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Please understand that we must be politically correct at ALL times. (Nuts) Of course I am kidding. I wanted to add my 2cents to this thread since I know you all and no one thinks anything nefarious is happening. With ALL volunteer organizations with our HUGE budgets, things get left behind or not even thought about. I, for one, believe that AMSAT does some things better than most other organizations and also leaves things to be desired in other areas. If we keep in mind the ultimate goal of satellite communications for us hams, we will keep our group moving in the right direction(no, not the political right). Cheers to all you volunteers. 73, Dee, NB2F On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Rick Tejera wrote: Ed, I understand fully. I'm the editor of my Astronomy Club's newsletter, A much smaller publication than the Journal and I've experienced everything you have as well. It's important to balance all the things in life and as I've mentioned to folks, it's a hobby and life likes to throw higher priorities in your way more oft than not. I'm sure all appreciate your efforts. Once I get a few bucks stashed off, I'll send my check in to join AMSAT. And I've got an article Idea for you. 73 Clear Skies Rick Tejera Editor SACnews, Public Outreach Coordinator Saguaro Astronomy Club Phoenix, Arizona www.saguaroastro.org saguaroas...@cox.net K7TEJ -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Ed Long Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 20:01 To: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com; and...@msu.edu; AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal Everyone, First - sorry for the slow response to this thread. Seems like everything I do is late!!! Second - the Journal delays are due to a number of factors. The two greatest factors are a lack of publishable articles and me. I frequently have a lack of enough articles to produce a full issue on time. So I delay publication until I can get enough content to publish an issue. Secondly, I have a real job and busy life and I frequently have to travel. (Ask Barry how many times he's called me and I was in England or China or some far away place like that.) That prevents me from working on the Journal and that delays things sometimes. I try my best to get the Journal to you on time, but it seems that most times I am unsuccessful. The plan is to send the Journal to the printer the first week of the second month shown on the cover. For example, the January/February issue should go to the printer the first week of February. The printer should get it into the mail the week after that so that you would receive the issue mid to late February. That should hold true throughout the year. Unfortunately it doesn't happen that way very often, thus the delays. AMSAT certainly is NOT delaying the Journal - I am - for the reasons above. So I apologize for the delays. I do try to provide you with a quality Journal with a variety of interesting and informative articles. Thanks to the great people that contribute to the Journal and my associate editors, Bill Hook and JoAnne Maaenpaa, we eventually get there with each issue. Despite the fact that I've been late, we have NOT completely missed any issues. I hope this explains things a bit. I know it's not acceptable, but we try to do the very best we can. BTW - the July/August issue went to the printer last week so it's running late too. This delay was due to me this time. Houston was HOT!!! Ed Long WA4SWJ Editor, The AMSAT Journal From: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com To: and...@msu.edu; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:09:23 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal Steve, I believe AMSAT is sending the Journal, and I don't remember claiming they weren't. I also know it quite often doesn't get here. It is the only piece of regularly scheduled mail I have trouble with. I suspect the postal service is having problems between me and AMSAT. I was just checking to see if that has happened again. The answer I got leads me to believe it is too soon to tell with this issue of the magazine. I asked the original question simply because it is very difficult to know when you were supposed to get something you didn't get :-) 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of STeve Andre' Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:30 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal On Saturday 28 August 2010 00:24:10 Gary Joe Mayfield wrote: Gould, Please don't take my message the wrong way. I love the journal, but have had MANY delivery issues. I have yet to receive the May/June issue. 73, Joe kk0sd Joe, Don't assume that AMSAT didn't send it to you 'till you've verified
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Everyone, First - sorry for the slow response to this thread. Seems like everything I do is late!!! Second - the Journal delays are due to a number of factors. The two greatest factors are a lack of publishable articles and me. I frequently have a lack of enough articles to produce a full issue on time. So I delay publication until I can get enough content to publish an issue. Secondly, I have a real job and busy life and I frequently have to travel. (Ask Barry how many times he's called me and I was in England or China or some far away place like that.) That prevents me from working on the Journal and that delays things sometimes. I try my best to get the Journal to you on time, but it seems that most times I am unsuccessful. The plan is to send the Journal to the printer the first week of the second month shown on the cover. For example, the January/February issue should go to the printer the first week of February. The printer should get it into the mail the week after that so that you would receive the issue mid to late February. That should hold true throughout the year. Unfortunately it doesn't happen that way very often, thus the delays. AMSAT certainly is NOT delaying the Journal - I am - for the reasons above. So I apologize for the delays. I do try to provide you with a quality Journal with a variety of interesting and informative articles. Thanks to the great people that contribute to the Journal and my associate editors, Bill Hook and JoAnne Maaenpaa, we eventually get there with each issue. Despite the fact that I've been late, we have NOT completely missed any issues. I hope this explains things a bit. I know it's not acceptable, but we try to do the very best we can. BTW - the July/August issue went to the printer last week so it's running late too. This delay was due to me this time. Houston was HOT!!! Ed Long WA4SWJ Editor, The AMSAT Journal From: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com To: and...@msu.edu; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:09:23 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal Steve, I believe AMSAT is sending the Journal, and I don't remember claiming they weren't. I also know it quite often doesn't get here. It is the only piece of regularly scheduled mail I have trouble with. I suspect the postal service is having problems between me and AMSAT. I was just checking to see if that has happened again. The answer I got leads me to believe it is too soon to tell with this issue of the magazine. I asked the original question simply because it is very difficult to know when you were supposed to get something you didn't get :-) 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of STeve Andre' Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:30 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal On Saturday 28 August 2010 00:24:10 Gary Joe Mayfield wrote: Gould, Please don't take my message the wrong way. I love the journal, but have had MANY delivery issues. I have yet to receive the May/June issue. 73, Joe kk0sd Joe, Don't assume that AMSAT didn't send it to you 'till you've verified it with them and they think they had a problem. I've had delivery issues on things too, and it is the fault of the Post Office. Your local PO can range from fantastic to wretched, and here in Ann Arbor MI, it seems like we're more towards the wrong end of the scale. One issue of QST had a completely mangled front cover, so bad that I called the PO here and complained. The response was... Oh.. Lansing MI on the other hand, has such an efficient system that a letter mail to my home town of Ann Arbor *gets there faster* than the same thing mailed *in* Ann Arbor in most cases. So when the ham mag you've been waiting for looks like a war refugee, or has been AWOL for 1 week+, think about the system that carries it to you. Note: This is not a rant against the USPO--I support it, but I think it needs help, and I don't think that money is the answer. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en82 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman
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Ed, My issue has been traced (hopefully solved) to a labeling problem at the printers. I was not accusing anyone at AMSAT of anything. I think my exact words were I want to be VERY CLEAR, I do NOT believe anyone at AMSAT is at fault! I believe the problem is after shipment and before it would arrive at my local post office. A link in the middle of the chain is where I believe the problem is. AGAIN this is not an attack on AMSAT. I do not believe that is where the problem lies. It turns out the problem was at the shipping point, as my label had no address. 73, Joe kk0sd From: Ed Long [mailto:wa4...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 10:01 PM To: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com; and...@msu.edu; AMSAT-BB Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal Everyone, First - sorry for the slow response to this thread. Seems like everything I do is late!!! Second - the Journal delays are due to a number of factors. The two greatest factors are a lack of publishable articles and me. I frequently have a lack of enough articles to produce a full issue on time. So I delay publication until I can get enough content to publish an issue. Secondly, I have a real job and busy life and I frequently have to travel. (Ask Barry how many times he's called me and I was in England or China or some far away place like that.) That prevents me from working on the Journal and that delays things sometimes. I try my best to get the Journal to you on time, but it seems that most times I am unsuccessful. The plan is to send the Journal to the printer the first week of the second month shown on the cover. For example, the January/February issue should go to the printer the first week of February. The printer should get it into the mail the week after that so that you would receive the issue mid to late February. That should hold true throughout the year. Unfortunately it doesn't happen that way very often, thus the delays. AMSAT certainly is NOT delaying the Journal - I am - for the reasons above. So I apologize for the delays. I do try to provide you with a quality Journal with a variety of interesting and informative articles. Thanks to the great people that contribute to the Journal and my associate editors, Bill Hook and JoAnne Maaenpaa, we eventually get there with each issue. Despite the fact that I've been late, we have NOT completely missed any issues. I hope this explains things a bit. I know it's not acceptable, but we try to do the very best we can. BTW - the July/August issue went to the printer last week so it's running late too. This delay was due to me this time. Houston was HOT!!! Ed Long WA4SWJ Editor, The AMSAT Journal From: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com To: and...@msu.edu; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:09:23 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal Steve, I believe AMSAT is sending the Journal, and I don't remember claiming they weren't. I also know it quite often doesn't get here. It is the only piece of regularly scheduled mail I have trouble with. I suspect the postal service is having problems between me and AMSAT. I was just checking to see if that has happened again. The answer I got leads me to believe it is too soon to tell with this issue of the magazine. I asked the original question simply because it is very difficult to know when you were supposed to get something you didn't get :-) 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of STeve Andre' Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:30 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal On Saturday 28 August 2010 00:24:10 Gary Joe Mayfield wrote: Gould, Please don't take my message the wrong way. I love the journal, but have had MANY delivery issues. I have yet to receive the May/June issue. 73, Joe kk0sd Joe, Don't assume that AMSAT didn't send it to you 'till you've verified it with them and they think they had a problem. I've had delivery issues on things too, and it is the fault of the Post Office. Your local PO can range from fantastic to wretched, and here in Ann Arbor MI, it seems like we're more towards the wrong end of the scale. One issue of QST had a completely mangled front cover, so bad that I called the PO here and complained. The response was... Oh.. Lansing MI on the other hand, has such an efficient system that a letter mail to my home town of Ann Arbor *gets there faster* than the same thing mailed *in* Ann Arbor in most cases. So when the ham mag you've been waiting for looks like a war refugee, or has been AWOL for 1 week+, think about the system that carries it to you. Note: This is not a rant against the USPO--I support it, but I think it needs help, and I don't think that money is the answer. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en82 ___ Sent via amsat
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Ed, I understand fully. I'm the editor of my Astronomy Club's newsletter, A much smaller publication than the Journal and I've experienced everything you have as well. It's important to balance all the things in life and as I've mentioned to folks, it's a hobby and life likes to throw higher priorities in your way more oft than not. I'm sure all appreciate your efforts. Once I get a few bucks stashed off, I'll send my check in to join AMSAT. And I've got an article Idea for you. 73 Clear Skies Rick Tejera Editor SACnews, Public Outreach Coordinator Saguaro Astronomy Club Phoenix, Arizona www.saguaroastro.org saguaroas...@cox.net K7TEJ -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Ed Long Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 20:01 To: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com; and...@msu.edu; AMSAT-BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal Everyone, First - sorry for the slow response to this thread. Seems like everything I do is late!!! Second - the Journal delays are due to a number of factors. The two greatest factors are a lack of publishable articles and me. I frequently have a lack of enough articles to produce a full issue on time. So I delay publication until I can get enough content to publish an issue. Secondly, I have a real job and busy life and I frequently have to travel. (Ask Barry how many times he's called me and I was in England or China or some far away place like that.) That prevents me from working on the Journal and that delays things sometimes. I try my best to get the Journal to you on time, but it seems that most times I am unsuccessful. The plan is to send the Journal to the printer the first week of the second month shown on the cover. For example, the January/February issue should go to the printer the first week of February. The printer should get it into the mail the week after that so that you would receive the issue mid to late February. That should hold true throughout the year. Unfortunately it doesn't happen that way very often, thus the delays. AMSAT certainly is NOT delaying the Journal - I am - for the reasons above. So I apologize for the delays. I do try to provide you with a quality Journal with a variety of interesting and informative articles. Thanks to the great people that contribute to the Journal and my associate editors, Bill Hook and JoAnne Maaenpaa, we eventually get there with each issue. Despite the fact that I've been late, we have NOT completely missed any issues. I hope this explains things a bit. I know it's not acceptable, but we try to do the very best we can. BTW - the July/August issue went to the printer last week so it's running late too. This delay was due to me this time. Houston was HOT!!! Ed Long WA4SWJ Editor, The AMSAT Journal From: gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com To: and...@msu.edu; amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:09:23 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal Steve, I believe AMSAT is sending the Journal, and I don't remember claiming they weren't. I also know it quite often doesn't get here. It is the only piece of regularly scheduled mail I have trouble with. I suspect the postal service is having problems between me and AMSAT. I was just checking to see if that has happened again. The answer I got leads me to believe it is too soon to tell with this issue of the magazine. I asked the original question simply because it is very difficult to know when you were supposed to get something you didn't get :-) 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of STeve Andre' Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:30 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal On Saturday 28 August 2010 00:24:10 Gary Joe Mayfield wrote: Gould, Please don't take my message the wrong way. I love the journal, but have had MANY delivery issues. I have yet to receive the May/June issue. 73, Joe kk0sd Joe, Don't assume that AMSAT didn't send it to you 'till you've verified it with them and they think they had a problem. I've had delivery issues on things too, and it is the fault of the Post Office. Your local PO can range from fantastic to wretched, and here in Ann Arbor MI, it seems like we're more towards the wrong end of the scale. One issue of QST had a completely mangled front cover, so bad that I called the PO here and complained. The response was... Oh.. Lansing MI on the other hand, has such an efficient system that a letter mail to my home town of Ann Arbor *gets there faster* than the same thing mailed *in* Ann Arbor in most cases. So when the ham mag you've been waiting for looks like a war refugee, or has been AWOL for 1 week+, think about the system that carries it to you. Note: This is not a rant against the USPO--I support it, but I think it needs help, and I
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Hello Joe and the list. If I can explain a little about how bulk mailing works, it might help explain some issues that people have with getting the journal. I work for a printer that does bulk mailings also and this is how they do things. AMSAT's printer may do it a totally different way than how my employer does it. First, It all depends on when the mailer gets the printed copies. There may be issues with paper used, when the files arrive, scheduled deadlines met on time, things like that. Second, the sender supplies a file with names and addresses that need to be printed onto either labels or onto the printed material in a certain space. This takes about anywhere from 30 minutes to a whole day (equipment issues) to set up aligning the print heads. Each process has its own procedures and differs between mailers. Third, depending on what the volume (quantity) is, it could take a day to a week to print names and addresses onto the printed material. Fourth, keeping the addresses sorted so that they are going to the right destination can get complex sometimes. Fifth, after everything is sorted by zip codes and destinations, then comes shipping via semi to the separate sort facilities across the country and outside country destinations. Yes, depending on quantity, bulk mailing gets shipped to sort facilities across the country by contracted carriers. Sixth, it could take as much as a week to get from the mailers dock to a sort facility on the other side of the country depending on where the mailer is located. If you look at the mailing label area on your journal next time, you'll see that little square that has this saying in it: Periodicals POSTAGE PAID At Silver Springs, MD and at additional mailing offices that means that it has gone from the mailer to at least one sort facility in the path before it gets to your local post office and your home mailbox. There is also meeting the criteria of how the USPS wants things sorted and weighed and. The list is endless currently. My place of employment has had the USPS reject a load because it either weighed one pound more or less than what is stated on the documents. The USPS also has guidelines that have to be met about thickness and weight of paper. That can hold up a mailing also. This is not to say that this is how AMSAT does the mailing of the journal. I am just stating how its done at my place of employment to give everyone an idea of what it takes to mail the Journal each time. Things do change each time the Journal is mailed so that has to be taken into account each time. Proposed deadlines have to be met to keep things flowing. If one deadline is not met, that can hold things up by a week or more. The times I gave are based on a mailing of several hundreds of thousands having to have addresses printed onto them. You also have to remember that the printer that AMSAT uses has to make deadlines also. The printer could be the same business that does the mailing which does help. AMSAT only has to do roughly almost ten thousand printings of the Journal each time. This takes time on the presses to set up. Based on where I work, the Journal would go onto the sheetfed press not the 4 color offset press because of the quantity amount. Which means a little bit more cost in paper, press time, and setup. Then it moves out to the bindery department to be folded, cut, and stapled to its final size for the mailing department. I hope this explains some about why one person may get a journal before another person does. I know it doesn't explain everything but it gives everyone an idea of what it takes to get the journal mailed. James W8ISS ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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All- I have received complaints concerning delivery of the Journal that is mailed non-profit 2nd class . According to the Supervisor of 2nd class non-profit at the Post Office, the problem is on the receiver's end. If the magazine does not bounce back to us, it is in the system ready to be delivered. Although the magazine is mailed in MD, some members located in the state get their Journal later than members in the in other parts of the country. So - there is really nothing we can do at our end. The printer generally takes a week from the time he receives the files from the Editor. It then takes about 3-4 days for the mailer to get it to the Post Office. If you do not receive an issue, please let me know and I will send a replacement copy. Martha - At the beach On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:56 AM, James French w8if...@wideopenwest.comwrote: Hello Joe and the list. If I can explain a little about how bulk mailing works, it might help explain some issues that people have with getting the journal. I work for a printer that does bulk mailings also and this is how they do things. AMSAT's printer may do it a totally different way than how my employer does it. First, It all depends on when the mailer gets the printed copies. There may be issues with paper used, when the files arrive, scheduled deadlines met on time, things like that. Second, the sender supplies a file with names and addresses that need to be printed onto either labels or onto the printed material in a certain space. This takes about anywhere from 30 minutes to a whole day (equipment issues) to set up aligning the print heads. Each process has its own procedures and differs between mailers. Third, depending on what the volume (quantity) is, it could take a day to a week to print names and addresses onto the printed material. Fourth, keeping the addresses sorted so that they are going to the right destination can get complex sometimes. Fifth, after everything is sorted by zip codes and destinations, then comes shipping via semi to the separate sort facilities across the country and outside country destinations. Yes, depending on quantity, bulk mailing gets shipped to sort facilities across the country by contracted carriers. Sixth, it could take as much as a week to get from the mailers dock to a sort facility on the other side of the country depending on where the mailer is located. If you look at the mailing label area on your journal next time, you'll see that little square that has this saying in it: Periodicals POSTAGE PAID At Silver Springs, MD and at additional mailing offices that means that it has gone from the mailer to at least one sort facility in the path before it gets to your local post office and your home mailbox. There is also meeting the criteria of how the USPS wants things sorted and weighed and. The list is endless currently. My place of employment has had the USPS reject a load because it either weighed one pound more or less than what is stated on the documents. The USPS also has guidelines that have to be met about thickness and weight of paper. That can hold up a mailing also. This is not to say that this is how AMSAT does the mailing of the journal. I am just stating how its done at my place of employment to give everyone an idea of what it takes to mail the Journal each time. Things do change each time the Journal is mailed so that has to be taken into account each time. Proposed deadlines have to be met to keep things flowing. If one deadline is not met, that can hold things up by a week or more. The times I gave are based on a mailing of several hundreds of thousands having to have addresses printed onto them. You also have to remember that the printer that AMSAT uses has to make deadlines also. The printer could be the same business that does the mailing which does help. AMSAT only has to do roughly almost ten thousand printings of the Journal each time. This takes time on the presses to set up. Based on where I work, the Journal would go onto the sheetfed press not the 4 color offset press because of the quantity amount. Which means a little bit more cost in paper, press time, and setup. Then it moves out to the bindery department to be folded, cut, and stapled to its final size for the mailing department. I hope this explains some about why one person may get a journal before another person does. I know it doesn't explain everything but it gives everyone an idea of what it takes to get the journal mailed. James W8ISS ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- 73- Martha ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author.
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I suspect Martha is being gracious, and not naming me :-) I am probably the biggest whiner when it comes to not getting the Journal. Martha's postal supervisor is wrong. There is something that can be done, and that information is available here: http://epubwatch.usps.gov The guys at my local post office clued me into Pubwatch, but it has to be done by the publisher/distributor. I want to be VERY CLEAR, I do NOT believe anyone at AMSAT is at fault! I believe the problem is after shipment and before it would arrive at my local post office. A link in the middle of the chain is where I believe the problem is. AGAIN this is not an attack on AMSAT. I do not believe that is where the problem lies. 73, Joe kk0sd P.S. Martha, why are you checking email from the beach Relax a little! -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Martha Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:31 AM To: James French Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal All- I have received complaints concerning delivery of the Journal that is mailed non-profit 2nd class . According to the Supervisor of 2nd class non-profit at the Post Office, the problem is on the receiver's end. If the magazine does not bounce back to us, it is in the system ready to be delivered. Although the magazine is mailed in MD, some members located in the state get their Journal later than members in the in other parts of the country. So - there is really nothing we can do at our end. The printer generally takes a week from the time he receives the files from the Editor. It then takes about 3-4 days for the mailer to get it to the Post Office. If you do not receive an issue, please let me know and I will send a replacement copy. Martha - At the beach On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:56 AM, James French w8if...@wideopenwest.comwrote: Hello Joe and the list. If I can explain a little about how bulk mailing works, it might help explain some issues that people have with getting the journal. I work for a printer that does bulk mailings also and this is how they do things. AMSAT's printer may do it a totally different way than how my employer does it. First, It all depends on when the mailer gets the printed copies. There may be issues with paper used, when the files arrive, scheduled deadlines met on time, things like that. Second, the sender supplies a file with names and addresses that need to be printed onto either labels or onto the printed material in a certain space. This takes about anywhere from 30 minutes to a whole day (equipment issues) to set up aligning the print heads. Each process has its own procedures and differs between mailers. Third, depending on what the volume (quantity) is, it could take a day to a week to print names and addresses onto the printed material. Fourth, keeping the addresses sorted so that they are going to the right destination can get complex sometimes. Fifth, after everything is sorted by zip codes and destinations, then comes shipping via semi to the separate sort facilities across the country and outside country destinations. Yes, depending on quantity, bulk mailing gets shipped to sort facilities across the country by contracted carriers. Sixth, it could take as much as a week to get from the mailers dock to a sort facility on the other side of the country depending on where the mailer is located. If you look at the mailing label area on your journal next time, you'll see that little square that has this saying in it: Periodicals POSTAGE PAID At Silver Springs, MD and at additional mailing offices that means that it has gone from the mailer to at least one sort facility in the path before it gets to your local post office and your home mailbox. There is also meeting the criteria of how the USPS wants things sorted and weighed and. The list is endless currently. My place of employment has had the USPS reject a load because it either weighed one pound more or less than what is stated on the documents. The USPS also has guidelines that have to be met about thickness and weight of paper. That can hold up a mailing also. This is not to say that this is how AMSAT does the mailing of the journal. I am just stating how its done at my place of employment to give everyone an idea of what it takes to mail the Journal each time. Things do change each time the Journal is mailed so that has to be taken into account each time. Proposed deadlines have to be met to keep things flowing. If one deadline is not met, that can hold things up by a week or more. The times I gave are based on a mailing of several hundreds of thousands having to have addresses printed onto them. You also have to remember that the printer that AMSAT uses has to make deadlines also. The printer could be the same business that does the mailing which does help. AMSAT only has to do roughly
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I wouldn't trust that website, it still recommends using Internet Explorer 5.5! On 30-Aug-10 23:58, Gary Joe Mayfield wrote: There is something that can be done, and that information is available here: http://epubwatch.usps.gov The guys at my local post office clued me into Pubwatch, but it has to be done by the publisher/distributor. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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I agree Joe. I swear all my gun magazines are PRE-READ at the PO before I ever get them, due to torn edges/pages. John W6ZKH From: Gary Joe Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 4:58:45 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal I suspect Martha is being gracious, and not naming me :-) I am probably the biggest whiner when it comes to not getting the Journal. Martha's postal supervisor is wrong. There is something that can be done, and that information is available here: http://epubwatch.usps.gov The guys at my local post office clued me into Pubwatch, but it has to be done by the publisher/distributor. I want to be VERY CLEAR, I do NOT believe anyone at AMSAT is at fault! I believe the problem is after shipment and before it would arrive at my local post office. A link in the middle of the chain is where I believe the problem is. AGAIN this is not an attack on AMSAT. I do not believe that is where the problem lies. 73, Joe kk0sd P.S. Martha, why are you checking email from the beach Relax a little! -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Martha Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:31 AM To: James French Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal All- I have received complaints concerning delivery of the Journal that is mailed non-profit 2nd class . According to the Supervisor of 2nd class non-profit at the Post Office, the problem is on the receiver's end. If the magazine does not bounce back to us, it is in the system ready to be delivered. Although the magazine is mailed in MD, some members located in the state get their Journal later than members in the in other parts of the country. So - there is really nothing we can do at our end. The printer generally takes a week from the time he receives the files from the Editor. It then takes about 3-4 days for the mailer to get it to the Post Office. If you do not receive an issue, please let me know and I will send a replacement copy. Martha - At the beach On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:56 AM, James French w8if...@wideopenwest.comwrote: Hello Joe and the list. If I can explain a little about how bulk mailing works, it might help explain some issues that people have with getting the journal. I work for a printer that does bulk mailings also and this is how they do things. AMSAT's printer may do it a totally different way than how my employer does it. First, It all depends on when the mailer gets the printed copies. There may be issues with paper used, when the files arrive, scheduled deadlines met on time, things like that. Second, the sender supplies a file with names and addresses that need to be printed onto either labels or onto the printed material in a certain space. This takes about anywhere from 30 minutes to a whole day (equipment issues) to set up aligning the print heads. Each process has its own procedures and differs between mailers. Third, depending on what the volume (quantity) is, it could take a day to a week to print names and addresses onto the printed material. Fourth, keeping the addresses sorted so that they are going to the right destination can get complex sometimes. Fifth, after everything is sorted by zip codes and destinations, then comes shipping via semi to the separate sort facilities across the country and outside country destinations. Yes, depending on quantity, bulk mailing gets shipped to sort facilities across the country by contracted carriers. Sixth, it could take as much as a week to get from the mailers dock to a sort facility on the other side of the country depending on where the mailer is located. If you look at the mailing label area on your journal next time, you'll see that little square that has this saying in it: Periodicals POSTAGE PAID At Silver Springs, MD and at additional mailing offices that means that it has gone from the mailer to at least one sort facility in the path before it gets to your local post office and your home mailbox. There is also meeting the criteria of how the USPS wants things sorted and weighed and. The list is endless currently. My place of employment has had the USPS reject a load because it either weighed one pound more or less than what is stated on the documents. The USPS also has guidelines that have to be met about thickness and weight of paper. That can hold up a mailing also. This is not to say that this is how AMSAT does the mailing of the journal. I am just stating how its done at my place of employment to give everyone an idea of what it takes to mail the Journal each time. Things do change each time the Journal is mailed so that has to be taken into account each time. Proposed deadlines have to be met to keep things flowing. If one deadline is not met, that can hold things up by a week or more
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Joe, Mine arrived relatively recently. For years I have noticed that I get magazines, newsletters, etc, not just the Journal, significantly later than others. One of the mysteries of snail mail and living in the country. Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Gary Joe Mayfield Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:24 PM To: 'Gould Smith'; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal Gould, Please don't take my message the wrong way. I love the journal, but have had MANY delivery issues. I have yet to receive the May/June issue. 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: Gould Smith [mailto:gould...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:21 PM To: Gary Joe Mayfield; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: Latest AMSAT Journal The latest AMSAT Journal (July/August 2010) will be at the printer's next week. We are always open to new submissions, this is he main contributing factor for the delay in getting the Journal out. Kudos to Ed Long, JoAnne Maenpaa and Bill Hook for doing a great job! Also, Many Thanks to the authors that make the Journal such an anticipated publication. 73, Gould, WA4SXM - Original Message - From: John Neeley w6...@att.net To: Gary Joe Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Journal May/June I received last Tuesday. Looks like they are an issue behind. W6ZKH From: Gary Joe Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 7:22:54 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Journal What is the most recent AMSAT Journal? When did it show up at people's QTH? Thanks and 73, Joe kk0sd ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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You know that it still costs only 3 cents to mail a letter (same charge that was made during the Civil War). The remainder is for storage costs! Glen, K9STH Website: http://k9sth.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Steve, I believe AMSAT is sending the Journal, and I don't remember claiming they weren't. I also know it quite often doesn't get here. It is the only piece of regularly scheduled mail I have trouble with. I suspect the postal service is having problems between me and AMSAT. I was just checking to see if that has happened again. The answer I got leads me to believe it is too soon to tell with this issue of the magazine. I asked the original question simply because it is very difficult to know when you were supposed to get something you didn't get :-) 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of STeve Andre' Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:30 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Latest AMSAT Journal On Saturday 28 August 2010 00:24:10 Gary Joe Mayfield wrote: Gould, Please don't take my message the wrong way. I love the journal, but have had MANY delivery issues. I have yet to receive the May/June issue. 73, Joe kk0sd Joe, Don't assume that AMSAT didn't send it to you 'till you've verified it with them and they think they had a problem. I've had delivery issues on things too, and it is the fault of the Post Office. Your local PO can range from fantastic to wretched, and here in Ann Arbor MI, it seems like we're more towards the wrong end of the scale. One issue of QST had a completely mangled front cover, so bad that I called the PO here and complained. The response was... Oh.. Lansing MI on the other hand, has such an efficient system that a letter mail to my home town of Ann Arbor *gets there faster* than the same thing mailed *in* Ann Arbor in most cases. So when the ham mag you've been waiting for looks like a war refugee, or has been AWOL for 1 week+, think about the system that carries it to you. Note: This is not a rant against the USPO--I support it, but I think it needs help, and I don't think that money is the answer. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en82 ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Also, watch for the results of Field Day 2010 in the July/August issue of the AMSAT Journal. 73...bruce ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Gould, Please don't take my message the wrong way. I love the journal, but have had MANY delivery issues. I have yet to receive the May/June issue. 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: Gould Smith [mailto:gould...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:21 PM To: Gary Joe Mayfield; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: Latest AMSAT Journal The latest AMSAT Journal (July/August 2010) will be at the printer's next week. We are always open to new submissions, this is he main contributing factor for the delay in getting the Journal out. Kudos to Ed Long, JoAnne Maenpaa and Bill Hook for doing a great job! Also, Many Thanks to the authors that make the Journal such an anticipated publication. 73, Gould, WA4SXM - Original Message - From: John Neeley w6...@att.net To: Gary Joe Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Journal May/June I received last Tuesday. Looks like they are an issue behind. W6ZKH From: Gary Joe Mayfield gary_mayfi...@hotmail.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 7:22:54 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Journal What is the most recent AMSAT Journal? When did it show up at people's QTH? Thanks and 73, Joe kk0sd ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
