[android-beginners] Re: Cupcake version 1.5 to firmware update on phone
Will the ADP1 "phone for platform hacking" always be behind the final releases of the platform? That seems .. not good. (Esp since quite a few people bought it to do platform work.) On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru wrote: > > -The T-Mobile G1 isn't meant to be updated with arbitrary versions of > the system. > > -If you have an Android Dev Phone 1 (same hardware), the proprietary > files necessary to run 1.5 on it aren't currently available anywhere. > > JBQ > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Venkatarangan MJ > wrote: > > Does anyone has a good reference of the exact procedure from downloading > say > > Android SDK cupcake version 1.5, building it and finally updating the T > G1 > > Mobile? There are some references like but still may not be very clear to > > new ones. > > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462512 > > > > I have had some references with available images uploaded but not really > a > > good tutorial to do everything ourselves from scratch. > > > > But I think we need to document it better for the community. I was > planning > > to do one but if any of you know a reference, I thought it would be > better I > > start from there, identify the deficiency and improve on it. > > > > > > Regards > > Rangan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru > Android Engineer, Google. > > Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private > will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further > warning. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Cupcake version 1.5 to firmware update on phone
You have an interesting concept of platform hacking I guess. I don't mean "running a new image." (Or are you saying that new releases leap, fully formed, from the head of the android statue and nobody at google does any development on them? While that would explain some things, I find it unlikely. :) ..) I mean, specifically, putting outside platform developers on the same footing (device-wise) as the google developers. If cupcake uses a new rild, new radio firmware, gl library, or what have you, why do external developers have to hack and tape to get a working image? It is what the device was sold for! (Yes. Some platform devs inside google use only the emulator. Thats great. But for a lot of things, the emulator is very limited - that is why platform hackers were encouraged to buy an adp1. And realistically, its been proven pretty well that you can't even do basic app dev on just the emulator - without testing on a phone, you'll never have a working app.) On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Romain Guy wrote: > > It isn't behind at the moment since Android 1.5 final has not been > released, be it the SDK or firmwares for existing phone. > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Disconnect > wrote: > > Will the ADP1 "phone for platform hacking" always be behind the final > > releases of the platform? > > > > That seems .. not good. (Esp since quite a few people bought it to do > > platform work.) > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru > > wrote: > >> > >> -The T-Mobile G1 isn't meant to be updated with arbitrary versions of > >> the system. > >> > >> -If you have an Android Dev Phone 1 (same hardware), the proprietary > >> files necessary to run 1.5 on it aren't currently available anywhere. > >> > >> JBQ > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Venkatarangan MJ > > >> wrote: > >> > Does anyone has a good reference of the exact procedure from > downloading > >> > say > >> > Android SDK cupcake version 1.5, building it and finally updating the > T > >> > G1 > >> > Mobile? There are some references like but still may not be very clear > >> > to > >> > new ones. > >> > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462512 > >> > > >> > I have had some references with available images uploaded but not > really > >> > a > >> > good tutorial to do everything ourselves from scratch. > >> > > >> > But I think we need to document it better for the community. I was > >> > planning > >> > to do one but if any of you know a reference, I thought it would be > >> > better I > >> > start from there, identify the deficiency and improve on it. > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Rangan. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru > >> Android Engineer, Google. > >> > >> Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private > >> will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further > >> warning. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Romain Guy > Android framework engineer > romain...@android.com > > Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time > to provide private support. All such questions should be posted on > public forums, where I and others can see and answer them > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Since there is no list-administrator email I could find, I'm sending this to the list. Sorry to everyone else for the annoyance. I get one of these for every post to this list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:53 AM Subject: [ERR] [android-beginners] Re: Cupcake version 1.5 to firmware update on phone To: dc.disconn...@gmail.com Transmit Report: To: jeka...@magicn.com, 402 Local User Inbox Full (jeka...@magicn.com) 12,104857,104855 -- Forwarded message -- From: Disconnect To: android-beginners@googlegroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:30:12 -0400 Subject: [android-beginners] Re: Cupcake version 1.5 to firmware update on phone Will the ADP1 "phone for platform hacking" always be behind the final releases of the platform? That seems .. not good. (Esp since quite a few people bought it to do platform work.) On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru wrote: > > -The T-Mobile G1 isn't meant to be updated with arbitrary versions of > the system. > > -If you have an Android Dev Phone 1 (same hardware), the proprietary > files necessary to run 1.5 on it aren't currently available anywhere. > > JBQ > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Venkatarangan MJ > wrote: > > Does anyone has a good reference of the exact procedure from downloading > say > > Android SDK cupcake version 1.5, building it and finally updating the T > G1 > > Mobile? There are some references like but still may not be very clear to > > new ones. > > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462512 > > > > I have had some references with available images uploaded but not really > a > > good tutorial to do everything ourselves from scratch. > > > > But I think we need to document it better for the community. I was > planning > > to do one but if any of you know a reference, I thought it would be > better I > > start from there, identify the deficiency and improve on it. > > > > > > Regards > > Rangan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru > Android Engineer, Google. > > Questions sent directly to me that have no reason for being private > will likely get ignored or forwarded to a public forum with no further > warning. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Cupcake version 1.5 to firmware update on phone
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru wrote: > > Now, it's up to you to decide whether you want to be constructive, or > whether your interest lies in whining and pointing fingers. We have a > saying in French that goes along the lines of "critique is easy, art > is hard". If you want to permanently stay on the sidelines (or in the > stands) waiting for someone else to deal with problems that you can't > be bothered to tackle yourself, it's your choice. If you want to > actually walk on the field and be part of the action, come on in. > Great! Who do I talk to about getting those binaries released so that I can do development and submit patches on an even vaguely even footing with google devs?? (I am pretty sure I know the answer already: nobody. But you seemed to indicate otherwise, so..) > > Your continuous stance toward Google is evidence that you believe that > actions speak louder than words. The ball is now in your camp, > everybody is waiting for your actions. Set your priorities, publish > your roadmaps, deliver on your promises, show everyone how it's done. > Yep. And I've -been- acting. I've been releasing working AOSP images for the G1. I've been assisting the people who are going farther with it and doing community images (such as JF and Zinx and Haykuro.) I've been helping people on IRC and the lists deal with both stock and community images since the G1 first went on sale from Tmob. (And unlike you guys, I don't get paid to do it.) (Hell, if you want to measure by code, I even submitted some of the earliest patches - a rough-and-ready bluetooth tethering solution.) Re-saying what I wrote earlier, one way to participate would be to > un-evolve/down-port the lower layers of Android so that they can > continue running on a given released version of the Dream proprietary > files. If that's not good enough for you, you could also participate > Correct, one way to participate is to reverse engineer the work that was done inside google. (I think I've already got enough hands in that pie at the moment though.) Is that really the best thing you can tell the community? "We're sorry, but if you want a -working- phone platform you need to reverse engineer a bunch of stuff for us"..? I mean, the change tracking that is starting to come with the monster code dumps will be a big help there, but still.. > in the efforts to get Android running on some hardware that's more > open than that, e.g. the Openmoko Freerunner, the Nokia Internet > Tablets, or the Trolltech Greenphone (each of those has advantages and > drawbacks, and I know that there are people already actively working > on the first two). > > JBQ > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Disconnect > wrote: > > You have an interesting concept of platform hacking I guess. I don't mean > > "running a new image." (Or are you saying that new releases leap, fully > > formed, from the head of the android statue and nobody at google does any > > development on them? While that would explain some things, I find it > > unlikely. :) ..) > > > > I mean, specifically, putting outside platform developers on the same > > footing (device-wise) as the google developers. If cupcake uses a new > rild, > > new radio firmware, gl library, or what have you, why do external > developers > > have to hack and tape to get a working image? It is what the device was > sold > > for! > > > > (Yes. Some platform devs inside google use only the emulator. Thats > great. > > But for a lot of things, the emulator is very limited - that is why > platform > > hackers were encouraged to buy an adp1. And realistically, its been > proven > > pretty well that you can't even do basic app dev on just the emulator - > > without testing on a phone, you'll never have a working app.) > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Romain Guy > wrote: > >> > >> It isn't behind at the moment since Android 1.5 final has not been > >> released, be it the SDK or firmwares for existing phone. > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Disconnect > >> wrote: > >> > Will the ADP1 "phone for platform hacking" always be behind the final > >> > releases of the platform? > >> > > >> > That seems .. not good. (Esp since quite a few people bought it to do > >> > platform work.) > >> > > >> > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> -The T-Mobile G1 isn't meant to be updated with arbitrary versions of > >> &g
[android-beginners] Re: Cupcake version 1.5 to firmware update on phone
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru wrote: > > Cross-referencing information from pages like > http://www.eetindia.co.in/ART_8800550084_185_NT_bf139ec3.HTM with > the list of OHA companies and the list of files extracted as part of > the process described here > http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream should > probably give you a good "first cut" list about which doors to knock > at. > These people didn't sell me a phone for platform hacking that was missing essential pieces. > Don't believe that Google has source access to those binaries. Just > like you, we only get opaque binaries, and just like you we're not > allowed to redistribute them. You wouldn't be reverse-engineering > Google's work, you'd be reverse-engineering the work done by the > companies providing those binaries only under NDA and not updating > them for the community. > I'd be reverse engineering the work google has done adapting the code to the new secret binaries. If it helps, consider that it is no different than trying to write UI guidelines based only on released code, without acces to the designers. (Guidelines good enough that anyone following them in a reasonable way will later pass the design test for inclusion in the "open" platform.) "Hey, this dump included 100 minor UI changes. I wonder how many of them are mandated and how many are incidental." Like I said, if the notion of working on a platform based on a port > that relies on outdated proprietary binaries in unappealing to you, > there are other bits of hardware that are significantly more open than > the ADP1 and on which you'll be able to maintain an Android port > without being tied by as many proprietary bits. > Relying on outdated platform binaries would be fine, of the entire AOSP relied on them. But it doesn't. The AOSP relies on the commercial binaries, and you are saying that the "right" answer is to constantly be backporting. I disagree, strongly. > > JBQ > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Disconnect > wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Jean-Baptiste Queru > > wrote: > >> > >> Now, it's up to you to decide whether you want to be constructive, or > >> whether your interest lies in whining and pointing fingers. We have a > >> saying in French that goes along the lines of "critique is easy, art > >> is hard". If you want to permanently stay on the sidelines (or in the > >> stands) waiting for someone else to deal with problems that you can't > >> be bothered to tackle yourself, it's your choice. If you want to > >> actually walk on the field and be part of the action, come on in. > > > > Great! Who do I talk to about getting those binaries released so that I > can > > do development and submit patches on an even vaguely even footing with > > google devs?? (I am pretty sure I know the answer already: nobody. But > you > > seemed to indicate otherwise, so..) > > > >> > >> Your continuous stance toward Google is evidence that you believe that > >> actions speak louder than words. The ball is now in your camp, > >> everybody is waiting for your actions. Set your priorities, publish > >> your roadmaps, deliver on your promises, show everyone how it's done. > > > > Yep. And I've -been- acting. I've been releasing working AOSP images for > the > > G1. I've been assisting the people who are going farther with it and > doing > > community images (such as JF and Zinx and Haykuro.) I've been helping > > people on IRC and the lists deal with both stock and community images > since > > the G1 first went on sale from Tmob. (And unlike you guys, I don't get > paid > > to do it.) > > > > (Hell, if you want to measure by code, I even submitted some of the > earliest > > patches - a rough-and-ready bluetooth tethering solution.) > > > >> Re-saying what I wrote earlier, one way to participate would be to > >> un-evolve/down-port the lower layers of Android so that they can > >> continue running on a given released version of the Dream proprietary > >> files. If that's not good enough for you, you could also participate > > > > Correct, one way to participate is to reverse engineer the work that was > > done inside google. (I think I've already got enough hands in that pie at > > the moment though.) Is that really the best thing you can tell the > > community? "We're sorry, but if you want a -working- phone platform you > need > > to rever
[android-beginners] Re: How "Linux-ey" is Android?
Although the first part of the answer is perfect :)
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Mark Murphy wrote:
>
> > How many of the freedoms that we've gotten used to using other Linux
> > frontends ("desktops"), such as xfce, Gnome, KDE are available with
> > the Android frontend?
>
> As many as there are for TiVo, Linksys routers, or other appliances based
> on Linux.
>
> In other words, none that are officially supported, but you are welcome to
> try to hack whatever you want. All you need is a device capable of
> accepting alternative firmware.
>
> > Is it possible to run ANY simple linux apps from
> > a terminal window in an Android device?
>
> What terminal window?
>
The one you get from the market, or as part of the AOSP core android build
:)
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
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[android-beginners] Re: Apps updating update
..its had autoupdate since the rc33 release. On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:11 PM, El wrote: > > Since we have not heard about when Market will have auto-updating for > apps, we need to clarify current best practices before exporting. What > is the latest way to let users know when new version and/or new > related application is available? Should Veecheck be method of choice? > Thanks? > > APAL Team > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: How selective are the Android Marketplace "police" in allowing our apps to be published?
There is no filter other than the terms of service (fairly standard, except you can't gather money outside the market, or charge for updates. Give them a read though..) On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Amir Memon wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a fairly simple iphone app (2 quizzes with a global high score > functionality), and would like to port it over to android. I'm selling > it for $1 on the iphone app store, i'd do the same on android > mktplc... > > my only question is how high do the android marketplace admins set the > quality bar for publish apps? > > again, my app is a multiple choice quiz with pictures -- it's not a 3D > game with accellerometering and GPS, it's just a quiz engine. Would it > make it through? > > thanks, > Amir > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re:
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[android-beginners] Re: Is there any official way to upgrade Android OS?
It depends on the phone but for G1 and Magic (T-mobile and Vodafone) you receive updates automatically off the air (OTA). The ADP1 (and if it comes out, the ADP2) upgrade manually by copying a file to sdcard. (The files appear on HTC's web site, or you can use community versions such as JF's - jf.andblogs.net.) The final option is that one provider evidently used a desktop application to do the same thing, but I don't know the details. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Koala (Shu Hung) wrote: > > I'm planning to buy an Android powered phone. But I want to be sure of > what I'm buying. One of my concern is upgrade. I want to buy a phone > which I can upgrade my OS easily. Android, like other phone OS, rolls > out new version frequently. I don't want to miss those lovely new > features. With an iPhone, I can upgrade my firmware through App Store. > Can I do the same with an Android phone? > > Is there any official way to upgrade Android OS? > For example, can I do OS upgrade through Android Market? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Is there any official way to upgrade Android OS?
In the USA you can't void the warranty with software. Especially with carrier provided software. Nice try though. For all the 5 or 6 tmobile-usa updates you could download the official OTA zip and apply it manually. And as far as sticking to official updates, I think we mostly agree that the only option he has is to ask his carrier/cellphone provider how long they plan to support his device. 2009/6/1 Mike Wolfson : > > Bottom line, if you buy a carrier supported phone (I am using my > experience with TMobile for this discussion, not sure about > Vodaphone), you will not be able to upgrade the phone manually on a > regular basis. > > Most of the upgrades currently have come over the air (OTA). For the > cupcake release, there was a manual upgrade procedure available, that > wasn't supported by the carrier (read, if anything went wrong, the > warranty was likely voided, etc). > > The Android OS is officially upgradeable (meaning, there likely isn't > a 1.5 version phone, that won't be allowed to be updated). So Android > will support upgrading to 2.0 (when it officially is released, and > supported by your carrier). > > The only way to be allowed to upgrade your phone manually, would be to > buy the phones that are released for developer use (called Android Dev > Phone - ADP1 and ADP2). However, they are much more expensive (they > are not subsidized by the carrier). If you have either of these > phones, you can flash whatever software you want, whenever you want > (and also have root access to the deep core of the OS, which is > another thing missing from the carrier provided phones). > > Bottom line, if you absolutely need to upgrade manually, you will need > to buy a unlocked phone, at increased expense. Otherwise, you will be > only be allowed to upgrade a carrier provided phone, when they > officially release the upgrade (at which time, you may be able to > speed up the process with a manual procedure, to avoid the wait for an > OTA update). > > On Jun 1, 9:52 am, Koala Yeung wrote: >> I need to ask more specific on this. >> >> I'm going to buy a HTC Magic, which comes with Android 1.5 >> I also know that Android 2.0 is under development. >> What I really want to know is: >> >> "Will I be able to upgrade HTC Magic to Android 2.0?" >> >> I know I might be able to upgrade manually. >> I want to know if Android officially support this. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Koala >> >> On 6月1日, 下午7時24分, Disconnect wrote: >> >> > It depends on the phone but for G1 and Magic (T-mobile and Vodafone) >> > you receive updates automatically off the air (OTA). The ADP1 (and if >> > it comes out, the ADP2) upgrade manually by copying a file to sdcard. >> > (The files appear on HTC's web site, or you can use community versions >> > such as JF's - jf.andblogs.net.) The final option is that one provider >> > evidently used a desktop application to do the same thing, but I don't >> > know the details. >> >> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Koala (Shu Hung) wrote: >> >> > > I'm planning to buy an Android powered phone. But I want to be sure of >> > > what I'm buying. One of my concern is upgrade. I want to buy a phone >> > > which I can upgrade my OS easily. Android, like other phone OS, rolls >> > > out new version frequently. I don't want to miss those lovely new >> > > features. With an iPhone, I can upgrade my firmware through App Store. >> > > Can I do the same with an Android phone? >> >> > > Is there any official way to upgrade Android OS? >> > > For example, can I do OS upgrade through Android Market? > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: HTC G1 vs G2
Really? I heard they gave away the Ion, a rebranded magic. G2 is a tmobile trademark, not htc, and last I checked they hadn't used it yet. On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Bruce Boyes wrote: > > So Google gave away hundreds of the newer HTC G2. Will there be a > developer version available soon, as the G1 is now? > > Is the G2 preferable for someone just starting with Android development? > > Thanks > > Bruce > > --- WWW.SYSTRONIX.COM -- > Real embedded Java and much more > +1-801-534-1017 Salt Lake City, USA > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Locked Phones for development.
Almost certainly - so far, no carrier has released a phone with development disabled. (Its possible, but unlikely, that future phones might be locked that way.) On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:33 PM, johnht...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi All, > > According to rumors there are 18 Android phones in the work for 2009. > These are probably locked to a certain carrier. If I have one of > these LOCKED phones can I debug apps on it? > > John > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Is there any official way to upgrade Android OS?
More unsubstantiated statements about TOS - they are online, would you like to point to the part you violate with a modified bootloader or even firmware image? ..do they pay you or something? 2009/6/1 Mike Wolfson : > > It should be noted, that the G1 (meaning the TMobile released phone) > has a locked boot loader, so I would expect modifying the phone to > manually flash a new OS would violate the terms of service. So while > it might not officially void the warranty, I am sure TMobile wouldn't > be helpful fixing any problems encountered while flashing the phone. > > There are definitely ways you can manually update the phone, but I > think the original poster was trying to determine which ways would be > officially supported. > > I personally wouldn't flash a non-official release to my G1, but > jumped at the opportunity to manually update to Cupcake, once the > instructions came out early last week (knowing that there was a > minimal risk I could brick my phone). > > > On Jun 1, 1:36 pm, Disconnect wrote: >> In the USA you can't void the warranty with software. Especially with >> carrier provided software. Nice try though. >> >> For all the 5 or 6 tmobile-usa updates you could download the official >> OTA zip and apply it manually. >> >> And as far as sticking to official updates, I think we mostly agree >> that the only option he has is to ask his carrier/cellphone provider >> how long they plan to support his device. >> >> 2009/6/1 Mike Wolfson : >> >> >> >> > Bottom line, if you buy a carrier supported phone (I am using my >> > experience with TMobile for this discussion, not sure about >> > Vodaphone), you will not be able to upgrade the phone manually on a >> > regular basis. >> >> > Most of the upgrades currently have come over the air (OTA). For the >> > cupcake release, there was a manual upgrade procedure available, that >> > wasn't supported by the carrier (read, if anything went wrong, the >> > warranty was likely voided, etc). >> >> > The Android OS is officially upgradeable (meaning, there likely isn't >> > a 1.5 version phone, that won't be allowed to be updated). So Android >> > will support upgrading to 2.0 (when it officially is released, and >> > supported by your carrier). >> >> > The only way to be allowed to upgrade your phone manually, would be to >> > buy the phones that are released for developer use (called Android Dev >> > Phone - ADP1 and ADP2). However, they are much more expensive (they >> > are not subsidized by the carrier). If you have either of these >> > phones, you can flash whatever software you want, whenever you want >> > (and also have root access to the deep core of the OS, which is >> > another thing missing from the carrier provided phones). >> >> > Bottom line, if you absolutely need to upgrade manually, you will need >> > to buy a unlocked phone, at increased expense. Otherwise, you will be >> > only be allowed to upgrade a carrier provided phone, when they >> > officially release the upgrade (at which time, you may be able to >> > speed up the process with a manual procedure, to avoid the wait for an >> > OTA update). >> >> > On Jun 1, 9:52 am, Koala Yeung wrote: >> >> I need to ask more specific on this. >> >> >> I'm going to buy a HTC Magic, which comes with Android 1.5 >> >> I also know that Android 2.0 is under development. >> >> What I really want to know is: >> >> >> "Will I be able to upgrade HTC Magic to Android 2.0?" >> >> >> I know I might be able to upgrade manually. >> >> I want to know if Android officially support this. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Koala >> >> >> On 6月1日, 下午7時24分, Disconnect wrote: >> >> >> > It depends on the phone but for G1 and Magic (T-mobile and Vodafone) >> >> > you receive updates automatically off the air (OTA). The ADP1 (and if >> >> > it comes out, the ADP2) upgrade manually by copying a file to sdcard. >> >> > (The files appear on HTC's web site, or you can use community versions >> >> > such as JF's - jf.andblogs.net.) The final option is that one provider >> >> > evidently used a desktop application to do the same thing, but I don't >> >> > know the details. >> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Koala (Shu Hung) >> >> > wrote: >> >
[android-beginners] Re: HTC G1 vs G2
Ctate (@google) on IRC yesterday spent over an hour distancing them from the "magic" name as well - same hw platform, different software, different radio hardware/firmware. (No, I don't necessarily agree that its that different, but if we're gonna let them wince at 'g2' they can wince at 'magic' too ;) ..) And as an aside, I'm told that loading ion radio images onto a vodafone magic will not get you usa 3g :( although (speaking as someone who used to be on the edges of embedded radio work) chances are good that a proper radio firmware image might provide not-quite-perfect access to those freqs. (Or even perfect access, depending.) On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Mike Wolfson wrote: > > To clear things up, the phone given away at Google IO was the HTC > Magic (also named the "Ion"; and when someone referred to it as the > "G2" at the fireside chat, the Android guys shivered, and clearly > didn't like that moniker for it). > > That phone is fully unlocked, and rooted. So, it is a true dev phone > (I am not sure if we can call it ADP2). I would expect that they > will make this phone available to the masses soon (but it will be > expensive). > > The Magic phones given away are showing up on Ebay, if you really want > to buy one (but I won't condone this). > > As far as what type of phone you use for development, it is pretty > much up to you. The hardware is not that important to Android > development (as long as the hardware meets the minimum requirements, > which both the HTC phones do). Pick what phone you would like > (biggest difference is one has a keyboard, and the other doesn't). > > It is also not necessary to have a Dev phone to develop. Getting a > "locked" phone from a carrier (which comes at a subsidized price) will > be adequate for most people trying to create apps that will run on the > phone. > > > > On May 28, 4:53 pm, Bruce Boyes wrote: >> So Google gave away hundreds of the newer HTC G2. Will there be a >> developer version available soon, as the G1 is now? >> >> Is the G2 preferable for someone just starting with Android development? >> >> Thanks >> >> Bruce >> >> --- WWW.SYSTRONIX.COM -- >> Real embedded Java and much more >> +1-801-534-1017 Salt Lake City, USA > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: fBook on G2
Thats pretty weird - g2 is a tmobile trademark, and I haven't seen HTC announce anything with that name yet. Since nobody knows what phone you are on or even what market it might be using, maybe you should ask your vendor. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Debasish wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I can't find the fBook free app on my G2 HTC phone. This app is > clearly visible on Social section on the market section on the > website. > > any pointers ? > > thanks, > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Orientation Aware websites
Did I miss something or are you too "busy"? He's not SETTING orientation, he's adjusting for it. And he's talking about javascript (as in, from a web page) not an android java app. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Kent Loobey wrote: > > "The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development". page 46 > > "the orientation can be modified at runtime by invoking setOrientation() on > the > LinearLayout, supplying it either HORIZONTAL or VERTICAL." > >> >> Thanks >> Siva --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Can I get Root access on my Google IO Magic?
They broke/removed su. Simplest way is to just copy /system/bin/sh to /system/bin/su and chmod 4777. Better answer is to install the superuser app, which prompts when an app tries to elevate privs. On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Mike Wolfson wrote: > > I know the Magic phone I got at IO is unlocked, but it doesn't have > root enabled out of the box (I tried to install an app that required > Root, that wouldn't work). > > Is there a specific way I can enable root on the phone (ie. a setting > some where)? Is this possible on this phone? > > I know I can flash a new ROM (which I will be doing at some point > anyway, as I want to try some of the alternatives for the phone), but > I am looking for something quicker and easier. . > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: VMWare Image of the Android Emulator
VMware emulates X86. Android emulator emulates arm. So.. no. You could make it worse by emulating a linux system running the android emulator though, that'd be funny. On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:18 AM, MCON Dev wrote: > Is it possible to create a vmware image of the emulator ? After all its a > operating system image after all. If yes, it would prove very fruitful. > Currently the emulator takes on a lot of processing power of the development > machine. Making the development really painful experience. The more complex > the product becomes the more difficult the development. > Thanks > Siddharth > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: adb - for developer handsets only
Thats generally a sign of a bad usb cable - I routinely push 70-90 meg updates and such to sd without issue (except on one cable, which can get really hosed up.) On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Tony Su wrote: > > You can run adb against any Android device connected in debugging mode > (supported on at least the G1). > > ADB basically enables a remote console to your device, although technically > ADB will generally work carriers like T-Mobile may/are putting their own > restrictions on what you can do from the local console (using ADB or > launching a console locally on the phone). > > So, for instance of the commands you currently list, remount, push and > install will work but root will not. > > BTW - I found that push (and likely pull) only works for small files (a few > megabytes only). Anything larger than just a few megabytes appears to not > only lockup but also dump unreadable files thereby requiring a reformat (I > was trying to push to a SDCARD). > > Tony > > - Original Message - > From: Shawn Brown > Sent: Sat, 7/4/2009 4:54am > To: android-beginners@googlegroups.com > Subject: [android-beginners] adb - for developer handsets only > > > Hello, > > Is adb for developer phones only? I can't tell from the docs -- > "Android Debug Bridge (adb) is a versatile tool lets you manage the > state of an emulator instance or Android-powered device!". > > For instance, if I have a regular phone , could I run ... > > adb kill-server > adb root > adb remount > adb push test/test.ttf /system/fonts/ > adb install test/test.apk > > or do I need a developer phone for this. > > Thanks for your reply. > > Shawn > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: USB data acquisition
When you plug your headset in, its not a usb port at all. Its straight analog audio. (Take a closer look, there are 10 or so pins. There is even a pinout diagram floating around, and 3way headset adapters that allow usb data, headset audio and charging..) At the end of the day, usb host/guest is NOT interchangable without hardware modifications. There is some good news here - rumours are that the g1 has a usb-otg capable chipset. With 'magic' bit flipping (as in, the info has to come from htc/qualcomm) and some minor hardware hacking (5v supply, similar to what n770/n800/n810 needs) you can get usb host working. (That 'minor' hack may be less minor if there is a diode in the way, since it'd require soldering onto the board instead of just building an adapter.) On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Nicholas Radford wrote: > The phones usb port is not a guest when I plug my headset into it. > > It is when I plug my computer into it, but thats less of a guest / host > situation and more like mutual devices chattering to it each other. > > USB in just a serial bus at the end of the day. If one end has to be a host > and the other a guest, this can change based on which configuration, non? > It's not like USB are hardwired to be either host or guests, that's a > progmatic thing, decided by the two devices in question. > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Tony Su wrote: >> >> Unless someone can answer definitively based on the phone's technical >> information, >> >> Based on observation only, it's not possible based on general USB >> architecture. In any USB connection, one endpoint is designated the Host and >> multiple guests can connect to that Host (IIRC theoretically 256 devices). >> >> Because the Phone can connect to the USB port of a computer, the computer >> is always the Host and anything else that can connect is a Guest, so the >> Phone's USB port is a Guest. >> >> A Sensor would also be a Guest so cannot connect to the Phone, it needs to >> connect to a port configured as a Host. >> >> Tony >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Mas >> Sent: Wed, 7/8/2009 12:12pm >> To: Android Beginners >> Subject: [android-beginners] USB data acquisition >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I am doing a feasibility study using an Android Dev phone. I want to >> attach the phone using the USB cable (or the serial port) to a sensor. >> In an application, I want to pole the sensor over the cable and have >> the resultant value displayed on the screen. The interaction between >> the sensor and the phone would involve the phone sending down a >> request data byte and the sensor responding with the necessary data. >> Is a data acquisition application of this nature possible on the >> phone? >> >> Thank you for your time, >> Mas >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: USB data acquisition
Serial does not have a master/slave requirement, so that will work if you can get serial working on the G1. (The necessary cables exist, but information on making or getting them has yet to come out of google afaik. I think either San or Romainguy were working on it, although I could be wrong.) Bluetooth has no API support (but then again, neither does usb-otg or serial so..) but otherwise is a fully functioning stack - if you use rfcomm-compatible modules (serial over bt) you should be fine. (It would require root of course.) On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Mas wrote: > > Hello, > > Thanks for the feedback. I have been doing some more reading online > and I found that the audio pins can be set to TTL level RX and TX > pins. If the USB cannot act as a host, does anyone know if the serial > port can act as a host? Or another alternative, can a Bluetooth > connection be made to allow communication with a sensor (assuming I > make the sensor work with a Bluetooth module)? > > Thanks for the help, > Mas > > On Jul 10, 5:32 am, Disconnect wrote: >> When you plug your headset in, its not a usb port at all. Its straight >> analog audio. (Take a closer look, there are 10 or so pins. There is >> even a pinout diagram floating around, and 3way headset adapters that >> allow usb data, headset audio and charging..) >> >> At the end of the day, usb host/guest is NOT interchangable without >> hardware modifications. >> >> There is some good news here - rumours are that the g1 has a usb-otg >> capable chipset. With 'magic' bit flipping (as in, the info has to >> come from htc/qualcomm) and some minor hardware hacking (5v supply, >> similar to what n770/n800/n810 needs) you can get usb host working. >> (That 'minor' hack may be less minor if there is a diode in the way, >> since it'd require soldering onto the board instead of just building >> an adapter.) >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Nicholas >> >> >> >> Radford wrote: >> > The phones usb port is not a guest when I plug my headset into it. >> >> > It is when I plug my computer into it, but thats less of a guest / host >> > situation and more like mutual devices chattering to it each other. >> >> > USB in just a serial bus at the end of the day. If one end has to be a host >> > and the other a guest, this can change based on which configuration, non? >> > It's not like USB are hardwired to be either host or guests, that's a >> > progmatic thing, decided by the two devices in question. >> >> > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Tony Su wrote: >> >> >> Unless someone can answer definitively based on the phone's technical >> >> information, >> >> >> Based on observation only, it's not possible based on general USB >> >> architecture. In any USB connection, one endpoint is designated the Host >> >> and >> >> multiple guests can connect to that Host (IIRC theoretically 256 devices). >> >> >> Because the Phone can connect to the USB port of a computer, the computer >> >> is always the Host and anything else that can connect is a Guest, so the >> >> Phone's USB port is a Guest. >> >> >> A Sensor would also be a Guest so cannot connect to the Phone, it needs to >> >> connect to a port configured as a Host. >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: Mas >> >> Sent: Wed, 7/8/2009 12:12pm >> >> To: Android Beginners >> >> Subject: [android-beginners] USB data acquisition >> >> >> Hello, >> >> >> I am doing a feasibility study using an Android Dev phone. I want to >> >> attach the phone using the USB cable (or the serial port) to a sensor. >> >> In an application, I want to pole the sensor over the cable and have >> >> the resultant value displayed on the screen. The interaction between >> >> the sensor and the phone would involve the phone sending down a >> >> request data byte and the sensor responding with the necessary data. >> >> Is a data acquisition application of this nature possible on the >> >> phone? >> >> >> Thank you for your time, >> >> Mas > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Official Google Android Developer Phone G1 (running in Canada) needs Cupcake!
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Ben Watson (bitpakkit) wrote: > > How do I best install Cupcake on my dev G1 from Google? It is the one > with the Google logo on it. > http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: [android-beginners]
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Rafa Perfeito wrote: > Hey all, > Been doing some work in the emulator but the idea (as obvious) is to test > them in an actual physical device. The HTC Magic is already available in my > area, but i'm still thinking of its advantages to the Dev Phone 1... > Especially because i've seen some people with problems connecting the G2 to > the debugger... What is your thoughts about this? Would you pick a G2? > 'Cause the price difference is still significative... > > I've read somewhere (http://www.anddev.org/usb_host_mode_on_g2_-t6866.html) > that the G2 would support host USB. The G1 does not? I will need to > integrate an external device, so that's kind of a big deal there... > Thanks > -- > Cumprimentos, > > Hugo Rafael Augusto > Whats a g2? So far no android phone has enabled OTG support, and nobody has gotten the 'magic bits' out of google/htc/qualcomm to enable it. (Its not determinable what bits in which order need to be set.) If that info becomes available, it will likely need a hardware hack (5V supply on both sides) similar to what the Nokia 770/N800/N810 uses. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Developing on a G2.
AFAIK nobody is developing with a G2 because tmobile hasn't announced such a thing. On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Dale Wiles wrote: > > Is anyone developing code on a G2 phone? If so have you run into any > real world problems? > > I know I wouldn't be able to flash custom OS's. Is that a real > problem? I don't have a clue how often that's needed. > > If anyone has had any successes or failures I'd like to hear them. > I'm sure it would be useful to the rest of the group too. > > - Dale > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Developing on a G2.
Can you do me a favor and send (off the list) a quick pic of the branding? (Specifically the 'g2' logo/label.) Tmobile has a trademark on the 'G2' name and AFAIK they haven't announced anything. It'd be cool to be able to put info up about it.. On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Mike Wolfson wrote: > > I did a little development on the G2 Lack of a physical keyboard was > a problem for some of the tools (like putting the phone in Recovery > Mode, etc). > > Otherwise, for the most part there weren't any significant roadblocks > (the SDK works the same on both the G1 and the G2 - ie. the APIs are > all the same). > > I think the problems caused by lack of a physical keyboard will be > quickly resolved (but were significant for me). There were already > some tools available that support the virtual keyboard (ie. Terminal > apps, etc), it just requires working a little harder to find the ones > that will work. > > As Disconnect mentioned, I don't believe that there is a Dev version > of the G2 out yet, but if you are just wanting to use your consumer > grade phone for development, it should work. > > On Jul 26, 6:36 pm, Dale Wiles wrote: > > Is anyone developing code on a G2 phone? If so have you run into any > > real world problems? > > > > I know I wouldn't be able to flash custom OS's. Is that a real > > problem? I don't have a clue how often that's needed. > > > > If anyone has had any successes or failures I'd like to hear them. > > I'm sure it would be useful to the rest of the group too. > > > > - Dale > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Hello Everyone!
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Lurther wrote: > > I just joined this group and wanted to take a moment to introduce > myself. > > > > Its nice to see you, welcome aboard, etc. Since your first post was approved by the moderators, any subsequent post - unfortunately including spam - will go through automatically. (And if that isn't the goal, its even nicer to see you :) ..) What are you doing with android? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: No Market on Samsung i7500 Android
Market is closed source and only provided by google to certain partners. You'll need to ask Samsung (or your cell provider) why its missing. On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM, blockedmind wrote: > > I have just bought Samsung i7500. It's just great, Android is amazing > BUT there is no Market on the menu. How can I install Android Market > to my phone? And why there is not a default market built-in? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Please tell me how to update firmware of HT-03A from Android 1.5 to 1.6.
Updates come down regardless of carrier. (The phone periodically polls an update server and downloads the update in a zip.) On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeffrey Blattman < jeffrey.blatt...@gmail.com> wrote: > you should get an OTA update from your provider. or you can install a 3rd > party dist such as cyanogenmod. > > i have an unlocked t-mobile g1 on at&t (us), so my only option was to > install a 3rd party dist, as at&t wasn't going to be pushing updates to me. > i also looked into the idea of installing the HTC ADP1 1.6 image, but for > all i could tell, this won't work on a G1. > > > On 10/11/09 4:31 PM, Jack wrote: > > My HT-03A firm ware is Android 1.5. But my computer's Android SDK is > 1.6. So I 'd like to update firmware of HT-03A. But I don't know where > is a update package of HT-03A. please tell me for them. > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > -- > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- <>
[android-beginners] Re: happy diwali
At least "How do I download the sdk" is on topic. Its a beginner question in a beginner forum... On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:14 AM, benjamin.grant.du wrote: > > This would be a nonissue if someone said merry Christmas on the > listserve. Let's review the following. Mike, you have clogged the > forums as much as the original post via your response. I know I have > as well, but you need corrected, as you're speaking irrationally. > Secondly, spreading joy with other people isn't arrogant. Thirdly, I'm > a white protestant raised in the US and I will be celebrating diwali - > no reason not to enjoy the company of others celebrating theirr faith. > Finally, your over reaction shows innate, unjustified prejudice on > your behalf. Julie "Club India"? Keep your racism to yourself. > Hinduism isn't limited to India and regardless, again, spreading joy > was a lot more pleasant than your bigotry. There are way more annoying > posts on this forum, such as "how do i download the android SDK", so > the fact that you took time to respond to this shows some serious > underlying issues you have with people from other faiths. Honestly, > writing something so broadly sweeping as "this will turn people > against you" using you as a term for all Hindus in a broad grouping > gesture is incredibly offensive. And Julie, your two last posts have > consisted of "huh, how rude!" and "huh wtf?", so I'm pretty sure we > can generally agree your posts have been significantly more useless. > It's not club valley girl either > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: How do I unsubscribe?
Click the more options button and do it from the web interface. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Danny W. Pimienta wrote: > > The unsub email doesn't work I keep getting a mailer-daemon return > email. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: happy diwali
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en Try that. (Yes, "more" implies "other than what is listed above" but it includes everything. Including a working unsubscribe.) On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Julie wrote: > Because maybe those are SPAMMERS with scripts and not actual human being > clogging up the mailbox? > > Speaking of this, looks like once you get on here, you can't unsubscribe! > PLEASE! Would someone fix that! > > To benjamin.grant.du - my last 2 response. In case you didn't realize, > there are A LOT of code beggers on here and not bother to use the word > "please"? If they want people to do their work for them, at least ask > nicely and using the word "please" once in awhile and maybe someone will > help them. We aren't here to serve them and do their work for them. Then > the second poster. If you been here for as long as I have, you'll know the > poster been asking the same question for months!! Even if people helped > them. Same thing over and over and over. > > I subscribe to LEARN and ask questions to problems I encountered and > interact with helpful smart people. NOT code beggers. Or people wishing on > holidays of their country/religion, etc.. if we do that, we'll have a lot of > people wishing Happy Diwali/Christmas/Easter/Labor Day, etc year-round and > that probably generate more traffic than actual Android development! > > Now if SOMEONE can fix the UNSUBSCRIBE feature, I would GLADLY leave this > forum that fill my Inbox with 50% useful ON-TOPIC posting/20% code > beggers/20% idiots that can't read manuals even when given the link/10% > trolls. > > > From: Alok Kulkarni > To: android-beginners@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 1:42:06 AM > Subject: [android-beginners] Re: happy diwali > > Hi MMC2 , i know this shd not be done. But no one opposes when someone sends > a Sex video link on this forum? why are those people not banned ? AAre they > not annoying ?? > Thanks ,(no more personal/ relegious messages ahead) > Alok. > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:07 PM, MMC2 wrote: >> >> I agree with Julie. All you are doing Alok is annoying people and clogging >> up the system with your own personal religion. This arrogance is what will >> turn people against you. >> >> Mike >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Alok Kulkarni >> To: android-beginners@googlegroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:00 PM >> Subject: [android-beginners] Re: happy diwali >> Chill Julie! dont take it personally...:) Happy Diwali all.. >> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Julie wrote: >>> >>> Huh? WTF? >>> This is Android Beginner Developer mailing list. NOT Club India. Please >>> keep it on-topic. >>> >>> From: saurabh sinha >>> To: android-beginners@googlegroups.com >>> Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 8:59:03 PM >>> Subject: [android-beginners] happy diwali >>> >>> Wish u very happy diwali to android developer >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Computer.
Cuz now they can send spam. On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Justin Anderson wrote: > Why? > > -- > There are only 10 types of people in the world... > Those who know binary and those who don't. > -- > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:28 PM, kami wrote: >> >> This site is dedicated to computers.It has lots and lots about >> computer related articles. >> Please visit.http://yourstuffs.com/main/ >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: mailing lists
What web site? (Specifically.) What lists? On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:01 AM, kypriakos wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I tried all mailing lists listed in the Android subcription web site > and all of them returned back with the error that their email does not > exist - I clicked on them and not copy them so there is no typo. Any > ideas? > > Thanks > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: getting open source eclair source code
It is currently closed source. There is no word on whether it will be opened, much less when. (In the past, eg 1.5, they were saying "we don't know when it will be released." Now they are saying "we don't know IF it will be released.") On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Vishwanath Madapura Gangaraju wrote: > > hi > > recently google release android 2.0 ( eclair ), i would like download > it using git. > repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git -b > eclair > but it failed. > could some help please. > > thanks > vishwa > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [android-beginners] private application on Android Market
No. Andappstore has such a feature though, if I remember correctly. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:42 AM, greg wrote: > Hello, > > I'm currently developing an Android application. I'd like to know if > it is possible to publish it in Android Market as a private beta, only > accessible for the people that have a password to test this > application. > > Thanks, Greg > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] Re: Did you know you can do this?
Go read the list info again - the first post needs to be approved. So all those posts they approve containing "hi i like the group" and other similar BS? Thats them approving the spammers. Fun stuff. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM, DaveInNYC wrote: > So could someone tell me why all my new posts need to be approved by a > moderator (which can often take several days) if they are obviously > not doing any moderating (i.e. they allow spam like this thread)? > > Also it is strange that I can *reply* to threads without a moderator > needing to approve it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] Nexus One as Dev Phone?
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:14 PM, ryan alford wrote: > You will be able to "download unsigned apps" and "debug on the phone". > These actually have nothing to do with being an "unlocked" phone. They are > settings in the Android OS. > > I don't know about the "flash custom Android builds". > > Yes and no - they claim that unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty, and right now the source is not available (nor is it a supported AOSP target.) > Ryan > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:07 PM, UncannyLifescience < > uncannybio...@uncanny.net> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If I purchase an unlocked Nexus One from the google website: >>http://www.google.com/phone >> will I be able to use it as a development target? >> >> WIll I be able to "flash custom Android builds", download unsigned >> apps and debug on the phone? >> / Hardware unlocked? >> >> Edward Elhauge - Computational Biologist >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Android Beginners" group. >> >> NEW! Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Beginners" group. > > NEW! Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. NEW! Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
Re: [android-beginners] can you help me about this deal?
It is called "spam" and the moderators don't approve every post. They only approve the first one or more (until the account is 'vetted' basically), so spammers are using the public archives to get working emails and spoofing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 has some info you might find helpful. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Justin Anderson wrote: > What in the world does this have to do with Android and how did this post > get approved by the moderators? > > -- > There are only 10 types of people in the world... > Those who know binary and those who don't. > -- > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:31 AM, apple man wrote: > >> hi >> i saw this very cheap macbook pro >> 500$ >> here: (the 3rd from the left) >> >> http://sites.google.com/site/applestorebyamazone1/ >> >> i want to buy it, is it a good price? can i get a lower price? >> thanks >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Android Beginners" group. >> >> NEW! Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at >> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Android Beginners" group. > > NEW! Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. NEW! Try asking and tagging your question on Stack Overflow at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/android To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en
[android-beginners] Re: Please cancell, do not send more emails. thanks
If you look at every single message, including the one you sent, you'll see something really cool at the bottom: You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group.* To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Morfa, Manuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Manny Morfa > IT Desktop Support Analyst > Information Technology Dept. > Goodwin Procter LLP > T: 617-305-6689 > C: 617-838-4368 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > *** > > IRS CIRCULAR 230 DISCLOSURE: To ensure compliance with requirements imposed > by the IRS, we inform you that any U.S. tax advice contained in this > communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be > used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding penalties under > the Internal Revenue Code or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to > another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. > > *** > *** > > This message is intended only for the designated recipient(s). It may > contain confidential or proprietary information and may be subject to the > attorney-client privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are > not a designated recipient, you may not review, copy or distribute this > message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender by reply > e-mail and delete this message. Thank you. > *** > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: buggy Android phone (Tmobile g1)
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:36 AM, guzjd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You might want to try replacing your certificate with a trusted > certificate from a company like Verisign. Your phone is essentially a > small computer so it will warn you when you are using a certificate > that could be a suspected forgery. As for importing certificates I am > still trying to figure this out. I don't even own the phone, I am just > trying to help a friend get there phone to connect to our Exchange > server via IMAPS. > That seems wildly unnecessary when you control (or trust) both ends of the connection. CA-signed certs are great for authenticating the far end when you don't know who controls it, but for a simple small office or similar, you don't need to know that the far end has been authenticated by verisign or thawte or whomever, you simply need to know that it doesn't change unexpectedly. The mail app fails this dramatically - you can accept ONLY authenticated certs or ANY cert, regardless of changes.. (so I can easily sit on the wifi network with you at starbucks, spin up my own cert and steal your login info - the client won't prompt and you'll never know I was there.) > > The problem with folders being created and mail not being removed from > the inbox is how I always understood the IMAP protocol to work. What > type of server are you running? We are running Exchange 2007, and I > have observed similar behavior when using Exchange 2007. The only time > I have seen Exchange take the messages out of the inbox is when using > POP3 because it would drop it in a PST, but this was Windows/Windows > Mobile.(Outlook didn't let you create a POP3 mailbox without > specifying a PST to dump to.) If you want to learn more about the > protocols and server configuration you should probably hit up forums > for your server type. I have researched this before, but these > problems you are having were not an inconvenience for me because I > would cleanup my inbox regularly and empty the trash weekly. > IMAP can be thought of as access to a remote filesystem, dos-style. When you delet a message it gets flagged 'deleted' (and many mail clients will hide them or create a fake 'trash' folder to show them in, ala the windows recycle bin). This results in messages living forever, until either a client or the server issues an expunge command. Folders that are created and removed should be reflected by the client as soon as it does a folder list; removed folders should never hang around... > I haven't seen a bulk deletion feature yet. As for the rest of this I > am unsure. The apps for this phone are being actively developed from > what I hear. > The problem with that is that you need google to fix the app, then tmob to issue a (always slightly risky) OTA update. In the real world, chances are very good that the on-board apps will change slowly if at all.. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Android on HTC Touch Pro
So feel free to port it to other hardware. People have already done so for the freerunner and n810, as well as run-from-ram versions on at least one windows mobile device. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:15 PM, caseyd0 wrote: > > Will we ever get to install the Android OS on other phones, like my > HTC Fuze aka HTC Touch Pro? or can you only buy it on premade > phones? I was under the impression that the point of an open phone > operating system was that we could install it on most anything? > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: [android-developers] Re: G1 owners: "A system update is available" - is it safe?
What he's not mentioning (and this is importnat if you are a developer) is that the update will remove root access, so you lose most of the (potential) control over your device. On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Stoyan Damov wrote: > > @ JBQ, I'm sorry for the wrong place to ask. I got this impression > that android-discuss was the "android internals" list, I don't know > how this occurred to me. Sorry again and *thanks* for your reply! > @ Cyril - Thanks mate! > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Jean-Baptiste Queru > wrote: > > > > This'd be a question for android-discuss, actually. > > > > The SIM-locking in the G1 is unrelated to Android itself, it's a much > > deeper property of the underlying firmware. You can apply the upgrade > > and your device will still be SIM-unlocked. > > > > JBQ > > > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Stoyan Damov > wrote: > >> > >> Sorry for the cross-post, but it's kind of urgent. > >> > >> I got this message "A system update is available. While your phone is > >> updating, you cannot make emergency calls. Your phone will restart > >> during the update." > >> I own an unlocked G1 (I'm in Bulgaria), so I'm concerned that I'll > >> have to unlock it again after the update. If anyone has got the > >> update, can you verify that it didn't require a re-activation? > >> > >> Thanks a bunch > >> Stoyan > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jean-Baptiste M. "JBQ" Queru > > Android Engineer, Google. > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Wifi --> 3G when the phone goes into stand-by mode
It is built into the screen blank. Once cupcake builds for adp1 again I'm probably going to see about using actual wifi powersave modes instead of the very-expensive drop/reassociate that it does now. (And for the record, its 2 mins after the screenblank fires.) On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Sander wrote: > > When my phone goes into standby mode, so when the screen blackens, > Android switches from the WiFi network to the 3G network. This means > that if I don't use my phone for 1 minute when for instance chatting, > the connection switches to 3G and my connection to the Google Talk > server gets disconnected. When I unlock the screen, the connection > switches to WiFi again (again disconnecting the Google Talk server). > Is there a way to stop this process? If I'm at home I'd rather have > that Android stays connected to the WiFi network. > > Thanks, > > Sander > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: emulator: ERROR: you must provide the name of a virtual machine to start the emulator.
Run: . ./build/envsetup.sh emulator On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 7:50 AM, moontain wrote: > Hi, > > I downloaded the platform source code and completed a build. > When I trying to run the emulator with following command,error occurs. > $ ./out/host/darwin-x86/bin/emulator -system ./out/target/product/generic > -kernel ./prebuilt/android-arm/kernel/kernel-qemu -skindir > ./development/emulator/skins > > Below is the error message. > > emulator: ERROR: you must provide the name of a virtual machine to start > the emulator. > please see -help-vm for details. > > what's wrong with the command? what's the name of the virtual machine in > the case? > > I'm using Mac OS X v 10.4.11, XCode v2.5 > > Regards, > Moontain > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Rc30 root
http://www.gotontheinter.net/content/rc30-downgrade-merry-christmas-everyone On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 1:07 PM, mikedmeyer wrote: > > How do you do it with a PC? Unless I've read incorrectly, once your > G1 is (unmodded) RC30 you're SOL. > > On Jan 23, 11:39 pm, "cbowley...@gmail.com" > wrote: > >Hi group. I have a G1 that came with RC30. I would like root and > > I've figured out how (with a p.c.). I am wondering if there is a way > > to root my G1 without the use of a p.c. I know I need to roll back, > > then update to a modded rc30, but I do not have a pc to accomplish > > this. Can anyone help? Thanks. > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Rc30 root
It sometimes works fine without, if you can convince the phone to save the file with the right name. It has a signature and crc, so if it is damaged it will not flash. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 12:24 PM, technick wrote: > > I don't think this is possible. From my experience, to downgrade to > the RC29, you need to format you sdcard to fat32 first and then put > the img on it (roughly about 80-90 megs in size). You should do this > from a pc to ensure everything is downloaded correctly and you can > check the md5 of the files to avoid bricking your phone. > > On Jan 24, 2:39 am, "cbowley...@gmail.com" > wrote: > >Hi group. I have a G1 that came with RC30. I would like root and > > I've figured out how (with a p.c.). I am wondering if there is a way > > to root my G1 without the use of a p.c. I know I need to roll back, > > then update to a modded rc30, but I do not have a pc to accomplish > > this. Can anyone help? Thanks. > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: multi-touch?
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Strawp wrote: > 2. It has been *suggested* that the lack of multitouch is intentional > to avoid potential trouble with Apple > http://www.talkandroid.com/790-google-apple-multi-touch-g1/ > If this is true then even if full MT could be hacked in then it will > still never make an official release. > According to the googs, they'd love to have a proper mt framework in place. The hack Luke put together (overriding size) isn't it, and he agrees. So instead of "omg they hate multitouch!" work up a spec and submit some patches - if they get refused for no good reason, THEN you can buy into the whole "apple rules the world" mess.. :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: multi-touch?
Realistically he wouldn't know anymore than you or I would, but I'd be very surprised if it were true. (Esp the 3.5mm thing, since htc is long known for leaving out that port..) On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Michael Martin - MM Agency < mi...@mm-agency.com> wrote: > This even expanded to the "theories" that Apple is the reason why there > is no 3.5mm headphone port on the G1 - > http://www.googleandblog.com/why-no-g1-35mm-headphone-jack/3750/ - but > Luke Hutchison who hacked multi-touch onto the G1 says both claims are > bogus. > > > > > -- > > *From:* Disconnect [mailto:dc.disconn...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:08 AM > *To:* android-beginners@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [android-beginners] Re: multi-touch? > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Strawp wrote: > > 2. It has been *suggested* that the lack of multitouch is intentional > to avoid potential trouble with Apple > http://www.talkandroid.com/790-google-apple-multi-touch-g1/ > If this is true then even if full MT could be hacked in then it will > still never make an official release. > > > According to the googs, they'd love to have a proper mt framework in place. > The hack Luke put together (overriding size) isn't it, and he agrees. So > instead of "omg they hate multitouch!" work up a spec and submit some > patches - if they get refused for no good reason, THEN you can buy into the > whole "apple rules the world" mess.. :) > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: how to update the firmware of the dev phone to 1.1?
That will not get you 1.1 - it will get you master, which (iirc) is to be called 1.5. (What it is right now is a bleeding edge development branch, that is rarely updated from the internal google branches, plus the fixes needed to build without google's huge collection of closed-source apps and framework pieces.) On master wifi, etc works fine. It is just google apps that are missing. (For the interested, I host fastbootable-images at http://andblogs.net/images/snapshots - I update them every day or two, as changes are pushed into the public tree.) For 1.1, your official options are "sucks to be you". Your unofficial options are a little better - since google updated all their employees phones you can install the 'holiday' update. (Available for any testkeys-enabled phone - like the adp1 - at http://is.gd/j2uK .. use the 'nochecks' version.) Google updated their employees phones instead of the adp1 phones, probably to make sure you knew your place.. :( On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:53 AM, Andrew wrote: > > > On Feb 28, 8:20 am, Ákos Maróy wrote: > > > I'm a newbie towards android, just having received my development phone > > > yesterday. I saw on the android developers site that a newer version of > > > the SDK is available - 1.1. the dev phone I got is shipped with 1.0 > > Please understand what you are doing before following the steps below! > > The version of the SDK and the firmware version do not have to match. > There may be new versions of the SDK (which fix bugs in the SDK) > without new versions of the firmware and vice versa. > > On Mar 1, 1:56 am, djupp wrote: > > > I was looking at the site for documentation, but I can't find a simple > > > description on how to update my phone to 1.1. any pointers would be > > > appreciated.. > > The ADP1 is supposed to be updated by you, compiling the source on > > your own. There are many guides out there that can help you get there > > (or just to install a preconfigured build of 1.1). > > Nobody knows how the upgrade process will actually be when Google > finally figure out how to perform it. But you may compile the source > and install it - but some of the functionality and programs you may be > using will be missing! Google has not released code for (as far as I > remember): WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, GMail, Calendar and other things! You > may extract binary versions out of your Android but that may not be > compatible with the firmware version you are installing! > > > Make sure to look through the documentation on source.android.com. > > One of the most important sources of information to me is the xda- > > developers forum at > http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=448 > > It is a good place for hacking but understand what you are doing > before performing any of the steps or you may brick your phone! > > > However if you're building for the actual handset, you need to include > > extra modules (GPS drivers etc.). Infos on that can be found > > at http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream > > Try it it is fun! :-) > > Andrew > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: how to update the firmware of the dev phone to 1.1?
..except the ota update they just pushed specifically has a totally unlocked bootloader. This is an employee dev phone (image), they are unlikely to lock it down. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Andrew wrote: > > On Mar 1, 7:13 pm, Disconnect wrote: > > For 1.1, your official options are "sucks to be you". Your > > unofficial options are a little better - since google updated > > all their employees phones you can install the 'holiday' > > update. (Available for any testkeys-enabled phone - like the > > adp1 - at http://is.gd/j2uK.. use the 'nochecks' version.) > > Google updated their employees phones instead of the > > adp1 phones, probably to make sure you knew your place.. :( > > If you go down that road you may get OTA updates later which may flash > a new bootloader to your device which in the end may lock the phone so > you cannot do anything with it anymore unless you reset it back to > 1.0! > > /Andrew > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-beginners] Re: Wifi --> 3G when the phone goes into stand-by mode
It happens regardless of ac status. I seem to recall a setting that prevents lock/blank on ac, that is your best bet. On 12/23/08, Sander wrote: > > Ah, thank you for your clarification. It's not even possible to > disable this kind of behaviour when the phone is connected to a power > source? > > Sander > > On Dec 22, 7:05 pm, Disconnect wrote: >> It is built into the screen blank. >> >> Once cupcake builds for adp1 again I'm probably going to see about using >> actual wifi powersave modes instead of the very-expensive drop/reassociate >> that it does now. (And for the record, its 2 mins after the screenblank >> fires.) >> >> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Sander wrote: >> >> > When my phone goes into standby mode, so when the screen blackens, >> > Android switches from the WiFi network to the 3G network. This means >> > that if I don't use my phone for 1 minute when for instance chatting, >> > the connection switches to 3G and my connection to the Google Talk >> > server gets disconnected. When I unlock the screen, the connection >> > switches to WiFi again (again disconnecting the Google Talk server). >> > Is there a way to stop this process? If I'm at home I'd rather have >> > that Android stays connected to the WiFi network. >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Sander > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to android-beginners@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-beginners-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-beginners?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
