[amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
Bob, There are always a few that refuse to pay for anything and spend most of their time trying to get something for free. If you spend a little on AMSAT then you can use the time that would be spent on finding something for free, learning how to operate Satellites or build some of the antennas published in the Journal and save real $ Most important is not to give any encouragement to the constant complainers that never contribute anything to anything. Art, KC6QUH -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bob- W7LRD Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:02 AM To: Joel Black Cc: AMSAT Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits Hi Joel and all -This is a timely question for me. Yesterday I organized and ran (with the help of Wayne-W9AE) a AMSAT table at a local hamfest. I had the opportunity to meet many local hams both satellite ops and the curious. I extolled the virtues of AMSAT and the satellite community in general. A few points I noticed as an undercurrent in some of the conversations. We hams are generally a frugal bunch and in some cases just plain cheap. I had several antennas on display as well as several pictures, one was of an astronaut on a EVA installing one of our antennas on the outside of the space station. Some of the questions went like this, one guy asked, "do you have to belong to AMSAT to operate satellites?", can I get this software (Satpc32) free on line?" "are these books available any where else?" My response to these and similar queries was, "see this picture?" what do you think the shipping cost is?" "What we do, is rocket science, and rocket science is not cheap". How many active satellite operators do not belong to AMSAT? How many use pirated tracking programs. How many do not contribute "something" to AMSAT. Maybe some aspect of of AMSAT ticks you off, so you cut the cord. I'm sure some part of the government ticks you off, you don't move to Canada. In order for AMSAT and our efforts to succeed it takes money, and yes probably lots of it. This event was a learning process for me and in the future I hope to hone my abilities and create more dues paying and contributing members. Finally- "this is rocket science and rocket science is not cheap. 73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator - Original Message - From: "Joel Black" To: "AMSAT" Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 6:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] Membership Benefits AMSAT-BB, I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... If you were giving a presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of AMSAT, what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of AMSAT? What would be the single most important reason? 73, Joel, W4JBB ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4923 (20100307) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
At 08:02 AM 3/7/2010, Bob- W7LRD wrote: >Hi Joel and all -This is a timely question for >me. Yesterday I organized and ran (with the >help of Wayne-W9AE) a AMSAT table at a local >hamfest. I had the opportunity to meet many >local hams both satellite ops and the >curious. I extolled the virtues of AMSAT and >the satellite community in general. A few >points I noticed as an undercurrent in some of >the conversations. We hams are generally a >frugal bunch and in some cases just plain >cheap. I had several antennas on display as >well as several pictures, one was of an >astronaut on a EVA installing one of our  >antennas on the outside of the space >station. Some of the questions went like this, >one guy asked, "do you have to belong to AMSAT >to operate satellites?", can I get this software >(Satpc32) free on line?" "are these books >available any where else?" My response to >these and similar queries was, "see this >picture?" what do you think the shipping cost >is?" "What we do, is rocket science, and >rocket science is not cheap".  How many >active satellite operators do not belong to >AMSAT? How many use pirated tracking >programs. How many do not contribute >"something" to AMSAT. Maybe some aspect of of >AMSAT ticks you off, so you cut the cord. I'm >sure some part of the government ticks you off, >you don't move to Canada. In order for AMSAT >and our efforts to succeed it takes money, and >yes probably lots of it. This event was a >learning process for me and in the future I hope >to hone my abilities and create more dues >paying and contributing members. Finally- >"this is rocket science and rocket science is >not cheap. 73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT >area coordinator - Original Message - >From: "Joel Black" To: >"AMSAT" Sent: Sunday, March >7, 2010 6:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific >Subject: [amsat-bb]  Membership Benefits >AMSAT-BB, I realize what I'm going to get by >asking this...  If you were giving a >presentation to amateur radio operators who know >little or nothing of AMSAT, what would you list >as some of the benefits of being a member of >AMSAT?  What would be the single most important >reason? 73, Joel, W4JBB >___ >Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed >are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? >Join now to support the amateur satellite >program! Subscription settings: >http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >___ >Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed >are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? >Join now to support the amateur satellite >program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Re: being a member of Amsat: That is the "minimum" we can support amateur satellites with. I am proud of my low Amsat membership# as that shows I have been a long-standing member. If I could afford more I would become a life-member, but in my retirement we will manage to come up with our annual dues. "Cheap"? I know, considering the cost of "rocket science"! I have been a field-op since about 1998. I have handed the torch off (sponsored) to four others in Alaska to become field-ops (they do a superb job). I now try to support with technical advice, if I can. I have fond memories of the early years in ham satellites (AO-6). Looking forward to more with Amsat in the future. My hat is off the volunteers that make it all possible (and to the members that support them). 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com 500-KHz/CW, 144-MHz EME, 1296-MHz EME DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
AMSAT members receive an every-other-month printed Journal ... discounts on some satellite tracking software and publications ... members can proudly boast that they are supporting amateur satellite programs ... and talk to your CPA - AMSAT-NA is a 501(c)(3) organization that can be left a few bucks in one's will, Clint Bradford, K6LCS ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
Let's try it off the cuff... AMSAT is the central collection point for current satellite status, future technological development, international lobbying efforts, informational resources, contact coordination, information dissemination, etc (forgot "debate") Without AMSAT and its BB reflector, a potential or existing Satellite operator would spend, days, weeks, months or maybe years Googleing resources to ease their introduction to the multiple aspects of the hobby. Has anyone seen an up to date hard/softcover book that answers the majority of the questions that we see go by the BB every day? Would 2.4 or 1.2 GHz have any activity if not for the AMSAT BB? How about automatic frequency control and tracking? What's the information worth to the individual?...that's a personal decision. But without communication, interest declines resulting in a who cares attitude...after all most of us have cellphones that can probably accomplish many of the tasks we perform through satellites less expensively. Roger WA1KAT Bob- W7LRD wrote: > > > Hi Joel and all > > -This is a timely question for me. Yesterday I organized and ran (with the > help of Wayne-W9AE) a AMSAT table at a local hamfest. I had the opportunity > to meet many local hams both satellite ops and the curious. I extolled the > virtues of AMSAT and the satellite community in general. A few points I > noticed as an undercurrent in some of the conversations. We hams are > generally a frugal bunch and in some cases just plain cheap. I had several > antennas on display as well as several pictures, one was of an astronaut on a > EVA installing one of our antennas on the outside of the space station. > Some of the questions went like this, one guy asked, "do you have to belong > to AMSAT to operate satellites?", can I get this software (Satpc32) free on > line?" "are these books available any where else?" My response to these and > similar queries was, "see this picture?" what do you think the shipping cost > is?" "What we do, is rocket science, and rocket science is not cheap". How > man y active satellite operators do not belong to AMSAT? How many use pirated tracking programs. How many do not contribute "something" to AMSAT. Maybe some aspect of of AMSAT ticks you off, so you cut the cord. I'm sure some part of the government ticks you off, you don't move to Canada. In order for AMSAT and our efforts to succeed it takes money, and yes probably lots of it. This event was a learning process for me and in the future I hope to hone my abilities and create more dues paying and contributing members. Finally- "this is rocket science and rocket science is not cheap. > > > > > > 73 Bob W7LRD > Washington State AMSAT area coordinator > > - Original Message - > From: "Joel Black" > To: "AMSAT" > Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 6:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [amsat-bb] Membership Benefits > > AMSAT-BB, > > I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... If you were giving a > presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of > AMSAT, what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of > AMSAT? What would be the single most important reason? > > > 73, > Joel, W4JBB > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
Hi Joel and all -This is a timely question for me. Yesterday I organized and ran (with the help of Wayne-W9AE) a AMSAT table at a local hamfest. I had the opportunity to meet many local hams both satellite ops and the curious. I extolled the virtues of AMSAT and the satellite community in general. A few points I noticed as an undercurrent in some of the conversations. We hams are generally a frugal bunch and in some cases just plain cheap. I had several antennas on display as well as several pictures, one was of an astronaut on a EVA installing one of our antennas on the outside of the space station. Some of the questions went like this, one guy asked, "do you have to belong to AMSAT to operate satellites?", can I get this software (Satpc32) free on line?" "are these books available any where else?" My response to these and similar queries was, "see this picture?" what do you think the shipping cost is?" "What we do, is rocket science, and rocket science is not cheap". How many active satellite operators do not belong to AMSAT? How many use pirated tracking programs. How many do not contribute "something" to AMSAT. Maybe some aspect of of AMSAT ticks you off, so you cut the cord. I'm sure some part of the government ticks you off, you don't move to Canada. In order for AMSAT and our efforts to succeed it takes money, and yes probably lots of it. This event was a learning process for me and in the future I hope to hone my abilities and create more dues paying and contributing members. Finally- "this is rocket science and rocket science is not cheap. 73 Bob W7LRD Washington State AMSAT area coordinator - Original Message - From: "Joel Black" To: "AMSAT" Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 6:40:33 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] Membership Benefits AMSAT-BB, I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... If you were giving a presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of AMSAT, what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of AMSAT? What would be the single most important reason? 73, Joel, W4JBB ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
Amsat-bb I just renewed my annual membership as I appreciate the continued great tech advice everyone is willing to provide when a question is posted on the bb and help fund currrent sats, launches in progress. 73, Bruce KG4YEV - Original Message - From: "Dee" To: "'Joel Black'" ; "'AMSAT'" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:04 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits > Joel, > As put before, we are the only organization that directly supports Amateur > Radio Satellites. Everything we do supports this effort. Those that use > the satellites for their fun and DO NOT belong to AMSAT are defeating this > effort. Satellites don't magically appear for everyone's benefit. > Whenever I give a talk, my bottom line is "I work for donations!" We are > striving for the best bang for the buck and putting a satellite in orbit > that gives back the most in returns. > Pass the hat and pass the solar panels! > 73, > Dee, NB2F > NJ AMSAT Co-coordinator > > -Original Message- > From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On > Behalf Of Joel Black > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:41 AM > To: AMSAT > Subject: [amsat-bb] Membership Benefits > > AMSAT-BB, > > I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... If you were giving a > presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of > AMSAT, > what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of AMSAT? > What would be the single most important reason? > > > 73, > Joel, W4JBB > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > > ___ > Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
Joel, As put before, we are the only organization that directly supports Amateur Radio Satellites. Everything we do supports this effort. Those that use the satellites for their fun and DO NOT belong to AMSAT are defeating this effort. Satellites don't magically appear for everyone's benefit. Whenever I give a talk, my bottom line is "I work for donations!" We are striving for the best bang for the buck and putting a satellite in orbit that gives back the most in returns. Pass the hat and pass the solar panels! 73, Dee, NB2F NJ AMSAT Co-coordinator -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Joel Black Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:41 AM To: AMSAT Subject: [amsat-bb] Membership Benefits AMSAT-BB, I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... If you were giving a presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of AMSAT, what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of AMSAT? What would be the single most important reason? 73, Joel, W4JBB ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Membership Benefits
At 05:40 AM 3/7/2010, Joel Black wrote: >AMSAT-BB, > >I realize what I'm going to get by asking this... If you were giving a >presentation to amateur radio operators who know little or nothing of >AMSAT, what would you list as some of the benefits of being a member of >AMSAT? What would be the single most important reason? > > >73, >Joel, W4JBB >___ >Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! >Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Supporting the launch of new ham satellites. 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com 500-KHz/CW, 144-MHz EME, 1296-MHz EME DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
