO

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Way Cool! What would happen if you walked into the nearest RS with 
this and asked for something out of it


Bill AD5OL



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Re: [AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

2008-12-04 Thread Dave Rothermel

The same thing if you took an up to date catalog in and ask for something out 
of it!!!

   
Dave


BILL GUYGER wrote:

Way Cool!  What would happen if you walked into the nearest RS with this and 
asked for something out of it

Bill AD5OL







  

  


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Re: [AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

2008-12-04 Thread Joe Bento
Sort of like when I asked for a 555 IC and was told they were obsolete 
and no longer manufactured, or that resistors were on their last leg and 
they weren't going to make them any more.


Is it any wonder the USA is struggling?

Joe, N6DGY
Pleasant Grove, UT

Dave Rothermel wrote:
The same thing if you took an up to date catalog in and ask for 
something out of it!!!


   
Dave


BILL GUYGER wrote:
Way Cool!  What would happen if you walked into the nearest RS with 
this and asked for something out of it


Bill AD5OL







 
  


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Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan

2008-12-04 Thread Peter Markavage
I sent this message to the e-mail link for this story on the ARRL's web
page and what also appeared in the weekly ARRL Letter. At this point, it
seems they have chosen not to make any revisions to their original news
report.
Pete, wa2cwa

-Original Message-
From: Peter Markavage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun 11/30/2008 2:45 PM
To: awextra
Subject: IARU Region 1 Meeting News Item

Reference news item:
http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/11/29/10474/?nc=1

The revised Region 1 band plan chart for 40 meters is shown, which was
defined on page 9 of the IARU Region 1's  final minutes. However, you
omitted the items on page 10 of the same minutes which further clarifies
the chart. The items include Sideband Usage, Definitions, and
Notes. Without these items, the chart doesn't tell the whole story and
will, most likely, lead to confusion and concern.

Pete, WA2CWA

Pete--

Thank you for your note. Unfortunately, we can't reprint the final
plenary minutes. As such, we provided the link in the first sentence of
the article. This enables interested parties, such as yourself, to take a
closer look into it.

Have a good rest-of-Thanksgiving-weekend!

73,
S. Khrystyne Keane, K1SFA
ARRL News Editor
ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio
860.594.0237
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:25:36 -0600 D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Thanks, Paul, for digging out the rest of the story.
 Interesting, that there is no mention of this in the ARRL Letter 
 news report 
 regarding the revised Region 1 band plan for 40m.  The wording of 
 their news 
 item leaves the distinct impression that the Plan recommends for all 
 phone 
 emissions to be limited to 2700 Hz.  This could be a simple 
 oversight in 
 reporting, which would demonstrate at the very least the writer's 
 dismissal 
 of the significance of the AM community in amateur radio, or it 
 could have 
 been a deliberate omission,  (sour grapes, maybe, or a subtle 
 expression of 
 unstated League policy supporting the Region 2 decision), 
 considering the 
 following:
 
 
 
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[AMRadio] Re: AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan

2008-12-04 Thread D. Chester

Thank you for your note. Unfortunately, we can't reprint the final
plenary minutes. As such, we provided the link in the first sentence of
the article. This enables interested parties, such as yourself, to take a
closer look into it.



S. Khrystyne Keane, K1SFA
ARRL News Editor


Here is the link:

http://www.iaru-r1.org/CT08_Cavtat%20Final%20plenary%20minutes.pdf


-Original Message-  (snipped)
From: Peter Markavage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



The revised Region 1 band plan chart for 40 meters is shown, which was
defined on page 9 of the IARU Region 1's  final minutes. However, you
omitted the items on page 10 of the same minutes which further clarifies
the chart. The items include Sideband Usage, Definitions, and
Notes. Without these items, the chart doesn't tell the whole story and
will, most likely, lead to confusion and concern.

Pete, WA2CWA


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Re: [AMRadio] Re: 160 Propagation

2008-12-04 Thread EP Swynar
Hi Thomas,

Here's another neat site re. propagation, the grey line, etc. etc. etc., in
case you haven't seen it:

http://dx.qsl.net/propagation/propagation.html

Enjoy!

~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ


***


- Original Message - 
From: Thomas F. Giella [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: am radio QTH amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:33 AM
Subject: [AMRadio] Re: 160 Propagation


 Larry,

 F layer ionization has been unusually weak due to the winter season and
 beginning of solar cycle 24, so close in propagation on 160 meters has
poor
 as a rare skip zone formed much like we see on 80 meters in winter time.
 Last night the F layer critical frequency (foF2) was as low as 1775 kc.
The
 night before the foF2 dropped as low as 1675 kc and the night before that
as
 low as 1732 kc.

 You can track the foF2 at

http://www.ips.gov.au/Images/HF%20Systems/Asia/Ionospheric%20Map/WorldIMap.gif
 and
 http://digisonde.haystack.edu/cgi-bin/latest.exe .

 73  GUD DX,
 Thomas F. Giella, KN4LF
 Lakeland, FL, USA
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Re: [AMRadio] Re: AM accommodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan

2008-12-04 Thread Peter Markavage
The link is also provided on the ARRL web site but that wasn't really the
point. Without the chart caveats at the bottom, someone reading just the
chart might be led astray.

Pete, wa2cwa

On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:01:43 -0600 D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
  Thank you for your note. Unfortunately, we can't reprint the final
  plenary minutes. As such, we provided the link in the first 
 sentence of
  the article. This enables interested parties, such as yourself, to 
 take a
  closer look into it.
 
  S. Khrystyne Keane, K1SFA
  ARRL News Editor
 
 Here is the link:
 
 http://www.iaru-r1.org/CT08_Cavtat%20Final%20plenary%20minutes.pdf
 
  -Original Message-  (snipped)
  From: Peter Markavage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  The revised Region 1 band plan chart for 40 meters is shown, which 
 was
  defined on page 9 of the IARU Region 1's  final minutes. However, 
 you
  omitted the items on page 10 of the same minutes which further 
 clarifies
  the chart. The items include Sideband Usage, Definitions, and
  Notes. Without these items, the chart doesn't tell the whole 
 story and
  will, most likely, lead to confusion and concern.
  
  Pete, WA2CWA
  
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[AMRadio] KN4LF Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation Forecast #2008-35

2008-12-04 Thread Thomas F. Giella
The KN4LF Daily LF/MF/HF/6M Frequency Radiowave Propagation Forecast 
#2008-35 has been published on Thursday 12/04/2008 at 2100 UTC, valid  
UTC Saturday 12/06/2008 through 2359 UTC Friday 12/07/2008 at 
http://www.kn4lf.com/kn4lf6.htm .


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Re: [AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

2008-12-04 Thread BILL GUYGER
In reality they can be a life saver in a pinch. They saved my bacon in Ardmore 
and Big Spring when I needed some diodes, resistors, and RCA connectors to get 
a couple of stations back on the air. It's just that the kids working behind 
the counter have very little idea of what's what if it doesn't involve a video 
game or a computer, or texting.

Bill AD5OL



- Original Message 
From: Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 11:31:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] 1939 Radio Shack Catalog

You might be surprised at parts availability.  They have a master 
catalog that few stores have but if you go to their web site you 
will find many parts for sale.  The old stuff no longer manufacture 
red won't be there but if it is current, like those solder terminal 
strips for example, you will find them.

Not too long ago I had a Realistic Lifetime Tube that was bad. 
They replaced it with a new one.  I don't know where they got it, 
but it worked.

Jim/W5JO

- Original Message - 



 Way Cool! What would happen if you walked into the nearest RS with 
 this and asked for something out of it

 Bill AD5OL


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Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan

2008-12-04 Thread VJB
Don,

I agree that it does not serve the League's agenda for them to acknowledge the 
affirmation of AM activity in the IARU Region 1 band plan.

Pete,

Thanks for trying to convince the ARRL to revise its coverage of the Region 1 
summary.  The response from their press aide indicates she misunderstood your 
request.  You did not ask them to rewrite the IARU's final minutes, did you ?

To both of you, is there any value in your asking any ranking represenatives in 
Region 1 to, in turn, ask the ARRL to more properly acknowledge the important 
details in the chart the League's press release has published ?

I would appreciate your help in pursuing this.
Would you both be willing to have your remarks further published in Electric 
Radio?  I have been told by Ray that he intends to publish my report as a 
letter to the Editor, to those who aren't on this Reflector. It would be nice 
to include you in the discussion.

Please let me know, here or offline.


Paul

---

Pete, I take it this is the specific wording, related to AM, you questioned the 
League for omitting:

(source: IARU website, dateline Cavtat, Croatia)
http://www.iaru-r1.org/Cavtat%20papers.htm

Sideband Usage Below 10MHz use lower sideband (LSB), above 10 MHz use upper 
sideband (USB)

Amplitude modulation (AM) may be used in the telephony sub-bands providing 
consideration is given to adjacent channel users.

DEFINITIONS:
All modes CW, SSB and those modes listed as Centres of Activity, plus AM 
(Consideration should be given to adjacent channel users).





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 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:25:36 -0600
 From: D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re:  [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1
 Bandplan
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 charset=iso-8859-1;
   reply-type=original
 
 Thanks, Paul, for digging out the rest of the
 story.
 
 
 Interesting, that there is no mention of this in the ARRL
 Letter news report 
 regarding the revised Region 1 band plan for 40m.  The
 wording of their news 
 item leaves the distinct impression that the Plan
 recommends for all phone 
 emissions to be limited to 2700 Hz.  This could be a simple
 oversight in 
 reporting, which would demonstrate at the very least the
 writer's dismissal 
 of the significance of the AM community in amateur radio,
 or it could have 
 been a deliberate omission,  (sour grapes, maybe, or a
 subtle expression of 
 unstated League policy supporting the Region 2 decision),
 considering the 
 following:
 
 

 
 Don k4kyv
 
 
 

 
 --
 
 Message: 9
 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:18:23 -0500
 From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1
 Bandplan
 To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
 Message-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I sent this message to the e-mail link for this story on
 the ARRL's web
 page and what also appeared in the weekly ARRL Letter. At
 this point, it
 seems they have chosen not to make any revisions to their
 original news
 report.
 Pete, wa2cwa
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Peter Markavage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sun 11/30/2008 2:45 PM
 To: awextra
 Subject: IARU Region 1 Meeting News Item
 
 Reference news item:
 http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/11/29/10474/?nc=1
 
 The revised Region 1 band plan chart for 40 meters is
 shown, which was
 defined on page 9 of the IARU Region 1's  final
 minutes. However, you
 omitted the items on page 10 of the same minutes which
 further clarifies
 the chart. The items include Sideband Usage,
 Definitions, and
 Notes. Without these items, the chart
 doesn't tell the whole story and
 will, most likely, lead to confusion and concern.
 
 Pete, WA2CWA
 
 Pete--
 
 Thank you for your note. Unfortunately, we can't
 reprint the final
 plenary minutes. As such, we provided the link in the first
 sentence of
 the article. This enables interested parties, such as
 yourself, to take a
 closer look into it.
 
 Have a good rest-of-Thanksgiving-weekend!
 
 73,
 S. Khrystyne Keane, K1SFA
 ARRL News Editor
 ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio
 860.594.0237
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Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan

2008-12-04 Thread VJB
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:38 PM

 Pete I meant to ask whether you asked them to REPRINT (not
 rewrite) the entire IARU final minutes.
 
--previous text follows--
 Thanks for trying to convince the ARRL to revise its
 coverage of the Region 1 summary.  The response
 from their press aide indicates she misunderstood your
 request.  You did not ask them to rewrite the IARU's
 final minutes, did you ?


  
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Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan

2008-12-04 Thread Peter Markavage
Let me do this again which includes my final reply to her. She did not
reply further. This should answer your question, Paul. I didn't ask for a
rewrite of the minutes nor a reprint of all the IARU Region 1 published
minutes. In my opinion, if an organization and/or magazine publisher(s),
or any news reporting organization publicizes a revised band chart, even
though it applies only to IARU Region 1 amateurs, any notes, caveats, or
supplemental information which are integral to the full understanding of
the chart, should also be included. 
Pete, wa2cwa

-Original Message-
From: Peter Markavage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun 11/30/2008 2:45 PM
To: awextra
Subject: IARU Region 1 Meeting News Item

Reference news item:
http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/11/29/10474/?nc=1

The revised Region 1 band plan chart for 40 meters is shown, which was
defined on page 9 of the IARU Region 1's  final minutes. However, you
omitted the items on page 10 of the same minutes which further clarifies
the chart. The items include Sideband Usage, Definitions, and
Notes. Without these items, the chart doesn't tell the whole story and
will, most likely, lead to confusion and concern.

Pete, WA2CWA


On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:09:45 -0500 Keane, S Khrystyne, K1SFA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Pete--

Thank you for your note. Unfortunately, we can't reprint the final
plenary minutes. As such, we provided the link in the first sentence of
the article. This enables interested parties, such as yourself, to take a
closer look into it.

Have a good rest-of-Thanksgiving-weekend!

73,
S. Khrystyne Keane, K1SFA
ARRL News Editor
ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio
860.594.0237


-
And, my final reply to her:
Thanks for the reply. I didn't say to reprint the entire plenary minutes,
but since you posted the chart of the revised 40 meter band, you should
have included the Sideband Usage, Definitions, and Notes that are
part of the chart. Without that information, the chart tells a different
story, which was my point.

Pete, wa2cwa





 
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:39:31 -0800 (PST) VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 --- On Thu, 12/4/08, VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  From: VJB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:38 PM
 
  Pete I meant to ask whether you asked them to REPRINT (not
  rewrite) the entire IARU final minutes.
  
 --previous text follows--
  Thanks for trying to convince the ARRL to revise its
  coverage of the Region 1 summary.  The response
  from their press aide indicates she misunderstood your
  request.  You did not ask them to rewrite the IARU's
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Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan

2008-12-04 Thread VJB
Thanks Pete, of course I totally agree.

Being left out is just the risk some of us saw when the ARRL wanted to relegate 
AM as a footnote or an exception to the League's proposal to segregate by 
bandwidth.

Looking forward to your sharing any response from them now that they've done 
just that in their press release regarding the IARU's Region 1 plan

Paul




  
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