Re: [Analytics] Clickstream: mobile vs. desktop, empty referrers

[Dan Andreescu]

>
> I found that it even drove Groupon to conduct an iffy experiment: they
> "deindexed" themselves from Google for about 6 hours, finding that "Up To
> 60% Of “Direct” [i.e., referrer '-'] Traffic Is Actually Organic Search"...
> https://searchengineland.com/60-direct-traffic-actually-seo-195415
>

super interesting, thanks Bob!  Added to docs:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research%3AWikipedia_clickstream&type=revision&diff=20163440&oldid=20098423
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Re: [Analytics] Clickstream: mobile vs. desktop, empty referrers

[Robert West]

Thanks a lot for the info, Joseph and Nuria.

These "none" referrers are problematic for all the analytics teams out
there, it seems. When searching about around the issue of "none" referrers,
I found that it even drove Groupon to conduct an iffy experiment: they
"deindexed" themselves from Google for about 6 hours, finding that "Up To
60% Of “Direct” [i.e., referrer '-'] Traffic Is Actually Organic Search"...
https://searchengineland.com/60-direct-traffic-actually-seo-195415

Bob

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 4:29 PM Nuria Ruiz  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195880 for info on "none"
> referrers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nuria
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:10 AM Joseph Allemandou <
> jalleman...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Robert
>>
>> From the `WHERE` clause here:
>>
>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery-job/src/main/scala/org/wikimedia/analytics/refinery/job/ClickstreamBuilder.scala#L283
>> you can see that we bundloe altogether desktop, mobile-web and mobile-app
>> rows.
>>
>> As for the reason of so many empty referrers, I don't know myself, but I
>> know it's been a topic already discussed.
>> IIRC Nuria and Jon Katz looked into it a bit, and more recently Isaac
>> Johnson (all in direct copy).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:03 AM Robert West  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Analytics team,
>>>
>>> Quick question:
>>> Does the Clickstream data
>>>  lump
>>> together *mobile and desktop?*
>>> It seems to be hinted at here
>>> , but
>>> it's not mentioned explicitly. It just says that the 2015 data is for
>>> desktop only, which seems to imply that after that it's desktop + mobile.
>>>
>>> Also, I was wondering if anyone has any insights into what might cause 
>>> *referrers
>>> to be empty?* I tried googling, but the issue is clouded in mystery and
>>> seems to depend a lot on browser and website specificities. Any insights
>>> (small or big) would be appreciated!
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>> Bob
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>>
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>> Sr Data Engineer
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Re: [Analytics] Clickstream: mobile vs. desktop, empty referrers

[Nuria Ruiz]

Hello,

See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T195880 for info on "none" referrers.

Thanks,

Nuria

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:10 AM Joseph Allemandou 
wrote:

> Hi Robert
>
> From the `WHERE` clause here:
>
> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery-job/src/main/scala/org/wikimedia/analytics/refinery/job/ClickstreamBuilder.scala#L283
> you can see that we bundloe altogether desktop, mobile-web and mobile-app
> rows.
>
> As for the reason of so many empty referrers, I don't know myself, but I
> know it's been a topic already discussed.
> IIRC Nuria and Jon Katz looked into it a bit, and more recently Isaac
> Johnson (all in direct copy).
>
> Cheers
> Joseph
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:03 AM Robert West  wrote:
>
>> Hi Analytics team,
>>
>> Quick question:
>> Does the Clickstream data
>>  lump
>> together *mobile and desktop?*
>> It seems to be hinted at here
>> , but
>> it's not mentioned explicitly. It just says that the 2015 data is for
>> desktop only, which seems to imply that after that it's desktop + mobile.
>>
>> Also, I was wondering if anyone has any insights into what might cause 
>> *referrers
>> to be empty?* I tried googling, but the issue is clouded in mystery and
>> seems to depend a lot on browser and website specificities. Any insights
>> (small or big) would be appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>> Bob
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>
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Re: [Analytics] Clickstream: mobile vs. desktop, empty referrers

[Joseph Allemandou]

Hi Robert

>From the `WHERE` clause here:
https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery-job/src/main/scala/org/wikimedia/analytics/refinery/job/ClickstreamBuilder.scala#L283
you can see that we bundloe altogether desktop, mobile-web and mobile-app
rows.

As for the reason of so many empty referrers, I don't know myself, but I
know it's been a topic already discussed.
IIRC Nuria and Jon Katz looked into it a bit, and more recently Isaac
Johnson (all in direct copy).

Cheers
Joseph

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:03 AM Robert West  wrote:

> Hi Analytics team,
>
> Quick question:
> Does the Clickstream data
>  lump together 
> *mobile
> and desktop?*
> It seems to be hinted at here
> , but
> it's not mentioned explicitly. It just says that the 2015 data is for
> desktop only, which seems to imply that after that it's desktop + mobile.
>
> Also, I was wondering if anyone has any insights into what might cause 
> *referrers
> to be empty?* I tried googling, but the issue is clouded in mystery and
> seems to depend a lot on browser and website specificities. Any insights
> (small or big) would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks a lot!
> Bob
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[Analytics] Clickstream: mobile vs. desktop, empty referrers

[Robert West]

Hi Analytics team,

Quick question:
Does the Clickstream data
 lump
together *mobile
and desktop?*
It seems to be hinted at here
, but it's
not mentioned explicitly. It just says that the 2015 data is for desktop
only, which seems to imply that after that it's desktop + mobile.

Also, I was wondering if anyone has any insights into what might cause
*referrers
to be empty?* I tried googling, but the issue is clouded in mystery and
seems to depend a lot on browser and website specificities. Any insights
(small or big) would be appreciated!

Thanks a lot!
Bob
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