[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???

[Alan]

Robert,

 >>Volunteering for AMSAT ...

No, but placing volunteers successfully is very similar when we are talking 
about technical rather
than non-specialized social service, which is the point I was addressing.  An 
important distinction,
not a "non inquisitor" sentence.  :)

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA




-Original Message-
From: R Oler [mailto:orbit...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 11:51 AM
To: apbid...@mailaps.org; 'Tom Lubbers K8TL'; Amsat BB
Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???

This in many ways mirrors
corporate and educational hiring."

A non inquisitor sentence

Volunteering for AMSAT (or the Boy Scouts or insert volunteer group here)
is not "hiring"  and it certainly is not corporate or educational
hiring.  

Robert WB5MZO 


> From: wa4...@gmail.com
> To: k...@earthlink.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:47:45 -0500
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
> 
> Tom,
> 
> It IS true that AMSAT is always looking for volunteers. And we have an 
> amazing number working on
> projects ranging from Fox to the day to day operations. However messily, the 
> recruiting process
> works. However, in most cases it comes from someone with a specific skill, 
> contacting a specific
> individual, about a specific project. In other cases, the person needing help 
> contacts someone who
> they know who is a good fit, or based on a trusted recommendation. This in 
> many ways mirrors
> corporate and educational hiring.
> 
> What you are talking about are the generic "I want to work for AMSAT, what 
> can I do?" volunteers. As
> has been said, those reading the applications are also volunteers who pass 
> them on to other
volunteers
> who may or may not respond. There have been times when the press of other 
> projects, or personal
> health matters, have caused the applications to fall through the cracks. 
> Also, as Gould has
remarked,
> the idea of working for AMSAT is often more appealing than actually working 
> for AMSAT. This is no
> reflection on your son or anyone else, but it does tend to encourage the use 
> of people with proven
> skills and record over "walk ins." 
> 
> As another respondent has said, ITAR is a complete roadblock for non-US 
> citizens for most areas. As
a
> result of the NDAA changes, the first draft regulations are appearing. We 
> have volunteers plowing
> through the extensive documents, most of which seem to be written in a 
> foreign language. However, we
> have expectations that the current ban will be lifted in the foreseeable 
> future, or at least made
more
> reasonable. The primary benefit will be working with our colleagues in other 
> national AMSATs, but it
> will also open up our own ability to accept foreign volunteers. 
> 
> All that having been said, I am working on getting the AMSAT generic 
> recruitment running a bit more
> effectively. This will include a more targeted approach for those expressing 
> interest, and at least
> some sort of reply. Of course, I am also just a volunteer. :)
> 
> 73s,
> 
> Alan
> WA4SCA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???

[R Oler]

This in many ways mirrors
corporate and educational hiring."

A non inquisitor sentence

Volunteering for AMSAT (or the Boy Scouts or insert volunteer group here)
is not "hiring"  and it certainly is not corporate or educational
hiring.  

Robert WB5MZO 


> From: wa4...@gmail.com
> To: k...@earthlink.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org
> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 07:47:45 -0500
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???
> 
> Tom,
> 
> It IS true that AMSAT is always looking for volunteers.  And we have an 
> amazing number working on
> projects ranging from Fox to the day to day operations.  However messily, the 
> recruiting process
> works.  However, in most cases it comes from someone with a specific skill, 
> contacting a specific
> individual, about a specific project.  In other cases, the person needing 
> help contacts someone who
> they know who is a good fit, or based on a trusted recommendation.  This in 
> many ways mirrors
> corporate and educational hiring.
> 
> What you are talking about are the generic "I want to work for AMSAT, what 
> can I do?" volunteers.  As
> has been said, those reading the applications are also volunteers who pass 
> them on to other volunteers
> who may or may not respond.  There have been times when the press of other 
> projects, or personal
> health matters, have caused the applications to fall through the cracks.  
> Also, as Gould has remarked,
> the idea of working for AMSAT is often more appealing than actually working 
> for AMSAT.  This is no
> reflection on your son or anyone else, but it does tend to encourage the use 
> of people with proven
> skills and record over "walk ins."  
> 
> As another respondent has said, ITAR is a complete roadblock for non-US 
> citizens for most areas.  As a
> result of the NDAA changes, the first draft regulations are appearing.  We 
> have volunteers plowing
> through the extensive documents, most of which seem to be written in a 
> foreign language.  However, we
> have expectations that the current ban will be lifted in the foreseeable 
> future, or at least made more
> reasonable.  The primary benefit will be working with our colleagues in other 
> national AMSATs, but it
> will also open up our own ability to accept foreign volunteers.  
> 
> All that having been said, I am working on getting the AMSAT generic 
> recruitment running a bit more
> effectively.  This will include a more targeted approach for those expressing 
> interest, and at least
> some sort of reply.  Of course, I am also just a volunteer.  :)
> 
> 73s,
> 
> Alan
> WA4SCA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???

[Alan]

Tom,

It IS true that AMSAT is always looking for volunteers.  And we have an amazing 
number working on
projects ranging from Fox to the day to day operations.  However messily, the 
recruiting process
works.  However, in most cases it comes from someone with a specific skill, 
contacting a specific
individual, about a specific project.  In other cases, the person needing help 
contacts someone who
they know who is a good fit, or based on a trusted recommendation.  This in 
many ways mirrors
corporate and educational hiring.

What you are talking about are the generic "I want to work for AMSAT, what can 
I do?" volunteers.  As
has been said, those reading the applications are also volunteers who pass them 
on to other volunteers
who may or may not respond.  There have been times when the press of other 
projects, or personal
health matters, have caused the applications to fall through the cracks.  Also, 
as Gould has remarked,
the idea of working for AMSAT is often more appealing than actually working for 
AMSAT.  This is no
reflection on your son or anyone else, but it does tend to encourage the use of 
people with proven
skills and record over "walk ins."  

As another respondent has said, ITAR is a complete roadblock for non-US 
citizens for most areas.  As a
result of the NDAA changes, the first draft regulations are appearing.  We have 
volunteers plowing
through the extensive documents, most of which seem to be written in a foreign 
language.  However, we
have expectations that the current ban will be lifted in the foreseeable 
future, or at least made more
reasonable.  The primary benefit will be working with our colleagues in other 
national AMSATs, but it
will also open up our own ability to accept foreign volunteers.  

All that having been said, I am working on getting the AMSAT generic 
recruitment running a bit more
effectively.  This will include a more targeted approach for those expressing 
interest, and at least
some sort of reply.  Of course, I am also just a volunteer.  :)

73s,

Alan
WA4SCA





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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???

[B J]

On 6/7/13, Jaime Robles  wrote:
> I answered last year to a call and I got an answer from AMSAT ... but it
> was negative due to the ITAR regulations and my Spanish nationality :-)
>
> Maybe if the US relax ITAR for hamradio satellites we (non-US hams) can
> help in future projects. :-)
>
> Just my 2 cents :-)
>
> Jaime, EA4TV

That situation might change, according to this:

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2013/06/researchers-upbeat-about-us-plan.html

73s

Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL


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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???

[John Stephensen]

Currently, the only way that AMSAT-NA seems to be able to work with non-US 
citizens is via NASA which can more easily obtain the required approvals.


73,

John
KD6OZH

- Original Message - 
From: "Jaime Robles" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 18:37 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???


I answered last year to a call and I got an answer from AMSAT ... but it
was negative due to the ITAR regulations and my Spanish nationality :-)

Maybe if the US relax ITAR for hamradio satellites we (non-US hams) can
help in future projects. :-)

Just my 2 cents :-)

Jaime, EA4TV
El 07/06/2013 19:43, "John Stephensen"  escribió:

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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???

[Jaime Robles]

I answered last year to a call and I got an answer from AMSAT ... but it
was negative due to the ITAR regulations and my Spanish nationality :-)

Maybe if the US relax ITAR for hamradio satellites we (non-US hams) can
help in future projects. :-)

Just my 2 cents :-)

Jaime, EA4TV
El 07/06/2013 19:43, "John Stephensen"  escribió:

> If AMSAT asks for volunteers its usually for newsletters, booth duty or
> web site maintenance. The AMSAT BoD raises money, provides it to groups
> doing development of amateur satellites and provides general services like
> this mailing list. In my experience, satellites are developed by dedicated
> teams that will ask for volunteers for specific tasks. For example, I was a
> volunteer for Eagle U-band receiver development. AMSAT might have passed on
> a name and the position had already been filled.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> KD6OZH
>
> - Original Message - From: "Tom Lubbers K8TL" 
> To: "AMSAT BB" 
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 15:55 UTC
> Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT needs volunteers ???
>
>
>  Over the past half century I responded several times to AMSAT’s call for
>> volunteers and never heard back from them.  I was happy to hear from my son
>> when he volunteered his software talents to AMSAT and told me that they had
>> asked when would be a good time to contact him.  His job title is Software
>> Engineer with over 30 years experience, a number of published articles and
>> winner of a number of design contests.  He is also comfortable with
>> hardware and firmware.  If I mention a piece of hardware or software that I
>> wish was a available in my ham shack it is usually available the next time
>> he visits.
>>
>> Oh by the way I see AMSAT is still looking for a software guy, they never
>> followed up on their request of when they could contact him.  They sure
>> blew an opportunity there.
>>
>> Tom K8TL
>>
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[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT needs volunteers ???

[John Stephensen]

If AMSAT asks for volunteers its usually for newsletters, booth duty or web 
site maintenance. The AMSAT BoD raises money, provides it to groups doing 
development of amateur satellites and provides general services like this 
mailing list. In my experience, satellites are developed by dedicated teams 
that will ask for volunteers for specific tasks. For example, I was a 
volunteer for Eagle U-band receiver development. AMSAT might have passed on 
a name and the position had already been filled.


73,

John
KD6OZH

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Lubbers K8TL" 

To: "AMSAT BB" 
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 15:55 UTC
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT needs volunteers ???


Over the past half century I responded several times to AMSAT’s call for 
volunteers and never heard back from them.  I was happy to hear from my 
son when he volunteered his software talents to AMSAT and told me that 
they had asked when would be a good time to contact him.  His job title is 
Software Engineer with over 30 years experience, a number of published 
articles and winner of a number of design contests.  He is also 
comfortable with hardware and firmware.  If I mention a piece of hardware 
or software that I wish was a available in my ham shack it is usually 
available the next time he visits.


Oh by the way I see AMSAT is still looking for a software guy, they never 
followed up on their request of when they could contact him.  They sure 
blew an opportunity there.


Tom K8TL


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