Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
David: I am not offended. The fact is, I ship like this all over the world and never a problem for the last 10 years. By the way, the transformer weighs less than the 40 pounds. Two boxes, two layers of foam and bolted down. Pure and simple, total neglect on FedEx's part. Gary...WZ1M - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Gary, did not mean to be offensive nor cynical. Packing a heavy item in a cardboard box is risky unless you are using stiff cardboard and not that insulation material. Just as an example, try dropping a brick on a sheet of styrofoam and you will certainly leave a dent. My son is a contractor and uses this stuff all the time as exterior insulation material. He tells me that one would be better off using stiff cardboard that is folded to a thickness of 1 inch or more. Thanks Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Yes, I call it packing. This was not the first time I had sent heavy iron in this fashion. All over the world, no damage. Gary...WZ1M - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Very fine, Gary. I was only talking in generalities, of course. Everyone has the right to air his/her opinions. If you run another ad in the Collins Journal, please let me know as we did before. I am in the process of putting together the July/August issue. It will be one of the best. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron David: I am not offended. The fact is, I ship like this all over the world and never a problem for the last 10 years. By the way, the transformer weighs less than the 40 pounds. Two boxes, two layers of foam and bolted down. Pure and simple, total neglect on FedEx's part. Gary...WZ1M - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Gary, did not mean to be offensive nor cynical. Packing a heavy item in a cardboard box is risky unless you are using stiff cardboard and not that insulation material. Just as an example, try dropping a brick on a sheet of styrofoam and you will certainly leave a dent. My son is a contractor and uses this stuff all the time as exterior insulation material. He tells me that one would be better off using stiff cardboard that is folded to a thickness of 1 inch or more. Thanks Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Yes, I call it packing. This was not the first time I had sent heavy iron in this fashion. All over the world, no damage. Gary...WZ1M - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Gary, I apologize for drawing any bad press your way over this. My intention was to show that even when things are packed well, as evidenced by the blueboard foam in the photos cut to fit the iron, double layers of white foam sheeting, and double boxing, it can still get trashed by some idiot. Despite what the pictures clearly show or you and I know firsthand, it doesn't surprise me that a self-appointed expert would know better and dispute the obvious. Everyone I've talked with who has done business with you has been satisfied with the result. Of the one or two issues I've heard where something wasn't just so, you made it right immediately and folks were happy. I've never had any item damaged enough in shipping to say so, and I've received plenty of packages - heavy and otherwise - packed less competently than the mod iron. These include a 100 lb RCA receiver shipped from Colorado, equally heavy Hallicrafters R-649A shipped from Chicago, and 75kg of WWII aircraft radio gear shipped from Australia loosely wrapped in bubble wrap and newspaper. None of it came through damaged, muchless like this. You can destroy any packaging material and any package if you beat on it hard enough. I look forward to getting this matter sorted out with FedEx and returning the transformer to its intended use. You do excellent work, I'm glad you offer this service to the radio community. ~ Todd On 8/28/07, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I call it packing. This was not the first time I had sent heavy iron in this fashion. All over the world, no damage. Gary...WZ1M __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Right you are Brett. Don't ever ride inside a trailer going down some interstate. Just follow one of these tractor/trailers on the PA Turnpike, etc. and you get the idea. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Brett gazdzinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service' amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron FedEx is the best of the bunch around here. That packing looks very poor for something heavy. The heavier a package gets, the more it gets slammed around as its hard to deal with. Brett N2DTS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Knepper Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:30 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Make that I have NO sympathy for those out there who moan about FedX or UPS, etc. Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Packing is everything. I have sympathy for those out there who moan about FedX or UPS. Let's move on. Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron I sure hope Gary is able to pop the people who did this. Fedex is getting almost as bad as UPS in package handling. Hopefully they will pay for damages better. I sent a transformer to Gary over a year ago. It was a small thing with 1150 V. CT. @ 150 ma. Probably weighted about 5 lbs. It came back to me packed like it weighed 25 lbs. As a side, the transformer looked better than new. It performs as specified and I definitely recommend his work. Jim/W5JO Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
On 8/28/07, David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... You obviously haven't paid attention or even been following this, have you Dave? Why doesn't this surprise me? Had you done so, or actually *READ* the descriptions instead of just looking at the trashed packing materials, you'd know better. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
I disagree. The package was only 40 pounds and the packing looked more than adequate. It was double boxed with solid foam between the two boxes and between the transformer and the inner box. It was bolted to a sturdy piece of wood that would allow for no movement inside the box, which was shattered from the abuse. The way this package was treated it would have been damaged if it had been in a solid wooden box. I've done business with Gary and his packing is excellent. I received a transformer back from him a few months ago that weighed in the 20 pound range and it was packed the same as this one and made it without a scratch. The shipper is at fault here, no doubt about it. Rick/K5IAR You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Packing is everything. I have sympathy for those out there who moan about FedX or UPS. Let's move on. Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Jim Wilhite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron I sure hope Gary is able to pop the people who did this. Fedex is getting almost as bad as UPS in package handling. Hopefully they will pay for damages better. I sent a transformer to Gary over a year ago. It was a small thing with 1150 V. CT. @ 150 ma. Probably weighted about 5 lbs. It came back to me packed like it weighed 25 lbs. As a side, the transformer looked better than new. It performs as specified and I definitely recommend his work. Jim/W5JO Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
FedEx is the best of the bunch around here. That packing looks very poor for something heavy. The heavier a package gets, the more it gets slammed around as its hard to deal with. Brett N2DTS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Knepper Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:30 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
David Knepper wrote: Make that I have NO sympathy for those out there who moan about FedX or UPS, etc. You gotta admit... there are -some- UPS apes that could screw up a ball bearing... __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
On 8/28/07, Rick Brashear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. The package was only 40 pounds and the packing looked more than adequate. It was double boxed with solid foam between the two boxes and between the transformer and the inner box. It was bolted to a sturdy piece of wood that would allow for no movement inside the box, which was shattered from the abuse. The way this package was treated it would have been damaged if it had been in a solid wooden box. I've done business with Gary and his packing is excellent. I received a transformer back from him a few months ago that weighed in the 20 pound range and it was packed the same as this one and made it without a scratch. The shipper is at fault here, no doubt about it. Thanks, Rick. Having received transformers from Gary, you speak from a position of experience and knowledge, rather than from lack of. For the late-arrivals, I'll summarize: All the packing in the world won't protect your package from bad handling. Not average, typical, day-to-day handling. BAD handling. I've heard people piss and moan for years about UPS being awful. I've never had anything trashed by them, not even remotely close to this. That doesn't mean others haven't. Good packaging will *usually* protect your precious cargo, but not always. Even if 99% of the handlers are good workers who take pride in there work, you still have the one percenters who don't. Ship enough things, you will eventually find one of them. And as I mentioned in my previous post (pay attention this time, Dr Dave), the packaging looks bad because it is TRASHED, pulverized, etc. If you think the packing is the issue, maybe someone can explain why the wooden base it was bolted to is in 7-8 pieces? Sorta shoots that 'poor packing' statement to hell, eh? 3/4 solid wood, destroyed. From a bumpy ride for a 40 lb. parcel in a packed trailer down the interstate? Yeah, right. We're not talking one point of impact here, a dent in an otherwise-clean box, or such. The entire package was trashed. It looked more like a ball than a box. The ends were damaged through two layers of cardboard, two layers of foam board. Holes worn through where it was dragged or slid along the floor. The sides weren't harmed beyond the studs being bent. Yet the same packaging was used throughout. Seems the only problem here is that I have no idea what I'm talking about, despite having the transformer and packaging in my possession. Good to know we have an expert or two available, though. Anyhow, I don't regret sharing my misfortune with the group. If it saves a piece of iron or old radio because someone picks it up instead of having it shipped, it's a good thing. You can count on your excellent packing skills and sometimes we have no choice. But the law of averages will catch up with you, eventually. If you can pick it up, do so. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
On 8/28/07, David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Careful Dave... That's getting close to flaming a member of our group without any real evidence. I've had my share of items destroyed by UPS in particular. There is absolutely no need for this sort of handling. I have actually witnessed UPS terminal workers getting so pissed that a box was so heavy, they will see how far they can toss it. I figure that in this day in time, Fed-Ex is likely learning some bad habits from UPS. Use DHL guys. Right now it's the only way to ship this stuff. Brian / wa5am PS: And by the way, I would ask that no one uses a signature line on this list that suggests donations, etc. An occasional pitch is okay, but not with every email sent to this list. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Rick, no one ships a heavy transfomer in a cardboard box with that white strofoam. I rest my case. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Rick Brashear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service' amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron I disagree. The package was only 40 pounds and the packing looked more than adequate. It was double boxed with solid foam between the two boxes and between the transformer and the inner box. It was bolted to a sturdy piece of wood that would allow for no movement inside the box, which was shattered from the abuse. The way this package was treated it would have been damaged if it had been in a solid wooden box. I've done business with Gary and his packing is excellent. I received a transformer back from him a few months ago that weighed in the 20 pound range and it was packed the same as this one and made it without a scratch. The shipper is at fault here, no doubt about it. Rick/K5IAR You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Todd, this is Dr. Dave speaking. Read carefully - a heavy transfomer needs to be packed in a wooden crate. Notice the lack of verbage. Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron On 8/28/07, Rick Brashear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. The package was only 40 pounds and the packing looked more than adequate. It was double boxed with solid foam between the two boxes and between the transformer and the inner box. It was bolted to a sturdy piece of wood that would allow for no movement inside the box, which was shattered from the abuse. The way this package was treated it would have been damaged if it had been in a solid wooden box. I've done business with Gary and his packing is excellent. I received a transformer back from him a few months ago that weighed in the 20 pound range and it was packed the same as this one and made it without a scratch. The shipper is at fault here, no doubt about it. Thanks, Rick. Having received transformers from Gary, you speak from a position of experience and knowledge, rather than from lack of. For the late-arrivals, I'll summarize: All the packing in the world won't protect your package from bad handling. Not average, typical, day-to-day handling. BAD handling. I've heard people piss and moan for years about UPS being awful. I've never had anything trashed by them, not even remotely close to this. That doesn't mean others haven't. Good packaging will *usually* protect your precious cargo, but not always. Even if 99% of the handlers are good workers who take pride in there work, you still have the one percenters who don't. Ship enough things, you will eventually find one of them. And as I mentioned in my previous post (pay attention this time, Dr Dave), the packaging looks bad because it is TRASHED, pulverized, etc. If you think the packing is the issue, maybe someone can explain why the wooden base it was bolted to is in 7-8 pieces? Sorta shoots that 'poor packing' statement to hell, eh? 3/4 solid wood, destroyed. From a bumpy ride for a 40 lb. parcel in a packed trailer down the interstate? Yeah, right. We're not talking one point of impact here, a dent in an otherwise-clean box, or such. The entire package was trashed. It looked more like a ball than a box. The ends were damaged through two layers of cardboard, two layers of foam board. Holes worn through where it was dragged or slid along the floor. The sides weren't harmed beyond the studs being bent. Yet the same packaging was used throughout. Seems the only problem here is that I have no idea what I'm talking about, despite having the transformer and packaging in my possession. Good to know we have an expert or two available, though. Anyhow, I don't regret sharing my misfortune with the group. If it saves a piece of iron or old radio because someone picks it up instead of having it shipped, it's a good thing. You can count on your excellent packing skills and sometimes we have no choice. But the law of averages will catch up with you, eventually. If you can pick it up, do so. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
This discussion with UPS or whatever is worthy of the trash box. It seems that every so often, the same folks get on their hobby horse and start a thread about shipping. I often wonder how Yaesu, Kenwood, MFJ, etc. can send their products to their happy owners without damage. It's all in the packing. When Collins Radio Company shipped their 516F-2 power supply in their cabinet, they used block of wood wedged inside the cabinet. I advise anyone shipping a 516F-2 to use the same technique or else ship separately. Incidentally, these blocks of plywood were discussed in an early issue of the Collins Journal. Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron David Knepper wrote: Make that I have NO sympathy for those out there who moan about FedX or UPS, etc. You gotta admit... there are -some- UPS apes that could screw up a ball bearing... __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Todd, sorry if you cannot take a little constructive criticism. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron On 8/28/07, David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... You obviously haven't paid attention or even been following this, have you Dave? Why doesn't this surprise me? Had you done so, or actually *READ* the descriptions instead of just looking at the trashed packing materials, you'd know better. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
I do, ALL the time, with no trouble. Gary - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Rick, no one ships a heavy transfomer in a cardboard box with that white strofoam. I rest my case. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Rick Brashear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service' amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron I disagree. The package was only 40 pounds and the packing looked more than adequate. It was double boxed with solid foam between the two boxes and between the transformer and the inner box. It was bolted to a sturdy piece of wood that would allow for no movement inside the box, which was shattered from the abuse. The way this package was treated it would have been damaged if it had been in a solid wooden box. I've done business with Gary and his packing is excellent. I received a transformer back from him a few months ago that weighed in the 20 pound range and it was packed the same as this one and made it without a scratch. The shipper is at fault here, no doubt about it. Rick/K5IAR You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Yes, I call it packing. This was not the first time I had sent heavy iron in this fashion. All over the world, no damage. Gary...WZ1M - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron
Gary, did not mean to be offensive nor cynical. Packing a heavy item in a cardboard box is risky unless you are using stiff cardboard and not that insulation material. Just as an example, try dropping a brick on a sheet of styrofoam and you will certainly leave a dent. My son is a contractor and uses this stuff all the time as exterior insulation material. He tells me that one would be better off using stiff cardboard that is folded to a thickness of 1 inch or more. Thanks Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Yes, I call it packing. This was not the first time I had sent heavy iron in this fashion. All over the world, no damage. Gary...WZ1M - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron You call that packing! No wonder it got damaged with all that inertia inside the box. Shame on you for accusing the carrier. It should have gone inside a wooden crate. Next time, if there is a next time ... Dave, W3ST - Original Message - From: Todd, KA1KAQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Photos of Damaged Mod Iron Here's the link for the thread on AMfone with the transformer pics posted. I know some of them make it look like a cereal box was used, but it really was good, thick, double cardboard boxing. They just totally destroyed it to the point it looks like paper. You can actually see the double thickness in some places with the inside shot. http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php/topic,11848.msg86399.html#msg86399 __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
