[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
> From: rswa...@twcny.rr.com > To: amsat-bb@amsat.org > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:46:48 -0400 > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered > > Bruce filled me in on where a lot of the "donations" go.. > > Couple others beat me up .. LOL > > So is there a win-win on this topic ? > > Randy > > Yeap. The non "volunteers" recognize that the folks who volunteer for Amsat are the hardest working people in the world (18 hour days) and if they dont have their way then its the highway and all amateur satellite work will come to an end... As Frank Burns said to Col. Flagg in MASH "If we do not blindly follow our leaders how will our democracy work?" Robert WB5MZO _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] North Carolina EM96
I'll be in mountains of North Carolina next week in Grid EM96. So look for me on the FM birds when I am able to break away from my other obligations. 73, Allen KK4AK (previous call KK4EMK) ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
They just get > it done. Mike is one of our best examples, he has earned the right to > voice his opinion on the topic at the end of a soldering iron building > tracker boxes by the dozen. > > 73, Drew KO4MA > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Drew. Hubris is not a problem with you folks is it? now you are judging who can and who cannot voice an opinion. No wonder AMSAT NA is flailing Robert WB5MZO Amsat Life Member _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
Then YOU volunteer to maintain the website.That is a volunteer position also. Don WB5EKU On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Randy wrote: > Although I agree that a phone call is good as well .. > I pay dues to AMSAT and don't think a maintained website is a lot to ask in > return.. > > Randy - N2CUA > > > """So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of > the AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch > with you... IT IS AMSAT's FAULT?Is that it? > > So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the > item > never arrives... YOU JUST FORGET IT? > > This is a mindset of failure! A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!! > > The AMSAT office has a phone. The number is on the website, please use > it! > > Do you really want to volunteer? PROVE IT! AND FOLLOW THRU! PROMISES > DON'T GET THINGS DONE! > > Mike, WB8CXO""" > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
Ok .. Maybe the word dues was not correct.. But I did pay to join AMSAT ... Where does that money Go? And the money that all members paid to join? I'll go back to my corner now .. Randy ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
I'm missing the connection here. Dues - volunteer maintained web site Gould - WA4SXM - Original Message - From: "Randy" To: Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered > Although I agree that a phone call is good as well .. > I pay dues to AMSAT and don't think a maintained website is a lot to ask > in > return.. > > Randy - N2CUA > > > """So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of > the AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch > with you... IT IS AMSAT's FAULT?Is that it? > > So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the > item > never arrives... YOU JUST FORGET IT? > > This is a mindset of failure! A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!! > > The AMSAT office has a phone. The number is on the website, please use > it! > > Do you really want to volunteer? PROVE IT! AND FOLLOW THRU! PROMISES > DON'T GET THINGS DONE! > > Mike, WB8CXO""" > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteered
Although I agree that a phone call is good as well .. I pay dues to AMSAT and don't think a maintained website is a lot to ask in return.. Randy - N2CUA """So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of the AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch with you... IT IS AMSAT's FAULT?Is that it? So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the item never arrives... YOU JUST FORGET IT? This is a mindset of failure! A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!! The AMSAT office has a phone. The number is on the website, please use it! Do you really want to volunteer? PROVE IT! AND FOLLOW THRU! PROMISES DON'T GET THINGS DONE! Mike, WB8CXO""" ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Shuttle landing
*The landing of the shuttle Discovery at the Kennedy Space Center has been delayed for at least a day due to bad weather in Florida.* Thunderstorms and strong winds meant that the US space agency NASA skipped both Thursday landing possibilities. The shuttle, which is returning from a mission to the International Space Station (ISS), will have to orbit the earth for a 14th day. The new landing slot is at 1754 (2154 GMT) on Friday. However the weather forecast for Friday is worse, and Saturday is only a little better. NASA says if necessary it will consider the possibility of using a runway at Edwards Air Force Base in California. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Shuttle landing
Dave Friday http://www.spaceflightnow.com/ Robert WB5MZO _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Shuttle landing
I'm away from media tonight. Is the shuttle still landing at 8:41 ET? Dave Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Let's get constructive!
Peter, Well said and Aloha from the Mainland, in NY, I look forward to your rejoining the "Satellitiers" even if we are scraping our knuckles due to our current low orbits. You sound like someone who has and will add value to our group, I've been involved just over a year and I'm not sure what I enjoy more the friendships made our the Satellite contacts. In any case, maybe the "Grand Old Lady" A0-7 will have a big footprint from you to me! Look forward to Patrick WD9EWK giving us reports on how good you sound!! 73, Pete, WB2OQQ > > Hey guys and gals, AMSAT members, supporters and kibitzers reading the mail. > > By now everybody had his or her say, positive or negative, it does not matter. > > What matters now, is get together and work on a solution, without pointing fingers > and or flaming individuals. > > I for myself dropped out of AMSAT in the AO-10 days, some of you old timers might > remember me. My reason for that was NOT dissatisfaction with AMSAT, the other way > around. AO-10 was wonderful, gave me hours of enjoyment, and friends all over the globe, > some of which I had the pleasure of meeting eyeball to eyeball. > > Economics forced me to scale down, drop everything not necessary to survive, and fight for my > basic existence. I barely managed not to become homeless. Now I am slowly back on my > feet. Oh yes, I will re join AMSAT again. Why? That is a very good question. AO-10 is gone, > and all what is left are relative low flyers and the ISS. To understand my position and yearning > for HEO's, realize that I live on a very small island, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. That > makes some satellite footprints not even large enough to reach the Continental United States > from here. The ones who do, give us only a small sliver of the pie, and then you can talk to > the same sat ops for a few minutes, not to say seconds. The latter one is one of the reasons > why there are so few sat ops here in Hawaii! > > Why did I rejoin? Number one is to help others to look at the satellite side of the hobby. > It is fun, and Hawaii is a rare commodity for you mainlanders, and gives you one more sat op > to chat with. Second, after getting my feet wet again (it has been many years of my hiatus) > I will volunteer to become an AMSAT coordinator again. > > So I paid my dues, to be back on board. As soon as I feel comfortable to "lead the heard" > again, I will volunteer my services. > > I hope the lot of you will do the same, support and build, do not destroy. Let's get of the > soap box and do something constructive! Constructive criticism is appreciated and will lead > to improvements. But there is no point in beating a dead horse! > > Hope to see you on the sats! > > Aloha, Peter, NH6VB AMSAT# 30992 > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] AO-51 Software crash
AO-51 experienced a software crash sometime this afternoon/evening. I got the boot code loaded into ram and running and working on setting the power level. Drew and I don't have a good pass until tomorrow morning, when we will start the software reload. 73, Gould, WA4SXM ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ao51
Same here, also on the earlier pass. Dave-KB1PVH --Original Message-- From: Perry Yantis Sender: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] ao51 Sent: Sep 10, 2009 7:02 PM just listened for AO51 but heard nothing. 2301 gmt 9/10/09 Perry WB8OTH ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ao51
Nothing heard in EL96 (SW Florida either), I tried all mode combinations just to make sure! David KG4ZLB Perry Yantis wrote: > just listened for AO51 but heard nothing. > > 2301 gmt 9/10/09 > > Perry WB8OTH > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] ao51
just listened for AO51 but heard nothing. 2301 gmt 9/10/09 Perry WB8OTH ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Let's get constructive!
Hey guys and gals, AMSAT members, supporters and kibitzers reading the mail. By now everybody had his or her say, positive or negative, it does not matter. What matters now, is get together and work on a solution, without pointing fingers and or flaming individuals. I for myself dropped out of AMSAT in the AO-10 days, some of you old timers might remember me. My reason for that was NOT dissatisfaction with AMSAT, the other way around. AO-10 was wonderful, gave me hours of enjoyment, and friends all over the globe, some of which I had the pleasure of meeting eyeball to eyeball. Economics forced me to scale down, drop everything not necessary to survive, and fight for my basic existence. I barely managed not to become homeless. Now I am slowly back on my feet. Oh yes, I will re join AMSAT again. Why? That is a very good question. AO-10 is gone, and all what is left are relative low flyers and the ISS. To understand my position and yearning for HEO's, realize that I live on a very small island, in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. That makes some satellite footprints not even large enough to reach the Continental United States from here. The ones who do, give us only a small sliver of the pie, and then you can talk to the same sat ops for a few minutes, not to say seconds. The latter one is one of the reasons why there are so few sat ops here in Hawaii! Why did I rejoin? Number one is to help others to look at the satellite side of the hobby. It is fun, and Hawaii is a rare commodity for you mainlanders, and gives you one more sat op to chat with. Second, after getting my feet wet again (it has been many years of my hiatus) I will volunteer to become an AMSAT coordinator again. So I paid my dues, to be back on board. As soon as I feel comfortable to "lead the heard" again, I will volunteer my services. I hope the lot of you will do the same, support and build, do not destroy. Let's get of the soap box and do something constructive! Constructive criticism is appreciated and will lead to improvements. But there is no point in beating a dead horse! Hope to see you on the sats! Aloha, Peter, NH6VB AMSAT# 30992 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
Glen Zook wrote: > Calling "blaming" the website problems a "cop out" is not a true statement, > at least in my opinion. Yes, there are "other" ways of exchanging > information with the various persons involved with AMSAT. However, those > "other" ways are not always apparent nor are those methods readily available > to everyone. Then there is the problem of knowing just which person in the > organization is responsible for the subject of the correspondence. > Contacting the "wrong" person will at least delay the exchange and sometimes > result in no exchange at all. > > It's obvious we disagree. Presumably anyone with a computer to look at the webpage will have a phone, and can see the big 1 888 322 6728 number on the top right of EVERY page. They can, if they have a web browser, and go to the leadership page and send an email. They can take note of the callsign of an officer and send an email to calls...@amsat.org. They can send an email to offic...@amsat.org, or b...@amsat.org, just as easily as they can to amsat-bb. They can even send a letter or a fax, and believe it or not, we still get both. For some of us, you can even ask us over the radio! The type of volunteer we need is a self-motivated doer that doesn't need handholding or spoonfeeding, and that has extremely thick skin if they read the -bb unfortunately. They also need to finish what they start. That type of volunteer isn't stymied by a broken web-link. They just get it done. Mike is one of our best examples, he has earned the right to voice his opinion on the topic at the end of a soldering iron building tracker boxes by the dozen. Thanks for writing the article for the Journal. It's obvious you can walk the walk, so don't take my opinion on this topic too personally. The topic is somewhat moot anyways, as that particular form has been fixed. Considering we don't charge anyone anything for anything we do other than the Journal, it's really surprising to see so much griping over free stuff. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
Or perhaps you lack the ability to research before making the offer. Glen Zook wrote: > Calling "blaming" the website problems a "cop out" is not a true statement, > at least in my opinion. Yes, there are "other" ways of exchanging > information with the various persons involved with AMSAT. However, those > "other" ways are not always apparent nor are those methods readily available > to everyone. Then there is the problem of knowing just which person in the > organization is responsible for the subject of the correspondence. > Contacting the "wrong" person will at least delay the exchange and sometimes > result in no exchange at all. > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
Calling "blaming" the website problems a "cop out" is not a true statement, at least in my opinion. Yes, there are "other" ways of exchanging information with the various persons involved with AMSAT. However, those "other" ways are not always apparent nor are those methods readily available to everyone. Then there is the problem of knowing just which person in the organization is responsible for the subject of the correspondence. Contacting the "wrong" person will at least delay the exchange and sometimes result in no exchange at all. Like it or not, in today's "information age" when a presence on the "web" is established the website becomes "the" focus point for the distribution of up-to-date information and when various reply functions are established on the website those functions become the principle media of information exchange. AMSAT is not the only organization that has been lacking in the maintaining of the website. There are many other groups that are just as guilty (even "more" guilty in many cases) of not keeping their web presence current. Often, when the website is not functioning properly, people will just ignore the website and then "forget" the whole thing. That goes for many things, not just where volunteering is involved. The result is that a lot of potentially beneficial things end up in "Never Never Land" rather than actually helping the situation. One thing that this discussion has accomplished is to bring some of the problems which have been affecting the organization into "the light of day" and, as such, efforts are being made to correct the problems. Probably, there have been some feelings "hurt" in the case of people who haven't been "doing their jobs" for any variety of reasons. There are all sorts of reasons why and I won't even try to list even a number of those reasons. But, it comes down to finding people who have not only the skills needed to perform certain tasks but who also have the time to accomplish those tasks as well as the desire to accomplish them. The "gist" of the situation is that one needs to "lead, follow, or get out of the way". Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.com --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: As I've been told, the submittal of the survey works now, but who the information goes to may be under revision/addition. If you are reading this and you want to help with something, just call the office, or email the officer responsible for that area, and forget about that survey until we can get it working 100%. Yes, it needs fixed, but a serious volunteer doesn't let such a silly thing get in their way. Mike is 100% correct in my opinion, blaming a faulty website is a cop-out. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [Bod] Fwd: Volunteering and things!
Excellent, now we all know where we are with all this and further gripes in the bb can cease! (I still think there should be some notes made on the website so that visitors and non-bb participants know what's going on!) David KG4ZLB Gould Smith wrote: > 1) Absolutely not > Anyone can setup a Wiki and it can be used by whatever group wants > to. AMSAT is not switching to a Wiki > > 2) There are a number of options on the table. AMSAT is working on > deciding who will be responsible. > Rick is looking into the amount of work necessary and his available > time to implement including David Carr's site into the page. We expect > to have a link to David's site in the interim. > > 3) The volunteer page - there is a mitigation plan in place, to change > the email address of where the information goes. The change has been > requested. > > 73, > Gould > > > - Original Message - ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Reminder
Please remember that AMSAT has one employee. If your request on email is not answered in a timely manner, please call me at the office (301-589-6062) between 10:00 am - 6:00 pm ET. -- 73- Martha ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote: > Then there's the geographical issue. > I'm not going to volunteer if I can't get there to do it. > > > The vast, vast majority of the things you could do to help AMSAT don't require you show up anywhere other than your computer or typewriter. Look at the want ad in the Journal. Very little of that requires any travel whatsoever. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering and things!
> 1) *The website* - my understanding is that this will become a Wiki > style affair and that someone has already volunteered to start it > > Is this correct? Is this happening? Who is doing this? > > This is far from a done deal, and a wiki is certainly not going to replace the entire website. The parties who want to volunteer need to get a proposal together and present it to the BOD. This means writing up a proposal and getting to the BOD, then perhaps presenting your proposal during the meeting next month. Meanwhile, updated versions of existing articles would be a worthwhile contribution for others to take on. > 2) *The Satellite Status page* - I was asked to supply information to > correct any inaccuracy's just before the idea was hatched to use the > dcarr Live Oscar Satellite Status site as a feeder. Again I understand > that this has been approved by David Carr, KD5QGR and is awaiting > implementation. > > There are two separate services here. Detailed satellite information like frequencies, weight, orbit, modes, etc are presented on the current AMSAT page, along with a week to week accuracy status. Carr's page gives up the the hour status, but still links to the AMSAT pages for further data, and in some cases to the obsolete pages from the prior website. Carr's engine would be a good addition to the AMSAT page, but it's not enough to replace it by a far stretch. I still need input on corrections to the Status page sent either via the website bug link, or directly to me. > 3) *The volunteer page* - clearly the thing is broken and clearly people > do not know this until after they have filled in the form. > So would it not be an idea to state clearly on the home page of the > website that the site is undergoing some sort of revamp? In that way > viewers know the we know that the issues are being addressed. > As I've been told, the submittal of the survey works now, but who the information goes to may be under revision/addition. If you are reading this and you want to help with something, just call the office, or email the officer responsible for that area, and forget about that survey until we can get it working 100%. Yes, it needs fixed, but a serious volunteer doesn't let such a silly thing get in their way. Mike is 100% correct in my opinion, blaming a faulty website is a cop-out. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Volunteering and things!
All, After careful consideration concerning this thread it seems we have three distinct areas that need to be, or are being, addressed. Perhaps we could get some definitive answers as to where we/AMSAT stand on them as in some cases nothing further has been heard. 1) *The website* - my understanding is that this will become a Wiki style affair and that someone has already volunteered to start it Is this correct? Is this happening? Who is doing this? 2) *The Satellite Status page* - I was asked to supply information to correct any inaccuracy's just before the idea was hatched to use the dcarr Live Oscar Satellite Status site as a feeder. Again I understand that this has been approved by David Carr, KD5QGR and is awaiting implementation. Is this correct? Is this happening? Who is doing this? 3) *The volunteer page* - clearly the thing is broken and clearly people do not know this until after they have filled in the form. So would it not be an idea to state clearly on the home page of the website that the site is undergoing some sort of revamp? In that way viewers know the we know that the issues are being addressed. Secondly, on the Satellite Status page, again some sort of wording should be appended referring to the ongoing upgrade of the site, also mentioning the future amalgamation of information from David Carr's site and provide a direct link to it? Maybe David would be kind enough to reciprocate with a direct link back to the AMSAT home page so that viewers can return easily. Lastly the Volunteer page, again some words on it saying that it is not functioning, do not waste half an hour filling it in only to hit send and find its buggered. If interested e-mail Gould or someone else so designated. I fear that without some positive short term damage limitation on the website, these threads are just going to keep popping up. The Volunteer page issue is now so old its got grey hairs! Even if no body steps forward to volunteer to change anything at all, if the correct wording is applied to the website then people know where to go for the answers and information that they need and we/AMSAT don't look incompetent. -- David KG4ZLB www.kg4zlb.com Glen Zook wrote: > I thought long and hard before replying to you. Unfortunately, it is the > fault of the organization when the systems do not work. On purpose? Of > course not. But, it still is within the control of the organization and > therefore it definitely is the fault of the organization. > > There is a "Catch 22". There is a need for volunteers but the prime method > of volunteering is not available. Why? Because there are not enough > volunteers to "fix" the method of volunteering. > > Yes, there are other ways of eventually having someone's volunteering to help > being recognized. However, most individuals are not going to go through a > trial and error means of finding the "correct" means of offering their > services. Frankly, this is just not going to happen. > > I have submitted an article for publication in The AMSAT Journal on this very > problem. Hopefully it will be published in the next edition and, again, > hopefully it will help alleviate, at least in some small way, the problems > that presently exist. > > Glen, K9STH > AMSAT 239 / LM 463 > > Website: http://k9sth.com > > > --- On Wed, 9/9/09, myoung wrote: > > So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of the > AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch with > you... IT IS AMSAT's FAULT? Is that it? > > So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the item > never arrives... YOU JUST FORGET IT? > > This is a mindset of failure! A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!! > > The AMSAT office has a phone. The number is on the website, please use it! > > Do you really want to volunteer? PROVE IT! AND FOLLOW THRU! PROMISES DON'T > GET THINGS DONE! > > > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
Then there's the geographical issue. I'm not going to volunteer if I can't get there to do it. Glen Zook wrote: > I thought long and hard before replying to you. Unfortunately, it is the > fault of the organization when the systems do not work. On purpose? Of > course not. But, it still is within the control of the organization and > therefore it definitely is the fault of the organization. > > There is a "Catch 22". There is a need for volunteers but the prime method > of volunteering is not available. Why? Because there are not enough > volunteers to "fix" the method of volunteering. > > Yes, there are other ways of eventually having someone's volunteering to help > being recognized. However, most individuals are not going to go through a > trial and error means of finding the "correct" means of offering their > services. Frankly, this is just not going to happen. > > I have submitted an article for publication in The AMSAT Journal on this very > problem. Hopefully it will be published in the next edition and, again, > hopefully it will help alleviate, at least in some small way, the problems > that presently exist. > > Glen, K9STH > AMSAT 239 / LM 463 > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Volunteering
I thought long and hard before replying to you. Unfortunately, it is the fault of the organization when the systems do not work. On purpose? Of course not. But, it still is within the control of the organization and therefore it definitely is the fault of the organization. There is a "Catch 22". There is a need for volunteers but the prime method of volunteering is not available. Why? Because there are not enough volunteers to "fix" the method of volunteering. Yes, there are other ways of eventually having someone's volunteering to help being recognized. However, most individuals are not going to go through a trial and error means of finding the "correct" means of offering their services. Frankly, this is just not going to happen. I have submitted an article for publication in The AMSAT Journal on this very problem. Hopefully it will be published in the next edition and, again, hopefully it will help alleviate, at least in some small way, the problems that presently exist. Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239 / LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.com --- On Wed, 9/9/09, myoung wrote: So if someone wants to volunteer and they use the volunteer function of the AMSAT website and it doesn't work and someone doesn't get in touch with you... IT IS AMSAT's FAULT? Is that it? So if you order something from the AMSAT website or any website and the item never arrives... YOU JUST FORGET IT? This is a mindset of failure! A HORRENDOUS COP OUT FOLKS!!! The AMSAT office has a phone. The number is on the website, please use it! Do you really want to volunteer? PROVE IT! AND FOLLOW THRU! PROMISES DON'T GET THINGS DONE! ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
