Re: [AMRadio] Delibrate encroachment
Please take this discussion private. My mailbox is overstuffed and I don't need any more of it. Just remember what Reilly Hollingsworth has said over and over and turn it off! Thanks and 73, John, W4AWM __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Delibrate encroachment
Ladies and Gentlemen, please allow me to step in for just a moment and thank you for the way your are behaving. This subject can become very heated and someone can wind up insulting another. I do know that the subject has and will be rehashed for a while. I ask your patience because I consider it like a QSO on the radio and as long as no one insults or otherwise slams another, I tend to let it go. To those of you who don't want to see additional posts, please use the delete key. Those of you who wish to discuss it just remain considerate of all others opinions. Jim/W5JO Moderator __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] Delibrate encroachment
What's all this baloney about an AM window? Sounds like someone is trying to relegate us AMers to the corner. I agree with Todd in that I reserve the right to operate anywhere in the spectrum that my Advanced license allows me to, and while doing so I will try to abide by all courtesies and protocols and show some respect for others. If I am on a freq and someone asks me to move a bit, I will be happy to oblige. Just because a very smart Ham determined how to cut an AM envelope in half thereby reducing the bandwidth used, does NOT mean that thereafter all AM stations should be pushed aside. I have had very polite SSB Ops ask me to move a bit and I did so and , YOU KNOW WHAT, we both finished our QSO's and everybody was happy. We will always have to put up with those that think they own a Freq.. Best to just Ignore them. My 2 Cents. Frank KI0RQ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] AM Window Weenies
I sure hope all of you have something better to do with your time than hash this crap over & over. It's been the same 'ole, same 'ole for years & years & it ain't gonna change. It's like a saying I saw once that I'll never forget. Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded! Brian/WB2JIX __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Once upon a time, nets had priority if they published their frequency and time of operation. That is not true anymore. You don't see net directories in QST or any other publication. Not too long ago someone in the 7290 Traffic Net, which claims to be part of the national traffic system, complained about W8VYZ being on 7.290. He might be there an hour before their time or just as the net control closed the net, Bill would hit the switch and call CQ. Someone taped him and the net filed a formal complaint about his type of operation. Today if someone is on 7.290 using AM before the net starts you will hear net control near 7.285 or so calling the net and the AM station on 7.290. So the days of net priority are over and Bill received a letter of exoneration from the FCC. So if anyone thinks a net has precedence on a frequency they are wrong. That is an operating habit that has carried over from the days of the National Traffic System. And, I imagine, if you claimed operation because you are crystal controlled, you would be told to get a VFO, they are plentiful. Tonight I heard a couple of guys I know well on 3.775 using AM. I joined them and when they signed a couple of other guys, one in WY and another in AR joined me. There is a group of guys who operate on 3.775 every night and, sure enough, suddenly very strong carriers appeared on frequency nearly zero beat for long periods of time. I could hear my friends through the interference and, when it was my turn, I mentioned the "owners of the frequency" were present. They got the message and moved. I continued with my contacts for another 30 minutes or so and the frequency remained clear. I would have done the same thing no matter what frequency I was using. We are allowed to use any frequency our license class permits and I do that. I encourage anyone to operate anywhere they choose and if they are on your favorite frequency, you should politely ask if you can use it or simply move the the nearest open frequency. Any good net will have a secondary frequency should the primary be busy, it is just good operating practice. 73 Jim/W5JO - Original Message - > Finally someone who understands how to be a good AM op, Way to go > Brett!! You are right on the money. > > Dave > > Brett Gazdzinski wrote: >> If AM stations dont stay in the AM window during prime time, then why >> would >> ssb stations respect the AM window? >> >> I like the idea of hanging out between 3870 to 3890 roughly, and like >> when >> people stick around the 5 KHz spacings, as I have a plazma tv noise >> right on >> 3880, that leaves me 3870, 3875, 3885. >> If there is a qso on 3873 there is no place to call CQ. >> >> Lately, there seems to be lots of ssb stations in the window or very >> close >> Nets and all... >> >> Still, if a net started up in the middle of my qso, I would try to >> slide >> someplace else... >> >> >> Brett __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
On Dec 5, 2009, at 7:07 PM, Bernie Doran wrote: > fine Dave, I just do not understand what I am doing. Ok? I'm just shaking my head in bewilderment as I read through this topic. It's no wonder that I have essentially ZERO desire even pursue any amateur radio activities today. What's the point? So many inconsequential acts turn into a major pissing contest. No? Just reread what you've all been posting! I'm thinking of selling off my vintage Heath, Gonset, and WRL equipment. It's a sure thing there's not much enjoyment to be gained in operating them. The enjoyment came from the restoration. 73, Joe, N6DGY Pleasant Grove, UT __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Again, another guy who understands how to use his radios, Way way to go Rob, BTW nice to have you join us on the pre-net today, also good to have you in there. 73 Dave W9WRL.com Rob Atkinson wrote: > Hmm, interesting turn in this exchange. I think you are both right. > I do not see a problem with stations gravitating to multiples of 5 for > frequency as it seems to organize things under normal circumstances > and helps insure that there is less QRM between AM stations. However, > when things get tight, you have the freedom of moving around with a > VFO if you have one, as necessary. > > Think of the band as a big dinner table in a restaurant. it starts > out with everyone having equal space. but people keep showing up to > eat at the table and start squeezing in. That's okay and everyone > puts up with the occasional elbow going where it is not wanted but > besides that everyone eats and is happy. > > So if the band is relatively free or your part of it is, and you have > the luxury of picking a frequency to CQ on, why not pick a multiple of > 5 or close to it if you have a VFO, but if someone is on 3873 say, you > slide up to 3878 if there is a QSO on 3884 to 5 (not everyone zero > beat). You can call it the dreaded "channelized" word but I think of > it as being sensibly orderly. I don't like being channelized either > but I don't mind this as it is voluntary and no one is taking my VFOs > away from me and giving me a click stop xtal switch numbered 1-40. : > ) > > 73 > > Rob > K5UJ > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Todd, KA1KAQ wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Dave Mayfield W9WRL wrote: >> >>> Because, Some guys are rock bound. It is normal operating procedure that >>> AM op's take place at 3880, 3885, 3890. No one buys a rock to operated a >>> vintage transmitter at 3887. You can say what you want the bottom line >>> is this. the net control for the Military net should have done a better >>> job, and no one should start a Q on 3887 the middle of the road. To do >>> so is just not understanding what your doing. >>> >> Not trying to pick a fight Dave, but I have to agree with Bernie on >> this one. Being rockbound is a choice and can be fun, but I'd bet it's >> more the exception than the rule. Sometimes the situation dictates >> using an odd frequency simply to give another, ongoing QSO enough >> space (regardless of mode). Everyone I know who operates with crystal >> control also has a VFO option available to use in order to participate >> in such conversations. Not only that, I have a lot of odd frequency >> crystals in the box here that were ground decades ago. >> >> Applying channelized thinking to today's bands for fone work is just >> too limiting. Right up there with restricting yourself to an imaginary >> "AM Window" tiny sliver of space. The same rules apply to frequencies >> in use regardless of whether they are even, odd, whole, or round. It's >> not like the bands are terribly congested these days. Expecting the >> vast majority to restrict their spectrum use to suit the possible few >> doesn't make sense either, in my opinion. But it is a hobby, and folks >> are free to operate what and how they choose, within the rules. >> >> Of course, I also heard Bernie respond with an S9+20 signal to a CQ on >> 40m a few weeks back 4 kcs away from an ongoing QSO I was in with >> several other ops, then complain about the interference we were >> causing. Being 40, I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt. (o: >> >> ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/a
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Finally someone who understands how to be a good AM op, Way to go Brett!! You are right on the money. Dave Brett Gazdzinski wrote: > If AM stations dont stay in the AM window during prime time, then why would > ssb stations respect the AM window? > > I like the idea of hanging out between 3870 to 3890 roughly, and like when > people stick around the 5 KHz spacings, as I have a plazma tv noise right on > 3880, that leaves me 3870, 3875, 3885. > If there is a qso on 3873 there is no place to call CQ. > > Lately, there seems to be lots of ssb stations in the window or very > close > Nets and all... > > Still, if a net started up in the middle of my qso, I would try to slide > someplace else... > > > Brett > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Brett Gazdzinski wrote: > If AM stations dont stay in the AM window during prime time, then why would > ssb stations respect the AM window? First I'd have to ask - what AM Window do you refer to? Where is it written? More importantly - what respect? As long as I can remember operating on the 75m frequencies cited as well as those on 40, I've never seen what I'd consider 'respect' of either area by SSBers. It's a pipe dream. The No Traffic net on 40 and nightly 'prime time' jamming on 75 are prime examples. If anything, it's not as bad now as it was 15 - 20 years ago. Even before the phone band expansion a few years back, there were AMers operating down around 3825 and other frequencies outside the accepted (by AMers) areas regularly. Since the band expansion, many of us have enjoyed quiet, comfortable operating conditions down in the 80m portion. I enjoyed many an evening chat with Al VE3AJM, Tim VE6PG, Donovan VE1BDC, Dave VE1UJ and many others down on 3725. Also the area around 7150 - 7175 on 40 this past year. The only argument I ever heard that made some sense was restriction of license class. But to me, it's more of a reason to upgrade. The conditions down below are just too nice to miss out on. I reserve the right to operate anywhere within the spectrum allowed by my Advanced Class license, including certain old AM haunts when conditions permit. But life and radio time are just too short for the nightly pissing matches that take place on 75. At the end of the day, the types of SSB folks likely to respect AM operation are the same ones who will operate respectfully on other frequencies as well, even throw the switch to AM now and then and give it a try. Stupid is stupid, regardless of mode, net, or ragchew. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
I wish i had room to put up my 160 meter dipole at 1/4 wave off the ground. -Original Message- From: Bernie Doran Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:13 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment Hi Todd:" If I responded to a CQ. I did not even listen for anyone else nearby. I hear so few calling CQ that I will repond even when not tuned up. sorry. even on 40 I try to stay low, but that gets difficult at times. Bernie- Original Message - From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Dave Mayfield W9WRL wrote: >> Because, Some guys are rock bound. It is normal operating procedure that >> AM op's take place at 3880, 3885, 3890. No one buys a rock to operated a >> vintage transmitter at 3887. You can say what you want the bottom line >> is this. the net control for the Military net should have done a better >> job, and no one should start a Q on 3887 the middle of the road. To do >> so is just not understanding what your doing. > > Not trying to pick a fight Dave, but I have to agree with Bernie on > this one. Being rockbound is a choice and can be fun, but I'd bet it's > more the exception than the rule. Sometimes the situation dictates > using an odd frequency simply to give another, ongoing QSO enough > space (regardless of mode). Everyone I know who operates with crystal > control also has a VFO option available to use in order to participate > in such conversations. Not only that, I have a lot of odd frequency > crystals in the box here that were ground decades ago. > > Applying channelized thinking to today's bands for fone work is just > too limiting. Right up there with restricting yourself to an imaginary > "AM Window" tiny sliver of space. The same rules apply to frequencies > in use regardless of whether they are even, odd, whole, or round. It's > not like the bands are terribly congested these days. Expecting the > vast majority to restrict their spectrum use to suit the possible few > doesn't make sense either, in my opinion. But it is a ho [The entire original message is not included] __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Hi Todd:" If I responded to a CQ. I did not even listen for anyone else nearby. I hear so few calling CQ that I will repond even when not tuned up. sorry. even on 40 I try to stay low, but that gets difficult at times. Bernie- Original Message - From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Dave Mayfield W9WRL wrote: >> Because, Some guys are rock bound. It is normal operating procedure that >> AM op's take place at 3880, 3885, 3890. No one buys a rock to operated a >> vintage transmitter at 3887. You can say what you want the bottom line >> is this. the net control for the Military net should have done a better >> job, and no one should start a Q on 3887 the middle of the road. To do >> so is just not understanding what your doing. > > Not trying to pick a fight Dave, but I have to agree with Bernie on > this one. Being rockbound is a choice and can be fun, but I'd bet it's > more the exception than the rule. Sometimes the situation dictates > using an odd frequency simply to give another, ongoing QSO enough > space (regardless of mode). Everyone I know who operates with crystal > control also has a VFO option available to use in order to participate > in such conversations. Not only that, I have a lot of odd frequency > crystals in the box here that were ground decades ago. > > Applying channelized thinking to today's bands for fone work is just > too limiting. Right up there with restricting yourself to an imaginary > "AM Window" tiny sliver of space. The same rules apply to frequencies > in use regardless of whether they are even, odd, whole, or round. It's > not like the bands are terribly congested these days. Expecting the > vast majority to restrict their spectrum use to suit the possible few > doesn't make sense either, in my opinion. But it is a hobby, and folks > are free to operate what and how they choose, within the rules. > > Of course, I also heard Bernie respond with an S9+20 signal to a CQ on > 40m a few weeks back 4 kcs away from an ongoing QSO I was in with > several other ops, then complain about the interference we were > causing. Being 40, I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt. (o: > > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
fine Dave, I just do not understand what I am doing. Ok? - Original Message - From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > Because, Some guys are rock bound. It is normal operating procedure that > AM op's take place at 3880, 3885, 3890. No one buys a rock to operated a > vintage transmitter at 3887. You can say what you want the bottom line > is this. the net control for the Military net should have done a better > job, and no one should start a Q on 3887 the middle of the road. To do > so is just not understanding what your doing. > > sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: >>> If you were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to >>> >> move up >> >>> a bit, as the net was about to start. >>> >> >> Hmmm... why not shift the net down? Nets should not have "priority" >> over other operations. When I an NCS for a net, I start the net on a >> frequency on or near (as needed to avoid contacts already in progress). >>For example, I'm sometimes net-control for a net that is planned for >> 3840 kHz, but often sets up on 3838 or so to avoid QS0s on 3841. >> >> Wherever NCS calls the net, that's the frequency everyone should meet >> on. >> >> Steve WD8DAS >> >> sbjohns...@aol.com >> >> Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin >> http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Mayfield W9WRL >> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >> >> Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 5:08 pm >> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >> >> >> I did not say anything about there being any assigned frequency. If you >> were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up >> a bit, as the net was about to start. At the same time, the correct >> thing for you would have been either to be on 3880, 3885, or 3890. not >> 3887. If you operated on 3887 you are now hogging 10kc of bandwidth. >> With you on on 3887 no one can use either 3885 or 3890. Keeping on even >> frequencys on 3880, 3885, 3890 allows all of use space to operate. >> >> Dave W9WRL.com >> >> Bernie Doran wrote: >> >>> Nope I was on AM. However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency >>> >> to AM! >> >>> BernieW8RPW >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" >>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >>> >>> >>> >>> Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate Military radios. This net has been around for years. Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about >> where >> you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, simple as that. Dave W9WRL.com John King wrote: > Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, > >> John, >> > K5PGW > > > > - Original Message > From: Bernie Doran > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in > progress > on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the > military > Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was > >> going >> > to > be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there > >> would >> > be > no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near > >> THEIR >> > freq. > Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB > >> deliberate >> > encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. > Bernie > W8RPW > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net > >> with >> > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing lis
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
If AM stations dont stay in the AM window during prime time, then why would ssb stations respect the AM window? I like the idea of hanging out between 3870 to 3890 roughly, and like when people stick around the 5 KHz spacings, as I have a plazma tv noise right on 3880, that leaves me 3870, 3875, 3885. If there is a qso on 3873 there is no place to call CQ. Lately, there seems to be lots of ssb stations in the window or very close Nets and all... Still, if a net started up in the middle of my qso, I would try to slide someplace else... Brett __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Hmm, interesting turn in this exchange. I think you are both right. I do not see a problem with stations gravitating to multiples of 5 for frequency as it seems to organize things under normal circumstances and helps insure that there is less QRM between AM stations. However, when things get tight, you have the freedom of moving around with a VFO if you have one, as necessary. Think of the band as a big dinner table in a restaurant. it starts out with everyone having equal space. but people keep showing up to eat at the table and start squeezing in. That's okay and everyone puts up with the occasional elbow going where it is not wanted but besides that everyone eats and is happy. So if the band is relatively free or your part of it is, and you have the luxury of picking a frequency to CQ on, why not pick a multiple of 5 or close to it if you have a VFO, but if someone is on 3873 say, you slide up to 3878 if there is a QSO on 3884 to 5 (not everyone zero beat). You can call it the dreaded "channelized" word but I think of it as being sensibly orderly. I don't like being channelized either but I don't mind this as it is voluntary and no one is taking my VFOs away from me and giving me a click stop xtal switch numbered 1-40. : ) 73 Rob K5UJ On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Todd, KA1KAQ wrote: > On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Dave Mayfield W9WRL wrote: >> Because, Some guys are rock bound. It is normal operating procedure that >> AM op's take place at 3880, 3885, 3890. No one buys a rock to operated a >> vintage transmitter at 3887. You can say what you want the bottom line >> is this. the net control for the Military net should have done a better >> job, and no one should start a Q on 3887 the middle of the road. To do >> so is just not understanding what your doing. > > Not trying to pick a fight Dave, but I have to agree with Bernie on > this one. Being rockbound is a choice and can be fun, but I'd bet it's > more the exception than the rule. Sometimes the situation dictates > using an odd frequency simply to give another, ongoing QSO enough > space (regardless of mode). Everyone I know who operates with crystal > control also has a VFO option available to use in order to participate > in such conversations. Not only that, I have a lot of odd frequency > crystals in the box here that were ground decades ago. > > Applying channelized thinking to today's bands for fone work is just > too limiting. Right up there with restricting yourself to an imaginary > "AM Window" tiny sliver of space. The same rules apply to frequencies > in use regardless of whether they are even, odd, whole, or round. It's > not like the bands are terribly congested these days. Expecting the > vast majority to restrict their spectrum use to suit the possible few > doesn't make sense either, in my opinion. But it is a hobby, and folks > are free to operate what and how they choose, within the rules. > > Of course, I also heard Bernie respond with an S9+20 signal to a CQ on > 40m a few weeks back 4 kcs away from an ongoing QSO I was in with > several other ops, then complain about the interference we were > causing. Being 40, I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt. (o: > > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Dave Mayfield W9WRL wrote: > Because, Some guys are rock bound. It is normal operating procedure that > AM op's take place at 3880, 3885, 3890. No one buys a rock to operated a > vintage transmitter at 3887. You can say what you want the bottom line > is this. the net control for the Military net should have done a better > job, and no one should start a Q on 3887 the middle of the road. To do > so is just not understanding what your doing. Not trying to pick a fight Dave, but I have to agree with Bernie on this one. Being rockbound is a choice and can be fun, but I'd bet it's more the exception than the rule. Sometimes the situation dictates using an odd frequency simply to give another, ongoing QSO enough space (regardless of mode). Everyone I know who operates with crystal control also has a VFO option available to use in order to participate in such conversations. Not only that, I have a lot of odd frequency crystals in the box here that were ground decades ago. Applying channelized thinking to today's bands for fone work is just too limiting. Right up there with restricting yourself to an imaginary "AM Window" tiny sliver of space. The same rules apply to frequencies in use regardless of whether they are even, odd, whole, or round. It's not like the bands are terribly congested these days. Expecting the vast majority to restrict their spectrum use to suit the possible few doesn't make sense either, in my opinion. But it is a hobby, and folks are free to operate what and how they choose, within the rules. Of course, I also heard Bernie respond with an S9+20 signal to a CQ on 40m a few weeks back 4 kcs away from an ongoing QSO I was in with several other ops, then complain about the interference we were causing. Being 40, I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt. (o: ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Bernie, I am not interested in making an enemy out of you. I'm just trying to make a point that being on 3887, is contrary to the way most all AM'ers operate and to be on an odd frequency like 3887 will only cause QRM to the guys on 3885 and 3890. I will leave it at that, and so no more. Dave Bernie Doran wrote: > Dave: with all due respect, think about what you have said. you first > assumed I was on SSB and said that I should not have been in the AM WINDOW, > now you are saying that I was on the wrong freq. if you go back to what I > said you will see that I moved 7kc away from the station lower in freq, that > is barely enough to avoid qrm. My audio at starts to fall off at 5 kc so I > am about 10 kc wide, +and- 5kc if the other gentleman also had the same > response then we have a slight overlap of about 1.5 kc each. And that does > not include what our receivers listen too. the only way that I even knew > that I was that close was because I turned on the rice box as an accurate? > source and zero beat it. If you chose to crowd and run a 2.1 ssb filter, you > will be much better off running sideband. my audio train and voice have only > minimal freq above 5kc, probably Fs and Ss hit a little above that. The > available band for voice xmission runs from a little above 3.6 to a little > below 4.0. we can operate anywhere in that area and on any freq. read the > regulations.I actually thought we were through with this discussion. > Now I am heading to the garage and turn on the big dog, if the freq is clear > I will try to be on 3,704,711 CYs I think that is a prime number. not sure. > if that area is busy I may be as low as 3.68XXX or up to 3.72xxx > Come on down there and join me. Bernie W8RPW > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > > >> I did not say anything about there being any assigned frequency. If you >> were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up >> a bit, as the net was about to start. At the same time, the correct >> thing for you would have been either to be on 3880, 3885, or 3890. not >> 3887. If you operated on 3887 you are now hogging 10kc of bandwidth. >> With you on on 3887 no one can use either 3885 or 3890. Keeping on even >> frequencys on 3880, 3885, 3890 allows all of use space to operate. >> >> Dave W9WRL.com >> >> Bernie Doran wrote: >> >>> Nope I was on AM. However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency to >>> AM! >>> BernieW8RPW >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" >>> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >>> >>> >>> >>> Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate Military radios. This net has been around for years. Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about where you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, simple as that. Dave W9WRL.com John King wrote: > Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, > John, > K5PGW > > > > - Original Message > From: Bernie Doran > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in > progress > on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the > military > Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was > going > to > be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would > be > no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR > freq. > Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB > deliberate > encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. > Bernie > W8RPW > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > >
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Because, Some guys are rock bound. It is normal operating procedure that AM op's take place at 3880, 3885, 3890. No one buys a rock to operated a vintage transmitter at 3887. You can say what you want the bottom line is this. the net control for the Military net should have done a better job, and no one should start a Q on 3887 the middle of the road. To do so is just not understanding what your doing. sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: >> If you were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to >> > move up > >> a bit, as the net was about to start. >> > > Hmmm... why not shift the net down? Nets should not have "priority" > over other operations. When I an NCS for a net, I start the net on a > frequency on or near (as needed to avoid contacts already in progress). >For example, I'm sometimes net-control for a net that is planned for > 3840 kHz, but often sets up on 3838 or so to avoid QS0s on 3841. > > Wherever NCS calls the net, that's the frequency everyone should meet > on. > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > > Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin > http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Mayfield W9WRL > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 5:08 pm > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > > I did not say anything about there being any assigned frequency. If you > were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up > a bit, as the net was about to start. At the same time, the correct > thing for you would have been either to be on 3880, 3885, or 3890. not > 3887. If you operated on 3887 you are now hogging 10kc of bandwidth. > With you on on 3887 no one can use either 3885 or 3890. Keeping on even > frequencys on 3880, 3885, 3890 allows all of use space to operate. > > Dave W9WRL.com > > Bernie Doran wrote: > >> Nope I was on AM. However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency >> > to AM! > >> BernieW8RPW >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" >> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >> >> >> >> >>> Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate >>> Military radios. This net has been around for years. >>> >>> Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about >>> > where > >>> you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM >>> operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, >>> simple as that. >>> >>> Dave W9WRL.com >>> >>> John King wrote: >>> >>> Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, > John, > K5PGW - Original Message From: Bernie Doran To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in progress on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the military Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was > going > to be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there > would > be no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near > THEIR > freq. Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB > deliberate > encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie W8RPW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Dave: with all due respect, think about what you have said. you first assumed I was on SSB and said that I should not have been in the AM WINDOW, now you are saying that I was on the wrong freq. if you go back to what I said you will see that I moved 7kc away from the station lower in freq, that is barely enough to avoid qrm. My audio at starts to fall off at 5 kc so I am about 10 kc wide, +and- 5kc if the other gentleman also had the same response then we have a slight overlap of about 1.5 kc each. And that does not include what our receivers listen too. the only way that I even knew that I was that close was because I turned on the rice box as an accurate? source and zero beat it. If you chose to crowd and run a 2.1 ssb filter, you will be much better off running sideband. my audio train and voice have only minimal freq above 5kc, probably Fs and Ss hit a little above that. The available band for voice xmission runs from a little above 3.6 to a little below 4.0. we can operate anywhere in that area and on any freq. read the regulations.I actually thought we were through with this discussion. Now I am heading to the garage and turn on the big dog, if the freq is clear I will try to be on 3,704,711 CYs I think that is a prime number. not sure. if that area is busy I may be as low as 3.68XXX or up to 3.72xxx Come on down there and join me. Bernie W8RPW - Original Message - From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >I did not say anything about there being any assigned frequency. If you > were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up > a bit, as the net was about to start. At the same time, the correct > thing for you would have been either to be on 3880, 3885, or 3890. not > 3887. If you operated on 3887 you are now hogging 10kc of bandwidth. > With you on on 3887 no one can use either 3885 or 3890. Keeping on even > frequencys on 3880, 3885, 3890 allows all of use space to operate. > > Dave W9WRL.com > > Bernie Doran wrote: >> Nope I was on AM. However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency to >> AM! >> BernieW8RPW >> - Original Message - >> From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" >> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >> >> >> >>> Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate >>> Military radios. This net has been around for years. >>> >>> Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about where >>> you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM >>> operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, >>> simple as that. >>> >>> Dave W9WRL.com >>> >>> John King wrote: >>> Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, John, K5PGW - Original Message From: Bernie Doran To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in progress on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the military Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going to be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would be no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR freq. Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie W8RPW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the m
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
I beg to differ here. Applying the "rules of the road," the existing QSO had "right of way." The net was the one that should have: 1)Ask if the operators would MIND QSYing or 2)Move the net in and of itself. However, the in scenario #1 they are not compelled to move since it is first come first serve. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment I did not say anything about there being any assigned frequency. If you were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up a bit, as the net was about to start. At the same time, the correct thing for you would have been either to be on 3880, 3885, or 3890. not 3887. If you operated on 3887 you are now hogging 10kc of bandwidth. With you on on 3887 no one can use either 3885 or 3890. Keeping on even frequencys on 3880, 3885, 3890 allows all of use space to operate. Dave W9WRL.com __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
This whole thing is starting to go tennies up! First - No designated AM frequency. Seceond - The band is not channelized. We use VFOs, and tune to where there is a hole, after listening. No wonder "some" regard AM operations as an animal farm. Bob - N0DGN Dave Mayfield W9WRL wrote: > I said that a tad wrong, your not hogging 10kc, but it's like driving on > a two lane highway, there are two lanes, and your driving down the > middle, sure your only using one lane width, but no one else can use the > road. > > Sure the net control should have handled it better, but you should not > have been in the middle of the road. > > Dave W9WRL.com > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
>If you were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up >a bit, as the net was about to start. Hmmm... why not shift the net down? Nets should not have "priority" over other operations. When I an NCS for a net, I start the net on a frequency on or near (as needed to avoid contacts already in progress). For example, I'm sometimes net-control for a net that is planned for 3840 kHz, but often sets up on 3838 or so to avoid QS0s on 3841. Wherever NCS calls the net, that's the frequency everyone should meet on. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com Capital City Hamfest - Sat, Jan 23 - Madison, Wisconsin http://www.wd8das.net/hamfest -Original Message- From: Dave Mayfield W9WRL To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment I did not say anything about there being any assigned frequency. If you were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up a bit, as the net was about to start. At the same time, the correct thing for you would have been either to be on 3880, 3885, or 3890. not 3887. If you operated on 3887 you are now hogging 10kc of bandwidth. With you on on 3887 no one can use either 3885 or 3890. Keeping on even frequencys on 3880, 3885, 3890 allows all of use space to operate. Dave W9WRL.com Bernie Doran wrote: > Nope I was on AM. However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency to AM! > BernieW8RPW > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > > >> Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate >> Military radios. This net has been around for years. >> >> Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about where >> you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM >> operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, >> simple as that. >> >> Dave W9WRL.com >> >> John King wrote: >> >>> Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, John, >>> K5PGW >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message >>> From: Bernie Doran >>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >>> >>> Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM >>> Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >>> >>> woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in >>> progress >>> on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the >>> military >>> Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going >>> to >>> be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would >>> be >>> no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR >>> freq. >>> Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate >>> encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. >>> Bernie >>> W8RPW >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: htt
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
I said that a tad wrong, your not hogging 10kc, but it's like driving on a two lane highway, there are two lanes, and your driving down the middle, sure your only using one lane width, but no one else can use the road. Sure the net control should have handled it better, but you should not have been in the middle of the road. Dave W9WRL.com Bernie Doran wrote: > Nope I was on AM. However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency to AM! > BernieW8RPW > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > > >> Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate >> Military radios. This net has been around for years. >> >> Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about where >> you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM >> operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, >> simple as that. >> >> Dave W9WRL.com >> >> John King wrote: >> >>> Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, John, >>> K5PGW >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message >>> From: Bernie Doran >>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >>> >>> Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM >>> Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >>> >>> woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in >>> progress >>> on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the >>> military >>> Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going >>> to >>> be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would >>> be >>> no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR >>> freq. >>> Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate >>> encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. >>> Bernie >>> W8RPW >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Pl
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
I did not say anything about there being any assigned frequency. If you were on the air first, the net control should have asked you to move up a bit, as the net was about to start. At the same time, the correct thing for you would have been either to be on 3880, 3885, or 3890. not 3887. If you operated on 3887 you are now hogging 10kc of bandwidth. With you on on 3887 no one can use either 3885 or 3890. Keeping on even frequencys on 3880, 3885, 3890 allows all of use space to operate. Dave W9WRL.com Bernie Doran wrote: > Nope I was on AM. However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency to AM! > BernieW8RPW > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > > >> Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate >> Military radios. This net has been around for years. >> >> Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about where >> you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM >> operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, >> simple as that. >> >> Dave W9WRL.com >> >> John King wrote: >> >>> Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, John, >>> K5PGW >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message >>> From: Bernie Doran >>> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >>> >>> Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM >>> Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >>> >>> woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in >>> progress >>> on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the >>> military >>> Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going >>> to >>> be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would >>> be >>> no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR >>> freq. >>> Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate >>> encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. >>> Bernie >>> W8RPW >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailma
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Paul: thanks for your input, however, this was clearly deliberate. The net control sta came on immeadiatly after I turned it back to the gentleman in Fla. Net control was running forty over nine and there is no doubt in my mind that he was hearing me at that same level and simply waited for me to turn it to the other station. there is simply no reason to not call me and advise that there was a net starting, except perhaps stupidity. clearly net control did not give a hoot. I wonder what they would have thought if I waited a few minutes and then started calling CQ. The other thing is I would have been interested in joining that group, however not now or ever. anyway lets stop this/ these exchanges. It was eight hours ago.I do not see this often, but it does happen enough to spoil the really good QSOs, I work mostly AM to get away from the CB type actions one hears on SSB, it was shock that AMers would do the same thing! there is 400 KC available and at 5AM there probably were not more that ten QSOs over the entire band. wish everyone would get out of that mess that is the so called AM window and go the low end.well perhaps not everyone, leave the belching and farting at the top. Bernie - Original Message - From: To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > Hello all, > I am a member of that organization and the actions may have been a > careless oversight. The people in the club are very nice and usually > courteous. We are all hams. I will send an email to the group and ask them > to listen a little better before transmitting in the future. I am in no > way defending the actions, just trying to smooth things over. > > > Thanks, Paul WA3GFZ > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bernie Doran" > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 9:46:09 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > Thanks Al. You should have called us. Yes, that is the reason that I try > to > stay on the low end of the band. I considered this as the same thing kenny > " > AM is trash" does. Just did not think there would be anyone down there at > 4:30AM. Bernie > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > >> >> Hi Bernie, >> >> >> >> I was listening in to your QSO with the 2 station in Florida, and what >> you >> write here is absolutely what occurred this morning. There was no way >> that >> the Military Radio Net group/net controller didn't hear you. It makes you >> wonder about common courtesy these days. Thats why I operate down at the >> low end of the band around 3725kc. Nice that you were able to continue >> your QSO down at 3705. >> >> >> >> Al Santangelo VE3AJM >> >>> From: qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com >>> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net >>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:41:48 -0500 >>> Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >>> >>> woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in >>> progress >>> on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the >>> military >>> Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going >>> to >>> be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would >>> be >>> no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR >>> freq. >>> Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate >>> encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie >>> W8RPW >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >>> AMRadio mailing list >>> Searchable Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >>> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >>> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >>> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >>> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >>> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > __ > Our Main Webs
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Hello all, I am a member of that organization and the actions may have been a careless oversight. The people in the club are very nice and usually courteous. We are all hams. I will send an email to the group and ask them to listen a little better before transmitting in the future. I am in no way defending the actions, just trying to smooth things over. Thanks, Paul WA3GFZ - Original Message - From: "Bernie Doran" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 9:46:09 AM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment Thanks Al. You should have called us. Yes, that is the reason that I try to stay on the low end of the band. I considered this as the same thing kenny " AM is trash" does. Just did not think there would be anyone down there at 4:30AM. Bernie - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > Hi Bernie, > > > > I was listening in to your QSO with the 2 station in Florida, and what you > write here is absolutely what occurred this morning. There was no way that > the Military Radio Net group/net controller didn't hear you. It makes you > wonder about common courtesy these days. Thats why I operate down at the > low end of the band around 3725kc. Nice that you were able to continue > your QSO down at 3705. > > > > Al Santangelo VE3AJM > >> From: qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com >> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net >> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:41:48 -0500 >> Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >> >> woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in >> progress >> on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the >> military >> Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going >> to >> be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would be >> no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR >> freq. >> Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate >> encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie >> W8RPW >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] HRO50 dial cord
I posted an info request a few days ago about dial cord replacement, Yes the panel must come off, remove all controls that penetrate the panel, remove all visible screws, then the big one. the two levers that hold the coils in place have a stud that passes through the panel and interior. they have a 3/8 inch nut located about 1/2 inch above the chassis, somewhat difficult to get too. on mine it was not the dial cord, rather the bronze bushing in the gear that is attached to the cord drum. The bushing was dry and nearly frozen to the gear, can not imagine why, its only 60 years old!The force on the gear pushed it out of engagement range. getting the nuts back on was also fun, I used a piece of large dia solder bent at about a 45 degree angle and just long enough to hold the nut. position the nut at the end of the stud and then try to spin it with another long tool or wire. it will eventually catch and from there on its just dog work. The point of all this is if you have the front panel off for some reason, clean and lub that bronze bushing. The tuning now is very smooth. believe it or not National used a spring loaded double brass gear, sure would not want any slop in the dial pointer!!! shows again the quality of construction in the old stuff. The old stuff will still be working in another fifty or more years, the rice boxes are simple throw aways!!. One more thing that might be of interest, all of my old receivers, HRO50-1, Drake R4, 75A2, 75A4, all are quieter and hear signals that my Ft1000MP mark V can not hear, in addition the Mark V hears things that are not there. Same antenna connected in parallel and also seperated.. That just amazes me. 73 Bernie W8RPW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Thanks Al. You should have called us. Yes, that is the reason that I try to stay on the low end of the band. I considered this as the same thing kenny " AM is trash" does. Just did not think there would be anyone down there at 4:30AM. Bernie - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > Hi Bernie, > > > > I was listening in to your QSO with the 2 station in Florida, and what you > write here is absolutely what occurred this morning. There was no way that > the Military Radio Net group/net controller didn't hear you. It makes you > wonder about common courtesy these days. Thats why I operate down at the > low end of the band around 3725kc. Nice that you were able to continue > your QSO down at 3705. > > > > Al Santangelo VE3AJM > >> From: qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com >> To: amradio@mailman.qth.net >> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:41:48 -0500 >> Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >> >> woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in >> progress >> on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the >> military >> Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going >> to >> be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would be >> no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR >> freq. >> Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate >> encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie >> W8RPW >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Nope I was on AM. However Dave, there is NO assigned frequency to AM! BernieW8RPW - Original Message - From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate > Military radios. This net has been around for years. > > Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about where > you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM > operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, > simple as that. > > Dave W9WRL.com > > John King wrote: >> Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, John, >> K5PGW >> >> >> >> - Original Message >> From: Bernie Doran >> To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >> >> Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM >> Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment >> >> woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in >> progress >> on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the >> military >> Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going >> to >> be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would >> be >> no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR >> freq. >> Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate >> encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. >> Bernie >> W8RPW >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> >> > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
It is the military radio collectors net. sorry, I never heard of them either- Original Message - From: "John King" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, John, > K5PGW > > > > - Original Message > From: Bernie Doran > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in > progress > on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the > military > Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going > to > be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would be > no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR freq. > Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate > encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie > W8RPW > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Hi Bernie, I was listening in to your QSO with the 2 station in Florida, and what you write here is absolutely what occurred this morning. There was no way that the Military Radio Net group/net controller didn't hear you. It makes you wonder about common courtesy these days. Thats why I operate down at the low end of the band around 3725kc. Nice that you were able to continue your QSO down at 3705. Al Santangelo VE3AJM > From: qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com > To: amradio@mailman.qth.net > Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:41:48 -0500 > Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in progress > on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the military > Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going to > be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would be > no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR freq. > Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate > encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie > W8RPW > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Bernie and John. The Military net is a group of hams that operate Military radios. This net has been around for years. Bernie, sounds like you were on SSB, while there are no laws about where you can operate 3880 to 3890 is designated as the AM window where AM operators operate. If someone is using SSB here they should not be, simple as that. Dave W9WRL.com John King wrote: > Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, John, K5PGW > > > > - Original Message > From: Bernie Doran > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM > Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment > > woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in progress > on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the military > Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going to > be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would be > no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR freq. > Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate > encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie > W8RPW > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
Just curious what type Military Net would be in the Ham Bands? 73, John, K5PGW - Original Message From: Bernie Doran To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 5:41:48 AM Subject: [AMRadio] deliberate encroachment woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in progress on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the military Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going to be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would be no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR freq. Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie W8RPW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] deliberate encroachment
woke up early this AM and called CQ on 3887, as there was a qso in progress on 3880. had been in QSO for about twenty minutes and at 5 AM the military Net fired up on 3885. All they had to do was advise that there was going to be a net starting at 5 and I would have slid away, but no, there would be no reason to do that. I am sure it was my fault for being near THEIR freq. Probably some of the people in this group bitch about the SSB deliberate encroachment. This lack of the most simple respect disgusts me. Bernie W8RPW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
