[analog-help] First time user - help!
Hi I recently downloaded Analog and also recently have been able to access our raw logs for our website. Now today I changed the analog.cfg file to point towards my file that has the downloaded log files (as instructed by the Analog instructions) so I could get a report. Everything seemed fine and I 'ran' Analog which just flashed up an MS Dos screen really quickly. After reading that it would run almost immediately the first time, I didn't think anything of this. I then found a 'report.htm' in my Analog file and opened it. At the top it stated: Web Server Statistics for www.fulbright.co.uk (my site) Program started at Thu-04-Jul-2002 11:01 Analysed requests from Fri-31-Dec-199 10:11 to Tue-04-Jan-2000 13:11 Now at first I thought 'yeh', this is my site stats but then saw the dates and then looked through the report and realised it couldn't be as it had things like orgs than requested files cam.ac.uk and analog.cx - which is so not who is going to be requesting stuff from us. Or maybe I am just getting it all wrong. Its really important for our organisation to get our stats monthly (largely we need hits and visits) and I am an amateur when it comes to things like this. Oh one other thing, when I run a report does it save and overwrite the one run previously? If anyone can offer me help, I would really appreciate it Cheers Lisa Ingarfield * Lisa Ingarfield Educational Adviser US Educational Advisory Service The Fulbright Commission Fulbright House 62 Doughty Street London WC1N 2JZ United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)20 7539 4402 Fax: +44 (0)20 7404 6874 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.fulbright.co.uk + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Aengus wrote: There shouldn't be a DNS lock file, unless you have a DNSLOCKFILE directive in your configuration. That's not true. There is always a DNSLOCKFILE. -- Stephen Turner, Cambridge, UKhttp://homepage.ntlworld.com/adelie/stephen/ This is Henman's 8th Wimbledon, and he's only lost 7 matches. BBC, 2/Jul/01 + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the replies. I've added these two lines to analog.cfg: DNSFILE dnscache DNS WRITE When I run Analog for the first time, it would say: [C:\...] analog.exe: analog version 5.23/Win32 [C:\...] analog.exe: Warning F: Failed to open DNS input file [C:\...]dnscache: ignoring it When I run Analog for the second time, it would say: [C:\...] analog.exe: analog version 5.23/Win32 [C:\...] analog.exe: Warning F: DNS lock file [C:\...]dnslock already exists: backing off to DNS LOOKUP There shouldn't be a DNS lock file, unless you have a DNSLOCKFILE directive in your configuration. And even if you do, it should be deleted when Analog completes successfully. But you shouldn't need it if you are running Analog on your desktop, and don't have to worry about two copies of Analog writing to the same DNS file at the same time. If I haven't mistaken, DNS LOOKUP is just to look up DNS but no DNS file is created. Then that means that every time I will have to look up the DNS when analyzing the weekly logs? BTW, the DNS LOOKUP works properly. Use one of the DNS helper apps and set Analog to use DNS READ. http://www.analog.cx/helpers/index.html#dns Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
There may be other ways, but I believe that by adding something similar to the following to your analog.cfg file it will resolve host names - this will slow down the processing considerably though please note and you must be connected to the internet when processing for it to work. DNSFILE dnscache DNSLOCKFILE dnsloc DNS WRITE DNSGOODHOURS 744 DNSBADHOURS 10 Hope that helps Regards, John Harman Infotex (UK) Limited www.infotex.co.uk - Original Message - From: Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2002 04:42 Subject: [analog-help] First-time user Dear all, I've been testing out Analog during the past few days. I'm on a shared hosting server and all I have access to logs. The logs are rotated once a week, so I downloaded the previous week's log and generated a stats page (in Windows XP) with Analog. It seems to work very nicely. Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? When I click on Domain Report I get 100% unresolved numerical addresses and in Organization Report I get numbers. Keep in mind that I do not own a server and all I do is download the logs and run Analog from my Windows home computer. I am quite ignorant in this field, so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? http://www.analog.cx/docs/dns.html Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Hey Kar, Well, I isntalled analogX QuickDNS and created a PERL script that runs in my win2k server. What this does is: 1.- Run analogx QDNS to create a DNS txt file with the addresses resolved. 2.- Run Analog! 3.- Run Report Magic. Specify this in analog.cfg #DNS Stuff DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) DNS READ DNSGOODHOURS 672 To execute QDNS, I use this command: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S Good luck! From: Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [analog-help] First-time user Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:42:13 -0700 Dear all, I've been testing out Analog during the past few days. I'm on a shared hosting server and all I have access to logs. The logs are rotated once a week, so I downloaded the previous week's log and generated a stats page (in Windows XP) with Analog. It seems to work very nicely. Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? When I click on Domain Report I get 100% unresolved numerical addresses and in Organization Report I get numbers. Keep in mind that I do not own a server and all I do is download the logs and run Analog from my Windows home computer. I am quite ignorant in this field, so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
I'm new too and would like to ask about what you've written below. Where exactly does this DNS file come from (dnsfile.txt)? I'm trying to understand this DNS stuff... DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) Thanks in Advance Christine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Agustin Chernitsky Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Hey Kar, Well, I isntalled analogX QuickDNS and created a PERL script that runs in my win2k server. What this does is: 1.- Run analogx QDNS to create a DNS txt file with the addresses resolved. 2.- Run Analog! 3.- Run Report Magic. Specify this in analog.cfg #DNS Stuff DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) DNS READ DNSGOODHOURS 672 To execute QDNS, I use this command: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S Good luck! From: Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [analog-help] First-time user Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:42:13 -0700 Dear all, I've been testing out Analog during the past few days. I'm on a shared hosting server and all I have access to logs. The logs are rotated once a week, so I downloaded the previous week's log and generated a stats page (in Windows XP) with Analog. It seems to work very nicely. Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? When I click on Domain Report I get 100% unresolved numerical addresses and in Organization Report I get numbers. Keep in mind that I do not own a server and all I do is download the logs and run Analog from my Windows home computer. I am quite ignorant in this field, so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Christine Rorer wrote: I'm new too and would like to ask about what you've written below. Where exactly does this DNS file come from (dnsfile.txt)? I'm trying to understand this DNS stuff... DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) Analog writes the DNSFILE. See docs/dns.html -- Stephen Turner, Cambridge, UKhttp://homepage.ntlworld.com/adelie/stephen/ This is Henman's 8th Wimbledon, and he's only lost 7 matches. BBC, 2/Jul/01 + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new too and would like to ask about what you've written below. Where exactly does this DNS file come from (dnsfile.txt)? I'm trying to understand this DNS stuff... Because DNS lookups are slow (very slow), Analog caches DNS lookups in a file that you specify. The next time you run Analog, it checks the file before it does the DNS lookup, and only does a DNS lookup for new addresses that aren't in the DNS file. Because Analog is designed to work this way, there are a number of 3rd party DNS helper applications that use different techniques to generate the DNS cache file, and they can usually create the file in a few minutes, whereas Analog can take hours. (This is not a criticism of Analog. Because the Analog code is designed to run on many different platforms, it uses generic techniques to do DNS lookups, and only does them one at a time. Most of the helper apps resolve many addresses at once, and are typically platform specific). So when you are using a 3rd party app to create the DNS cache file, you use DNS READ DSNFILE some.dns.file Analog will only use the addresses in the dns file, and won't look up any fresh addresses it encounters. If you specify DNS WRITE instead, Analog will try to look any addresses that it can't find in the DNS file, and write them to the file. If the file doesn't exist, and you specify DNS WRITE, Analog will create it. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
I see. Thanks. I didn't realize I needed to do DNS WRITE first. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Turner Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [analog-help] First-time user On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Christine Rorer wrote: I'm new too and would like to ask about what you've written below. Where exactly does this DNS file come from (dnsfile.txt)? I'm trying to understand this DNS stuff... DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) Analog writes the DNSFILE. See docs/dns.html -- Stephen Turner, Cambridge, UK http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adelie/stephen/ This is Henman's 8th Wimbledon, and he's only lost 7 matches. BBC, 2/Jul/01 + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
So, if I do DNS WRITE first, that creates a file. From then on, do I do DNS READ? Do I have to ever do the DNS WRITE again to create a new file? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stephen Turner Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [analog-help] First-time user On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Christine Rorer wrote: I'm new too and would like to ask about what you've written below. Where exactly does this DNS file come from (dnsfile.txt)? I'm trying to understand this DNS stuff... DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) Analog writes the DNSFILE. See docs/dns.html -- Stephen Turner, Cambridge, UK http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adelie/stephen/ This is Henman's 8th Wimbledon, and he's only lost 7 matches. BBC, 2/Jul/01 + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
Can you tell me what is the IP OF YOUR DNS in the following: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S I see this in the help file: /Y [IP Address] Specify DNS server to use for lookups But, what DNS server am I to use for lookups? Please excuse my ignorance. I am a programmer by nature, but like I said, I am new to DNS lookups. It doesn't seem like rocket science, I think I am just ignorant of the topic. Thanks in advance. Christine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Agustin Chernitsky Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Hey Kar, Well, I isntalled analogX QuickDNS and created a PERL script that runs in my win2k server. What this does is: 1.- Run analogx QDNS to create a DNS txt file with the addresses resolved. 2.- Run Analog! 3.- Run Report Magic. Specify this in analog.cfg #DNS Stuff DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) DNS READ DNSGOODHOURS 672 To execute QDNS, I use this command: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S Good luck! From: Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [analog-help] First-time user Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:42:13 -0700 Dear all, I've been testing out Analog during the past few days. I'm on a shared hosting server and all I have access to logs. The logs are rotated once a week, so I downloaded the previous week's log and generated a stats page (in Windows XP) with Analog. It seems to work very nicely. Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? When I click on Domain Report I get 100% unresolved numerical addresses and in Organization Report I get numbers. Keep in mind that I do not own a server and all I do is download the logs and run Analog from my Windows home computer. I am quite ignorant in this field, so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
Thanks a million for the explanation. How often then do I rebuild this DNS file? I'm trying to use QuickDNS, but I don't know how to use it to CREATE my DNS file. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aengus Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new too and would like to ask about what you've written below. Where exactly does this DNS file come from (dnsfile.txt)? I'm trying to understand this DNS stuff... Because DNS lookups are slow (very slow), Analog caches DNS lookups in a file that you specify. The next time you run Analog, it checks the file before it does the DNS lookup, and only does a DNS lookup for new addresses that aren't in the DNS file. Because Analog is designed to work this way, there are a number of 3rd party DNS helper applications that use different techniques to generate the DNS cache file, and they can usually create the file in a few minutes, whereas Analog can take hours. (This is not a criticism of Analog. Because the Analog code is designed to run on many different platforms, it uses generic techniques to do DNS lookups, and only does them one at a time. Most of the helper apps resolve many addresses at once, and are typically platform specific). So when you are using a 3rd party app to create the DNS cache file, you use DNS READ DSNFILE some.dns.file Analog will only use the addresses in the dns file, and won't look up any fresh addresses it encounters. If you specify DNS WRITE instead, Analog will try to look any addresses that it can't find in the DNS file, and write them to the file. If the file doesn't exist, and you specify DNS WRITE, Analog will create it. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if I do DNS WRITE first, that creates a file. From then on, do I do DNS READ? Do I have to ever do the DNS WRITE again to create a new file? if you want Analog to resolve fresh IP addresses that aren't already in the DNS cache file, then you have to use DNS WRITE. DNS READ only reads existing records from the file. If you get new visitors, coming from new IP addresses, then they won't be added to the DNS file if you use DNS READ, and they will show up as unresolved addresses in the Analog reports. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
You're awesome! Thank you. I'm starting to see that I'll just run a 3rd party product to create my DNS file and I will do it to my log files each time before I run Analog. I'm told they work faster. I'm looking at QuickDNS. The only thing I don't understand is, if the below is the syntax for instance: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S what is the IPOFMYDNS? Is it my home IP address? I'm creating this DNS file locally right now. Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aengus Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if I do DNS WRITE first, that creates a file. From then on, do I do DNS READ? Do I have to ever do the DNS WRITE again to create a new file? if you want Analog to resolve fresh IP addresses that aren't already in the DNS cache file, then you have to use DNS WRITE. DNS READ only reads existing records from the file. If you get new visitors, coming from new IP addresses, then they won't be added to the DNS file if you use DNS READ, and they will show up as unresolved addresses in the Analog reports. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a million for the explanation. How often then do I rebuild this DNS file? I'm trying to use QuickDNS, but I don't know how to use it to CREATE my DNS file. If the specified DNS file doesn't exist, it will be created. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell me what is the IP OF YOUR DNS in the following: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S I see this in the help file: /Y [IP Address] Specify DNS server to use for lookups But, what DNS server am I to use for lookups? As far as I'm concerned, it's a bug in QDNS that it won't just use your default DNS server, and requires you to specify one. But the author never responded to that suggestion. If you are on WinNT/Win2K/WinXP, open a command prompt, and type IPCONFIG /ALL Your DNS servers should be listed. If you are on Win9x, go to Start/Run and enter WinIPCFG and click Run. Again, you should find your DNS servers listed. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
Got that. I think our emails are overlapping. Thanks for baring with me. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aengus Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a million for the explanation. How often then do I rebuild this DNS file? I'm trying to use QuickDNS, but I don't know how to use it to CREATE my DNS file. If the specified DNS file doesn't exist, it will be created. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
You're really too good. I was unaware of this. Now, if there are 1, do I just pick one??? How were these assigned initially? When did the configuration occur for DNS Servers? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aengus Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell me what is the IP OF YOUR DNS in the following: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S I see this in the help file: /Y [IP Address] Specify DNS server to use for lookups But, what DNS server am I to use for lookups? As far as I'm concerned, it's a bug in QDNS that it won't just use your default DNS server, and requires you to specify one. But the author never responded to that suggestion. If you are on WinNT/Win2K/WinXP, open a command prompt, and type IPCONFIG /ALL Your DNS servers should be listed. If you are on Win9x, go to Start/Run and enter WinIPCFG and click Run. Again, you should find your DNS servers listed. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're really too good. I was unaware of this. Now, if there are 1, do I just pick one??? How were these assigned initially? If you only have a couple of hundred hosts, just pick one of the DNS server addresses and use it. If you have huge log files, with tens of thousands of hosts in them, then you should be aware that QuickDNS can really hammer a DNS server, so, in theory you should check with your network administrator before doing this. If one of the DNS servers is also doing a couple of other tasks, s/he might prefer you to use a different DNS server, or possibly one server is running on newer hardware, or a different OS, or there might even be a spare DNS server in place that isn't advertised. Local knowledge is the only answer in this situation. Or you could schedule your first run to occur at an off peak time, to minimise disruption. (Note that I don't remember any reports of anyone bringing down a DNS server using QuickDNS, but people with really huge log files tend to have fairly big servers, and fairly robust network infrastructures. But if you're a new Analog user suddenly looking at 3 years worth of web logs, you might be tempted to over reach your networks abilities!) When did the configuration occur for DNS Servers? Your machine is told about what DNS servers to use at the same time as it gets it's IP address. That might be at bootup, if you are using BOOTP or DHCP, or the information might be assigned to the machine when it was set up. Again, your Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
Aengus wrote: As far as I'm concerned, it's a bug in QDNS that it won't just use your default DNS server, and requires you to specify one. But the author never responded to that suggestion. I used QDNS for years on WIN98 with a simple link like this: E:\analog\QDNS.EXE /G ccc-txt.cfg I never specified a DNS server and it worked no problem. But after I moved to a lot faster WIN2000 pro machine I can't do anything with QDNS. The old style links either produce a quick flash, no work done, or they make it load the new IPs, none of which gets resolved, though. I tried the more complete commandline you just suggested and this is what I get in return: ** AnalogX QuickDNS (QDNS) - Quick DNS version 2.00 (Release) The instruction at 0x00406ee1 referenced memory at 0x22303dcf. The memory could not be read. *** Any idea about what it's saying? Thanks, ciao Massimo + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
That dnsfile.txt is created by AnalogX Qdns.exe. It contains a DNS Cache file. Here you make analog use that DNS file instead of using it´s own DNSfile cache. From: Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [analog-help] First-time user Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:48:22 -0500 I'm new too and would like to ask about what you've written below. Where exactly does this DNS file come from (dnsfile.txt)? I'm trying to understand this DNS stuff... DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) Thanks in Advance Christine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Agustin Chernitsky Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Hey Kar, Well, I isntalled analogX QuickDNS and created a PERL script that runs in my win2k server. What this does is: 1.- Run analogx QDNS to create a DNS txt file with the addresses resolved. 2.- Run Analog! 3.- Run Report Magic. Specify this in analog.cfg #DNS Stuff DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) DNS READ DNSGOODHOURS 672 To execute QDNS, I use this command: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S Good luck! From: Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [analog-help] First-time user Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:42:13 -0700 Dear all, I've been testing out Analog during the past few days. I'm on a shared hosting server and all I have access to logs. The logs are rotated once a week, so I downloaded the previous week's log and generated a stats page (in Windows XP) with Analog. It seems to work very nicely. Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? When I click on Domain Report I get 100% unresolved numerical addresses and in Organization Report I get numbers. Keep in mind that I do not own a server and all I do is download the logs and run Analog from my Windows home computer. I am quite ignorant in this field, so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
Just create a simple dnsfile.txt From: Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [analog-help] First-time user Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:22:54 -0500 Thanks a million for the explanation. How often then do I rebuild this DNS file? I'm trying to use QuickDNS, but I don't know how to use it to CREATE my DNS file. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aengus Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new too and would like to ask about what you've written below. Where exactly does this DNS file come from (dnsfile.txt)? I'm trying to understand this DNS stuff... Because DNS lookups are slow (very slow), Analog caches DNS lookups in a file that you specify. The next time you run Analog, it checks the file before it does the DNS lookup, and only does a DNS lookup for new addresses that aren't in the DNS file. Because Analog is designed to work this way, there are a number of 3rd party DNS helper applications that use different techniques to generate the DNS cache file, and they can usually create the file in a few minutes, whereas Analog can take hours. (This is not a criticism of Analog. Because the Analog code is designed to run on many different platforms, it uses generic techniques to do DNS lookups, and only does them one at a time. Most of the helper apps resolve many addresses at once, and are typically platform specific). So when you are using a 3rd party app to create the DNS cache file, you use DNS READ DSNFILE some.dns.file Analog will only use the addresses in the dns file, and won't look up any fresh addresses it encounters. If you specify DNS WRITE instead, Analog will try to look any addresses that it can't find in the DNS file, and write them to the file. If the file doesn't exist, and you specify DNS WRITE, Analog will create it. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
RE: [analog-help] First-time user
If you host your own DNS servers, put the IP there. If not, user your ISP dns server. From: Christine Rorer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [analog-help] First-time user Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:22:50 -0500 Can you tell me what is the IP OF YOUR DNS in the following: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S I see this in the help file: /Y [IP Address] Specify DNS server to use for lookups But, what DNS server am I to use for lookups? Please excuse my ignorance. I am a programmer by nature, but like I said, I am new to DNS lookups. It doesn't seem like rocket science, I think I am just ignorant of the topic. Thanks in advance. Christine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Agustin Chernitsky Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user Hey Kar, Well, I isntalled analogX QuickDNS and created a PERL script that runs in my win2k server. What this does is: 1.- Run analogx QDNS to create a DNS txt file with the addresses resolved. 2.- Run Analog! 3.- Run Report Magic. Specify this in analog.cfg #DNS Stuff DNSFILE (c:\Progra~1\AnalogX\QuickDNS\dnsfile.txt) DNS READ DNSGOODHOURS 672 To execute QDNS, I use this command: qdns /Y IPOFMYDNS /Z 0 /L PATHTOMYLOG\*.log /T 500 /D dnsfile.txt /S Good luck! From: Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [analog-help] First-time user Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:42:13 -0700 Dear all, I've been testing out Analog during the past few days. I'm on a shared hosting server and all I have access to logs. The logs are rotated once a week, so I downloaded the previous week's log and generated a stats page (in Windows XP) with Analog. It seems to work very nicely. Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? When I click on Domain Report I get 100% unresolved numerical addresses and in Organization Report I get numbers. Keep in mind that I do not own a server and all I do is download the logs and run Analog from my Windows home computer. I am quite ignorant in this field, so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 + _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Massimo Mezzini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aengus wrote: As far as I'm concerned, it's a bug in QDNS that it won't just use your default DNS server, and requires you to specify one. But the author never responded to that suggestion. I tried the more complete commandline you just suggested and this is what I get in return: ** AnalogX QuickDNS (QDNS) - Quick DNS version 2.00 (Release) The instruction at 0x00406ee1 referenced memory at 0x22303dcf. The memory could not be read. *** Any idea about what it's saying? No, sorry. It works on my Win2K machine, but I always have to specify /Y. If I don't, it gives Unable to listen to port 53 on main socket 'No Error'. I don't use /G because I analyse logs for lots of different servers, and usually specify them on the command line, not in a cfg file. Aengus + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
Re: [analog-help] First-time user
Thanks for all the replies. I've added these two lines to analog.cfg: DNSFILE dnscache DNS WRITE When I run Analog for the first time, it would say: [C:\...] analog.exe: analog version 5.23/Win32 [C:\...] analog.exe: Warning F: Failed to open DNS input file [C:\...]dnscache: ignoring it When I run Analog for the second time, it would say: [C:\...] analog.exe: analog version 5.23/Win32 [C:\...] analog.exe: Warning F: DNS lock file [C:\...]dnslock already exists: backing off to DNS LOOKUP If I haven't mistaken, DNS LOOKUP is just to look up DNS but no DNS file is created. Then that means that every time I will have to look up the DNS when analyzing the weekly logs? BTW, the DNS LOOKUP works properly. Thanks in advance, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com - Original Message - From: John Harman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: Re: [analog-help] First-time user There may be other ways, but I believe that by adding something similar to the following to your analog.cfg file it will resolve host names - this will slow down the processing considerably though please note and you must be connected to the internet when processing for it to work. DNSFILE dnscache DNSLOCKFILE dnsloc DNS WRITE DNSGOODHOURS 744 DNSBADHOURS 10 Hope that helps Regards, John Harman Infotex (UK) Limited www.infotex.co.uk - Original Message - From: Kar Yan Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 June 2002 04:42 Subject: [analog-help] First-time user Dear all, I've been testing out Analog during the past few days. I'm on a shared hosting server and all I have access to logs. The logs are rotated once a week, so I downloaded the previous week's log and generated a stats page (in Windows XP) with Analog. It seems to work very nicely. Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? When I click on Domain Report I get 100% unresolved numerical addresses and in Organization Report I get numbers. Keep in mind that I do not own a server and all I do is download the logs and run Analog from my Windows home computer. I am quite ignorant in this field, so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
[analog-help] First-time user
Dear all, I've been testing out Analog during the past few days. I'm on a shared hosting server and all I have access to logs. The logs are rotated once a week, so I downloaded the previous week's log and generated a stats page (in Windows XP) with Analog. It seems to work very nicely. Although I have one question, how can I resolve the DNS addresses? When I click on Domain Report I get 100% unresolved numerical addresses and in Organization Report I get numbers. Keep in mind that I do not own a server and all I do is download the logs and run Analog from my Windows home computer. I am quite ignorant in this field, so any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sincerely yours, Kar Yan Mak http://www.kyphoto.com + | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at |http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@lists.isite.net/ |http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ |http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +
