Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
Is this in the May issue? If so, I haven't received mine, yet. Once I read the article, I may write a letter of disagreement with such a premise, but I have to see the article, first. Kim Elmore, N5OP At 11:32 PM 4/20/2008, you wrote: The "Getting On The Air" column by W1ZR. Vacuum tube based equipment is far too dangerous to consider for a first rig, and building your own equipment apparently isn't even a consideration any longer. If it uses tubes, GASP! High Voltage! We can't have any of that! Also, avoid gear older than 8 years, because you might not be able to get it repaired. I hang my head in shame over what has happened to this once great hobby where people were somewhat technically competent. Those that lacked technical skills at least learned a bit of theory to at least have a basic understanding of the operation of their equipment. At 44 years old, I'm a relative youngster in ham radio. I build and restore vacuum tube equipment. I also play the guitar. The electric guitar fraternity seems to embrace homebrewing far more than the amateur community does today. Most good guitar amp designs are still vacuum tube based, including modern designs. People regularly modify their amps or build clone designs. Yes, high voltage. You learn the proper precautions. Seems rather funny that a musician might be more apt to work with electronics than a ham radio operator. Modern electronics is too complicated, tubes are too dangerous - it's no wonder that electronics isn't even taught any longer throughout most of the school system. I'm really beginning to question why I continue to support the ARRL. At first when I saw the cover of this issue, I had thought there would be all these neat projects from the Homebrewer's Challenge. Needless to say, I was disappointed. I used to treasure QST. While I still save all my issues, I'm beginning to wonder why. It certainly isn't the technical journal it once was. 73, Joe, N6DGY Pleasant Grove, UT __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
From: "Brett Gazdzinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 50 years ago, I am sure the old timers complained that the new apliance operators dont even make their own capacitors or resistors anymore, or blow glass for tubes That's about when I first heard the term "plug-in appliance operator". More and more hams were buying Rangers, Valiants, DX-100's (later Apache's), Globe Kings, etc, instead of building homebrew rigs up from scratch. Components were plentiful and readily available then, either WW2 surplus or brand new from Allied, Burstein-Applebee, LaFayette and Radio Shack, so the "parts procurement" problem was not an issue. Technical information and detailed project descriptions were abundant in the Handbooks and amateur radio magazines of that era. As SSB became more widely accepted, that accelerated the trend towards appliance operating, since few hams had the capability or desire to build something that complex from scratch and try getting it to work, although there were quite a few homebrew SSB rigs on the air. The commercial stuff, mostly Collins and Central Electronics, was too expensive for many amateurs, and "sideband for the masses" (the cheap, flimsy, low-quality transceivers like the Heathkit Hotwater rigs, Swans, Galaxies and others) had not appeared on the market yet. Nevertheless, the growing trend towards appliance operation was one of the motivators for the incentive licensing proposal, which first appeared in a QST editorial sometime in 1963. In hindsight, incentive licensing was a dismal failure in terms of its stated purpose, since if anything, it accelerated the trend towards appliance operation, and looking at the bands to-day... well, enough said. Incentive licensing almost turned out to be the long hoped-for death blow to AM. After the changes went into effect on 22 November, 1968, almost overnight AM and most homebrew rigs all but disappeared from the bands. One of the reasons was that Generals were restricted to narrow subbands that soon took on the name "electronic ghetto", and many went to SSB because they could no longer hack it with 100-watt class rigs on AM. It has been theorised that this was exactly one of the intentions of incentive licensing from the outset, since powers that be weren't happy with the pace at which amateurs were changing over from AM to SSB. I do agree you are not allowed to take any risks with anything anymore. Except with the money we invest for retirement. More and more companies are phasing out their guaranteed pension entitlement plans and replacing them with risky 401K's that may actually lose money. Your retirement security may be heavily impacted by current market conditions on the date of your retirement. Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
I suspect the charge card is alive and well with amateurs too. Charge it today; worry about paying for it tomorrow. HT's are also easy to carry on the belt. I'm not sure I would want to hang my IC-7000 + battery supply on my belt just to bring it to a meeting. Pete, wa2cwa http://www.manualman.com On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:50:19 -0700 "Bob Macklin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I suspect that most of today's entry level hams can't afford much > more than > a 2M FM transceiver. I know when I was younger (even in my 40's) I > could not > afford the HF transceivers (iCom, Kenwood, Yaesu) that are available > today. > I did build some Heath CW/AM rigs but I could not even afford the > Heath SSB > rigs before 1980. > > So I did a lot of surplus conversion and homebrewing. > > I don't see that in today's people. What I do see at the meetings I > have > attended is everyone seems to has a VHF FM HT! > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa, __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
I suspect that most of today's entry level hams can't afford much more than a 2M FM transceiver. I know when I was younger (even in my 40's) I could not afford the HF transceivers (iCom, Kenwood, Yaesu) that are available today. I did build some Heath CW/AM rigs but I could not even afford the Heath SSB rigs before 1980. So I did a lot of surplus conversion and homebrewing. I don't see that in today's people. What I do see at the meetings I have attended is everyone seems to has a VHF FM HT! Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, "Real Radios Glow in the Dark" - Original Message - From: "Todd, KA1KAQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Jim Tonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I point out that low volts and LOTS of AMPS can be bad news > > just as can high voltage. Put your metal wrist watch band across the > > output of a 48 volt power supply and kiss your hand goodbye. (Unless the > > supply is severely current-limited) > > The part that amazes me is, according to the author's logic or > assertion by association, more - many more of us should be dead by the > sounds of it. > > When we didn't have all of the new plastic plug-n-play, then > throw-away gear years ago, we bought older gear routinely. We fixed it > ourselves, or learned on it while trying. > > More of us were young then, probably younger than today's average new > ham. There was nothing wrong with it then, in fact we were encouraged > to do so. > > Now, I realize in today's 'death of common sense', politically-correct > world of the warm-fuzzies that much less is expected of people > intellectually. But does the author of the original remark really > believe everyone is that stupid, or is he basing it on his own [lack > of] personal knowledge? > > Seems like his preference is to scare folks away from it rather than > teaching them to respect its potential. The result further down the > road when more newbs become interested in old tube gear? A serious > lack of knowledge and respect for potentially lethal voltages, having > been coaxed into a false sense of security by the plug-n-play > mentality. > > IMO - Better to do it 'right', from the start. The transition to ss > from tube technology would be much easier, and safer. > > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Jim Tonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I point out that low volts and LOTS of AMPS can be bad news > just as can high voltage. Put your metal wrist watch band across the > output of a 48 volt power supply and kiss your hand goodbye. (Unless the > supply is severely current-limited) The part that amazes me is, according to the author's logic or assertion by association, more - many more of us should be dead by the sounds of it. When we didn't have all of the new plastic plug-n-play, then throw-away gear years ago, we bought older gear routinely. We fixed it ourselves, or learned on it while trying. More of us were young then, probably younger than today's average new ham. There was nothing wrong with it then, in fact we were encouraged to do so. Now, I realize in today's 'death of common sense', politically-correct world of the warm-fuzzies that much less is expected of people intellectually. But does the author of the original remark really believe everyone is that stupid, or is he basing it on his own [lack of] personal knowledge? Seems like his preference is to scare folks away from it rather than teaching them to respect its potential. The result further down the road when more newbs become interested in old tube gear? A serious lack of knowledge and respect for potentially lethal voltages, having been coaxed into a false sense of security by the plug-n-play mentality. IMO - Better to do it 'right', from the start. The transition to ss from tube technology would be much easier, and safer. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
Hi Mark, Well spoken... I once had to replace the MRF-422(?) RF power output transistors in my FT-980 here...for what I paid for these wonderful, low-voltage, SAFE solidstate devices, I could have purchased a LOT of 12BY7's & 6146's...! Some of these god-sent transistors cost more --- and are a LOT more rare --- than tubes to-day, especially the sand-derived active devices from earlier no-tube gear (have you priced direct-replacement germanium power transistors lately, as were employed in the multi-vibrator power supplies of 60's/70's mobile QRO equipment...?!). ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ - Original Message - From: "Mark K3MSB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST > "My first recommendation would be to only consider older vacuum tube > or hybrid gear (solid state receiver, tubes in part of the > transmitter) if you have experience working with vacuum tube > transmitters. It is too easy to destroy hard to get transmitting > tubes while you learn". > > One of the most common PA line ups of hybrid transmitters is a 12BY7A > driver and a pair of 6146 finals. Without searching hard, you can get > all 3 NOS at a fester for $12; less if you put some effort into it. > > 73 Mark K3MSB > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
"My first recommendation would be to only consider older vacuum tube or hybrid gear (solid state receiver, tubes in part of the transmitter) if you have experience working with vacuum tube transmitters. It is too easy to destroy hard to get transmitting tubes while you learn". One of the most common PA line ups of hybrid transmitters is a 12BY7A driver and a pair of 6146 finals. Without searching hard, you can get all 3 NOS at a fester for $12; less if you put some effort into it. 73 Mark K3MSB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
As Brett (and others) indicated: I do agree you are not allowed to take any risks with anything anymore. I point out that low volts and LOTS of AMPS can be bad news just as can high voltage. Put your metal wrist watch band across the output of a 48 volt power supply and kiss your hand goodbye. (Unless the supply is severely current-limited) - Jim WB6BLD __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
I am 49, and have been a ham since high school, and my entire station is home brew, and there are lots of people building qrp rigs, and you have the Elecraft guys, and people making things with what they can get. 50 years ago, I am sure the old timers complained that the new apliance operators dont even make their own capacitors or resistors anymore, or blow glass for tubes I do agree you are not allowed to take any risks with anything anymore. Brett N2DTS __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
On 4/21/08, Bob Bruno - K2KI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Joe, and to all the AMRadio members, > > I agree. Amateur Radio has been hit too many time with the "Dummy-Down > Stick" or "Nerf Bat". > > I got my novice ticket on May 14, 1984. At 49 years old, I too am a > newcomer to this hobby. My very first rig was a Viking II. And the rcvr > was an HQ-129 with a 110V Dow-Key. Lotsa voltages there that can kill You mean it wasn't that two meter Gonset you kept in your Chevy Nova so you could listen to the "135" machine? :) __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
Rumor is they want to return him but no one will let them land. Jim/W5JO 73 used to be decent, until Wayne Green was captured by aliens. Ed, VA3ES __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
You subscribe separately. No connection with ARRL membership. QEX is open to any one who wants to pay for a sub. Non-ARRL members: $36.00 per year. (ARRL members, $24.00/yr.) Ed. VA3ES -- Dave Rothermel wrote: How can I get QEX without QST? __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
How can I get QEX without QST? Ed Sieb wrote: Lookit QST is crap, and has been so for years. All the decent technical stuff was moved to QEX years ago. I subscribe to QEX, and enjoy it immensely. I haven't read a QST in years. It's fluff and only good for beginners and people who don't know any better. CQ is marginally better. I haven't seen a decent construction article in CQ in 25 years or more. CQ used to publish Communications Quarterly, the competition to QEX, until QEX bought out ComQuart. Electric Radio and QEX are the only two amateur magazines I subscribe to; the rest are virtually worthless. 73 used to be decent, until Wayne Green was captured by aliens. And that is the state of Amateur Radio publishing today. Pathetic. Ed, VA3ES __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
While this subject is interesting, and I agree with most of what is being said, let's not forget that there are "appliance operators" on AM, as well. I've run into them, and so have you. The most extreme example I can remember was a California station that had big, big bucks equipment, but had to have another (paid) ham come over to change frequency and tune-up. I think it would be great if some of the technical questions that are asked on this reflector got as much response as the political topics. 73, Barrie, W7ALW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
Lookit QST is crap, and has been so for years. All the decent technical stuff was moved to QEX years ago. I subscribe to QEX, and enjoy it immensely. I haven't read a QST in years. It's fluff and only good for beginners and people who don't know any better. CQ is marginally better. I haven't seen a decent construction article in CQ in 25 years or more. CQ used to publish Communications Quarterly, the competition to QEX, until QEX bought out ComQuart. Electric Radio and QEX are the only two amateur magazines I subscribe to; the rest are virtually worthless. 73 used to be decent, until Wayne Green was captured by aliens. And that is the state of Amateur Radio publishing today. Pathetic. Ed, VA3ES __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
Lets face it there is a big group of people that are "appliance" operators now I do love the new equipment but I also love the old stuff IE tubes. But there is just so many uninformed people out there now making accusations and having one sided beliefs that it just throws some over the edge. And they are the ones that are bad for the hobby. IE a rather large following at the ARRL with this whole AM bandwidth garbage they spew. I left the so called organization a few years ago when they were all over the guys operating ESSB or even Mid FI side band (within 3K). Some were pissy because you liked to run a full bandwidth at 3K Eqing up some freq under 200 hz. I recently joined up this year and now regret doing so after reading the garbage some are muttering about AM operations and owning old gear. Its just not who I want representing me as a radio amateur. And the reviews of products WOW I could go on for pages about that. Lets just say when was the last time you saw them say this is not a good product in our testing? Its all the dollar and politics enough said. So to those of us who play with tube radios, broadcast transmitters and the new stuff kudos to you keep the old stuff running thats for sure. Just restored a Hammarlund HQ 129X that I sold to a gentleman in the midwest and will continue to operate the AM mode of emission with Tube Type rigs and Solid state type rigs. And lastly I will not be renewing my ARRL "subscription" (notice not membership lol). D. Chester wrote: From: Joseph Bento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The "Getting On The Air" column by W1ZR. Vacuum tube based equipment is far too dangerous to consider for a first rig, and building your own equipment apparently isn't even a consideration any longer. My sentiments exactly. Modern electronics is too complicated, tubes are too dangerous - it's no wonder that electronics isn't even taught any longer throughout most of the school system. Plus, they would probably classify the soldering guns in the lab as prohibited weapons under the "zero-tolerance" policy. I'm really beginning to question why I continue to support the ARRL. At first when I saw the cover of this issue, I had thought there would be all these neat projects from the Homebrewer's Challenge. Needless to say, I was disappointed. I used to treasure QST. While I still save all my issues, I'm beginning to wonder why. It certainly isn't the technical journal it once was. Good, in-depth technical articles were taken out of QST years ago and put into separate publication called QEX, that even full members must pay extra for. In QST, real technical articles have been replaced with a lot of "getting started in radio" stuff that was once assumed one would already know by the time one obtained an entry-level licence, plus all the nauseating "human interest" drivel. Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
From: Joseph Bento <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The "Getting On The Air" column by W1ZR. Vacuum tube based equipment is far too dangerous to consider for a first rig, and building your own equipment apparently isn't even a consideration any longer. My sentiments exactly. Modern electronics is too complicated, tubes are too dangerous - it's no wonder that electronics isn't even taught any longer throughout most of the school system. Plus, they would probably classify the soldering guns in the lab as prohibited weapons under the "zero-tolerance" policy. I'm really beginning to question why I continue to support the ARRL. At first when I saw the cover of this issue, I had thought there would be all these neat projects from the Homebrewer's Challenge. Needless to say, I was disappointed. I used to treasure QST. While I still save all my issues, I'm beginning to wonder why. It certainly isn't the technical journal it once was. Good, in-depth technical articles were taken out of QST years ago and put into separate publication called QEX, that even full members must pay extra for. In QST, real technical articles have been replaced with a lot of "getting started in radio" stuff that was once assumed one would already know by the time one obtained an entry-level licence, plus all the nauseating "human interest" drivel. Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
I have three non-hollow state radios. They work BUT are rather boring after a very few minutes. The tube type equipment, on the other hand, is always interesting to fire up and get on the air with. I pity the EXPERTS that just don't know any better and insist on showing it at every oppertunity. Oh well, that's their loss. Bob AB8OP Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
Hi Joe, I echo those sentiments here... QST ceased to be desirable (never-mind "collectable"!) when the geniuses in Connecticut decided to "gut" the magazine by publishing THE NATIONAL CONTEST JOURNAL, and QEX, right alongside it. What'd that do to QST...? It became a mere shadow of its former, great self, IMHO. Just what exactly is it anymore, anyway...? Little more than a touchy-feely-warm-and-fuzzy tome, that each month shows some new 8 year old seated in front of a synthesized transceiver, and page after page of ads. I get more out of ONE SINGLE "small-format" QST, than I do out of a whole half year's worth of them to-day... QST, R.I.P.! ~73~ Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ ** - Original Message - From: "Joseph Bento" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:32 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST > The "Getting On The Air" column by W1ZR. Vacuum tube based equipment > is far too dangerous to consider for a first rig, and building your > own equipment apparently isn't even a consideration any longer. If it > uses tubes, GASP! High Voltage! We can't have any of that! Also, > avoid gear older than 8 years, because you might not be able to get it > repaired. I hang my head in shame over what has happened to this once > great hobby where people were somewhat technically competent. Those > that lacked technical skills at least learned a bit of theory to at > least have a basic understanding of the operation of their equipment. > > At 44 years old, I'm a relative youngster in ham radio. I build and > restore vacuum tube equipment. I also play the guitar. The electric > guitar fraternity seems to embrace homebrewing far more than the > amateur community does today. Most good guitar amp designs are still > vacuum tube based, including modern designs. People regularly modify > their amps or build clone designs. Yes, high voltage. You learn the > proper precautions. Seems rather funny that a musician might be more > apt to work with electronics than a ham radio operator. > > Modern electronics is too complicated, tubes are too dangerous - it's > no wonder that electronics isn't even taught any longer throughout > most of the school system. > > I'm really beginning to question why I continue to support the ARRL. > At first when I saw the cover of this issue, I had thought there would > be all these neat projects from the Homebrewer's Challenge. Needless > to say, I was disappointed. I used to treasure QST. While I still > save all my issues, I'm beginning to wonder why. It certainly isn't > the technical journal it once was. > > 73, > Joe, N6DGY > Pleasant Grove, UT > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html > Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
Hi Bob, K2KI & Company, Yeah, things sure have become disappointing. Too many hams have become Plug & Play. I've seldom owned new rigs. At the present time, my newest radio is 25 years old (an ICOM IC-740). It was a non-runner, that was easy to get going, and has a fantastic receiver. My favorite rigs (due to the fact that my favorite casual radio operating mode is AM), are over 50 years old. One of them (my Viking II), was a non-runner, that I bought for $75 last November. It was a pain at times (due to Hammy Hambone mods that were made to a few things) to get it going, but it has been on the air now for almost 2 months. It sounds great. AND, it sure was a good feeling to take a radio that nobody wanted (the thing hadn't been used in how many years - I had to spend over 20 minutes just vacuuming out the dust when I brought it home), and put it back on the air (the same thoughts hold true for my IC-740). I'm am both baffled and saddened that so many (although not all) newbs have been indictrinated with this black box, plug & play mentality. It's too complicated to load up a tube or hybrid rig - huh?! When I was a Novice and young General in the late 70s & through the 80s, it was pretty much a given that unless you had the cash, you'd get something with tubes for you first rig. At W9YT (the Univ. of Wisconsin Ham Club, station), when I graduated in 1987, we still used a TS-830S as the main HF station. We had a homebrew KW with 3-500Zs in it. As was mentioned in a thread that's similar to this, that's in progress on QRZ.com, loading upan amp is like loading up a tube rig (BTW, the majority of responentson that thread are just as digusted by that article as we are). There's something wrong, when a new Extra asks, "how do I make a dipole?" That was a question on my Novice test (on Xmas Eve Day) in 1977! Don't laugh, hams have already been asked this question. I briefly knew a ham a year and a half ago,(via a Yahoo ham group I'm no longer active in - the group owner's a bit of a "my opinions are the onloy ones that count" person), who, whenever somebody mentioned some cool portable antenna they'd built, would always ask, "gee, where can I buy one?" It was finally pointedout to the man, that wile plug & play is OK, building you own antenna is even better. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air - May 2008 QST
Hi Joe, and to all the AMRadio members, I agree. Amateur Radio has been hit too many time with the "Dummy-Down Stick" or "Nerf Bat". I got my novice ticket on May 14, 1984. At 49 years old, I too am a newcomer to this hobby. My very first rig was a Viking II. And the rcvr was an HQ-129 with a 110V Dow-Key. Lotsa voltages there that can kill ya. Hell, you could die from a heart attack from carrying one from the car to the shack! But... I learned about high voltages. I learned Ohms Law and understood it. I had an elmer who instilled homebrewing into me and made me appreciate what we were doing! He taught me respect and reverence for these things. I love the smell of tubes! Today, Amateur Radio has become an appliance hobby. You goes to the store, you pays your money and you walks out of said store with an "Appliance" Radio that you plugs into your 12 VDC "Appliance" Power Supply and "Appliance" Antenna which you just took out of the box all assembled and tuned. Then you makes your very first contact with another "Appliance" operator who just did the same thing. No tuning, WTF is an SWR? And, what do I do if I have one? (seriously, I heard a young GENERAL say that to me.) "Load and Plate? Whuts dat?" "B+? Is that a new Vitamin Water?" "You actually use that big heavy monstrosity? Why?" "You know THE CW?" All of these things I have heard from the mouths of the new Amateur Radio Operator! Now don't get me wrong, I am happy when I hear of another person joining the ranks of Amateur Radio. I am pained however when I learn that the same person passed his test by sheer memorization and no learning! No love and respect of electricity and its fundamentals. NO FREAKIN' CLUE!!! I am proud of my daughter Sarah who presently hold her Tech. She was sad when they did away with the code. She wants her General. She loves boatanchors. In fact, her favorite thing in the shack is the National NC-125! And she is coming with me to Near-Fest and is looking forward to meeting the AM crew (especially TimTron) Proud I am!!! And while I am ranting... What the hell is up with Radio Shack? I remember I could walk in there and buy a 100uf 450VDC Electrolytic right off the rack and maybe a 6AU6 and a 12BY7. Plus, the guy working there knew what they were and what they were usually used for! Plus, the ENTIRE WALL WAS COVERED WITH ELECTRONIC PARTS. Now they are tucked away in drawers with the entire area measuring 3'x3'x3' and mostly LED's and maybe a few fuses! SAD!!! And, you don't want to start me on the whole CW thing. I know that would stir up some serious Sh... err Stuff... For crying out loud people, Learn about what makes our hobby special. Learn to use your brain!!! Seek out the old timer, He can open the door to great aspects of the hobby. All ya gots to do is walk through and open your eyes and ears! Regress a bit and embrace the possibilities. Oh, I am no longer a member of the ARRL. I gave up the "privilege" a few years back. I remember I used to soak up every issue. Even before I became a ham, I would go to my elmers and he would give me a years worth at a time. This was when they were smaller in sized and packed with real content! I hate the direction they have allowed amateur Radio to be taken. Elitist bunch of bureaucrats! Go sit in Riley's lap. How do ya like me now? Ok, I guess I am getting old and buzzardly. I apologize. I too hate to see where our wonderful way of life is headed! Oh, and I too play the guit-fiddle and work on my amps. Ya wanna know what is on my bench at the moment? DX-100 (Recap, retube and Timtron mods,) SX-42 (Recap, retube and align) NC-183 (Recap, retube, align and new paint) BC-779-A (Just got it. Retube and maybe recap and align in it's future) Softrock40/30 TXRX (New kit. Hey, I like the new stuff too!) De k2ki . Flame all you want!!! Joseph Bento wrote: The "Getting On The Air" column by W1ZR. Vacuum tube based equipment is far too dangerous to consider for a first rig, and building your own equipment apparently isn't even a consideration any longer. If it uses tubes, GASP! High Voltage! We can't have any of that! Also, avoid gear older than 8 years, because you might not be able to get it repaired. I hang my head in shame over what has happened to this once great hobby where people were somewhat technically competent. Those that lacked technical skills at least learned a bit of theory to at least have a basic understanding of the operation of their equipment. At 44 years old, I'm a relative youngster in ham radio. I build and restore vacuum tube equipment. I also play the guitar. The electric guitar fraternity seems to embrace homebrewing far more than the amateur community does today. Most good guitar amp designs are still vacuum tube based, including modern designs. People regularly modify their amps or build clone designs. Yes, high voltage. You learn the proper precautions. Seems rather fu
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
- Original Message - From: "Mark K3MSB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air > There is some 15 CW activity now.I'm parked on 21.420. Called CQ > for a while but nada. > > I'll be there for a while longer whilst cleaning up the shack > > 73 Mark K3MSB Ahhh Jeez! Not only am I too clse to you for 15m at this time of the solar cycle, but I was busy taking care of car work. But.. Sporadic E does happen on 15m. Where ere the signals from? We could have worked each other via Es. Ellen - AF9J Still waiting to hook up with you on 50.400 AM (the FT-620B needs to be put through its AM paces) __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
Hey Jim -- Heard CW and SSB activity but nothing on AM. Went upstairs about an hour and a half after I made my post and made the mistake of laying down on the couch.woke up around 5 PM or so. I think both dogs and I had a snoring contest; the hound probably won. Off to the CQ WW CW contest at the top of the hour.. 73 Mark K3MSB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
What happened Mark, did you get turkey and dressing everywhere? :>) Jim/W5JO There is some 15 CW activity now.I'm parked on 21.420. Called CQ for a while but nada. I'll be there for a while longer whilst cleaning up the shack 73 Mark K3MSB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
There is some 15 CW activity now.I'm parked on 21.420. Called CQ for a while but nada. I'll be there for a while longer whilst cleaning up the shack 73 Mark K3MSB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
- Original Message - From: "Geoff/W5OMR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air > I'm thinking that 15m is kinda like 10m. The band is open a lot more > than you think, but because everyone is 'listening' for signals, and not > putting one on the air, everyone starts to think the band is dead. Very true about 15m. And the neat thing about 15m - the AM hangout of above 21.400 (with the 21.425 MHz AM calling freq.) is an area of the band that doesn't get a ton of use, so you don't have to deal with the QRM problems you get from groups like the Macaroni Net on 75m. Even during contests, most Contesters stay below 21.400. Also, the QRN is lower too. The only problem you might have, is decreased sensitivity in some of the older receivers. > > > Ellen - AF9J > > Thawing out from spending an hour walking home after dropping of her coar > > for some service - it's 20 degress out there, with a 15 mile per hour wind! > > Be careful out there, Ellen. You gonna freeze your ...earlobes... off! > > Gonna have to get some one from the Wisconsin State police to go around > looking for earlobes with hoop ear-rings through 'em > > ;-) > Ahhh, that's nothing! Later in the winter, 20 degrees will seem downright balmy! Especially if we get as cold was we did last Feruary - 15 Below! I'm just not used to it yet. And, Novemeber was warmer than normal for us. One good thing about the cold weather, it sure cuts down on the noise. The powerlines may arc for a couple of days during a cold snap, but once they settle down, it's nice and quiet. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
Ellen Rugowski wrote: W5OMR is right in saying that we don't have to wait for a special event to come out of the woodwork. Too bad the 15 meter propagation isn't with us yet. I'm thinking that 15m is kinda like 10m. The band is open a lot more than you think, but because everyone is 'listening' for signals, and not putting one on the air, everyone starts to think the band is dead. Ellen - AF9J Thawing out from spending an hour walking home after dropping of her coar for some service - it's 20 degress out there, with a 15 mile per hour wind! Be careful out there, Ellen. You gonna freeze your ...earlobes... off! Gonna have to get some one from the Wisconsin State police to go around looking for earlobes with hoop ear-rings through 'em ;-) -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
> > I've heard reports that 15m was open, more than most people think. Yep, that would be me - guilty as charged. Being a Corntaster, who does it QRP, I spend a fair amount of time in 15 & higher. 15'vs been all or nothing. When it's open for me, it's open to FL, AZ, CA, OR, & WA, with TX occasionally thrown in for good measure. 20 is better during the day to the South for me. But, I'd prefer to do it below 14.200. The AM Window on 14.286, is too close for comfort to 14.275, where, Karol, VE7KFM, everybody's favorite Canadian nutcase hangs out. I fear that the QRM and jamming of him will eventually spread up to 14.290. > > I need to locate another screen resistor for the grid circuit in a > Viking II. If that's the same resistor that also sets the bias on the > 807's, I -might- have one. > > If I can get the 'other' Viking II working (the one I'm NOT using as an > RF exciter for the 250TH rig) then I can use it for checking out 40m, or > 15m. > > Need to find my schematic, again... > > Very true, Mike, that a lot of us are going to be around the house the > rest of the weekend. It'd be nice to hear some of those 'middle of the > day' carrier surprises on 75m. As long as my car won't be ready until 2ish or so, and I'm thawing out from my walk home, I'm going to start cleaning & testing the Viker II. I'm hoping (although with my luck, it's probably a longshot), I can have it on the air this weekend. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
- Original Message - From: "Mike Duke, K5XU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion of AM Radio" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:30 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air > W5OMR is right in saying that we don't have to wait for a special event to > come out of the woodwork. > > Lots of us will be around the house for the remainder of the weekend, > including today. > > If this noise will let me, I'll be on 40, and will check 20 regularly. > > Too bad the 15 meter propagation isn't with us yet. > You've got that right Mike! I've been aching to do some high band AM. My Antenna has gain on 20m & above. 73, Ellen - AF9J Thawing out from spending an hour walking home after dropping of her coar for some service - it's 20 degress out there, with a 15 mile per hour wind! __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Getting on the Air
Mike Duke, K5XU wrote: W5OMR is right in saying that we don't have to wait for a special event to come out of the woodwork. Lots of us will be around the house for the remainder of the weekend, including today. If this noise will let me, I'll be on 40, and will check 20 regularly. Too bad the 15 meter propagation isn't with us yet. I was just on, up on 3.885. Never heard a peep below, but had a nice 30min conversation with N8ULN/Jim in Wooster, OH. Not bad propagation, either - his 100w 32V2 was, for the most part, Q-5 here in South Texas. I've heard reports that 15m was open, more than most people think. I need to locate another screen resistor for the grid circuit in a Viking II. If that's the same resistor that also sets the bias on the 807's, I -might- have one. If I can get the 'other' Viking II working (the one I'm NOT using as an RF exciter for the 250TH rig) then I can use it for checking out 40m, or 15m. Need to find my schematic, again... Very true, Mike, that a lot of us are going to be around the house the rest of the weekend. It'd be nice to hear some of those 'middle of the day' carrier surprises on 75m. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
