Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
Thanks Pete, of course I totally agree. Being left out is just the risk some of us saw when the ARRL wanted to relegate AM as a "footnote" or an "exception" to the League's proposal to segregate by bandwidth. Looking forward to your sharing any response from them now that they've done just that in their press release regarding the IARU's Region 1 plan Paul __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
Let me do this again which includes my final reply to her. She did not reply further. This should answer your question, Paul. I didn't ask for a rewrite of the minutes nor a reprint of all the IARU Region 1 published minutes. In my opinion, if an organization and/or magazine publisher(s), or any news reporting organization publicizes a revised band chart, even though it applies only to IARU Region 1 amateurs, any notes, caveats, or supplemental information which are integral to the full understanding of the chart, should also be included. Pete, wa2cwa -Original Message- From: Peter Markavage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 11/30/2008 2:45 PM To: awextra Subject: IARU Region 1 Meeting News Item Reference news item: http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/11/29/10474/?nc=1 The revised Region 1 band plan chart for 40 meters is shown, which was defined on page 9 of the IARU Region 1's final minutes. However, you omitted the items on page 10 of the same minutes which further clarifies the chart. The items include "Sideband Usage", "Definitions", and "Notes". Without these items, the chart doesn't tell the whole story and will, most likely, lead to confusion and concern. Pete, WA2CWA On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:09:45 -0500 "Keane, S Khrystyne, K1SFA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Pete-- Thank you for your note. Unfortunately, we can't reprint the final plenary minutes. As such, we provided the link in the first sentence of the article. This enables interested parties, such as yourself, to take a closer look into it. Have a good rest-of-Thanksgiving-weekend! 73, S. Khrystyne Keane, K1SFA ARRL News Editor ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio 860.594.0237 - And, my final reply to her: Thanks for the reply. I didn't say to reprint the entire plenary minutes, but since you posted the chart of the revised 40 meter band, you should have included the "Sideband Usage", "Definitions", and "Notes" that are part of the chart. Without that information, the chart tells a different story, which was my point. Pete, wa2cwa On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:39:31 -0800 (PST) VJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > --- On Thu, 12/4/08, VJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: VJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:38 PM > > > Pete I meant to ask whether you asked them to REPRINT (not > > rewrite) the entire IARU final minutes. > > > --previous text follows-- > > Thanks for trying to convince the ARRL to revise its > > "coverage" of the Region 1 summary. The response > > from their press aide indicates she misunderstood your > > request. You did not ask them to rewrite the IARU's > > final minutes, did you ?__ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
--- On Thu, 12/4/08, VJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: VJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:38 PM > Pete I meant to ask whether you asked them to REPRINT (not > rewrite) the entire IARU final minutes. > --previous text follows-- > Thanks for trying to convince the ARRL to revise its > "coverage" of the Region 1 summary. The response > from their press aide indicates she misunderstood your > request. You did not ask them to rewrite the IARU's > final minutes, did you ? __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
Don, I agree that it does not serve the League's agenda for them to acknowledge the affirmation of AM activity in the IARU Region 1 band plan. Pete, Thanks for trying to convince the ARRL to revise its "coverage" of the Region 1 summary. The response from their press aide indicates she misunderstood your request. You did not ask them to rewrite the IARU's final minutes, did you ? To both of you, is there any value in your asking any ranking represenatives in Region 1 to, in turn, ask the ARRL to more properly acknowledge the important details in the chart the League's press release has published ? I would appreciate your help in pursuing this. Would you both be willing to have your remarks further published in Electric Radio? I have been told by Ray that he intends to publish my report as a "letter to the Editor," to those who aren't on this Reflector. It would be nice to include you in the discussion. Please let me know, here or offline. Paul --- Pete, I take it this is the specific wording, related to AM, you questioned the League for omitting: (source: IARU website, dateline Cavtat, Croatia) http://www.iaru-r1.org/Cavtat%20papers.htm Sideband Usage Below 10MHz use lower sideband (LSB), above 10 MHz use upper sideband (USB) Amplitude modulation (AM) may be used in the telephony sub-bands providing consideration is given to adjacent channel users. DEFINITIONS: All modes CW, SSB and those modes listed as Centres of Activity, plus AM (Consideration should be given to adjacent channel users). --- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:25:36 -0600 > From: "D. Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 > Bandplan > To: > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; > charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks, Paul, for digging out "the rest of the > story". > > > Interesting, that there is no mention of this in the ARRL > Letter news report > regarding the revised Region 1 band plan for 40m. The > wording of their news > item leaves the distinct impression that the Plan > recommends for all phone > emissions to be limited to 2700 Hz. This could be a simple > oversight in > reporting, which would demonstrate at the very least the > writer's dismissal > of the significance of the AM community in amateur radio, > or it could have > been a deliberate omission, (sour grapes, maybe, or a > subtle expression of > unstated League policy supporting the Region 2 decision), > considering the > following: > > > > Don k4kyv > > > > > -- > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:18:23 -0500 > From: Peter Markavage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 > Bandplan > To: amradio@mailman.qth.net > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I sent this message to the e-mail link for this story on > the ARRL's web > page and what also appeared in the weekly ARRL Letter. At > this point, it > seems they have chosen not to make any revisions to their > original news > report. > Pete, wa2cwa > > -Original Message- > From: Peter Markavage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sun 11/30/2008 2:45 PM > To: awextra > Subject: IARU Region 1 Meeting News Item > > Reference news item: > http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/11/29/10474/?nc=1 > > The revised Region 1 band plan chart for 40 meters is > shown, which was > defined on page 9 of the IARU Region 1's final > minutes. However, you > omitted the items on page 10 of the same minutes which > further clarifies > the chart. The items include "Sideband Usage", > "Definitions", and > "Notes". Without these items, the chart > doesn't tell the whole story and > will, most likely, lead to confusion and concern. > > Pete, WA2CWA > > Pete-- > > Thank you for your note. Unfortunately, we can't > reprint the final > plenary minutes. As such, we provided the link in the first > sentence of > the article. This enables interested parties, such as > yourself, to take a > closer look into it. > > Have a good rest-of-Thanksgiving-weekend! > > 73, > S. Khrystyne Keane, K1SFA > ARRL News Editor > ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio > 860.594.0237 > - > --- > > ** __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
I sent this message to the e-mail link for this story on the ARRL's web page and what also appeared in the weekly ARRL Letter. At this point, it seems they have chosen not to make any revisions to their original news report. Pete, wa2cwa -Original Message- From: Peter Markavage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 11/30/2008 2:45 PM To: awextra Subject: IARU Region 1 Meeting News Item Reference news item: http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stories/2008/11/29/10474/?nc=1 The revised Region 1 band plan chart for 40 meters is shown, which was defined on page 9 of the IARU Region 1's final minutes. However, you omitted the items on page 10 of the same minutes which further clarifies the chart. The items include "Sideband Usage", "Definitions", and "Notes". Without these items, the chart doesn't tell the whole story and will, most likely, lead to confusion and concern. Pete, WA2CWA Pete-- Thank you for your note. Unfortunately, we can't reprint the final plenary minutes. As such, we provided the link in the first sentence of the article. This enables interested parties, such as yourself, to take a closer look into it. Have a good rest-of-Thanksgiving-weekend! 73, S. Khrystyne Keane, K1SFA ARRL News Editor ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio 860.594.0237 - --- On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:25:36 -0600 "D. Chester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks, Paul, for digging out "the rest of the story". > Interesting, that there is no mention of this in the ARRL Letter > news report > regarding the revised Region 1 band plan for 40m. The wording of > their news > item leaves the distinct impression that the Plan recommends for all > phone > emissions to be limited to 2700 Hz. This could be a simple > oversight in > reporting, which would demonstrate at the very least the writer's > dismissal > of the significance of the AM community in amateur radio, or it > could have > been a deliberate omission, (sour grapes, maybe, or a subtle > expression of > unstated League policy supporting the Region 2 decision), > considering the > following: > > > > Don k4kyv__ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
Thanks, Paul, for digging out "the rest of the story". From: VJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ...Their decision, at their recent meeting in Croatia, was to continue to avoid specifying any enumerated bandwidth for AM transmissions in the layout of licensed hobbyist operating activity they help coordinate on the HF bands. The Region 1 delegates took action in precisely the manner U.S. licensees had wanted their representative group to support during earlier Region 2 band planning deliberations... Interesting, that there is no mention of this in the ARRL Letter news report regarding the revised Region 1 band plan for 40m. The wording of their news item leaves the distinct impression that the Plan recommends for all phone emissions to be limited to 2700 Hz. This could be a simple oversight in reporting, which would demonstrate at the very least the writer's dismissal of the significance of the AM community in amateur radio, or it could have been a deliberate omission, (sour grapes, maybe, or a subtle expression of unstated League policy supporting the Region 2 decision), considering the following: ...But, as many here should know, the ARRL contradicted this expressed sentiment, and proposed specific bandwidth parameters. The numbers became part of the revised Region 2 band plan now in effect. The Region 2 charter calls on government regulatory bodies, including the U.S., to adopt the voluntary protocols the IARU representative clubs develop. A Region 1 official, in explaining that it is a conscious decision NOT to impose numerical bandwidth parameters on AM transmissions, said the wording dates to 2005 at a regional meting in Switzerland, and was reached IN AGREEMENT WITH AM GROUPS. (emphasis mine) By contrast, the club that is supposed to represent all U.S. licensees at the IARU failed to include "AM groups" in any manner, and, the record shows, deliberately ignored requests to correct the League's misguided approach taken in Brazil that led to the problem created for Region 2... Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] AM accomodated in IARU Region 1 Bandplan
The Region 1 delegates to the IARU, a voluntary, non-binding hobbyist work group, have accommodated AM activity in their latest revised band plan taking effect March, 2009. Their decision, at their recent meeting in Croatia, was to continue to avoid specifying any enumerated bandwidth for AM transmissions in the layout of licensed hobbyist operating activity they help coordinate on the HF bands. The Region 1 delegates took action in precisely the manner U.S. licensees had wanted their representative group to support during earlier Region 2 band planning deliberations. But, as many here should know, the ARRL contradicted this expressed sentiment, and proposed specific bandwidth parameters. The numbers became part of the revised Region 2 band plan now in effect. The Region 2 charter calls on government regulatory bodies, including the U.S., to adopt the voluntary protocols the IARU representative clubs develop. A Region 1 official, in explaining that it is a conscious decision NOT to impose numerical bandwidth parameters on AM transmissions, said the wording dates to 2005 at a regional meting in Switzerland, and was reached IN AGREEMENT WITH AM GROUPS. (emphasis mine) By contrast, the club that is supposed to represent all U.S. licensees at the IARU failed to include "AM groups" in any manner, and, the record shows, deliberately ignored requests to correct the League's misguided approach taken in Brazil that led to the problem created for Region 2. Under the IARU's charter, the status of a representative club at the IARU can be challenged if it can be shown the group failed to implement the expressed desires of its consituents, or if the club's activity can be shown to have harmed licensees. Such harm would come if any governmental regulatory body accepts the IARU's advocacy of implementing these voluntary guidelines. Be vigilant. --Paul/VJB -Original Message- From: D. Chester To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 1:44 am Subject: [AMRadio] 7190 and/or 7195? Region 1 Bandplan contains no provision for AM in expanded 40m band >From ARRL Letter: ==> IARU REGION 1 MEETS IN CROATIA --- You gotta love those bandwidth limits all set at 2700 Hertz! Again, how is it to be measured? Does it apply to AM? I'm getting mighty sick of this narrow mind, narrow bandwidth thinking. Here we go again... Steve WD8DAS sbjohnston at aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ - Radio is your best entertainment value. - -Original Message- From: D. Chester To: amradio at mailman.qth.net Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 1:44 am Subject: [AMRadio] 7190 and/or 7195? Region 1 Bandplan contains no provision for AM in expanded 40m band >From ARRL Letter: ==> IARU REGION 1 MEETS IN CROATIA __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
