[amsat-bb] Re: Improving satellite reporting
Bruce and all, This is an excellent idea, especially the trusted updaters. While the Carr's page is the best source of up to the minute data on modes and status, it does occasionally suffer from erroneous reporting, and the links attached to the satellite names mostly go to the old webpage from 4 years ago (the N7HPR ones). There also are lots of newer satellites that could be added to the system. Combining the two resources would result in a very superior product. The two people to talk to about this other than David Carr, are Gould Smith and Rick Hambly. I'll fully support this change, as it will get a very large and odoriferous monkey off my back, and result in better data for the members, and others who use our site. Perhaps you could contact David, Gould, and Rick and get the ball rolling? 73, Drew KO4MA - Original Message - From: "Bruce Robertson" To: "AMSAT-BB" Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Improving satellite reporting >I offer the following idea in order to speed up the reporting of > satellite conditions on amsat.org. The situation is, as I see it, > thus: > > 1. The best source of information is oscar.dcarr.org. It harnesses the > many-eyes that the Internet can provide and summarizes their reports > in a helpful visualization. Users can gain detailed information, like > how FO-29's repair is progressing, or what mode AO-7 is in. In my > experience its uptime is excellent. Moreover, if I understand it > correctly, it does not require manual operation. Its only fault is > that its url is not in amsat.org, and so beginners or those with just > a general interest are unlikely to find it. It might be subject to > spamming or malicious reporting, but I have seen no evidence of this. > > 2. The official amsat page of information reports conditions on a > roughly week-by-week basis and does not include the detailed > information described above. This is because, if I understand its > operation correctly, it does require manual work by an authorized > individual. This precludes the moment-by-moment reporting that > oscar.dcarr.org offers, but it does mean that the trust factor is > high. > > To my mind, an ideal solution is in two steps: > > A. Make oscar.dcarr.org an amsat.org page. At very least, this entails > nothing more than the use of the HTML iframe element. It is true that > amsat is thus endorsing an external page, but I think based on past > performance, this is highly warranted. On the other end of the > spectrum, the entire code and server software that drives > oscar.dcarr.org could be moved to amsat.org. In any case, this would > require the permission of Mr. Carr and prominent recognition from the > organization for his (and Bob's) pioneering application of the > Internet to this problem. > > B. Perhaps more complicated is to make the current official page > become automatically updated from the dcarr page, or by means of an > operator who is automatically informed from the dcarr page, or some > combination of the two. For instance, a sufficient number of 'not > heard' reports from dcarr.org pertaining to a given bird would change > its status in the official page to be '?' or something like this. > > There are further possibilities. For instance, dcarr.org could be > upgraded with a broad-based trust model. The twenty most enthusiastic > reporters could, for instance, be furnished with passwords in a secure > mode and their data could be privileged for the purpose of reporting. > > Besides improving the reporting on satellite conditions, this change > would have a further effect. It would communicate to the members that > if they create good resources, their work might eventually become > highlighted by the AMSAT community, in effect, a 'publication' of > AMSAT. 'Volunteering' thus becomes not much more than 'doing cool > stuff that the community likes'. > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Improving satellite reporting
On Thu, September 3, 2009 15:04, Bruce Robertson wrote: Hi Bruce, > 1. The best source of information is oscar.dcarr.org. It harnesses the > many-eyes that the Internet can provide and summarizes their reports > in a helpful visualization. > A. Make oscar.dcarr.org an amsat.org page. At very least, this entails > nothing more than the use of the HTML iframe element.> Great idea, who is able to create an iframe on the amsat.org page? > 73, Bruce > VE9QRP 73's Jan - PE0SAT ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Improving satellite reporting
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:57 PM, PE0SAT wrote: > > On Thu, September 3, 2009 15:04, Bruce Robertson wrote: > > Hi Bruce, > >> 1. The best source of information is oscar.dcarr.org. It harnesses the >> many-eyes that the Internet can provide and summarizes their reports >> in a helpful visualization. > >> A. Make oscar.dcarr.org an amsat.org page. At very least, this entails >> nothing more than the use of the HTML iframe element.> > > Great idea, who is able to create an iframe on the amsat.org page? > Hi, Jan - I've followed up on Drew's suggestion that I contact all the appropriate people and see if we can make this happen. >> 73, Bruce >> VE9QRP > > 73's Jan - PE0SAT > > > ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Improving satellite reporting
Hello all, I'm glad to hear that the community is enjoying the satellite status page. I am always very happy to visit the page and see it filled with reports. I also agree that the site could benefit from some improvements. As suggested, I think stronger ties with Amsat could be beneficial and improve its accessibility. Lets continue this discussion further and how we can work together to make this resource as useful as possible. In the meantime, please send me small changes (ie: new satellites or URL updates) and I will apply them. 73s, David Carr KD5QGR ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Improving satellite reporting
- Original Message - From: "Bruce Robertson" To: "AMSAT-BB" Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:04 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Improving satellite reporting [snip] > > (Similarly, I hope that William's extraordinary vision in building his > transponder board might, after broad testing and examination, be > validated by it becoming an 'AMSAT' off-the-shelf product. With > William's approval, let's appeal for the bucks to have a team of > people replicate these, test them, and set them up as temporary > terrestrial repeaters around the world. We'd much more easily convince > a cubesat team to include one of these if we could say one was running > uninterrupted in Toronto for a year, or if we could have them do a QSO > through one in a live demo!) > > > 73, Bruce > VE9QRP Hey, if William will make the boards available, I'll start building one tomorrow!!! 73, George, KA3HSW ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Improving satellite reporting
Hi AMSATs, The tinny transponder design is finished and tested. I can make copies when there is interrest. My visit to Ham Fair in Tokyo was for me a kind of milestone to finish the design and make it public to the people. (I like to design something well done, before make it available to others, this avoids modifications and extra work later). It is not easy to make the LE005-R2 transponder design without having the right tools. This is also the reason why I cannot sell it like a kit for people to solder at home. The design is made at a profesional level (as development engineer I am dealing with it dayly) and can be made with use of a pick and place machine and reflow soldered for large quantities in a factory when needed. This is only profitable at large quantities. For small quantities its cheaper and faster to do it with my small reflow system. The quality is guarenteed as I can do manual inspection and full testing myself. The next step is doing space environment tests, but that takes some more time and money. In case you have a working thermal vaccuum chamber in your garage, let me know ;o) The LE005-R2 is designed for space environment but not officially tested yet. However, the design is well suited for applications like terresterial transponders. 73, with kind regards, William Leijenaar, PE1RAH --- - Original Message - From: "Bruce Robertson" To: "AMSAT-BB" Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:04 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Improving satellite reporting [snip] > > (Similarly, I hope that William's extraordinary vision in building his > transponder board might, after broad testing and examination, be > validated by it becoming an 'AMSAT' off-the-shelf product. With > William's approval, let's appeal for the bucks to have a team of > people replicate these, test them, and set them up as temporary > terrestrial repeaters around the world. We'd much more easily convince > a cubesat team to include one of these if we could say one was running > uninterrupted in Toronto for a year, or if we could have them do a QSO > through one in a live demo!) > > > 73, Bruce > VE9QRP Hey, if William will make the boards available, I'll start building one tomorrow!!! 73, George, KA3HSW ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Improving satellite reporting
What are you using for reflow soldering? 73, John KD6OZH - Original Message - From: "William Leijenaar" To: Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 13:29 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Improving satellite reporting Hi AMSATs, The tinny transponder design is finished and tested. I can make copies when there is interrest. My visit to Ham Fair in Tokyo was for me a kind of milestone to finish the design and make it public to the people. (I like to design something well done, before make it available to others, this avoids modifications and extra work later). It is not easy to make the LE005-R2 transponder design without having the right tools. This is also the reason why I cannot sell it like a kit for people to solder at home. The design is made at a profesional level (as development engineer I am dealing with it dayly) and can be made with use of a pick and place machine and reflow soldered for large quantities in a factory when needed. This is only profitable at large quantities. For small quantities its cheaper and faster to do it with my small reflow system. The quality is guarenteed as I can do manual inspection and full testing myself. The next step is doing space environment tests, but that takes some more time and money. In case you have a working thermal vaccuum chamber in your garage, let me know ;o) The LE005-R2 is designed for space environment but not officially tested yet. However, the design is well suited for applications like terresterial transponders. 73, with kind regards, William Leijenaar, PE1RAH --- - Original Message - From: "Bruce Robertson" To: "AMSAT-BB" Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 8:04 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Improving satellite reporting [snip] > > (Similarly, I hope that William's extraordinary vision in building his > transponder board might, after broad testing and examination, be > validated by it becoming an 'AMSAT' off-the-shelf product. With > William's approval, let's appeal for the bucks to have a team of > people replicate these, test them, and set them up as temporary > terrestrial repeaters around the world. We'd much more easily convince > a cubesat team to include one of these if we could say one was running > uninterrupted in Toronto for a year, or if we could have them do a QSO > through one in a live demo!) > > > 73, Bruce > VE9QRP Hey, if William will make the boards available, I'll start building one tomorrow!!! 73, George, KA3HSW ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
