[amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2013-10-23 Thread Greg D
Interesting... Does anyone else find it odd (or possibly irresponsible) 
to put a satellite allocation right up against the band edge. Didn't 
they consider Doppler shift? That renders the lower 3+ khz of a 25 khz 
slice unusable. Or is this only for NSS use?


Greg KO6TH


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New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan
http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/22/new-satellite-segment-in-iaru-region-2-bandplan/

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[amsat-bb] Fwd: [isrohams] ISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission in facebook!

2013-10-23 Thread Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS]
Friends,
Herewith enclosing the mail from my club member and colleague, who is also the 
'Project Manager' for the Indian Mars Orbiter Mission regarding the 'Official 
ISRO's Facebook Page'.  Kindly like the page, and promote it among your 
colleagues, friends and family members.

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Subject: [isrohams] ISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission in facebook!

Dear All,

The official facebook page 'ISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission' is alive!
The link is 
https://www.facebook.com/pages/ISROs-Mars-Orbiter-Mission/1384015488503058
Kindly like the page, and promote it among your colleagues, friends and family 
members. 

Regards,

Rama Murali G K
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[amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2013-10-23 Thread Graham Shirville
Hi Greg,

Please have a look at Footnote 1 at the bottom of the 2 metre bandplan:

1 - Designers and operators of satellites using this section shall not 
transmit below 144,0025 MHz so that a necessary guard band is provided at the 
bottom band edge.”

This shows that it has been thought about and probably means that it could be 
used for a nominally 20kHz bandwidth transponder – so long as it has decent 
filtering on board which is relatively easy to achieve these days!

Of course there are very very few “empty spaces” in the 144-146MHz band and 
even fewer that have any sort of existing international alignment. 

thanks

Graham
G3VZV

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From: Greg D 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:07 AM 
To: AMSAT BB 
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan 

Interesting... Does anyone else find it odd (or possibly irresponsible) 
to put a satellite allocation right up against the band edge. Didn't 
they consider Doppler shift? That renders the lower 3+ khz of a 25 khz 
slice unusable. Or is this only for NSS use?

Greg KO6TH


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 New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan
 http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/22/new-satellite-segment-in-iaru-region-2-bandplan/
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[amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2013-10-23 Thread Stefan Wagener
and for most of the directional antennas currently being used and tuned
for the higher Sat 2m frequencies this means bad VSWR.


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Graham Shirville 
g.shirvi...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Hi Greg,

 Please have a look at Footnote 1 at the bottom of the 2 metre bandplan:

 1 - Designers and operators of satellites using this section shall not
 transmit below 144,0025 MHz so that a necessary guard band is provided at
 the bottom band edge.”

 This shows that it has been thought about and probably means that it could
 be used for a nominally 20kHz bandwidth transponder – so long as it has
 decent filtering on board which is relatively easy to achieve these days!

 Of course there are very very few “empty spaces” in the 144-146MHz band
 and even fewer that have any sort of existing international alignment.

 thanks

 Graham
 G3VZV

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 From: Greg D
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:07 AM
 To: AMSAT BB
 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

 Interesting... Does anyone else find it odd (or possibly irresponsible)
 to put a satellite allocation right up against the band edge. Didn't
 they consider Doppler shift? That renders the lower 3+ khz of a 25 khz
 slice unusable. Or is this only for NSS use?

 Greg KO6TH


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  New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan
 
 http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/22/new-satellite-segment-in-iaru-region-2-bandplan/
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[amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2013-10-23 Thread Joe

My first thought was, U, Just for Region 2?

Hello a Sat goes everywhere! All Regions! Hello?

Shouldn't a rule in this service be for the whole world since the bird 
is going to be above the whole world.


What is a new bird going by these new laws shut off when above 1 or 3?

Duh?

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On 10/23/2013 1:07 AM, Greg D wrote:
Interesting... Does anyone else find it odd (or possibly 
irresponsible) to put a satellite allocation right up against the band 
edge. Didn't they consider Doppler shift? That renders the lower 3+ 
khz of a 25 khz slice unusable. Or is this only for NSS use?


Greg KO6TH


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New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan
http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/22/new-satellite-segment-in-iaru-region-2-bandplan/ 


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[amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2013-10-23 Thread Stefan Wagener
Hi Joe,

they might not be turned off, but turned on! Some satellites are only
turned on over certain regions.

Stefan


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Joe n...@mwt.net wrote:

 My first thought was, U, Just for Region 2?

 Hello a Sat goes everywhere! All Regions! Hello?

 Shouldn't a rule in this service be for the whole world since the bird is
 going to be above the whole world.

 What is a new bird going by these new laws shut off when above 1 or 3?

 Duh?

 Joe WB9SBD
 Sig
 The Original Rolling Ball Clock
 Idle Tyme
 Idle-Tyme.com
 http://www.idle-tyme.com

 On 10/23/2013 1:07 AM, Greg D wrote:

 Interesting... Does anyone else find it odd (or possibly irresponsible)
 to put a satellite allocation right up against the band edge. Didn't they
 consider Doppler shift? That renders the lower 3+ khz of a 25 khz slice
 unusable. Or is this only for NSS use?

 Greg KO6TH


 M5AKA wrote:

 New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan
 http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/**22/new-satellite-segment-in-**
 iaru-region-2-bandplan/http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/22/new-satellite-segment-in-iaru-region-2-bandplan/

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[amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2013-10-23 Thread Graham Shirville
Fear notthis is being covered by similar bandplan changes in R1 R2 as well
Cheers 
Graham 
G3VZV

-Original Message-
From: Joe n...@mwt.net
Sent: ‎23/‎10/‎2013 15:37
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

My first thought was, U, Just for Region 2?

Hello a Sat goes everywhere! All Regions! Hello?

Shouldn't a rule in this service be for the whole world since the bird 
is going to be above the whole world.

What is a new bird going by these new laws shut off when above 1 or 3?

Duh?

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 10/23/2013 1:07 AM, Greg D wrote:
 Interesting... Does anyone else find it odd (or possibly 
 irresponsible) to put a satellite allocation right up against the band 
 edge. Didn't they consider Doppler shift? That renders the lower 3+ 
 khz of a 25 khz slice unusable. Or is this only for NSS use?

 Greg KO6TH


 M5AKA wrote:
 New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan
 http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/22/new-satellite-segment-in-iaru-region-2-bandplan/
  

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[amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2013-10-23 Thread Bill Ress
Graham - Thanks for your efforts with the IARU in starting the movement 
to get the additional satellite segment. I know a lot of work on your 
part and others on your team went into getting this to happen after many 
years of discussions. As I understand it, work is under way to 
harmonized this new segment with all regions so no need for satellite 
turn off-on issues.


I wish folks would see the additional satellite segment as a big plus in 
off loading a little pressure for 145.8 to 146 MHz instead of being 
concerned with possible negatives - which I don't see. Golly, we can use 
every little bit of spectrum.


Thanks again...Bill - N6GHz

On 10/23/2013 7:47 AM, Graham Shirville wrote:

Fear notthis is being covered by similar bandplan changes in R1 R2 as well
Cheers
Graham
G3VZV

-Original Message-
From: Joe n...@mwt.net
Sent: ‎23/‎10/‎2013 15:37
To: amsat-bb@amsat.org amsat-bb@amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

My first thought was, U, Just for Region 2?

Hello a Sat goes everywhere! All Regions! Hello?

Shouldn't a rule in this service be for the whole world since the bird
is going to be above the whole world.

What is a new bird going by these new laws shut off when above 1 or 3?

Duh?

Joe WB9SBD
Sig
The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 10/23/2013 1:07 AM, Greg D wrote:

Interesting... Does anyone else find it odd (or possibly
irresponsible) to put a satellite allocation right up against the band
edge. Didn't they consider Doppler shift? That renders the lower 3+
khz of a 25 khz slice unusable. Or is this only for NSS use?

Greg KO6TH


M5AKA wrote:

New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan
http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/22/new-satellite-segment-in-iaru-region-2-bandplan/


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[amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

2013-10-23 Thread Stefan Wagener
Hi Bill,

I believe folks actually see the value and yes appreciate it. The point is
communication. The more information is shared the better and the more
questions raised the better. It helps to fine tune the issue and allows for
an exchange of information, clearing up misconceptions, and sometimes even
points to issues that can be adressed :-) That's what this list is all
about.

73, Stefan, VE4NSA


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Bill Ress b...@hsmicrowave.com wrote:

 Graham - Thanks for your efforts with the IARU in starting the movement to
 get the additional satellite segment. I know a lot of work on your part and
 others on your team went into getting this to happen after many years of
 discussions. As I understand it, work is under way to harmonized this new
 segment with all regions so no need for satellite turn off-on issues.

 I wish folks would see the additional satellite segment as a big plus in
 off loading a little pressure for 145.8 to 146 MHz instead of being
 concerned with possible negatives - which I don't see. Golly, we can use
 every little bit of spectrum.

 Thanks again...Bill - N6GHz


 On 10/23/2013 7:47 AM, Graham Shirville wrote:

 Fear notthis is being covered by similar bandplan changes in R1 R2
 as well
 Cheers
 Graham
 G3VZV

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 From: Joe n...@mwt.net
 Sent: 23/10/2013 15:37
 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org amsat-bb@amsat.org
 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan

 My first thought was, U, Just for Region 2?

 Hello a Sat goes everywhere! All Regions! Hello?

 Shouldn't a rule in this service be for the whole world since the bird
 is going to be above the whole world.

 What is a new bird going by these new laws shut off when above 1 or 3?

 Duh?

 Joe WB9SBD
 Sig
 The Original Rolling Ball Clock
 Idle Tyme
 Idle-Tyme.com
 http://www.idle-tyme.com
 On 10/23/2013 1:07 AM, Greg D wrote:

 Interesting... Does anyone else find it odd (or possibly
 irresponsible) to put a satellite allocation right up against the band
 edge. Didn't they consider Doppler shift? That renders the lower 3+
 khz of a 25 khz slice unusable. Or is this only for NSS use?

 Greg KO6TH


 M5AKA wrote:

 New Satellite Segment in IARU Region 2 Bandplan
 http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/**22/new-satellite-segment-in-**
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[amsat-bb] TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread Joshua Abraham
This is a bit outside of the realm of traditional amateur satellite
launches but I found it to be very interesting nonetheless. Some fans of a
popular scifi show have raised the money to launch a replica of the show's
time-and-space traveling ship into orbit this fall. From what I know of it
so far, it will but a fully functioning sat within a very unusual chassis
and will feature a GoPro camera mounted inside with the intention to
transmit photos back to earth. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble finding
any real technical information on this blue bird but maybe someone here
knows more about it? All I could find was a very brief spec sheet.
Here's a link to their KickStarter page as well as their official website.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/573935592/were-putting-a-tardis-into-orbit-really
http://tardisinorbit.com/

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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread Paul Stoetzer
Wonder if we can get a bunch of Star Trek fans to pay for a replica
Enterprise launched into HEO. Perhaps the navigational deflector can be a
high gain S-band downlink antenna.

73,

Paul, N8HM


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Joshua Abraham jarvi...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is a bit outside of the realm of traditional amateur satellite
 launches but I found it to be very interesting nonetheless. Some fans of a
 popular scifi show have raised the money to launch a replica of the show's
 time-and-space traveling ship into orbit this fall. From what I know of it
 so far, it will but a fully functioning sat within a very unusual chassis
 and will feature a GoPro camera mounted inside with the intention to
 transmit photos back to earth. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble finding
 any real technical information on this blue bird but maybe someone here
 knows more about it? All I could find was a very brief spec sheet.
 Here's a link to their KickStarter page as well as their official website.

 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/573935592/were-putting-a-tardis-into-orbit-really
 http://tardisinorbit.com/

 -73, Joshua KJ4VYR
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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread M5AKA
Hi Joshua, 


The antenna looks 145/437 doesn't it. They are manifested on an Interorbital 
Systems launch http://www.interorbital.com/ but when the launch will take place 
is unknown, presumably a year or more from now. 

It's a 310 km orbit so would only operate for a few weeks before burning up.

73 Trevor M5AKA




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This is a bit outside of the realm of traditional amateur satellite
launches but I found it to be very interesting nonetheless. Some fans of a
popular scifi show have raised the money to launch a replica of the show's
time-and-space traveling ship into orbit this fall. From what I know of it
so far, it will but a fully functioning sat within a very unusual chassis
and will feature a GoPro camera mounted inside with the intention to
transmit photos back to earth. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble finding
any real technical information on this blue bird but maybe someone here
knows more about it? All I could find was a very brief spec sheet.
Here's a link to their KickStarter page as well as their official website.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/573935592/were-putting-a-tardis-into-orbit-really
http://tardisinorbit.com/

-73, Joshua KJ4VYR
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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread M5AKA
 Wonder if we can get a bunch of Star Trek fans to pay for a replica 
 Enterprise launched into HEO. 

It certainly shows the power of crowd-funding doesn't it. 

$88,880 raised in just 30 days, for box similar in size to a 3U CubeSat that 
has a flashing blue LED on top (the most important part is that LED ;-) and 
which even if the launch is successful will only stay in orbit for 3 or 4 weeks.


Bottom line is that, if given the chance, people are prepared to donate large 
sums of money to be involved in something to do with space.

Your idea of an Enterpise replica is great, but all it really needs to be is a 
tiny model Enterprise that is ejected out of a 3U CubeSat.

Although I hate to say it StarTrek has a far bigger fan following than Dr. Who 
so the money raised could be proportionally greater.

73 Trevor M5AKA




On , M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
Hi Joshua, 


The antenna looks 145/437 doesn't it. They are manifested on an Interorbital 
Systems launch http://www.interorbital.com/ but when the launch will take place 
is unknown, presumably a year or more from now. 

It's a 310 km orbit so would only operate for a few weeks before burning up.

73 Trevor M5AKA



On Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 18:36, Joshua Abraham jarvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
This is a bit outside of the realm of traditional amateur satellite
launches but I found it to be very interesting nonetheless. Some fans of
 a
popular scifi show have raised the money to launch a replica of the show's
time-and-space traveling ship into orbit this fall. From what I know of it
so far, it will but a fully functioning sat within a very unusual chassis
and will feature a GoPro camera mounted inside with the intention to
transmit photos back to earth. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble finding
any real technical information on this blue bird but maybe someone here
knows more about it? All I could find was a very brief spec sheet.
Here's a link to their KickStarter page as well as their official website.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/573935592/were-putting-a-tardis-into-orbit-really
http://tardisinorbit.com/

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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread Joshua Abraham
Well that's certainly a shame. But I think the group sending it up is
unaware that it's going to burn up
 within a few weeks. The whole push for funding was that donators could
have personal data loaded on to the sat for posterity. Not much point to
that if it's going to be promptly destroyed in a number of days.
73, Joshua KJ4VYR


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 Hi Joshua,

 The antenna looks 145/437 doesn't it. They are manifested on an
 Interorbital Systems launch http://www.interorbital.com/ but when the
 launch will take place is unknown, presumably a year or more from now.

 It's a 310 km orbit so would only operate for a few weeks before burning
 up.

 73 Trevor M5AKA


On Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 18:36, Joshua Abraham 
 jarvi...@gmail.com wrote:
   This is a bit outside of the realm of traditional amateur satellite
 launches but I found it to be very interesting nonetheless. Some fans of a
 popular scifi show have raised the money to launch a replica of the show's
 time-and-space traveling ship into orbit this fall. From what I know of it
 so far, it will but a fully functioning sat within a very unusual chassis
 and will feature a GoPro camera mounted inside with the intention to
 transmit photos back to earth. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble finding
 any real technical information on this blue bird but maybe someone here
 knows more about it? All I could find was a very brief spec sheet.
 Here's a link to their KickStarter page as well as their official website.

 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/573935592/were-putting-a-tardis-into-orbit-really
 http://tardisinorbit.com/

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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread M5AKA
I see the Miami Herald reports that radio amateurs are using crowd-funding for 
a Near Space balloon launch by Charleston students. Looks a good educational 
project.


http://amsat-uk.org/2013/10/23/south-charleston-high-students-to-launch-satellite/

73 Trevor M5AKA




On Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 19:25, Joshua Abraham jarvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Well that's certainly a shame. But I think the group sending it up is unaware 
that it's going to burn up
 within a few weeks. The whole push for funding was that donators could have 
personal data loaded on to the sat for posterity. Not much point to that if 
it's going to be promptly destroyed in a number of days.
73, Joshua KJ4VYR




On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:59 PM, M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi Joshua, 



The antenna looks 145/437 doesn't it. They are manifested on an Interorbital 
Systems launch http://www.interorbital.com/ but when the launch will take 
place is unknown, presumably a year or more from now. 


It's a 310 km orbit so would only operate for a few weeks before burning up.


73 Trevor M5AKA



On Wednesday, 23 October 2013, 18:36, Joshua Abraham jarvi...@gmail.com 
wrote:
 
This is a bit outside of the realm of traditional amateur satellite
launches but I found it to be very interesting nonetheless. Some fans of
 a
popular scifi show have raised the money to launch a replica of the show's
time-and-space traveling ship into orbit this fall. From what I know of it
so far, it will but a fully functioning sat within a very unusual chassis
and will feature a GoPro camera mounted inside with the intention to
transmit photos back to earth. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble finding
any real technical information on this blue bird but maybe someone here
knows more about it? All I could find was a very brief spec sheet.
Here's a link to their KickStarter page as well as their official website.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/573935592/were-putting-a-tardis-into-orbit-really
http://tardisinorbit.com/

-73, Joshua
 KJ4VYR

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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread Rob
$33,000 isn't a lot of money  I mean for a community project ... no I
don't have $33K to kick in ... but maybe I have $100 for LEO cube sat with
a linear transponder  in an orbit that lasts more than 3 weeks 

Let's say launch is $33K and satellite costs are another $10K ... $43K Total

That's 430 people contributing $100  or 860 people contributing $50
 I've seen High School fundraisers at this level.
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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space

2013-10-23 Thread DJ Nise
Maybe everyone needs to hold a good ol' fashioned fund-raiser, with people 
going door-to-door, asking for donations. 
 
Start this on January 1, 2014, and end it on December 31. Calculate all the 
earnings, and bring it to whoever can get the project underway, and launched.
 
We could probably litter LEO, MEO, and HEO with FM birds, or whatever flavors 
we like. 
At the very least, we need replacements for AO-51 and HO-68. 
  
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[amsat-bb] Re: Fwd: [isrohams] ISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission infacebook!

2013-10-23 Thread Mani [VU2WMY/KJ6LRS]

Hi Andy,
Thanks for your good and kind wishes.

73 de

Mani VU2WMY/KJ6LRS


Quoting andy thomas andythomasm...@yahoo.co.uk:


Fantastic news! Wishing all a successful launch and happy landings on Mars!

73 de andy G0SFJ






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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread John Stephensen

You could donate to the FOX-2 project.

73,

John
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$33,000 isn't a lot of money  I mean for a community project ... no I
don't have $33K to kick in ... but maybe I have $100 for LEO cube sat with
a linear transponder  in an orbit that lasts more than 3 weeks 


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[amsat-bb] Re: TARDIS in Space.

2013-10-23 Thread Rob
What is the funding goal for FOX-2 ?

How much has been collected so far?
On Oct 23, 2013 11:17 PM, John Stephensen kd6...@comcast.net wrote:

 You could donate to the FOX-2 project.

 73,

 John
 KD6OZH

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 $33,000 isn't a lot of money  I mean for a community project ... no I
 don't have $33K to kick in ... but maybe I have $100 for LEO cube sat with
 a linear transponder  in an orbit that lasts more than 3 weeks 



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