Re: [AMRadio] ARRL has filed its bandwidth proposal with FCC

2005-11-17 Thread Patrick Jankowiak
It does not seem as though they deliberately relegate AM to a footnote, it 
looks more like the effort is only to give AM its due, while keeping the 
hi-fi SSB stuff at bay. That's what I see anyway, between the lines.


They could have as easily put the AM exception statement in each cell of 
the table, then it would not be a footnote, but that would have messed up 
the table and beaurocrats like nice orderly documents. VE VILL HAFF ODAH!!


I think we should be glad for the '9K' limit on AM and not make too much 
noise lest they decide 6K00A3E is the legal limit!


problems, however:

No ISB. why? maybe because of the 3.5KHz rule.. So much for the Harris 
Monstrosity I am trying to obtain. It can do voice on one sideband and data 
on the other. I know it's a military specialty, but it's nice!


And I would like to see the rules for AM go back to the traditional KW 
input. It's no good for a 4-1000 to operate at 2000V and boil off all 
those electrons from the filament and not use them! Wishful thinking I 
suppose. -but the upside is I can use the absolute worst pulls!!




http://www.arrl.org/announce/regulatory/bandwidth/Bandwidth-Minute-64-Petition-FINAL.pdf



Who's running the ARRL and FCC anyway? :)

PJ


Re: [AMRadio] ARRL has filed its bandwidth proposal with FCC

2005-11-16 Thread dw73454


 Of course, a strict 3.5 kHz limit would shut down 
 a lot of slopbuckets as well.
 
 Don, k4kyv

Yep...I wuz wonderin' about the ESSB crowd. Therez
quite a bunch running wideband SSB. Pretty interesting to
note all the outboard processing gear that is used, along
with expensive studio mics.

Having said that (too much already?) SOME of those ESSB
signals take up WAY less bandwidth than the 
turn-on-the-processor-crank-it-up-and-use-my-leeenyear
slopbuckets that occupy 10 or 20 Khz


73 de Dan WAØJRD ..




RE: [AMRadio] ARRL has filed its bandwidth proposal with FCC

2005-11-16 Thread Schichler, Don
Having said that (too much already?) SOME of those ESSB
signals take up WAY less bandwidth than the 
turn-on-the-processor-crank-it-up-and-use-my-leeenyear
slopbuckets that occupy 10 or 20 Khz
73 de Dan WAØJRD ..


How true!  
Most of the ones I've heard sound really good and they aren't splattering all 
over the band.

73, Don W2DAS


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Re: [AMRadio] ARRL has filed its bandwidth proposal with FCC

2005-11-16 Thread bcarling
Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Don.

I still have you and Roger Frith, N4IBF to thank for reviving my 
interest in AM back about 20 years ago in Nashville!

Let us all know if we need to write to the goon squads about 
their latest foray into foolishness.

On 16 Nov 2005 at 2:46, Donald Chester wrote:

 
 http://www.arrl.org/announce/regulatory/bandwidth/Bandwidth-Minute-64-Petition-FINAL.pdf
 
 
 I printed all 25 pages of the petition so I can sit down comfortably and 
 digest it all.
 
 I don't think the FCC accepts comments to a petition until it has been 
 assigned a RM- number.  Also, not sure if they have a reply-comment period 
 for a petition that has not officially become a NPRM.  Maybe someone could 
 clarify this.
 
 No doubt some of the anti-AM crowd will call for getting rid of the 9 kHz 
 exception for AM, and that's what bothers me most about this thing - AM 
 would be permitted only by an exception containted in a footnote, which 
 could be very easily deleted.
 
 Also, there is no guarantee that the FCC's NPRM would even resemble the 
 original petition.  They could come out with something pretty much identical 
 to Docket 20777, which would have eliminated AM altogether, back in the 
 70's.
 
 Also, I'm not sure about the occupied bandwidth vs necessary bandwidth 
 issue, as far as how bandwidth would be defined.
 
 The last time I checked, Canada still had a maximum bandwidth limit of 6 kHz 
 for AM, but I never have heard of a Canadian ham being cited for running too 
 much bandwidth while running a normal AM signal. I don't know how picky the 
 FCC would be about this.  Of course, a strict 3.5 kHz limit would shut down 
 a lot of slopbuckets as well.
 
 Don, k4kyv
 
 
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[AMRadio] ARRL has filed its bandwidth proposal with FCC

2005-11-15 Thread Donald Chester


http://www.arrl.org/announce/regulatory/bandwidth/Bandwidth-Minute-64-Petition-FINAL.pdf


I printed all 25 pages of the petition so I can sit down comfortably and 
digest it all.


I don't think the FCC accepts comments to a petition until it has been 
assigned a RM- number.  Also, not sure if they have a reply-comment period 
for a petition that has not officially become a NPRM.  Maybe someone could 
clarify this.


No doubt some of the anti-AM crowd will call for getting rid of the 9 kHz 
exception for AM, and that's what bothers me most about this thing - AM 
would be permitted only by an exception containted in a footnote, which 
could be very easily deleted.


Also, there is no guarantee that the FCC's NPRM would even resemble the 
original petition.  They could come out with something pretty much identical 
to Docket 20777, which would have eliminated AM altogether, back in the 
70's.


Also, I'm not sure about the occupied bandwidth vs necessary bandwidth 
issue, as far as how bandwidth would be defined.


The last time I checked, Canada still had a maximum bandwidth limit of 6 kHz 
for AM, but I never have heard of a Canadian ham being cited for running too 
much bandwidth while running a normal AM signal. I don't know how picky the 
FCC would be about this.  Of course, a strict 3.5 kHz limit would shut down 
a lot of slopbuckets as well.


Don, k4kyv