[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced
It may not be good but it is typical in any organization these days that 10 to 20% do anything. Even in an election in a city, state or nation for that matter. John AG9D Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Stefan Wagener wagen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I guess the point is that only very few (less then 20%) determine the future of the organization (by voting). That is not good! Stefan VE4NSA On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Rick Tejera saguaroas...@cox.net wrote: Domenico, I'm pretty sure members have been assigned numbers sequentially since the early days. The membership number is can be thought of more as a seniority number, the lower the number, the longer you've been a member. So the highest number is the number of people who have at sometime held a membership. The actual number is diluted by SK's and folks who for whatever reason, let their membership lapse. Rick Tejera (K7TEJ) Saguaro Astronomy Club www.saguaroastro.org Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club www.w7tbc.org -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of i8cvs Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 19:08 To: Martha; l...@highnoonfilm.com; wa4...@gmail.com Cc: SAREX-BB; AMSAT-BB; Alan Biddle Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced - Original Message - From: Martha To: i8cvs Cc: Alan Biddle ; AMSAT-BB ; SAREX-BB Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced Domenico - AMSAT membership is approximately 3,000. -- 73- Martha Hi Martha, I trust in your figure of approximately 3,000. AMSAT-NA membership but please read on the bottom belove because I can't understand why Les Rayburn N1LF claim to be AMSAT #38965 I would like to know from Les N1LF what the above figure means..membership numbar or some other issue ? Thanks. 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: Les Rayburn l...@highnoonfilm.com To: AMSAT Mailing List amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Journal Latest Issue? Since joining AMSAT about three months ago, I've only received my initial copy of the AMSAT Journal (March/April 2013). Can anyone tell me if a later issue has shipped yet, or when I could expect to receive the next one? Hungry for everything I can read on the topic. Did receive my ordered copy of the Proceedings from the 30th Annual AMSAT-NA Space Symposium, and the 2013 edition of Getting Started with Amateur Satellites. Great stuff. Thanks as always. Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz Light ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Sent via sa...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/sarex ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [sarex] Re: Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced
The member number indicates how many people in the last 45 years have joined AMSAT. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Personal johna...@gmail.com wrote: It may not be good but it is typical in any organization these days that 10 to 20% do anything. Even in an election in a city, state or nation for that matter. John AG9D Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Stefan Wagener wagen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I guess the point is that only very few (less then 20%) determine the future of the organization (by voting). That is not good! Stefan VE4NSA On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Rick Tejera saguaroas...@cox.net wrote: Domenico, I'm pretty sure members have been assigned numbers sequentially since the early days. The membership number is can be thought of more as a seniority number, the lower the number, the longer you've been a member. So the highest number is the number of people who have at sometime held a membership. The actual number is diluted by SK's and folks who for whatever reason, let their membership lapse. Rick Tejera (K7TEJ) Saguaro Astronomy Club www.saguaroastro.org Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club www.w7tbc.org -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of i8cvs Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 19:08 To: Martha; l...@highnoonfilm.com; wa4...@gmail.com Cc: SAREX-BB; AMSAT-BB; Alan Biddle Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced - Original Message - From: Martha To: i8cvs Cc: Alan Biddle ; AMSAT-BB ; SAREX-BB Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced Domenico - AMSAT membership is approximately 3,000. -- 73- Martha Hi Martha, I trust in your figure of approximately 3,000. AMSAT-NA membership but please read on the bottom belove because I can't understand why Les Rayburn N1LF claim to be AMSAT #38965 I would like to know from Les N1LF what the above figure means..membership numbar or some other issue ? Thanks. 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: Les Rayburn l...@highnoonfilm.com To: AMSAT Mailing List amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:53 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Journal Latest Issue? Since joining AMSAT about three months ago, I've only received my initial copy of the AMSAT Journal (March/April 2013). Can anyone tell me if a later issue has shipped yet, or when I could expect to receive the next one? Hungry for everything I can read on the topic. Did receive my ordered copy of the Proceedings from the 30th Annual AMSAT-NA Space Symposium, and the 2013 edition of Getting Started with Amateur Satellites. Great stuff. Thanks as always. Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz Light ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Sent via sa...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/sarex ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- 73- Martha ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced
And if you let membership run out for a few years do you get your old number again? ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: [Starcom-bb] Great Morning for New Grids!
Also, Drew said he would be going to Cordele, Ga tonight and tomorrow and would be able to work the EM71/72 and EM81/82 grid line for those who needed it. Good luck all, Rick WA4NVM Drew, KO4MA was on from EM61/EM71 intersection this morning on the FO-29 pass (and I found him high in the passband first!) and Ron N8RO was operating portable from FM07! He had quite a pileup going more towards the center of the passband. Thanks to both these skilled and dedicated operators for being out there. Great to hear spirited activity on the birds! -- -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz Light ___ Starcom-bb bulletin board starcom...@star-com.net http://lists.star-com.net/listinfo/starcom-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Great Morning for New Grids!
ditto! Bob W7LRD - Original Message - From: Les Rayburn l...@highnoonfilm.com To: AMSAT Mailing List amsat-bb@amsat.org, starcom...@star-com.net Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:37:17 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Great Morning for New Grids! Drew, KO4MA was on from EM61/EM71 intersection this morning on the FO-29 pass (and I found him high in the passband first!) and Ron N8RO was operating portable from FM07! He had quite a pileup going more towards the center of the passband. Thanks to both these skilled and dedicated operators for being out there. Great to hear spirited activity on the birds! -- -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz Light ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] so long
I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
On 17/09/13 20:19, n0jy wrote: Dang. Now what are we going to do? Eat the fish left behind ? :) 73s Iain ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced
If you let your membership lapse, I try to find your original number in the database. If found, you will receive your old number. If not, you will get a new number. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: And if you let membership run out for a few years do you get your old number again? __**_ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bbhttp://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- 73- Martha ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: 2013 AMSAT Board of Directors Election Results Announced
In other words, might be wise to include your name as originally used and your previous call sign if it has changed. 73...bruce On 9/17/2013 10:17 AM, Martha wrote: If you let your membership lapse, I try to find your original number in the database. If found, you will receive your old number. If not, you will get a new number. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:48 AM, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: And if you let membership run out for a few years do you get your old number again? __**_ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bbhttp://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- Bruce Paige, KK5DO AMSAT Director Contests and Awards ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE Houston AMSAT Net - Wed 0100z on Echolink - Conference *AMSAT* Also live streaming MP3 at http://www.amsatnet.com Podcast at http://www.amsatnet.com/podcast.xml or iTunes Latest satellite news on the ARRL Audio News http://www.arrl.org AMSAT on Twitter http://www.twitter.com/amsat ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Apathy in the US
... I guess the point is that only very few (less then 20%) determine the future of the organization (by voting). That is not good! Stefan, in the United States, we are lucky to get 20 per cent to vote in many local, statewide, and national elections. It is embarrassing. It is irresponsible. But it is how lackadaisical this country has become when it comes to important matters. Personally, I do not see why fellow AMSAT members should only have this 20 per cent figure voting. Keep sending in your dues, non-voters. Keep AMSAT-NA in your wills. But don't you non-voters moan and complain when matters arise that you disagree with. You couldn't make the effort to affix a stamp and lick an envelope when the future of AMSAT-NA mattered. Don't show your face here and complain about a single thing AMSAT-NA is doing. Just my opinion, of course. Clint Bradford K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com -- Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.clintbradford.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Space Weather Affect on Satellites
MIT Study of interest to the satellite community: http://web.mit.edu/press/2013/space-weather-effects-on-satellites.html -- -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz Light ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Apathy in the US
Right on Clint John AG9D Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Clint Bradford clintbra...@earthlink.net Date: Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:22 am Subject: [amsat-bb] Apathy in the US To: amsat-bb@amsat.org, amsat-bb@amsat.org ... I guess the point is that only very few (less then 20%) determine the future of the organization (by voting). That is not good! Stefan, in the United States, we are lucky to get 20 per cent to vote in many local, statewide, and national elections. It is embarrassing. It is irresponsible. But it is how lackadaisical this country has become when it comes to important matters. Personally, I do not see why fellow AMSAT members should only have this 20 per cent figure voting. Keep sending in your dues, non-voters. Keep AMSAT-NA in your wills. But don't you non-voters moan and complain when matters arise that you disagree with. You couldn't make the effort to affix a stamp and lick an envelope when the future of AMSAT-NA mattered. Don't show your face here and complain about a single thing AMSAT-NA is doing. Just my opinion, of course. Clint Bradford K6LCS http://www.work-sat.com -- Clint Bradford, K6LCS http://www.clintbradford.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Space Weather Affect on Satellites
See, Now I finally know why my voice sounds so funny every time the sun burps :-) On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Les Rayburn l...@highnoonfilm.com wrote: MIT Study of interest to the satellite community: http://web.mit.edu/press/2013/**space-weather-effects-on-**satellites.htmlhttp://web.mit.edu/press/2013/space-weather-effects-on-satellites.html -- -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz Light __**_ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bbhttp://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Great Morning for New Grids!
Drew, KO4MA was on from EM61/EM71 intersection this morning on the FO-29 pass (and I found him high in the passband first!) and Ron N8RO was operating portable from FM07! He had quite a pileup going more towards the center of the passband. Thanks to both these skilled and dedicated operators for being out there. Great to hear spirited activity on the birds! -- -- 73, Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf 6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484 Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz Light ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
Dang. Now what are we going to do? On 9/17/2013 1:58 PM, John Becker wrote: I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
- Original Message - From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] so long I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John Hi John,W0JAB I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed his policy with only FM satellites. I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called the satellites for all and I invested a lot of money for equipments and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near future. In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and it was very nice until lasted. As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of membership. By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward. If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two ways communications between continents was not a satisfactory task. Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming rusty over the roof for very small or for nothingSorry ! 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a signal 6 feet underground? If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or win the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans launch P3D...it's been sitting around. Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for the example. John AG9D Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
the difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer! 73 Bob W7LRD - Original Message - From: Personal johna...@gmail.com To: John Becker w0...@big-river.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:12:00 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long How will we call you when the ice forms over hell or how do we send a signal 6 feet underground? If you want an AO 40 bird so bad, then make a couple million dollars or win the lottery and send it to AMSAT or find a way to help the Germans launch P3D...it's been sitting around. Nah...bitching and quitting...that's the way to get it done..thanks for the example. John AG9D Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:58 PM, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF? Any mode that requires infrastructure to operate is going to be this way. I'm sure you've experienced this on repeaters if you used them. Perhaps we need a kickstarter for the launch of P3E. 73 On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John __**_ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bbhttp://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- Best regards, Patrick Green ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
Hi Domenico, I am not sure if I understand your post: As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of membership. As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly it. during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward. Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid! So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly. To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post: Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community. I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies, fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime. Rest my case, Stefan VE4NSA On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs domenico.i8...@tin.it wrote: - Original Message - From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] so long I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John Hi John,W0JAB I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed his policy with only FM satellites. I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called the satellites for all and I invested a lot of money for equipments and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near future. In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and it was very nice until lasted. As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of membership. By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward. If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two ways communications between continents was not a satisfactory task. Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming rusty over the roof for very small or for nothingSorry ! 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
Like this Kickstarter project which was underfunded : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597141632/cat-a-thruster-for-interplanetary-cubesats We hope. 73, Adrian AA5UK From: Patrick Green pagr...@gmail.com To: Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 3:14 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: so long Isn't this the reason why hams end up on HF? Any mode that requires infrastructure to operate is going to be this way. I'm sure you've experienced this on repeaters if you used them. Perhaps we need a kickstarter for the launch of P3E. 73 On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:58 PM, John Becker w0...@big-river.net wrote: I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John __**_ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/**listinfo/amsat-bbhttp://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- Best regards, Patrick Green ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Stefan, I second the comments . I brace myself every time I go to a hamfest to represent AMSAT. I would say I spend 75% of my time getting told that we are a bunch of morons and how the person complaining used to be a member but will never join again because we don't have a HEO bird. I spend time, politely too, with them explaining the world has changed in terms of launch cost and ask them if they have any ideas on how we can raise the money, that usually sends them on their way. I came to a great revelation this year looking back on my time as a club president, secretary and one of the 10% that actually does something other than complain and came to the conclusion that 75% of the rank and file hams want to open a box, sit in a chair, plug it in and yak in a microphone and complain. The other 25% are involved in experimentation, construction, education and pushing the service forward. The last time I checked, moaning and complaining to another ham who does nothing but complain doesn't get anything done. I should think that if there was anyone reading this mail service that had $10M to spare, they would have bought the launch by now. But go ahead and keep crying to the same group, maybe there's a recent lottery winner here. John AG9D On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Stefan Wagener wagen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Domenico, I am not sure if I understand your post: As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of membership. As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly it. during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward. Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid! So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly. To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post: Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community. I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies, fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime. Rest my case, Stefan VE4NSA On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs domenico.i8...@tin.it wrote: - Original Message - From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] so long I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John Hi John,W0JAB I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed his policy with only FM satellites. I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called the satellites for all and I invested a lot of money for equipments and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near future. In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and it was very nice until lasted. As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of membership. By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward. If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two ways communications between continents was not a satisfactory task. Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming rusty over the roof for very small or for nothingSorry ! 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
John, 1) I too pine for the HEO birds. 2) I have little interest in single-channel FM-only satellites But! 1) LEO birds are better than no birds at all. The early OSCARS were all LEO and without the learning curve they provided, we would probably never have launched AO-10 and AO-13. The challenges nowadays may be different (financial rather than technological) but in time we will hopefully overcome them. 2) From what I gather simply by reading this list, the majority of transponders flying are linear (NOT single-channel FM) and the same is true for the majority of transponders in the pipe. I respect your decision to drop out of the list and wish you well. Regards... -- 73, de Gus 8P6SM Barbados, the easternmost isle. On 09/17/2013 02:58 PM, John Becker wrote: I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as well as other joining AMSAT in the first place. Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40 happens. John ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: so long
I made my first satellite contact in 1993, a year after I was first licensed. That first contact was due to a lot of elmering by Walt, KA6VNU, and the skill of Mel, KW7E, on the other end of the contact. Since then I have made countless contacts on my own, elmered others through their first contacts, and learned something from each and every one. New puzzles were answered by the many generous and knowledgeable participants in this bulletin board, including you. I've had an incredible experience, and it's not over yet. I hardly call that nothing. Greg KO6TH i8cvs wrote: Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming rusty over the roof for very small or for nothingSorry ! ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
