[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs
Hi Gordon, I don't recall that when I signed up. Unless they changed the setup or it's "different" for DX stations, I'm not certain. So basically, they are looking for a copy of your license, which has your address on it and say an envelope with your telephone,electric bill or some form of "official" business entity that can be cross referenced to confirm you and your QTH. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: "Gordon JC Pearce" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:27 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs > On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 00:06 -0800, Jeff Yanko wrote: >> Hi Gordon, >> >> What personal information does LoTW request that isn't listed on QRZ.com >> or >> buckmaster.com? Are they asking for more or different information from >> DX >> stations than from U.S. stations? >> >> >> 73, >> >> Jeff WB3JFS > > When I checked, they wanted me to send in a copy of my licence and > something else with my home address on it. > > Gordon MM0YEQ > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 00:06 -0800, Jeff Yanko wrote: > Hi Gordon, > > What personal information does LoTW request that isn't listed on QRZ.com or > buckmaster.com? Are they asking for more or different information from DX > stations than from U.S. stations? > > > 73, > > Jeff WB3JFS When I checked, they wanted me to send in a copy of my licence and something else with my home address on it. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs and VUCC LoTW -- more uploads by WD9EWK to LOTW
Hi Gary! > Do you ever show the same callsign from multiple grids? I suspect > you or John, K6YK have the most confirmed by LOTW. I have seen the same call from multiple grids in my LOTW QSLs. Some of them have been selected by LOTW as the QSL for those grids, and others are visible when I use the query tool to look for QSOs or QSLs with specific stations. I set up a "VUCC account" in LOTW, covering my activity from in and around Phoenix within the 200km limitation. That rule shows me with 90 grids confirmed. Of those, here are calls that LOTW is showing QSLs from multiple grids in that 90: KD6PAG (9 grids from John in 2006-2008) XE2RV (3 grids, when he lived in DL55) W6GMT (3 from Brock, in 3 different states) WC7V (3 grids) XE2YBG (a couple of grids in northeastern Mexico) AA5CK (a couple of grids) I am not seeing a few others that I thought would be uploaded. I will need to go back and confirm how the callsigns were put in the QSO records from the other stations. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs and VUCC LoTW -- more uploads by WD9EWK to LOTW
Ted, I never noticed, but my records also look like it is tracking by callsign and not grid square. Does anyone's records show the same callsign from multiple grids? Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK, Do you ever show the same callsign from multiple grids? I suspect you or John, K6YK have the most confirmed by LOTW. 73, Joe kk0sd -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Ted Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 1:14 PM To: 'Zachary Beougher'; amsat-bb@amsat.org; 'John Papay' Subject: [amsat-bb] VUCC Costs and VUCC LoTW Would it not make sense for someone to summarize all these issues and make a formal request to Bill Moore and request some clarification? Also, as to VUCC in LoTW, it looks like it is not tracking by GRID. For example, in my account, I show 1 contact from John, K8YSE. Well, I know I have maybe 5-6 grids confirmed from John. So to get to 100 grids, LoTW should be showing the number of GRID contacts with John instead of just 1 contact. (unless I'm missing something) Thanks, Ted K7TRK -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Zachary Beougher Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:11 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; John Papay Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs (re-send with corrections) I can deal with the $.20/QSO fee, but what I am wondering now is if they charge you $.20/QSO if that QSO was in the same grid. Here is what I mean: I received a QSL card from K8YSE with the following QSOs on it: 8/22/10 1916z V/U 59 FM AO27 EN57jv (K8YSE Grid) 8/22/10 1947z V/U 59 FM SO50 EN57jv (K8YSE Grid) Now, I will obviously be sending in this card to get credit for ONE grid - EN57. I understand that the rules say $.20/QSO, but are they going to charge me for both QSOs that are contained on the same QSL card and were both contacts from the same grid? I guess the rules are pretty clear - include $.20/QSO - but it seems like it may be more reasonable to say $.20/QSL card; or maybe $.20/grid. I don't understand why they would charge you for two QSOs that were from the same grid AND are on the same QSL card. What it boils down to is if I work (eg.) K8YSE in EN90/EM99 next Saturday, and lets say I work him 3 times, when I come home and send out QSL cards I am naturally going to include in the card all the QSOs we had at that location. I would then send the card off to him, and when he would go to get credit for it he would be charged $.60 for that one QSL card - $.20 for each QSO. So, because I included all QSOs on that one card, I have now cost K8YSE an extra $.40. When you have a few more cards that contain this same scenario, it begins to add up. It seems like it would be much easier to just raise the flat fee than charge per QSO, along with a flat fee. It takes enough time for the applicant to sort cards and grids, let alone have to go through and count all QSOs. Sorry to gripe. I am not against ARRL raising the fee (to some extent), but it seems like it could be done in a more efficient manner than charging by QSO. Just my $.20 - literally. ;-) Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: John Papay Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:53 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs (re-send with corrections) The new fee schedule has brought forth a lot of comments. Twenty cents a card seems like a lot of money but consider how much you spent to get that card. An SASE with a stamp on it plus the stamp for sending it here in the US costs you $.88. If you send for a DX card to countries other than Canada and Mexico, it's $.98 for the postage and an IRC costs $2.10. If you are lucky, you will get a DX card back for $3.08. If you're not lucky, you'll send for it again hoping to get a reply. Then there's the cost of the cards to add in, maybe $.10 each, and the envelopes, hopefully self seal so the other guy doesn't have to spend time moistening and sealing it. Maybe you bought one of those stamps that say QSO Verified by (Callsign) at $25. Then there are special airmail envelopes, one slightly smaller than the other from Plum. It's starting to add up. If everyone would use LOTW for satellite qso's, the savings would be impressive. No postage, no cards, and just a $.16/card to get credit for the grid. But cards are nice to receive; much more personable and they sometimes have other useful info. So after you spent all that money to get the card, spending another $.20 to submit it for VUCC doesn't seem all that bad. 73, John K8YSE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.or
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs
Hi Gordon, What personal information does LoTW request that isn't listed on QRZ.com or buckmaster.com? Are they asking for more or different information from DX stations than from U.S. stations? 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: "Gordon JC Pearce" To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:49 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs > On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 14:30 -0800, Jeff Yanko wrote: > >> That's why I've been stressing the use of LoTW and it makes much more >> sense >> to pay 17.5 cents per QSO than pay nearly $3.00 for a piece of paper via >> the >> mail. > > I went to register with LoTW when I got my licence first, but I'm > unhappy about the registration process which requires me to send a great > deal of personal information to some random person in America. > > Gordon MM0YEQ > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs
On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 14:30 -0800, Jeff Yanko wrote: > That's why I've been stressing the use of LoTW and it makes much more sense > to pay 17.5 cents per QSO than pay nearly $3.00 for a piece of paper via the > mail. I went to register with LoTW when I got my licence first, but I'm unhappy about the registration process which requires me to send a great deal of personal information to some random person in America. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
Hi John, At 16 cents per QSO LoTW VUCC fee is more affordable than what we are currently doing. Let me explain. Let's say you make 100 QSO's with 100 grids. Instead of sending out QSLs with SASE's at a total of 88 cents a piece, 44 cents to send and 44 cents for return, one QSO will cost you 16 cents. Period. So requesting QSL's via the P.O will cost you $88. A confirmation of the same 100 grids via LoTW will cost you $16. A savings of $72. Big difference. Now, the big problem. Getting those who operate the birds to upload their logs to LoTW. It won't work unless most participate, that's the sad part. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: "John Geiger" To: "Jeff Yanko" ; "Amsat-Bb@Amsat. Org" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs > Even at the 16 cent a QSO LOTW fee that sure is a jump up in price from > what it used to be. I am afraid I won't be able to afford many > endorsements. maybe AMSAT can offer their own version of a satellite VUCC. > > 73s John AA5JG > > - Original Message - > From: "Jeff Yanko" > To: "John Geiger" ; ; > "Amsat-Bb@Amsat. Org" ; "'VHF REFLECTOR'" > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs > > >> Hi John, >> >> It's funny how HQ never came out and stated there would be new fees >> beginning of the new year. Then again why would you want to scare away >> potential customers? In any case, I finally took my cards over to the >> local card checker to have him verify them for VUCC Satellite. My cost? >> $47.40. I understand it's a one time deal for the initial application, >> which this was, and there costs involved. Just the 20 cent per QSO fee >> cost me $27.40 alone. That's more than the award cost itself. Actually, >> more than twice of what the award cost. Doesn't make any economical or >> logical sense if you ask me. I don't believe I'll be doing many, if any, >> endorsements of VUCC at the current fees level. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Jeff WB3JFS >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "John Geiger" >> To: ; "Amsat-Bb@Amsat. Org" ; >> "'VHF REFLECTOR'" >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:07 AM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs >> >> >>>I WAS going to get an endorsement for my satellite and six meter VUCCs, >>>but >>> given that it would cost me around 35 dollars each to get an endorsement >>> for >>> an extra 150 grids, I don't think so. Hope this new insane fee schedule >>> doesn't kill VUCC submissions. I think AMSAT awards will be getting >>> much >>> more popular. >>> >>> 73s John AA5JG >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:25 PM >>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs >>> >>> >>>> Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, >>>> I >>>> did >>>> not see what happens with LOTW submisions. >>>> >>>> If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award >>>> insurance >>>> as well as equipment insurance. Just a thought. :>) >>>> >>>> Merle, AA4QE >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the >>>> author. >>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>>> program! >>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> ___ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >> >> > > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
Even at the 16 cent a QSO LOTW fee that sure is a jump up in price from what it used to be. I am afraid I won't be able to afford many endorsements. maybe AMSAT can offer their own version of a satellite VUCC. 73s John AA5JG - Original Message - From: "Jeff Yanko" To: "John Geiger" ; ; "Amsat-Bb@Amsat. Org" ; "'VHF REFLECTOR'" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs > Hi John, > > It's funny how HQ never came out and stated there would be new fees > beginning of the new year. Then again why would you want to scare away > potential customers? In any case, I finally took my cards over to the > local card checker to have him verify them for VUCC Satellite. My cost? > $47.40. I understand it's a one time deal for the initial application, > which this was, and there costs involved. Just the 20 cent per QSO fee > cost me $27.40 alone. That's more than the award cost itself. Actually, > more than twice of what the award cost. Doesn't make any economical or > logical sense if you ask me. I don't believe I'll be doing many, if any, > endorsements of VUCC at the current fees level. > > > > 73, > > Jeff WB3JFS > > > > > - Original Message ----- > From: "John Geiger" > To: ; "Amsat-Bb@Amsat. Org" ; > "'VHF REFLECTOR'" > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:07 AM > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs > > >>I WAS going to get an endorsement for my satellite and six meter VUCCs, >>but >> given that it would cost me around 35 dollars each to get an endorsement >> for >> an extra 150 grids, I don't think so. Hope this new insane fee schedule >> doesn't kill VUCC submissions. I think AMSAT awards will be getting much >> more popular. >> >> 73s John AA5JG >> >> - Original Message - >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:25 PM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs >> >> >>> Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, >>> I >>> did >>> not see what happens with LOTW submisions. >>> >>> If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award >>> insurance >>> as well as equipment insurance. Just a thought. :>) >>> >>> Merle, AA4QE >>> >>> ___ >>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> >> ___ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >> > > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs
Hi John, You're right about the costs. I just looked at the costs for a big HF mailing. I bought 25 - 98 cent air mail stamps for $24.50. Ordered $65 dollars in return postage stamps from Bill Plum. (IRC's don't seem to get a good return rate compared to return postage stamps. Plus the P.O. always seems to screw up the stamping of the IRC so it becomes invalid.) So for about $90 one can get 35 QSL's returned, if the other party co-operates. That's why I've been stressing the use of LoTW and it makes much more sense to pay 17.5 cents per QSO than pay nearly $3.00 for a piece of paper via the mail. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: "John Papay" To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs > The new fee schedule has brought forth a lot of > comments. Twenty cents a card seems like a lot of > money but consider how much you spent to get that card. > > An SASE with a stamp on it plus the stamp for sending > it here in the US costs you $.88. If you send for a > DX card to countries other than Canada and Europe, it's > $.98 for the postage and an IRC costs $2.10. If you are > lucky, you will get a DX card back for $3.08. If you're > not lucky, you'll send for it again hoping to get a reply. > > Then there's the cost of the cards to add in, maybe $.10 each, > and the envelopes, hopefully self seal so the other guy doesn't > have to spend time moistening and sealing it. Maybv > > > So after you spent all that money to get the card, spending > another $.20 to submit it for VUCC doesn't seem all that bad. > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
Hi John, It's funny how HQ never came out and stated there would be new fees beginning of the new year. Then again why would you want to scare away potential customers? In any case, I finally took my cards over to the local card checker to have him verify them for VUCC Satellite. My cost? $47.40. I understand it's a one time deal for the initial application, which this was, and there costs involved. Just the 20 cent per QSO fee cost me $27.40 alone. That's more than the award cost itself. Actually, more than twice of what the award cost. Doesn't make any economical or logical sense if you ask me. I don't believe I'll be doing many, if any, endorsements of VUCC at the current fees level. 73, Jeff WB3JFS - Original Message - From: "John Geiger" To: ; "Amsat-Bb@Amsat. Org" ; "'VHF REFLECTOR'" Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:07 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs >I WAS going to get an endorsement for my satellite and six meter VUCCs, but > given that it would cost me around 35 dollars each to get an endorsement > for > an extra 150 grids, I don't think so. Hope this new insane fee schedule > doesn't kill VUCC submissions. I think AMSAT awards will be getting much > more popular. > > 73s John AA5JG > > ----- Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:25 PM > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs > > >> Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, I >> did >> not see what happens with LOTW submisions. >> >> If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award >> insurance >> as well as equipment insurance. Just a thought. :>) >> >> Merle, AA4QE >> >> ___ >> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >> program! >> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb > ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs (re-send with corrections)
I can deal with the $.20/QSO fee, but what I am wondering now is if they charge you $.20/QSO if that QSO was in the same grid. Here is what I mean: I received a QSL card from K8YSE with the following QSOs on it: 8/22/10 1916z V/U 59 FM AO27 EN57jv (K8YSE Grid) 8/22/10 1947z V/U 59 FM SO50 EN57jv (K8YSE Grid) Now, I will obviously be sending in this card to get credit for ONE grid - EN57. I understand that the rules say $.20/QSO, but are they going to charge me for both QSOs that are contained on the same QSL card and were both contacts from the same grid? I guess the rules are pretty clear - include $.20/QSO - but it seems like it may be more reasonable to say $.20/QSL card; or maybe $.20/grid. I don’t understand why they would charge you for two QSOs that were from the same grid AND are on the same QSL card. What it boils down to is if I work (eg.) K8YSE in EN90/EM99 next Saturday, and lets say I work him 3 times, when I come home and send out QSL cards I am naturally going to include in the card all the QSOs we had at that location. I would then send the card off to him, and when he would go to get credit for it he would be charged $.60 for that one QSL card - $.20 for each QSO. So, because I included all QSOs on that one card, I have now cost K8YSE an extra $.40. When you have a few more cards that contain this same scenario, it begins to add up. It seems like it would be much easier to just raise the flat fee than charge per QSO, along with a flat fee. It takes enough time for the applicant to sort cards and grids, let alone have to go through and count all QSOs. Sorry to gripe. I am not against ARRL raising the fee (to some extent), but it seems like it could be done in a more efficient manner than charging by QSO. Just my $.20 - literally. ;-) Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: John Papay Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:53 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs (re-send with corrections) The new fee schedule has brought forth a lot of comments. Twenty cents a card seems like a lot of money but consider how much you spent to get that card. An SASE with a stamp on it plus the stamp for sending it here in the US costs you $.88. If you send for a DX card to countries other than Canada and Mexico, it's $.98 for the postage and an IRC costs $2.10. If you are lucky, you will get a DX card back for $3.08. If you're not lucky, you'll send for it again hoping to get a reply. Then there's the cost of the cards to add in, maybe $.10 each, and the envelopes, hopefully self seal so the other guy doesn't have to spend time moistening and sealing it. Maybe you bought one of those stamps that say QSO Verified by (Callsign) at $25. Then there are special airmail envelopes, one slightly smaller than the other from Plum. It's starting to add up. If everyone would use LOTW for satellite qso's, the savings would be impressive. No postage, no cards, and just a $.16/card to get credit for the grid. But cards are nice to receive; much more personable and they sometimes have other useful info. So after you spent all that money to get the card, spending another $.20 to submit it for VUCC doesn't seem all that bad. 73, John K8YSE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs (re-send with corrections)
The new fee schedule has brought forth a lot of comments. Twenty cents a card seems like a lot of money but consider how much you spent to get that card. An SASE with a stamp on it plus the stamp for sending it here in the US costs you $.88. If you send for a DX card to countries other than Canada and Mexico, it's $.98 for the postage and an IRC costs $2.10. If you are lucky, you will get a DX card back for $3.08. If you're not lucky, you'll send for it again hoping to get a reply. Then there's the cost of the cards to add in, maybe $.10 each, and the envelopes, hopefully self seal so the other guy doesn't have to spend time moistening and sealing it. Maybe you bought one of those stamps that say QSO Verified by (Callsign) at $25. Then there are special airmail envelopes, one slightly smaller than the other from Plum. It's starting to add up. If everyone would use LOTW for satellite qso's, the savings would be impressive. No postage, no cards, and just a $.16/card to get credit for the grid. But cards are nice to receive; much more personable and they sometimes have other useful info. So after you spent all that money to get the card, spending another $.20 to submit it for VUCC doesn't seem all that bad. 73, John K8YSE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs
The new fee schedule has brought forth a lot of comments. Twenty cents a card seems like a lot of money but consider how much you spent to get that card. An SASE with a stamp on it plus the stamp for sending it here in the US costs you $.88. If you send for a DX card to countries other than Canada and Europe, it's $.98 for the postage and an IRC costs $2.10. If you are lucky, you will get a DX card back for $3.08. If you're not lucky, you'll send for it again hoping to get a reply. Then there's the cost of the cards to add in, maybe $.10 each, and the envelopes, hopefully self seal so the other guy doesn't have to spend time moistening and sealing it. Maybv So after you spent all that money to get the card, spending another $.20 to submit it for VUCC doesn't seem all that bad. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
I WAS going to get an endorsement for my satellite and six meter VUCCs, but given that it would cost me around 35 dollars each to get an endorsement for an extra 150 grids, I don't think so. Hope this new insane fee schedule doesn't kill VUCC submissions. I think AMSAT awards will be getting much more popular. 73s John AA5JG - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:25 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs > Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, I > did > not see what happens with LOTW submisions. > > If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award > insurance > as well as equipment insurance. Just a thought. :>) > > Merle, AA4QE > > ___ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, I did not see what happens with LOTW submisions. If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award insurance as well as equipment insurance. Just a thought. :>) Merle, AA4QE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
