[amsat-bb] Re: TS-2000 70cm Tx problem with AO 7
Hello Starr, Perhaps you can first try an update to the radio firmware. There was an early fix specifically for issues when the PC updates the frequencies while transmitting. http://www.kenwood.com/i/products/info/amateur/pop_ts2000.html You only need to update the most current version, and it fixes all previous issues. There is a PL tone fix, too, which is important for satellite work. I hope that fixes your problem! Please let us know. 73, Mark N8MH At 07:28 AM 1/17/2010 +0100, Mateusz wrote: Hallo Maybe it is pll unlock problem: http://www.hampedia.net/kenwood/ts-2000-pll-unlock-problems-solution.php Matt SQ7DQX - Original Message - From: Starr zl...@ihug.co.nz To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:07 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] TS-2000 70cm Tx problem with AO 7 Hi All, After a number of years of being inactive satellite (artificial) wise, I am having fun trying them out again. I have a TS-2000X, one of the earlier models, and I have just installed Version 5 of Ham Radio Deluxe in the shack computer, (great software), to control the radio The problem I have is; while transmitting on 70cm and the frequency is changing to compensate for Doppler change, the radio often stops and the display shows dashes in the places where the frequencies were shown. The power to the radio is recycled to get it working again. If my memory serves me correctly there was a fix mentioned for this problem a few years ago. Any help would be much appreciated. 73 Starr ZL3CU AMSAT ZL member ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Mark L. Hammond [N8MH] ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: TS-2000 70cm Tx problem with AO 7
Hi The referred to article is mine: http://www.pa3guo.com/pll_unlock.html When then the radio shows dots .. and you hear a U in morse code it is the (rara) PLL unlock issue. Firmware update does not help ps: Yahoo TS2000 groups have lot of info also Henk PA3GUO (loves his TS2000) ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Ongoing Spacecraft Systems RD @ BU
Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:11:46 -0500 From: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbren...@mindspring.com Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat! To: Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL vlfis...@mcn.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL wrote: Well, it certainly wasn't on FM. Why couldn't the next LEO be like a new AO-7 with modern technology? Why does the Board insist on cramming another single channel bird down our throats? We also have a university in the Northeast working on a 3U cubesat that will support a transponder powerwise. This was all laid out in the donation letter, as well as Barry's Apogee View in the Journal. As Andrew mentioned, here at the State University of New York @ Binghamton we've been working along on our goals as outlined at the Symposium and in the latest edition of the Journal: (a) We have revised the ARISSat Power Supply Unit, Backplane and Solar Panel Charge Controller designs to use Pseudocapacitors instead of traditional batteries. Based on a worse-case, 600km orbit, we can produce a whole-orbit power budget of 7.5 watts using a 3U CubeSat design. If a spacecraft is launched into a more optimal orbit, like a sun-synchronous orbit, one of the two Pseudocapacitor banks can be removed. The design can be scaled to be used with other classes of spacecraft - 2U/1U CubeSat, Microsats, etc. The design has gone through two reviews with AMSAT Engineering. (Thanks Lou, Barry Tony!) (b) We have a light-weight deployable solar panel design with integral magnetorquer coils for attitude control. The design contains original research and integrates CubeSat research from: * University of Delft (hinge concepts use of Dyneema wire) * University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (flex-circuit magnetorquers carbon-fiber substrate) * the Aerospace Corporation (thin-film attachment of solar cells) The design will produce about 12-15 watts per minute in any orientation (worse-case) for 3U, less with 2U or 1U If a spacecraft is launched into a more optimal orbit the number of solar cells can be reduced while maintaining the power budget (c) We have analyzed the existing AMSAT spacecraft modules (from ARISSat P3D) and determined that: * We can fit the SDX and U/V Linear Transponder systems from ARISSat into a 2U or 3U CubeSat Chassis without significant re-design * The IHU is going to be slightly redesigned to incorporate the Command Decoder board functions * We can reuse the base concepts from P3D for the Sun Earth Sensor Systems * We can reuse a 3-axis Magnetometer design (Honeywell) * If the ARISSat boards were redesigned/repackaged they could fit within a 1U Chassis. (d) Things to do between now and Dayton: * Complete thermal analysis of a baseline 3U spacecraft * Antenna design (based on U of Delft's spring steel U/V antenna deployment system) * Complete Attitude Determination Control (ADAC) integration (magnetorquers, sun/earth sensors magnetometer) * Finish building engineering model This RD, being performed by Engineering Students for their Senior Design projects (8 ME's/EE's + 26 SE's), is being sponsored by AMSAT. So I encourage everyone to contribute what you can to AMSAT to help fund spacecraft systems development and launch opportunities. If we have reliable, lower-cost, modular systems, then AMSAT can be more responsive to any launch opportunity. We'll have more info on the research we're doing in the next issue of the Journal and look for us at the AMSAT table in Dayton! Alex Harvilchuck, N3NP NextGen CubeSat Program Manager ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat!
Thanks to all who expressed an interest in the qso between WC7V and RN1NW on ao7b. I have hoped to make this contact for over 30 years. The fact that it happened is thanks to Oscar 7 and Ted, RN1NW was 559 even as ao7 approached his horizon. The satellite was ascending at my qth and at about 3 degrees at the end of our qso. The QSO took place on orbit #60960 at 16:08Z. I had heard RN1NW a couple of days prior but didn't make the contact. Because of ao7's history and bright future, I think any contact on this satellite is a record. Thanks again to RN1NW. 73 WC7V Kerry -- From: Pierre van Deventer pierr...@icon.co.za Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:01 PM To: 'Bob- W7LRD' w7...@comcast.net Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat! Congratulations to Kerry WC7V and Fedor RN1NW for their QSO of 7,654 km according to Tiny Locator. Hope to hear more details of the QSO, was it with CW or SSB? It would be nice to listen to the MP3 audio clip if there is one made. 73, Pierre ZS6BB -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bob- W7LRD Sent: 16 January 2010 21:40 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 feat! To break away from the current irrelevant thread. A momentous QSO from WC7V in DN45 to RN1NW in KP71 took place today on AO-7. The distance is about 7659 km. Great going guys! Stretching to foot print is always a challenge and fun. I now return you to the current round of bs. 73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat!
Hey Kerry, I couldn't agree with you more about AO-7 contacts. I feel very fortunate to have discovered the current fleet of amateur satellites in time to enjoy the Grand Old Girl. Congratulations on the wonderful contact. Here's to many more like it! 73, Tim - N3TL -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of kladuke1...@msn.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:52 AM To: Pierre van Deventer; 'Bob- W7LRD' Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat! Thanks to all who expressed an interest in the qso between WC7V and RN1NW on ao7b. I have hoped to make this contact for over 30 years. The fact that it happened is thanks to Oscar 7 and Ted, RN1NW was 559 even as ao7 approached his horizon. The satellite was ascending at my qth and at about 3 degrees at the end of our qso. The QSO took place on orbit #60960 at 16:08Z. I had heard RN1NW a couple of days prior but didn't make the contact. Because of ao7's history and bright future, I think any contact on this satellite is a record. Thanks again to RN1NW. 73 WC7V Kerry -- From: Pierre van Deventer pierr...@icon.co.za Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:01 PM To: 'Bob- W7LRD' w7...@comcast.net Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat! Congratulations to Kerry WC7V and Fedor RN1NW for their QSO of 7,654 km according to Tiny Locator. Hope to hear more details of the QSO, was it with CW or SSB? It would be nice to listen to the MP3 audio clip if there is one made. 73, Pierre ZS6BB -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bob- W7LRD Sent: 16 January 2010 21:40 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 feat! To break away from the current irrelevant thread. A momentous QSO from WC7V in DN45 to RN1NW in KP71 took place today on AO-7. The distance is about 7659 km. Great going guys! Stretching to foot print is always a challenge and fun. I now return you to the current round of bs. 73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat!
Same here Tim, since I've only been on the satellites since June 9, 2009 with Glenn AA5PK being my first contact, starting with homebrew antennas, old mobile dualbander. Now I have graduated into the linears where it is a different mindset compared to single channel birds. After almost 55 years in HR, truely another fun mode. I too am jealous of those upper lattitude and East coasters for the DX they are able to operate. 73 de John W6ZKH - Original Message - From: Tim - N3TL n...@bellsouth.net To: kladuke1...@msn.com, Pierre van Deventer pierr...@icon.co.za, Bob- W7LRD w7...@comcast.net Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 8:28:39 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat! Hey Kerry, I couldn't agree with you more about AO-7 contacts. I feel very fortunate to have discovered the current fleet of amateur satellites in time to enjoy the Grand Old Girl. Congratulations on the wonderful contact. Here's to many more like it! 73, Tim - N3TL -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of kladuke1...@msn.com Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:52 AM To: Pierre van Deventer; 'Bob- W7LRD' Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat! Thanks to all who expressed an interest in the qso between WC7V and RN1NW on ao7b. I have hoped to make this contact for over 30 years. The fact that it happened is thanks to Oscar 7 and Ted, RN1NW was 559 even as ao7 approached his horizon. The satellite was ascending at my qth and at about 3 degrees at the end of our qso. The QSO took place on orbit #60960 at 16:08Z. I had heard RN1NW a couple of days prior but didn't make the contact. Because of ao7's history and bright future, I think any contact on this satellite is a record. Thanks again to RN1NW. 73 WC7V Kerry -- From: Pierre van Deventer pierr...@icon.co.za Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:01 PM To: 'Bob- W7LRD' w7...@comcast.net Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 feat! Congratulations to Kerry WC7V and Fedor RN1NW for their QSO of 7,654 km according to Tiny Locator. Hope to hear more details of the QSO, was it with CW or SSB? It would be nice to listen to the MP3 audio clip if there is one made. 73, Pierre ZS6BB -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bob- W7LRD Sent: 16 January 2010 21:40 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 feat! To break away from the current irrelevant thread. A momentous QSO from WC7V in DN45 to RN1NW in KP71 took place today on AO-7. The distance is about 7659 km. Great going guys! Stretching to foot print is always a challenge and fun. I now return you to the current round of bs. 73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Members
At 12:03 PM 1/17/2010, Glen Zook wrote: ... Based on the consumer price index, the $50 that I spent for my life membership back around 1970 is today the equivalent of right at $3300! That is 66 times in absolute dollars. Compare that to the present life membership fee of $880. That means that we who obtained our life memberships back in the early 1970s paid 3.75 times what new life members are paying. If you don't believe these figures then do the calculations on the following website: http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/ ... Hi Glen, I appreciate your sentiment about the fact that AMSAT needed the money back then but I don't think your math is correct. $1 in 1970 is equivalent to around $5.50 - $6.00 in todays dollars depending on how you compare it. Using the Measuring Worth web site, the CPI equivalent value of $50 in 1970 is $277.17 in 2009 dollars. 73, Tony AA2TX AMSAT VP Engineering ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Many Thanks
To All: I have had many replies to my query concerning logging software that supports accurate transfer of log data to LoTW and eQsl in the ADI format. To keep the traffic low on the BBS, I have answered each of you via your own E addresses. In a public way I want to say thanks to each person who responded. You have been a great help to a fellow that doesn't know much about software choices. The AAlog is the one I choose and I have saved all other information for future reference. Many thanks to each of you. Louis, KD5GM CW ;-) The Original Digital ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Members
Glen. while I might quibble with some numbers, the sentiments you expressed are right on. The pejorative statements that a few made about life members (old etc) as well as the claim that people who are life members are making claims which are never stated, by saying that they are life members were completely inappropriate. It lacked knowledge and competence. In my view at least one of the BOD should have risen to the defense of the concept of life membership AND should have stated the obvious financial benefits to the organization of LM. While also urging all to participate in the LM concept. Have a great Sunday. Robert WB5MZO Life Member ARRL AMSAT Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 09:03:01 -0800 From: gz...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Life Members To: k...@live.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org; orbit...@hotmail.com Having been a life member (# 463) since the very early days when life membership was first offered I would like to point out that, back then, life membership wasn't that cheap. In today's dollars, not absolute dollars, is a pretty staggering sum! Based on the consumer price index, the $50 that I spent for my life membership back around 1970 is today the equivalent of right at $3300! That is 66 times in absolute dollars. Compare that to the present life membership fee of $880. That means that we who obtained our life memberships back in the early 1970s paid 3.75 times what new life members are paying. If you don't believe these figures then do the calculations on the following website: http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/ However, the cash influx to AMSAT, at the time, was definitely needed and the benefits from the life membership fees of today's olde tymers allowed AMSAT to accomplish a lot of things which would not have been possible without the influx of cash. Therefore, I caution those who think that life members are getting a free ride to stop and think about the true situation. If it had not been for the olde tyme life membership fees the organization would not be what it is today IF the organization was still in existence! We olde tymers happily paid a premium (when compared with the present value of the dollar) to support the organization. Today, many of us are on fixed incomes and without our life memberships many of us would not be able to afford continuing our memberships. When the going was tough, the tough got going and contributed a significant amount of money in terms of what the dollar is worth today. The result is that we paid our dues (pun intended) and AMSAT is still benefiting from our monentary contributions today. We made an investment in the organization and we certainly deserve to reap any benefits from that investment. Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239/LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.com _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Members
Probably a method more personal to one's finances is compare your paycheck at the time getting the life membership with what one is paid, today. If I do that for 1985 vs 2009 I get 92K/15K = 6.13 Of course It will not do for me to use 2010 pay as that is only Unemployment ;-) I still pay my full annual Amsat dues as I was not smart enough to get a life membership in early years. In July I will apply for my soc. sec. and try to live on 1/3 of working years pay. I do appreciate organizations that have a retired dues level. Of course for ham radio memberships that would be the majority - oops! 73, Ed - KL7UW At 09:54 AM 1/17/2010, Glen Zook wrote: If you use the calculator that I referenced you will come out with the figures that I quoted. There are several ways of measuring the worth and those are shown on the calculator. Using the consumer price index as the basis the figures are correct. Using other things as the basis you will definitely come up with different figures. Glen, K9STH Website: http://k9sth.com --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Anthony Monteiro aa...@comcast.net wrote: From: Anthony Monteiro aa...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Life Members To: Glen Zook gz...@yahoo.com, Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: aa...@comcast.net Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:27 AM At 12:03 PM 1/17/2010, Glen Zook wrote: ... Based on the consumer price index, the $50 that I spent for my life membership back around 1970 is today the equivalent of right at $3300! That is 66 times in absolute dollars. Compare that to the present life membership fee of $880. That means that we who obtained our life memberships back in the early 1970s paid 3.75 times what new life members are paying. If you don't believe these figures then do the calculations on the following website: http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/ ... Hi Glen, I appreciate your sentiment about the fact that AMSAT needed the money back then but I don't think your math is correct. $1 in 1970 is equivalent to around $5.50 - $6.00 in todays dollars depending on how you compare it. Using the Measuring Worth web site, the CPI equivalent value of $50 in 1970 is $277.17 in 2009 dollars. 73, Tony AA2TX AMSAT VP Engineering ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Members
Glen, When I use your calculator, I get Tony's results ($277.17). The following is copied directly from the web page results using initial year 1970, initial amount 50.00, and desired year 2009: Current data is only available till 2008. In 2008, $50.00 from 1970 is worth: $277.17 using the Consumer Price Index What numbers are you using with the calculator? I followed up with a sanity check on the numbers to make sure the results are reasonable. The $277 figure corresponds to an average compounded annual inflation rate of 6.3% over 28 years. Your $3300 figure corresponds to an average compounded annual inflation rate of 16.1% over 28 years. $50 * (1+0.063)**28 = $276.63 $50 * (1+0.161)**28 = $3,267.93 Since I don't believe we've averaged 16% annual inflation for the past 28 years, I believe the $277 is closer to the right answer. Steve, N9IP -- Steve Belter (s...@wintek.com) -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Glen Zook Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 1:55 PM To: Amsat BB; Anthony Monteiro Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Life Members If you use the calculator that I referenced you will come out with the figures that I quoted. There are several ways of measuring the worth and those are shown on the calculator. Using the consumer price index as the basis the figures are correct. Using other things as the basis you will definitely come up with different figures. Glen, K9STH Website: http://k9sth.com --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Anthony Monteiro aa...@comcast.net wrote: From: Anthony Monteiro aa...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Life Members To: Glen Zook gz...@yahoo.com, Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: aa...@comcast.net Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:27 AM At 12:03 PM 1/17/2010, Glen Zook wrote: ... Based on the consumer price index, the $50 that I spent for my life membership back around 1970 is today the equivalent of right at $3300! That is 66 times in absolute dollars. Compare that to the present life membership fee of $880. That means that we who obtained our life memberships back in the early 1970s paid 3.75 times what new life members are paying. If you don't believe these figures then do the calculations on the following website: http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/ ... Hi Glen, I appreciate your sentiment about the fact that AMSAT needed the money back then but I don't think your math is correct. $1 in 1970 is equivalent to around $5.50 - $6.00 in todays dollars depending on how you compare it. Using the Measuring Worth web site, the CPI equivalent value of $50 in 1970 is $277.17 in 2009 dollars. 73, Tony AA2TX AMSAT VP Engineering ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Members
I did the calculations twice and got the same $3300 figure! However, I just redid the calculations and got the much lower figure! I did use 1970 and 2009 as the years. Frankly, I have no idea as to why the different figures! Glen, K9STH Website: http://k9sth.com --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Glen Zook gz...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Glen Zook gz...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Life Members To: k...@live.com, Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org, Rocky Jones orbit...@hotmail.com Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:03 AM Having been a life member (# 463) since the very early days when life membership was first offered I would like to point out that, back then, life membership wasn't that cheap. In today's dollars, not absolute dollars, is a pretty staggering sum! Based on the consumer price index, the $50 that I spent for my life membership back around 1970 is today the equivalent of right at $3300! That is 66 times in absolute dollars. Compare that to the present life membership fee of $880. That means that we who obtained our life memberships back in the early 1970s paid 3.75 times what new life members are paying. If you don't believe these figures then do the calculations on the following website: http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/ However, the cash influx to AMSAT, at the time, was definitely needed and the benefits from the life membership fees of today's olde tymers allowed AMSAT to accomplish a lot of things which would not have been possible without the influx of cash. Therefore, I caution those who think that life members are getting a free ride to stop and think about the true situation. If it had not been for the olde tyme life membership fees the organization would not be what it is today IF the organization was still in existence! We olde tymers happily paid a premium (when compared with the present value of the dollar) to support the organization. Today, many of us are on fixed incomes and without our life memberships many of us would not be able to afford continuing our memberships. When the going was tough, the tough got going and contributed a significant amount of money in terms of what the dollar is worth today. The result is that we paid our dues (pun intended) and AMSAT is still benefiting from our monentary contributions today. We made an investment in the organization and we certainly deserve to reap any benefits from that investment. Glen, K9STH AMSAT 239/LM 463 Website: http://k9sth.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Membership
... my $50 membership thirty years ago is worth $1,000,000 in 2010 dollars ... All moot, of course. Your fifty bucks contributed years ago was exactly that - and nothing else - period. It was used back then - and any comparison to what it is worth today is valueless. What have you done for AMSAT recently? - is a much more appropriate discussion. Clint Bradford, K6LCS AMSAT President's Club member - for each of the past few years AMSAT benefactor ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Membership
Had not members contributed to AMSAT back in the early to mid 1970s there would probably not even be an AMSAT today! So soon people forget their roots! As for what I have personally contributed to AMSAT lately? Obviously you haven't read the September/October 2009 issue of the AMSAT Journal! Therein you will find an article on becoming a volunteer written by me. Not every AMSAT member has discretionary funds to contribute to the organization and quite a number of the early life members are now retired and, like myself, living on basically fixed incomes. My wife and I are not destitute, but we definitely have to budget our money. Looking at your biography page on QRZ.com I see that you have been licensed for a little over 15 years. Also, looking at your photograph posted on QRZ.com, I see that you have a fair number of years remaining in the workforce before entering the world of the retired. As such, you obviously have a fair amount of discretionary funds (since you have posted your relationship to the ARRL and that you are a benefactor of AMSAT reinforces this) which allows you to make financial contributions. That is fine. When I became a life member I was gainfully employed and was definitely above average in income. In fact, I was gainfully employed until 2002 when I acquired rheumatoid arthritis and became fully disabled. I have been fighting with a major insurance company for the benefits that they are supposed to be paying me and this has been ongoing for almost 8 years. Fortunately, Social Security agreed that I was disabled and has been paying me for close to 7 years. What Social Security is paying is definitely less than what I would be paid by the private insurance company, but it is at least something. Starting next month I will officially not be disabled but then retired. Although my wife and I receive payments that are much higher than what the average person gets from Social Security, the total amount received is considerably less than when I was employed. Considering that the majority of retirees are receiving considerably less money every month that what my wife and I receive, it is pretty easy to see that those persons have a very hard time making it on a daily basis. Those persons, when gainfully employed, generally did have at least some discretionary funds and could, if desired, contribute financially to AMSAT. Today, things are very different. It is the same with a lot of younger members who have lost their jobs. Those persons are in no condition to contribute financially to AMSAT. Yet you seem to think that the ability to give money is what is important. There are those life members who have been around for a while who do have both the skills and the time to contribute to AMSAT as volunteers. However, there are also life members who no longer have the physical ability which would allow them to contribute as volunteers today. According to your way of thinking, those persons should just be eliminated, forgetting the role that those same people have played in the past, because they no longer are in a position to contribute financially. At least in my opinion, such actions are very wrong! Without the financial support that those life members contributed in the past AMSAT would definitely NOT be the organization that it is today. In fact, there is a very good chance that the organization would not have survived the 40 years that is has. Frankly, I sincerely wonder what your position is going to be when you are retired, out of a job, or some similar situation. Glen, K9STH Website: http://k9sth.com --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Clint Bradford clintbra...@earthlink.net wrote: ... my $50 membership thirty years ago is worth $1,000,000 in 2010 dollars ... All moot, of course. Your fifty bucks contributed years ago was exactly that - and nothing else - period. It was used back then - and any comparison to what it is worth today is valueless. What have you done for AMSAT recently? - is a much more appropriate discussion. Clint Bradford, K6LCS AMSAT President's Club member - for each of the past few years AMSAT benefactor ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Membership
Clint Bradford wrote: ... my $50 membership thirty years ago is worth $1,000,000 in 2010 dollars ... All moot, of course. Your fifty bucks contributed years ago was exactly that - and nothing else - period. It was used back then - and any comparison to what it is worth today is valueless. What have you done for AMSAT recently? - is a much more appropriate discussion. I mean you no offense, but you miss the point completely. Of course, it is impossible to say with certainty what would have happened, it is pretty clear to me that without some very early members who thought well enough of the organization to contribute the additional money required to gain a life membership it is entirely possible, likely even, that AMSAT is a going entity wouldn't exist. Raising funds for a new organization, one without any track record, with lofty goals is hard enough in the best of times, and it becomes impossible without some sort of seed money, and seed money is always in short supply. With that in mind, I believe that, when put to an early life member, it is entirely reasonable to respond to your question What have you done for AMSAT recently with I have made it possible for you to make your contribution. I am not saying this to diminish your contributions (which I admit entirely put mine to shame) but to put them in perspective. It is a far different thing to help get something like AMSAT off the ground, and activity something I have some experience with, than it is to contribute to AMSAT with it's rich 40 year history. That makes early contributions worth far more than their absolute value even in constant dollars. When put to someone who bought his or her life membership much later, it is entirely appropriate to respond that purchasing a life membership gains an organization more money than buying an annual membership. It is appropriate because it is entirely true. Organizations do not offer lifetime memberships because certain of their members are so cheap they insist upon it. Instead, they offer them because it makes a great deal of business sense for them to do so. Not only do you lose the nontrivial administrative costs of billing and processing a payment every year, but you also gain positives like a predictable circulation for your newsletter (always good for selling ads) and the ability to invest the money, which you can't do with what you get from annual memberships. As far as the AUP goes, I have viewed this whole debate as something like a teapot-sized tempest. I read the AUP when it was first announced, and my perspective was probably a little bit different than most readers because in the 1990's I had a chance to draft a similar policy for an organization I was part of. That was an interesting experience in figuring out how to do the most good for the most people. I think AMSAT did a pretty good job with what they came up with. The guidelines are mostly positive (here's what we want to see) and the things that are forbidden are those that are, in my opinion, frankly indefensible. You can still talk smack about the BoD and complain that AMSAT's efforts are wrongly directed just like you've been able to since whenever this thing started. I can't imagine that the BoD thinks the AUP will protect them from harsh criticism. Instead, I think they're hoping to make amsat-bb more useful and, with some luck, less embarrassing. The thing is, you can still get into battles with those who tend to get under your skin, and you know who they are, and your best bet for dealing with those people will be, as it has always been, to let them have their say and ignore them the best you can. My rule is, Don't repeat yourself. If you don't have anything new to add to an discussion, then remaining silent is always good and nobody sees that as agreement. Of course, thanks to Usenet, I have a very powerful ignore reflex, so it may not be possible for everyone to take that advice. It will remain to be seen if the moderators have the courage to do their job well. I've also done that, and it's harder than you think. That's juts one opinion, worth what you paid for it. !DSPAM:117,4b538639187032152248392! ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Doppler correction - HRD 5.0 compared to SatPC32
Hello, I would like to share an experience and ask this board if others have the same? I have used Ham Radio Deluxe for two years but have recently switched to SatPC32. The reason is that the Doppler correction of HRD with my Yaesu FT-847 always gave problems. It was a constant battle to stay on frequentie. I would like to continue using HRD but the Doppler correction compared to SatPC32 is just bad. Now I wonder, are there others that use HRD that share this experience or is it something only occurs in combination with the Yaesu FT-847 and is there maybe a solution. 73 Jan - PE0SAT ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Membership
What have you done for AMSAT recently? - is a much more appropriate discussion. Clint Bradford, K6LCS AMSAT President's Club member - for each of the past few years AMSAT benefactor ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Of course...then we should ask how the board (or boards) have managed to be a satellite organization that is practically out of satellites. Robert WB5MZO Life Member _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] FW: AO-7 feat!
Congratulations Bob. You and Fedor managed to work a good distance via AO-7. 73, Piraja, PS8RF _ Com o Windows 7 nenhum arquivo vai se esconder de você. Clique para conhecer ! http://www.microsoft.com/brasil/windows7/default.html?WT.mc_id=1539 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
RE: [amsat-bb] AO-7 feat!
Congratulations Bob. You and Fedor managed to work a good distance via AO-7. 73, Piraja, PS8RF _ Agora é fácil compartilhar fotos no Messenger: solte todas na janelinha. Veja como! http://www.windowslive.com.br/public/tip.aspx/view/77?product=2ocid=CRM-WindowsLive:dicaCompartilhamentoFotos:Tagline:WLCRM:On:WL:pt-BR:Messenger ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Membership
... As for what I have personally contributed to AMSAT lately? Obviously you haven't read the September/October 2009 issue of the AMSAT Journal! No, I have. And you are to be lauded for your contributions to AMSAT. I am sorry if I inferred that monetary contributions were the only positive thing we can do for AMSAT. Clint Bradford, K6LCS ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Doppler correction - HRD 5.0 compared to SatPC32
Hi Jan, I have had consistently good success with the Doppler correction in HRD. I use it to guide either two FT-817NDs, or one 817 and a FT-857D. However, I have encountered issues with what I believe to be the load on the Atom processor in the Acer netbook I use. Even though Simon has noted here and elsewhere that the Satellite tracking program is now stand-alone in V 5.0, I cannot connect radios to it without first launching HRD and connecting to it. That appears to result in issues here. I have had the netbook lock up multiple times, including times when I was about to attempt some low-angle DX contacts on grand old AO-7. I continue to use SatPC 32 here because I don't have those lock-up issues with it. The program runs flawlessly for me, and I have seen posts here from other operators who have similar consistent success with SatPC 32 and the venerable FT-847. I continue to hope that some future version of HRD will, indeed, make it possible to use ONLY the satellite tracking program - without the need to first connect radios to HRD. It always has been possible for me to work digital modes through DM780 without launching HRD, so I hope that kind of independence will become part of the satellite tracking program in the future. 73, Tim - N3TL Athens, Ga. - EM84ha -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of PE0SAT Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 5:04 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Doppler correction - HRD 5.0 compared to SatPC32 Hello, I would like to share an experience and ask this board if others have the same? I have used Ham Radio Deluxe for two years but have recently switched to SatPC32. The reason is that the Doppler correction of HRD with my Yaesu FT-847 always gave problems. It was a constant battle to stay on frequentie. I would like to continue using HRD but the Doppler correction compared to SatPC32 is just bad. Now I wonder, are there others that use HRD that share this experience or is it something only occurs in combination with the Yaesu FT-847 and is there maybe a solution. 73 Jan - PE0SAT ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Life Members
All, With all the MATH wizards coming out of the closet, Do we have any calculations required to further the next satellite project? This thread seemed doomed from the start. We all gave the life membership at the time we thought AMSAT needed the extra monetary boost. Now if we can find those Rocket scientists and support the math required for them. . .(Good Luck Tony) Caution, rough roads ahead. 73, Dee, NB2F Life Member NJ NA AMSAT coordinator ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] I: Doppler correction - HRD 5.0 compared to SatPC32
Hi, SatPc32 works perfectly for doppler correction also on my Kenwood TS-790E and Yaesu FT-736R. Thank you to Erich DK1TB, great job ! 73 Frank IW4DVZ -Messaggio originale- Da: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] Per conto di PE0SAT Inviato: domenica 17 gennaio 2010 23.04 A: amsat-bb@amsat.org Oggetto: [amsat-bb] Doppler correction - HRD 5.0 compared to SatPC32 Hello, I would like to share an experience and ask this board if others have the same? I have used Ham Radio Deluxe for two years but have recently switched to SatPC32. The reason is that the Doppler correction of HRD with my Yaesu FT-847 always gave problems. It was a constant battle to stay on frequentie. I would like to continue using HRD but the Doppler correction compared to SatPC32 is just bad. Now I wonder, are there others that use HRD that share this experience or is it something only occurs in combination with the Yaesu FT-847 and is there maybe a solution. 73 Jan - PE0SAT ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
