[analog-help] Monitor Resolution
Hi, I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of visitors in my analog report? Thanks, Chuck + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
On Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:57 PM [GMT], Charlie H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of > visitors in my analog report? Is the monitor resolution of your visitors recorded in your log file? Aengus + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
RE: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
> > > I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of > > visitors in my analog report? > > Is the monitor resolution of your visitors recorded in your log file? > > Aengus Not at this time, trying to figure out how to get that info into the logfiles. I am running Apache if someone wants to be so kind to point me in the right direction. Thanks, Chuck + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
Charlie H. wrote: I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of visitors in my analog report? Is the monitor resolution of your visitors recorded in your log file? Aengus Not at this time, trying to figure out how to get that info into the logfiles. I am running Apache if someone wants to be so kind to point me in the right direction. The Web server has no visibility on client characteristics and therefore cannot log the information. Screen resolution is only available with client-side scripting (except for some browsers which include that information in the user-agent string). There are various descriptions on the Web how to log such data with client-side scripting, for example http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/9187.htm -- Klaus Johannes Rusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atmedia.net/KlausRusch/ + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
RE: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
At 12:45 PM 5/10/05, Charlie H. wrote: > > I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of > > visitors in my analog report? > > Is the monitor resolution of your visitors recorded in your log file? Not at this time, trying to figure out how to get that info into the logfiles. I am running Apache if someone wants to be so kind to point me in the right direction. Chuck, Unless the browser sends it to you (either as part of the User Agent string) or you write some _javascript_ code to pass that information back, you can't get it. I believe what you really want is the browser window size, not the monitor resolution. Monitor resolution is typically 72 dpi for CRTs and 96 (or so) for LCDs (flat panel). Neither of those numbers tells you how many pixels are on the screen or how much of the screen the browser window is using. Most web designers go for a screen size of 800 x 600. This is short by over 200 pixels horizontally. If you choose to use the next size up (1024 x 768), make sure that your text does not go the full width. It is too hard to read. Also consider your site's audience - the developers I know do not use browsers running full-screen. Many non-developers do use full-screen browsers. + | Leonard Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Internet & Web Consulting http://realism.com/ | Online 3D Graphics http://e3dNews.com/ | X3D Author and Lecturer | Member, Web3D Board of Directors +-- + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
On Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:45 PM [GMT], Charlie H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of >>> visitors in my analog report? >> >> Is the monitor resolution of your visitors recorded in your log file? > > Not at this time, trying to figure out how to get that info into the > logfiles. I am running Apache if someone wants to be so kind to point > me in the right direction. About the only way to get the users browser configuration into your normal logfiles is to have client side scripting (javascript) that stores the information in a cookie, which can then be logged in your logfile. I would be inclined to consider it intrusive to carry that kind of information in a cookie, and it would be a bit profligate to log the information for every single request in your logfile, so a more efficient technique might be to use the client side script to generate a request for an image file, and pass the relevant screen parameters as arguments to the request: screen.pl could log the relevant information to a separate log file. Obviously, this requires the user to have client-side scripting enabled. Aengus + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
Re: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 05:13 pm, Aengus wrote: > On Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:45 PM [GMT], > > Charlie H. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of > >>> visitors in my analog report? > >> > >> Is the monitor resolution of your visitors recorded in your log file? > > > > Not at this time, trying to figure out how to get that info into the > > logfiles. I am running Apache if someone wants to be so kind to point > > me in the right direction. > > About the only way to get the users browser configuration into your > normal logfiles is to have client side scripting (javascript) that > stores the information in a cookie, which can then be logged in your > logfile. I would be inclined to consider it intrusive to carry that kind > of information in a cookie, and it would be a bit profligate to log the > information for every single request in your logfile, so a more > efficient technique might be to use the client side script to generate a > request for an image file, and pass the relevant screen parameters as > arguments to the request: > > > > screen.pl could log the relevant information to a separate log file. > > Obviously, this requires the user to have client-side scripting enabled. The real solution is to put content instead of "design" on the website. Not that you'd expect that from his domain name. Dima -- Yes, Java is so bulletproofed that to a C programmer it feels like being in a straightjacket, but it's a really comfy and warm straightjacket, and the world would be a safer place if everyone was straightjacketed most of the time. -- Mark 'Kamikaze' Hughes + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
RE: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
> > >>> I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of > >>> visitors in my analog report? > >> > >> Is the monitor resolution of your visitors recorded in your log file? > > > > Not at this time, trying to figure out how to get that info into the > > logfiles. I am running Apache if someone wants to be so kind to point > > me in the right direction. > > About the only way to get the users browser configuration into your > normal logfiles is to have client side scripting (javascript) that > stores the information in a cookie, which can then be logged in your > logfile. I would be inclined to consider it intrusive to carry that kind > of information in a cookie, and it would be a bit profligate to log the > information for every single request in your logfile, so a more > efficient technique might be to use the client side script to generate a > request for an image file, and pass the relevant screen parameters as > arguments to the request: > > > > screen.pl could log the relevant information to a separate log file. > > Obviously, this requires the user to have client-side scripting enabled. > > Aengus Thanks everyone for the quick replies and input, greatly appreciated. Best Wishes, Chuck + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
RE: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
At 02:05p -0700 05/10/2005, Leonard Daly didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: At 12:45 PM 5/10/05, Charlie H. wrote: > > I would like to know if I can include the monitor resolution of > > visitors in my analog report? Chuck, Unless the browser sends it to you (either as part of the User Agent string) or you write some JavaScript code to pass that information back, you can't get it. I believe what you really want is the browser window size, not the monitor resolution. Monitor resolution is typically 72 dpi for CRTs and 96 (or so) for LCDs (flat panel). Neither of those numbers tells you how many pixels are on the screen or how much of the screen the browser window is using. Most web designers go for a screen size of 800 x 600. This is short by over 200 pixels horizontally. If you choose to use the next size up (1024 x 768), make sure that your text does not go the full width. It is too hard to read. Also consider your site's audience - the developers I know do not use browsers running full-screen. Many non-developers do use full-screen browsers. I've never made my browser full screen. My windows are ~500px wide, because that's my preference (I won't say more because we don't want a rant). My screen is 1152px wide, but that has zero bearing on my browser window size. What would be the point of logging screen sizes? As someone else here said, you should be designing for content. Why try to force something which was intended to be fluid? HTML's natural device independence is a feature, not a bug. Oops, I'm starting to rant. Anyway, point is: focusing attention on size would just be a waste of time, so find something better to do. :-) -Walter who uses Lynx as much as Safari (and Safari w/JavaScript disabled) + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
RE: [analog-help] Monitor Resolution
> I've never made my browser full screen. My windows are ~500px wide, > because that's my preference (I won't say more because we don't want > a rant). My screen is 1152px wide, but that has zero bearing on my > browser window size. > > What would be the point of logging screen sizes? As someone else here > said, you should be designing for content. Why try to force something > which was intended to be fluid? HTML's natural device independence is > a feature, not a bug. > > Oops, I'm starting to rant. Anyway, point is: focusing attention on > size would just be a waste of time, so find something better to do. > :-) I think we can all drop this one, looks like it is getting way off topic. My original question has been addressed and nothing was ever mentioned about "designing for content" or why I required this data. ;-) Best Wishes, Chuck + | TO UNSUBSCRIBE from this list: |http://lists.meer.net/mailman/listinfo/analog-help | | Usenet version: news://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.analog.general | List archives: http://www.analog.cx/docs/mailing.html#listarchives +
