[amsat-bb] Tucson Hamfest
It was my pleasure to meet both Patrick, WD9EWK, and Ed, N7EDK, at the Tucson Hamfest yesterday. My first eye-to-eye meeting with those whom I'd worked on the satellites. Tom, KØTW ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
Please stop feeding the troll - Original Message - From: "John B. Stephensen" To: "Rocky Jones" ; ; "Amsat BB" Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...) [snip] > > - Original Message - > From: "Rocky Jones" > To: ; "Amsat BB" > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 15:32 UTC > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...) [BS deleted] ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
Bruce Robertson wrote: > Given that AMSAT-NA is by definition a collaboration between amateurs > on both sides of the US/Canada border, do we have a clear idea where > ITAR stands with respect to Canadian collaborators? I know that in > 1999 the previous exemption was revoked, but that in 2001 there were > some changes again. To the best of my knowledge, Canada holds no special status with regard to ITAR. Consider ITAR to be a "goods and information diode": Canada can sell space technology to an American company and can provide information. However, the American company cannot describe their application in detail or send any information North of the border without a Technical Assistance Agreement in place between the particular organizations. And US export permits are needed to send space technology to Canada. Furthermore, if a Canadian company wishes to use US technology on a Canadian satellite and then launch with foreign launcher, the country from which the launch takes place must also be specified (and approved) on the US Export Permit. The US State department must be satisfied that all precautions are being taken to protect the technology when it is in a foreign country. Canada does have its own restrictions for space technology under the Controlled Goods Program legislated by the Defence Production Act. And export permits are needed when sending space technology outside of the country. The process, however, is far less onerous than ITAR. Details on the Canadian system can be found at http://www.ssi-iss.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/dmc-cgd/apropos-about/apercu-overview-eng.html 73, -Daniel, VA3KKZ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Someone wrote: >as I recall there were 50 some odd pounds of ballast launched with the bird...to >bad it wasnt an amateur repeater. >to bad we didnt have something to use that excess performance...they flew >ballast on the flight - Why would they fly ballast on their rocket when they could have flown a ham satellite? 1. Ballast does not need to be tested for Electromagnetic Compatibility or contamination of the primary payload. The Interface Control Document for a block of concrete can be exceedingly simple, with no need to pay a room full of engineers to review it for completeness and accuracy. 2. Ballast does not need to have a separation interface tested and qualified, there is no chance of it coming loose inside the payload shroud during liftoff. 3. Ballast is certain to be ready in time for the launch date, without bringing another organization into the mix. There is no need to conduct a crash engineering program to design a satellite structure that will fit on the Atlas and then test and certify the satellite for compliance with the Atlas vibration and acoustic specifications. 4. Ballast does not have an e-mail group full of whining little people who think they could have designed it better or that it operates on the wrong band or mode, and complaining loudly when the mission falls months or years behind its original launch date. If you were the Colonel in charge of the mission, you could not make a safer choice than launching a block of concrete ballast. A ham satellite is just a lot of additional risk and headache with no possible gain for you or your future career. Somewhere in the world there may be an officer who is willing to take that risk. That is how Oscar-1 was launched in 1961. The challenge is to find that person and nurture a relationship with him or her. If they are reading the comments on Amsat-BB they are probably thinking "there is no way I would ever want to have a relationship with that wacky organization" Dan Schultz N8FGV ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] someone is launching cubesats!
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0910/18iran/ Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
Thanks Samudra
All knowledge about the issues effecting Amateur Satellites and ITAR
rules / laws
for the membership are appreciated.
Thanks
Joe Murray K0VTY
===
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:16:54 -0400 Samudra Haque
writes:
> Hi,
>
> if anyone is interested to investigate ITAR regulations further,
> they
> will have to dig into the published documents at various Dept of
> Commerce and other websites. However, here is a blank template in
> line
> with http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar_official.html,
> just
> in case, a US Lawful Permanent Resident wants to claim ITAR
> self-certification in the field of amateur satellites:
>
> {disclaimer, please check with the organization that you are asking
> ITAR specific permission for, for any required supplementary
> documentation}
>
> {Warning: the penalty for mis-stating is quite severe}
>
> TEMPLATE
>
> Pursuant to the ITARs (International Traffic in Arms Regulations:
> 22
> CFR 120-130) definition of a U.S. Person, 22 CFR 120.15, I {insert
> name here} hereby certify that I am a U.S. Person.
>
> Printed Name: __ {be sure this is official and
> matches your records as well}
>
> Address: __
>
> Phone: ___
>
> Alien Registration: __ {required if you are a
> US
> LPR, not required if US Citizen}
>
> Date:
>
> Signature:
>
>
> __
>
> Affiliation: Member
>
> ABC Corp
>
> Full Address
>
>
> (Fax signed copy to: _)
>
> Definitions
>
> U.S. Person (22 CFR 120.15) U.S. person means a person (as defined
> in
> section 120.14) who is lawful permanent resident as defined by 8
> U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) or who is a protected individual as defined by 8
> U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3). It also means any corporation, business
> association, partnership, society, trust, or any other entity,
> organization or group that is incorporated to do business in the
> United States. It also includes any governmental (federal, state or
> local) entity.
>
> 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) The term ''lawfully admitted for permanent
> residence'' means the status of having been lawfully accorded the
> privilege of residing permanently in the United States as an
> immigrant
> in accordance with the immigration laws, such status not having
> changed.
>
> 8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3) ''Protected individual'' defined As used in
> paragraph (1), the term ''protected individual'' means an
> individual
> who - (A) is a citizen or national of the United States, or (B) is
> an
> alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence, is granted
> the
> status of an alien lawfully admitted for temporary residence under
> section 1160(a) or 1255a(a)(1) of this title, is admitted as a
> refugee
> under section 1157 of this title, or is granted asylum under
> section
> 1158 of this title; but does not include (i) an alien who fails to
> apply for naturalization within six months of the date the alien
> first
> becomes eligible (by virtue of period of lawful permanent
> residence)
> to apply for naturalization or, if later, within six months after
> November 6, 1986, and (ii) an alien who has applied on a timely
> basis,
> but has not been naturalized as a citizen within 2 years after the
> date of the application, unless the alien can establish that the
> alien
> is actively pursuing naturalization, except that time consumed in
> the
> Service's processing the application shall not be counted toward
> the
> 2-year period.
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Bob McGwier
> wrote:
> > k0...@juno.com wrote:
> >> Greetings All:
> >>
> >> The Amsat BB is a great source of information we all know:
> >> I have a few questions about ITAR that I thought might interest
> more than
> >> I.
> >> I tried to be careful of the words I used.
> >>
> >> 1.) Do all launched satellites that have US components or
> interests fall
> >> under ITAR?
> >>
> > Yes
> >> 2.) When does ITAR interest begin for a launchable Amateur
> satellite?
> >>
> > The minute you wish to discuss what is in it with someone who is
> not a
> > US national or want to ship the thing overseas for launch.
> >> 3.) Is software and firmware that is a part of a Amateur
> satellite at
> >> launch fall under ITAR?
> >>
> > Most definitely
> >> 4.) Who normally handles University Cube Sat ITAR issues when
> Amateur
> >> frequencies are used?
> >>
> > Depends on who is going to do the launch but Cal Poly has been
> involved
> > for sure.
> >> 5.) Who normally handles US Military school Cube-Sat ITAR issues
> when
> >> Amateur frequencies are use ?
> >>
> > U.S. government entities have a form of an exemption because they
> are a
> > component of the U.S. government (and not a for profit company
> which
> > might be tempted to sell intellectual property to the highest
> bidder)
> > and th
[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
Thanks Bruce (VE9QRP) All Amateur Satellite ITAR Questions are welcome Bruce. Thanks Joe K0VTY == On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:11:38 -0300 Bruce Robertson writes: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:31 PM, wrote: > > Hi Bob (N4HY) > > > > Thanks for taking the time to ponder for the BB and me some of the > twists > > and turns > > of ITAR issues. > > > > I hope the BB apprecaites your time and effort. > > Here are a few more questions? > > I have a further question, if I may, and Bob needn't feel obliged to > answer it. > > Given that AMSAT-NA is by definition a collaboration between > amateurs > on both sides of the US/Canada border, do we have a clear idea > where > ITAR stands with respect to Canadian collaborators? I know that in > 1999 the previous exemption was revoked, but that in 2001 there > were > some changes again. > > 73, Bruce > VE9QRP > > Click now for great information on the latest in cancer treatment! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMhcS6UBOAzuAy7o1Or5C6rv2vdeXbjSWj4zDdx8C5BNTKDYawvBm/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] WD9EWK at the Tucson hamfest and New Mexico yesterday
Hi! Yesterday was a busy - and enjoyable - day spent in southern Arizona and (briefly) southwestern New Mexico. A hamfest, followed by a drive toward the Arizona/New Mexico border, for a total of 549 miles (883km) including my drive down to Tucson on Friday evening. The hamfest was the Old Pueblo Radio Club's annual hamfest in Tucson. I attended this event last year, which was a very cold morning. For yesterday, it was warm enough so I didn't need a jacket. In fact, it was getting rather warm by mid-morning. The better weather meant a larger crowd showed up - buyers and sellers. I brought the AMSAT "flag" back to this hamfest, and set up next to the ARRL table. There was a regular stream of traffic by the table, and good crowds for the demonstrations (one AO-51 pass, two SO-50 passes, and two VO-52 passes - although I did not work stations on the first of the two VO-52 pass). The AO-51 pass started just before the official start of the hamfest at 7am (1400 UTC). Despite the fact that this pass went by to my west, there were 12 QSOs made with stations across much of the USA along with stations in Canada and Mexico. Not a bad start. There was a VO-52 pass at 1537 UTC I had hoped to work, but I had problems hearing the downlink. Normally, I have not had problems with the 2m downlinks, even with an air force base a couple of miles/km east of the hamfest. I apologize to those who were hoping to hear - and work - me on that pass. SO-50 first came just after 1600 UTC, and there were a couple of JOTA stations from Texas on there. I worked one of them, along with 4 other US stations. Then the second (western) VO-52 pass showed up an hour later. This time, I had no problems hearing the downlink. Glenn AA5PK in Texas and Bob W7LRD in Washington state answered my CQ calls. Thanks for the contacts - they helped bring out a "that's cool" remark from a long-time ham who was previously active on AO-10 and AO-13, seeing me work SSB via satellite with two FT-817s and a handheld antenna. The final SO-50 pass came by a little after 1800 UTC, and 3 more stations were logged. Thenks to the Old Pueblo Radio Club for providing me the space for the AMSAT table, and also to those stations who worked me (and, on the first VO-52 pass, tried to work me). Having the crowd hear where the other stations are located helps to show that our satellites cover a large area - even if the footprints are not what we might hope for. After the hamfest, I decided to spend my afternoon and early evening around the Arizona/New Mexico border. I've operated from several locations in southeastern Arizona on trips earlier this year, so I wanted to do something a little different. Instead of parking on a grid boundary, this trip would be to the state line. From Tucson, I drove about 135 miles/217km - a little less than 2 hours - on the I-10 freeway to reach the state line. There is a freeway exit very close to this spot, and from there I drove on a dirt track up to the state line (grid DM52lf). Along with the signs on the freeway showing the state line, there was a concrete marker across the freeway on the state line. I lined up my truck so the radio gear in the back of it sat on the state line, and took lots of photos of that and the area - along with the GPS readout. Then I waited for the 2235 UTC AO-27 pass. Once the AO-27 repeater switched on, I worked 5 stations on that pass. This location was a good one for passes to the west, or high passes to the east. For the AO-51 pass around 2318 UTC, which was a shallow pass to the northeast, a hill blocked me in that direction. I drove 5 miles/8km east of the state line to reach the town of Road Forks in New Mexico (grid DM52mf). From here, I had good visibility to the northeast down to the horizon, and I was ready for this pass. The first few minutes were busy, when I worked 10 stations in a 3-minute apan. After that, several minutes passed with many signals or QRM clogged the uplink. Just before the end of the pass, I was able to work two more stations before the satellite went away from me. Even with the period where I logged no QSOs, that was still a good pass. I went back to the state line for the second AO-51 pass, at 0054 UTC. This was a very high pass, approximately 65 degrees maximum elevation to the west, as the sun was setting behind mountains to the west. Stations were heard from southern Mexico to Alaska and western Canada, and across most of the USA. Clint's JOTA station was on the air, and David XE3DX was also operating a JOTA station with a group of Mexican Scouts (Drew - I will get you more information on the XE JOTA satellite activity shortly). WD9EWK logged 17 QSOs on this western pass. Whether it was the rarely-heard grid DM52 or the fact I was working from a state line, it was an enjoyable pass. When AO-51 went away for the last time, I quickly disassembled my antenna and packed up for the 240-mile/386km d
[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:31 PM, wrote: > Hi Bob (N4HY) > > Thanks for taking the time to ponder for the BB and me some of the twists > and turns > of ITAR issues. > > I hope the BB apprecaites your time and effort. > Here are a few more questions? I have a further question, if I may, and Bob needn't feel obliged to answer it. Given that AMSAT-NA is by definition a collaboration between amateurs on both sides of the US/Canada border, do we have a clear idea where ITAR stands with respect to Canadian collaborators? I know that in 1999 the previous exemption was revoked, but that in 2001 there were some changes again. 73, Bruce VE9QRP ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: JOTA Contacts on AO-51 00:55 GMT
Hi Clint! > Thank you, Mexico! > Thank you, Northern California and AMSAT Patrick! > Thank you, Texas! And don't forget Jeff K7WIN in southeastern Arizona - who you had your Scouts yell "Hello Arizona" to. It was good to hear you and your group on the "normal" AO-51 repeater last night. The Mexican you briefly talked with was Antonio XE2SIV, who lives just south of the Arizona/Mexico border near the Colorado River in the city of San Luis (there is also a San Luis AZ across the border from this San Luis, south of Yuma AZ). > I did NOT record the pass to initiate QSL cards - but will > certainly respond to ANY of the 8+ contacts we made on > both the special JOTA repeater and the "normal" V/U repeater >. (That's INCLUDING Patrick, who I think had one foot in New > Mexico and the other in Arizona ...) Yes, I had parked on the Arizona/New Mexico state line just off the I-10 freeway for that AO-51 pass and an earlier AO-27 pass. I'll elaborate on my Saturday activities in a separate -BB post. If you'd like, I can e-mail you my MP3 of that pass in a separate e-mail. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Do you think that they would agree to fly anything other than ballast? Have you talked to the project manager? AMSAT has flown satellites using excess space in the past because the launch agency agreed years in advance and the satellites were built to fit in that space. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: "Rocky Jones" To: "Rocky Jones" Cc: "Amsat BB" Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 17:12 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] THE DMSP launch > > "We have a unique opportunity with the Atlas 5/DMSP launch, as DMSP is > a relatively lighter spacecraft than many of those that fly on Atlas. > For that reason, we have a tremendous amount of performance margin. > That's certainly not the case for some future missions that Atlas will > be flying. So we're taking advantage of the opportunity before us to > use some of that excess performance margin on the Atlas 5," said Col. > Michael Moran, the Atlas Group commander. > > to bad we didnt have something to use that excess performance...they flew > ballast on the flight > > Robert WB5MZO > > _ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
Hi Bob (N4HY) Thanks for taking the time to ponder for the BB and me some of the twists and turns of ITAR issues. I hope the BB apprecaites your time and effort. Here are a few more questions? 8.) How do exclusionary zones with in the US work as in the AO-40 integration and shipping zone, as it relates to ITAR? 9.) How does Amsat-NA insure ITAR security among it's own engineering staff? 10.) Does the German Government have ITAR like laws for the AMSAT-DL folks to follow? 11.) Are there any ITAR shipping limitation involved as to methods and ports? Global is getting to mean many things it would appear. Thanks you sir, when you get more spare time . Regards Joe Murray K0VTY On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:18:52 -0400 Bob McGwier writes: > k0...@juno.com wrote: > > Greetings All: > > > > The Amsat BB is a great source of information we all know: > > I have a few questions about ITAR that I thought might interest > more than > > I. > > I tried to be careful of the words I used. > > > > 1.) Do all launched satellites that have US components or > interests fall > > under ITAR? > > > Yes > > 2.) When does ITAR interest begin for a launchable Amateur > satellite? > > > The minute you wish to discuss what is in it with someone who is not > a > US national or want to ship the thing overseas for launch. > > 3.) Is software and firmware that is a part of a Amateur satellite > at > > launch fall under ITAR? > > > Most definitely > > 4.) Who normally handles University Cube Sat ITAR issues when > Amateur > > frequencies are used? > > > Depends on who is going to do the launch but Cal Poly has been > involved > for sure. > > 5.) Who normally handles US Military school Cube-Sat ITAR issues > when > > Amateur frequencies are use ? > > > U.S. government entities have a form of an exemption because they > are a > component of the U.S. government (and not a for profit company which > > might be tempted to sell intellectual property to the highest > bidder) > and those equities are handled differently. Even then, ITAR only > comes > into play if non-U.S. citizens are involved in the program and/or an > > overseas launch is envisioned. > > 6.) When is there no ITAR interest in a Amateur satellite? > > > There is interest. That is what is causing us so much grief. It > has > effectively ended the participation of AMSAT-NA in Phase 3E. > > 7.) Did Suitsat one or two (ARISSaT-1) have any ITAR problems > since they > > are satellites > > using Amateur frequency? > > > NASA is able to work through different channels than AMSAT has to in > > order to get things launched to the space station. AMSAT-NA will be > > responsible for ALL transfer of components for ARISSat 1 to the > launch > site. We might get assistance from some places in the government > but it > will be handled as an export request and we will have to show how > we > will protect the equities that need protecting under ITAR. > > > > I have more ITAR related questions. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Joe K0VTY > > > > > > ANY aspect dealing with a satellite, software, hardware, ground > stations > (hardware, software, protocols, etc.), ideas, random ejaculations > from a > diseased mind or whatever that deals with spacecraft or ground > stations > are DEEMED EXPORTS when they depart a U.S. citizen and are delivered > to > a non-U.S. citizen. It is a nearly impossible task to abide by and > one > that really makes me want to throw my hands up in despair and walk > away. > > There are exceptions for classrooms and courses taught in U.S. > university's. A person, even a non-U.S. citizen, who can pay for > taking > a course, may go and involve themselves in course work, even if it > is > dealing with the design, construction, and control of spacecraft > during > the course work. Some of this applies to your earlier questions but > for > US service academies, there are very few non-U.S. citizens in > them. > > Bob > N4HY > > > > -- > (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio > Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, > NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. > "You don't need to see the whole staircase, just > take the first step.", MLK. > Twitter:rwmcgwier > Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn > > > > Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMerseM6huiwDg7vZAreaZevOqcTQHomkuVte4Hrdxu0CDqAzrmfO/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
Hi,
if anyone is interested to investigate ITAR regulations further, they
will have to dig into the published documents at various Dept of
Commerce and other websites. However, here is a blank template in line
with http://pmddtc.state.gov/regulations_laws/itar_official.html, just
in case, a US Lawful Permanent Resident wants to claim ITAR
self-certification in the field of amateur satellites:
{disclaimer, please check with the organization that you are asking
ITAR specific permission for, for any required supplementary
documentation}
{Warning: the penalty for mis-stating is quite severe}
TEMPLATE
Pursuant to the ITAR’s (International Traffic in Arms Regulations: 22
CFR 120-130) definition of a U.S. Person, 22 CFR 120.15, I {insert
name here} hereby certify that I am a U.S. Person.
Printed Name: __ {be sure this is official and
matches your records as well}
Address: __
Phone: ___
Alien Registration: __ {required if you are a US
LPR, not required if US Citizen}
Date:
Signature:
__
Affiliation: Member
ABC Corp
Full Address
(Fax signed copy to: _)
Definitions
U.S. Person (22 CFR 120.15) U.S. person means a person (as defined in
section 120.14) who is lawful permanent resident as defined by 8
U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) or who is a protected individual as defined by 8
U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3). It also means any corporation, business
association, partnership, society, trust, or any other entity,
organization or group that is incorporated to do business in the
United States. It also includes any governmental (federal, state or
local) entity.
8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20) The term ''lawfully admitted for permanent
residence'' means the status of having been lawfully accorded the
privilege of residing permanently in the United States as an immigrant
in accordance with the immigration laws, such status not having
changed.
8 U.S.C. 1324b(a)(3) ''Protected individual'' defined As used in
paragraph (1), the term ''protected individual'' means an individual
who - (A) is a citizen or national of the United States, or (B) is an
alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence, is granted the
status of an alien lawfully admitted for temporary residence under
section 1160(a) or 1255a(a)(1) of this title, is admitted as a refugee
under section 1157 of this title, or is granted asylum under section
1158 of this title; but does not include (i) an alien who fails to
apply for naturalization within six months of the date the alien first
becomes eligible (by virtue of period of lawful permanent residence)
to apply for naturalization or, if later, within six months after
November 6, 1986, and (ii) an alien who has applied on a timely basis,
but has not been naturalized as a citizen within 2 years after the
date of the application, unless the alien can establish that the alien
is actively pursuing naturalization, except that time consumed in the
Service's processing the application shall not be counted toward the
2-year period.
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Bob McGwier wrote:
> k0...@juno.com wrote:
>> Greetings All:
>>
>> The Amsat BB is a great source of information we all know:
>> I have a few questions about ITAR that I thought might interest more than
>> I.
>> I tried to be careful of the words I used.
>>
>> 1.) Do all launched satellites that have US components or interests fall
>> under ITAR?
>>
> Yes
>> 2.) When does ITAR interest begin for a launchable Amateur satellite?
>>
> The minute you wish to discuss what is in it with someone who is not a
> US national or want to ship the thing overseas for launch.
>> 3.) Is software and firmware that is a part of a Amateur satellite at
>> launch fall under ITAR?
>>
> Most definitely
>> 4.) Who normally handles University Cube Sat ITAR issues when Amateur
>> frequencies are used?
>>
> Depends on who is going to do the launch but Cal Poly has been involved
> for sure.
>> 5.) Who normally handles US Military school Cube-Sat ITAR issues when
>> Amateur frequencies are use ?
>>
> U.S. government entities have a form of an exemption because they are a
> component of the U.S. government (and not a for profit company which
> might be tempted to sell intellectual property to the highest bidder)
> and those equities are handled differently. Even then, ITAR only comes
> into play if non-U.S. citizens are involved in the program and/or an
> overseas launch is envisioned.
>> 6.) When is there no ITAR interest in a Amateur satellite?
>>
> There is interest. That is what is causing us so much grief. It has
> effectively ended the participation of AMSAT-NA in Phase 3E.
>> 7.) Did Suitsat one or two (ARISSaT-1) have any ITAR problems since they
>> are satellites
>> using Amateur frequency?
>>
> NASA is able to work through different channels than AMSA
[amsat-bb] Re: According to Rocky Jones
Your math seems to be off. Eagle disappeared due to lack of money to pay for a launch rather than technical problems. This is much better than paying for hardware to sit on the ground. Suitsat 2 and ARRISsat are the same thing so there has been no failure yet.AO-51 is in orbit and working. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: "Rocky Jones" To: Cc: "Amsat BB" Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 15:49 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: According to Rocky Jones > > > >> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:44:57 + >> From: ni...@ngunn.net >> To: orbit...@hotmail.com >> CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org >> Subject: According to Rocky Jones >> >> I guesswe need to get you on the design/construction team to show the >> "experts" how to do it. >> > > > the experts were very successful with Suitsat 1. Eagle worked out good as > well didnt it? > > Suitsat 2...dellivered on time ...oh well not so much. ARISSsat or > whatever it is...fourth time is a charm > > Robert WB5MZO > > _ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
Suitsat 2/ARISSsat is a linear transponder done with DSP. Its seems perfectly reasonable to me to do transponder signal filtering and command decoding digitally as it makes things smaller and lighter. You could also make a better transponder by forming filters around the uplink signals so downlink power isn't wasted by repeating noise and downlink power could be allocated equally among users. Putting ARISSsat on the ISS would be nice but NASA and the Russian space agency haven't agreed to that. 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: "Rocky Jones" To: ; "Amsat BB" Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 15:32 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...) > That still doesnt answer the question of why on Suitsat 2 they should fly > a digital transponder. > > In my view better engineering doctrine would imply that we try and put the > digital transponder ON ISS and let it "cook" there for a bit. > Robert WB5MZO > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Alaska Special Event Station
I want to thank the stations that I made contact with on the last pass on AO27 K7WIN, VA7VW, W6ZKH and Sawson, KG6NUB right at the end. As I stated before check out the KL5O.com website for QSL info. They have a nice QSL card. 73, Dale - KL7XJ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
k0...@juno.com wrote: > Greetings All: > > The Amsat BB is a great source of information we all know: > I have a few questions about ITAR that I thought might interest more than > I. > I tried to be careful of the words I used. > > 1.) Do all launched satellites that have US components or interests fall > under ITAR? > Yes > 2.) When does ITAR interest begin for a launchable Amateur satellite? > The minute you wish to discuss what is in it with someone who is not a US national or want to ship the thing overseas for launch. > 3.) Is software and firmware that is a part of a Amateur satellite at > launch fall under ITAR? > Most definitely > 4.) Who normally handles University Cube Sat ITAR issues when Amateur > frequencies are used? > Depends on who is going to do the launch but Cal Poly has been involved for sure. > 5.) Who normally handles US Military school Cube-Sat ITAR issues when > Amateur frequencies are use ? > U.S. government entities have a form of an exemption because they are a component of the U.S. government (and not a for profit company which might be tempted to sell intellectual property to the highest bidder) and those equities are handled differently. Even then, ITAR only comes into play if non-U.S. citizens are involved in the program and/or an overseas launch is envisioned. > 6.) When is there no ITAR interest in a Amateur satellite? > There is interest. That is what is causing us so much grief. It has effectively ended the participation of AMSAT-NA in Phase 3E. > 7.) Did Suitsat one or two (ARISSaT-1) have any ITAR problems since they > are satellites > using Amateur frequency? > NASA is able to work through different channels than AMSAT has to in order to get things launched to the space station. AMSAT-NA will be responsible for ALL transfer of components for ARISSat 1 to the launch site. We might get assistance from some places in the government but it will be handled as an export request and we will have to show how we will protect the equities that need protecting under ITAR. > > I have more ITAR related questions. > > Best Regards > > Joe K0VTY > > ANY aspect dealing with a satellite, software, hardware, ground stations (hardware, software, protocols, etc.), ideas, random ejaculations from a diseased mind or whatever that deals with spacecraft or ground stations are DEEMED EXPORTS when they depart a U.S. citizen and are delivered to a non-U.S. citizen. It is a nearly impossible task to abide by and one that really makes me want to throw my hands up in despair and walk away. There are exceptions for classrooms and courses taught in U.S. university's. A person, even a non-U.S. citizen, who can pay for taking a course, may go and involve themselves in course work, even if it is dealing with the design, construction, and control of spacecraft during the course work. Some of this applies to your earlier questions but for US service academies, there are very few non-U.S. citizens in them. Bob N4HY -- (Co)Author: DttSP, Quiktrak, PowerSDR, GnuRadio Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. "You don't need to see the whole staircase, just take the first step.", MLK. Twitter:rwmcgwier Active: Facebook,Myspace,LinkedIn ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: 2M1EUB/P VIA AO7 HAND HELD ANTS
Hi Paul, Can I also point out another challenge that AMSATs face now and will face in the future that maybe wasn't such a big issue in the past? "Debris Mitigation" - the recent collisions have made space agencies and similar authorities extremely aware and concerned - this means that the recommendation that spacecraft are deorbited (or reorbited higher in the case of geostationary birds) within 25 years of intended/expected end of mission is, or will soon become, a requirement rather than a recommendation. This means that University cubists and similar "expected short operational life" spacecraft may not find launch opportunities above about 600kms height. The silver lining might be that an amateur payload, which could be enabled after the end of the main mission of a spacecraft, might be seen as a valid method to push back the "end of life" date and therefore justify a higher orbit. That means that we will have to demonstrate, by example and design justification, that we can provide functionality in the long term rather than for just a few months/years. Not impossible but a challenge for our future satellite builders:) For my money, a really rad hardened linear transponder that is designed to function with or without batteries and that is on a spacecraft that has one of these low thrust solar electric propulsion systems to eanble us to reach MEO would be perfect! But of course this is not a simplesat and would need a grown up attitude control system and probably other complex parts. As Drew has suggested - to hitch a ride on someone else bird would be a neat trick. cheers Graham G3VZV - Original Message - From: "Andrew Glasbrenner" To: "paul robinson" Cc: Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 2M1EUB/P VIA AO7 HAND HELD ANTS > >> AMSAT ARE YOU LISTENING??? FOOT PRINT BEING IMPORTANT!! > Of course we are. Satellites aren't launched on desire only. > > Earlier this year I was in contact with the only launch provider I could > find who had launches to over 800km. They had no secondary opportunities > available. > > A launch to 600 to 800 km for an AO-51 sized satellite would cost 400k > to 800k dollars from all the providers we've spoken to. That's almost as > unobtainable on our own as the 10 million for Intelsat or 7 million for > P3E. > > I think our best chance to get back to a higher orbit is going to be > hitching a ride on someone else's satellite, and we are actively > pursuing this in several directions. If you work for someone who could, > or know of an opportunity to carry a 1 or 2 kilo package to orbit, and > provide us with ~5 watts of power, please email me privately with > details. We have the hardware, as a direct result of the > SuitSat-2/Arissat-1 effort. All we need is the ride. > > 73, Drew KO4MA > > > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Cheap CP 2.4 ghz antenna?
Hi folks, So I have a pair of 14 dbi flat panel "Wi-Fi" antennas, complete with pigtail and N connector. I assume they're linearly polarized. Satellite downlinks really ought to be circular, if possible. For satellite use, could I simply mount the two on my Az/El rotor boom, with one rotated 90-degrees from the other, and with a 1.23 inch shim behind it (for the 1/4 wave offset, if I did the math right), then combine the two antennas with a simple "T" connector? The impedance would be wrong, but for Rx only, probably irrelevant. I'd be feeding it into a Kuhne preamp, and from there to the Drake downconverter. As a receive setup for the likes of AO-40, this probably wouldn't be all that good. My 30" screened BBQ Grill with helix feed, after all, was barely up to the job. But for AO-51's V/US mode, I'd think it would be fine, offer a whole lot less wind resistance, and weigh a whole lot less too. Since AO-51's 2.4 ghz antenna is linearly polarized, it probably doesn't matter whether the result is left-hand or right-hand polarized, so it doesn't matter that I forget which "hand" rule to use for figuring it out... I've also heard that these panel antennas may have great numerical gain, but also have a lot of loss (cheap PC board materials), so maybe this isn't too good of an idea. What do you think? Greg KO6TH _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] The Next Generation of Amateur Radio Satellites
Robert, Congratulations for volunteering to organize development of an analog linear transponder. Please contact me and the AMSAT Systems Engineering team for mass, volume, power consumption, and heat generation requirements for your linear transponder board. We will provide you the interface specification to the IHU for control and ICB (Interconnect Control Board) for power distribution. Oh, and they're not 10 year olds, they are 22 year olds who are about 8 months away from receiving their Electrical Engineering or Computer Engineering or Mechanical Engineering or Systems Engineering or Industrial Engineering Degree from the State University of New York system. And there are 34 (thirty-four) of them working on the NextGen Project for AMSAT. I will gladly set up a conference call next week at 6PM EDT on Wednesday where you can talk with the Systems Engineering team to discuss the details of the requirements. We are scheduling the CDR (Critical Design Review) for the last week in January 2010. I expect you will be ready for this design review because since "such people exist" and they will have designs that meet the spacecraft's requirements. You must have the board ready for Systems Integration Test in Mid-March 2010. We will be putting the system on AMSAT's table at the Dayton Hamvention. Please have your prototype board budget and schedule ready for PDR (Preliminary Design Review) during the 2nd week of December, 2009. They are tight time frames but we are just doing evolutionary, not revolutionary changes to the design. We also have a team of 27 upper-division undergraduate senior Systems Engineers, university System Engineering professors and experienced professional Systems Engineers with multiple decades of industry experience working on the project. I suggest, you and anyone else who wishes to declare their intension to volunteer on a board project should read our presentation from the AMSAT Symposium. Alex Harvilchuck, N3NP/SO4NNP Program Manager, AMSAT NextGen Program -- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:37:44 -0500 From: Rocky Jones Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...) To: Cc: Amsat BB , k...@arrl.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:57:34 -0400 > > From: b...@innismir.net > > To: orbit...@hotmail.com > I wrote: > > > >> > > In my view better engineering doctrine would imply that we try and >> > > put the digital transponder ON ISS and let it "cook" there for a bit. >> > > > you replied > > Yup, that would be ideal, I'm nominating you to head that project. This > > is right up your alley, as since you and your friends within the JSC > > can navigate the political process easily. Lets run this in tandem with > > the ARISSSat project. > > > > Thanks for volunteering! > > > > -- > > Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA > > bbj innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/ > one has to wonder Ben why didnt they try it? There would have been a few more issues involved in terms of operating the thing on ISS other then just deploying it (mostly RF work)... but... as for me heading the project. I'd deep six the entire software defined transponder, put it on a development effort with some heavy program guidance...find some people who wanted to build linear transponders even if they were overseas (such people exist already) and start flying as many of those as possible. Right now what in my view the satellite community needs is a 100 percent Oscar 7 or 10...not some technological development issues. If I were king we would have something to offer the USAF if they had spare lift on a Centaur as they just had...remember the original Oscar's flew on USAF vehicles. in the meantime I will continue to keep my technical skills sharp (grin) by helping the 10 year olds put together a buoy that is going to float in Clear Lake... Robert WB5MZO ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Alaska Special Event Station
To all out there. I will be QRV on Satellites as KL5O, a special event station in celebration of Alaska's 50yrs of statehood. I was notified to participate just a short while ago. I was on some of the earlier passes. This event will go on until 10pm local time. QSL info is on the www.KL5O.com website. Special cards will be available. Hope to make contact with you. Dale-kl7xj ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] FN65 on AO-27 18Oct 1845z
Richard, N2SPI, is in FN65 and will operate on the next AO-27 pass at 1845z, 18 Oct. This was unplanned, hence the short notice. Good luck! 73, John K8YSE John Papay j...@papays.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:57:34 -0400 > From: b...@innismir.net > To: orbit...@hotmail.com I wrote: > > > In my view better engineering doctrine would imply that we try and > > put the digital transponder ON ISS and let it "cook" there for a bit. > you replied > Yup, that would be ideal, I'm nominating you to head that project. This > is right up your alley, as since you and your friends within the JSC > can navigate the political process easily. Lets run this in tandem with > the ARISSSat project. > > Thanks for volunteering! > > -- > Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA > bbj innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/ one has to wonder Ben why didnt they try it? There would have been a few more issues involved in terms of operating the thing on ISS other then just deploying it (mostly RF work)... but... as for me heading the project. I'd deep six the entire software defined transponder, put it on a development effort with some heavy program guidance...find some people who wanted to build linear transponders even if they were overseas (such people exist already) and start flying as many of those as possible. Right now what in my view the satellite community needs is a 100 percent Oscar 7 or 10...not some technological development issues. If I were king we would have something to offer the USAF if they had spare lift on a Centaur as they just had...remember the original Oscar's flew on USAF vehicles. in the meantime I will continue to keep my technical skills sharp (grin) by helping the 10 year olds put together a buoy that is going to float in Clear Lake... Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] THE DMSP launch
"We have a unique opportunity with the Atlas 5/DMSP launch, as DMSP is a relatively lighter spacecraft than many of those that fly on Atlas. For that reason, we have a tremendous amount of performance margin. That's certainly not the case for some future missions that Atlas will be flying. So we're taking advantage of the opportunity before us to use some of that excess performance margin on the Atlas 5," said Col. Michael Moran, the Atlas Group commander. to bad we didnt have something to use that excess performance...they flew ballast on the flight Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Rocky Jones wrote: > As it is, with the knowledge that suitsat 1 died on deployment...we would > never know if the transponder was just not working or wasnt put together well. I wonder if the misunderstandings I infer in the above sentence might be part of the basis of the disagreement on this list. It was my understanding that no transponder flew on SS1: rather the plan was to transmit SSTV and messages from kids, as well as some telemetry. Here is a typical document outlining the plan for the project: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/26jan_suitsat.htm Second, the word 'died' suggests that ground stations never received the signals from SS1. They did: even with my modest equipment I was able to reach this challenge. However, the signals were highly attenuated, and after two weeks they stopped altogether. Some of the fun that hams and educators had during this time is documented at: http://www.aj3u.com/blog/ A further point of fact that might inform this discussion: amateur software defined transponders have been under design by Bob and others for years. Granted, they were originally planned for P3-E and Eagle, but it is an exaggeration to suggest that something that has Howard Long first had working in 2005, and that Tom Clark W3IWI, Rick Hambly W2GPS, and Bob McGwier N4HY ran a QSO through in August, 2005 is not ready for prime-time. Hear that QSO at http://www.gpstime.com/files/amsat/Eagle_SDT_1st_Contact.mp3 73, Bruce VE9QRP ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: 2M1EUB/P VIA AO7 HAND HELD ANTS
> AMSAT ARE YOU LISTENING??? FOOT PRINT BEING IMPORTANT!! Of course we are. Satellites aren't launched on desire only. Earlier this year I was in contact with the only launch provider I could find who had launches to over 800km. They had no secondary opportunities available. A launch to 600 to 800 km for an AO-51 sized satellite would cost 400k to 800k dollars from all the providers we've spoken to. That's almost as unobtainable on our own as the 10 million for Intelsat or 7 million for P3E. I think our best chance to get back to a higher orbit is going to be hitching a ride on someone else's satellite, and we are actively pursuing this in several directions. If you work for someone who could, or know of an opportunity to carry a 1 or 2 kilo package to orbit, and provide us with ~5 watts of power, please email me privately with details. We have the hardware, as a direct result of the SuitSat-2/Arissat-1 effort. All we need is the ride. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
Rocky Jones wrote: > > That still doesnt answer the question of why on Suitsat 2 they should > fly a digital transponder. Actually, it does, you said the reasons yourself. > In my view better engineering doctrine would imply that we try and > put the digital transponder ON ISS and let it "cook" there for a bit. Yup, that would be ideal, I'm nominating you to head that project. This is right up your alley, as since you and your friends within the JSC can navigate the political process easily. Lets run this in tandem with the ARISSSat project. Thanks for volunteering! -- Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA bbj innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] 2M1EUB/P VIA AO7 HAND HELD ANTS
A BIG THANKS ! to every one who took place in the fun on ao7 mode b...i was working hand held ants at 2700' on a mountain top io87ie at the LECHT ski centre i had to give up in the end very high winds ,rain and cold 4 below this morning! i was so cold after 4 and half hours!!! big thank you to bob w7lrd for geting up early ...sorry we didnt make it...but one of these days we will ...thanks bob!! and thanks to every one elce who worked me...what a great old bird it is good transponder and good foot print !! AMSAT ARE YOU LISTENING??? FOOT PRINT BEING IMPORTANT!! 73 all ill still be active from io87mc for 7days...de paul ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: W7LRD to 2M1EUB/P via AO7 10/18
>Alkuperäinen viesti >Lähettäjä: gor...@gjcp.net >Päivämäärä: 18.10.2009 11:56 >Vastaanottaja: >Aihe: [amsat-bb] Re: W7LRD to 2M1EUB/P via AO7 10/18 > >On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 07:14 +, Bob- W7LRD wrote: >> >> That subject may be a bit optimistic. Bob and Paul will be trying to >> stretch the footprint. At the applicable passes between Scotland and >> Seattle. So when Seattle comes into the footpint a little bit of room >> would be appreciated. Remember, "if this were easy, everyone would be >> doing it!". >> > >>From the west coast of the US, to the east coast of the UK? That *is* >quite a stretch. I'm not even sure the satellite is over the horizon in >both locations at any point. > >Gordon MM0YEQ > >___ >Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > Hello Bob and Gordon, AO-7 is above the horizon in both locations on next pass (AOS here around 17:10 UTC). Bob, good luck in QSO attempt, I will be also monitoring from KP25 square! Mika, OH8MBN ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: According to Rocky Jones
> Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:44:57 + > From: ni...@ngunn.net > To: orbit...@hotmail.com > CC: amsat-bb@amsat.org > Subject: According to Rocky Jones > > I guesswe need to get you on the design/construction team to show the > "experts" how to do it. > the experts were very successful with Suitsat 1. Eagle worked out good as well didnt it? Suitsat 2...dellivered on time ...oh well not so much. ARISSsat or whatever it is...fourth time is a charm Robert WB5MZO _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: homemade arrow rotator motors
Hi Joe, I'm using geared motors (http://www.seefrid.de/images/dcgm43t42.pdf) that can easily be controlled by a PIC running PWM. Let me know and I can send you the schematic that I'm using to run those motors. BR, -- /\/\arc > -Original Message- > From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On > Behalf Of Joseph Armbruster > Sent: zondag 18 oktober 2009 15:53 > To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org > Subject: [amsat-bb] homemade arrow rotator motors > > All, > > I am working on designing a rotator that the arrow antenna can snap > into. I am aiming for this platform to be portable, so that it could > be packed up and taken to different events. The base of the system > will be a small circular rotating platform, that will provide a full > 360 degree of freedom. The 'arm' that will hold the antenna itself, > will provide elevation and roll control. I have seen a couple of > random videos online of people that have made rotators but I haven't > seen any that have the entire antenna mounted... or a system that > provides for a flexible amount of movement. I am interested in > talking to anyone that has hacked at something like this, in order to > discuss lessons learned. In addition, i'd like to find out which > motors you chose and why. The arrow antenna with the di-plexer weighs > roughly 2lbs. Right now, I am looking at two different companies that > provide stepper motors, namely: > > http://www.kelinginc.net > http://www.linengineering.com > > Joe > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the > author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite > program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] According to Rocky Jones
I guesswe need to get you on the design/construction team to show the "experts" how to do it. Rocky Jones wrote: > It is completely possible that AMSAT NA is so screwed in its technical > ability that it might not be possible to get NASA to let that happen...but > that would be a far better use of the transponder then tossing it out into > space and seeing what happens. > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Why do hamsats? (Or anything else...)
> > There are all sorts of reasons why flying digital transponders is a > good idea. Your cell phone (presuming you have one) > > 73 Mark K6HX > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Mark...yeap we have cellphones here in Clear Lake Texas...you know we can send email, pictures, do GPS tracking wow isnt it amazing. And over in Iraq cellphones (grin) would allow the Predators to send pictures where the bad people are so they can be "negated"...isnt ones and zeros great. Next time you fly on a commercial airliner you should ask the drivers to let you look up front...lots of digital stuff there. Dazzle the crew and ask them to point out the Flight management systems for you! That still doesnt answer the question of why on Suitsat 2 they should fly a digital transponder. In my view better engineering doctrine would imply that we try and put the digital transponder ON ISS and let it "cook" there for a bit. Think about that for a minute. OK why would that be a good idea? Because the setup should be easier, if something goes wrong with the setup then the "back room" (SPAN) at JSC should be able to send up "words" which can fix the issue...then any problems with the Transponder as it is used could be resolved...and if the entire thing goes tango uniform then it could be brought back to earth (down mass is easy) and looked at. As it is, with the knowledge that suitsat 1 died on deployment...we would never know if the transponder was just not working or wasnt put together well. It is completely possible that AMSAT NA is so screwed in its technical ability that it might not be possible to get NASA to let that happen...but that would be a far better use of the transponder then tossing it out into space and seeing what happens. Robert WB5MZO _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] I: homemade arrow rotator motors
Hi Joe You can see some picture may be interesting here http://195.43.189.179/yappa/index.php?album=%2FSatelliti%2F&page=1 73" Frank IW4DVZ -Messaggio originale- Da: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] Per conto di Joseph Armbruster Inviato: domenica 18 ottobre 2009 15.53 A: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Oggetto: [amsat-bb] homemade arrow rotator motors All, I am working on designing a rotator that the arrow antenna can snap into. I am aiming for this platform to be portable, so that it could be packed up and taken to different events. The base of the system will be a small circular rotating platform, that will provide a full 360 degree of freedom. The 'arm' that will hold the antenna itself, will provide elevation and roll control. I have seen a couple of random videos online of people that have made rotators but I haven't seen any that have the entire antenna mounted... or a system that provides for a flexible amount of movement. I am interested in talking to anyone that has hacked at something like this, in order to discuss lessons learned. In addition, i'd like to find out which motors you chose and why. The arrow antenna with the di-plexer weighs roughly 2lbs. Right now, I am looking at two different companies that provide stepper motors, namely: http://www.kelinginc.net http://www.linengineering.com Joe ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] homemade arrow rotator motors
All, I am working on designing a rotator that the arrow antenna can snap into. I am aiming for this platform to be portable, so that it could be packed up and taken to different events. The base of the system will be a small circular rotating platform, that will provide a full 360 degree of freedom. The 'arm' that will hold the antenna itself, will provide elevation and roll control. I have seen a couple of random videos online of people that have made rotators but I haven't seen any that have the entire antenna mounted... or a system that provides for a flexible amount of movement. I am interested in talking to anyone that has hacked at something like this, in order to discuss lessons learned. In addition, i'd like to find out which motors you chose and why. The arrow antenna with the di-plexer weighs roughly 2lbs. Right now, I am looking at two different companies that provide stepper motors, namely: http://www.kelinginc.net http://www.linengineering.com Joe ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] New Satellite Concept for Earth-Mars Comms
"Direct communication between Earth and Mars can be strongly disturbed and even blocked by the Sun for weeks at a time, cutting off any future human mission to the Red Planet. An ESA engineer working with engineers in the UK may have found a solution using a new type of orbit combined with continuous-thrust ion propulsion." Read the story at PhysOrg.com: http://www.physorg.com/news174907594.html -- Jeff, KE9V ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: satpc32 problems
No matter the solution, would you mind posting to the -BB also, Erich? I'm in the process of trying to finish an LVB and, if I run into the same problem this might be a good place to start. 73, Joel, W4JBB Erich Eichmann wrote: > Bob, > my answer to your mail from Oct. 16 has twice been returned by comcast.net. > The same happened with previous of my mails to you. > > In the returned message they say: > "A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > w7...@comcast.net > SMTP error from remote mailer after initial connection: > host mx2.comcast.net [76.96.30.116]: 554 > IMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net comcast 194.25.134.18 Comcast block for > spam. Please see http://help.comcast.net/content/faq/BL00 ". > > Under the link they say: > "Our filters have determined that email from your mail server has been sent > in patterns which are characteristic of spam.". > > Do you still have another e-mail address? > To be sure that you get this mail I send it also via AMSAT-BB. > > 73s, Erich, DK1TB > > - Original Message - > From: Bob- W7LRD > To: dk...@amsat.org > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:43 PM > Subject: Fwd: satpc32 problems > > > > > > > - Forwarded Message - > From: "Bob- W7LRD" > To: dk...@amsat.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:03:06 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: satpc32 problems > > > Hello Eric > > I hate to be a complainer but I am having ongoing issues with the program. > When tracking a satellite and driving the LVB tracker. More often than not > the LVB will stop tracking, while satpc continues. The only way I can get > everything back running (short of manual control) is to shut off the LVB, > turn it back on, restart satpc32 and then select the desired satellite. > Lately with AO51 being in mode L/U close accurate tracking is necessary due > to high gain antenna for 1.2ghz. I have been told there is no "hand shaking" > between the computer and LVB, so the LVB just receives the data. I have > reinstalled satpc32 and no change. I also get a note on the computer > "program not responding", then asked if I want to send a message to MS. > Could it be a windows issue?? Any advice is appreciated. > > 73 Bob W7LRD > > Seattle, Wa. > > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: ITAR is interesting to me
Someone mentioned waaay back in this discussion something about ITAR and international students being taught in the US. Read this article: http://slashdot.org/story/09/10/17/1948223/The-USs-Reverse-Brain-Drain Is there anyone left in our government with common sense any more? Wait... gah!!! I'm blinded by a flash of the obvious - NO, there is no one left in government with common sense. While I'll not get into the politics of ITAR (we're way beyond politics), perhaps we should get the ARRL involved in lobbying our effort. Before, you say, "That's a wonderful idea, why don't you take that one and try it." I am. I don't know the exact procedure for doing so, but I think a letter to my ARRL Division Manager might be a good start. 73, Joel, W4JBB k0...@juno.com wrote: > Greetings All: > > The Amsat BB is a great source of information we all know: > I have a few questions about ITAR that I thought might interest more than > I. > I tried to be careful of the words I used. > > 1.) Do all launched satellites that have US components or interests fall > under ITAR? > 2.) When does ITAR interest begin for a launchable Amateur satellite? > 3.) Is software and firmware that is a part of a Amateur satellite at > launch fall under ITAR? > 4.) Who normally handles University Cube Sat ITAR issues when Amateur > frequencies are used? > 5.) Who normally handles US Military school Cube-Sat ITAR issues when > Amateur frequencies are use ? > 6.) When is there no ITAR interest in a Amateur satellite? > 7.) Did Suitsat one or two (ARISSaT-1) have any ITAR problems since they > are satellites > using Amateur frequency? > > I have more ITAR related questions. > > Best Regards > > Joe K0VTY > > > Diet Help > Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=GQ3735iirkAKr3lhInn7tAAAJ1CmZcBa4CCYwgQDaZ1FJwo1AAYAAADNAAAYQAA= > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: W7LRD to 2M1EUB/P via AO7 10/18
On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 07:14 +, Bob- W7LRD wrote: > > That subject may be a bit optimistic. Bob and Paul will be trying to > stretch the footprint. At the applicable passes between Scotland and > Seattle. So when Seattle comes into the footpint a little bit of room > would be appreciated. Remember, "if this were easy, everyone would be > doing it!". > >From the west coast of the US, to the east coast of the UK? That *is* quite a stretch. I'm not even sure the satellite is over the horizon in both locations at any point. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] W7LRD to 2M1EUB/P via AO7 10/18
That subject may be a bit optimistic. Bob and Paul will be trying to stretch the footprint. At the applicable passes between Scotland and Seattle. So when Seattle comes into the footpint a little bit of room would be appreciated. Remember, "if this were easy, everyone would be doing it!". 73 Bob W7LRD Seattle, Wa. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
