Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[alex kyo]

Thanks Kevin

I've used App Brain but it seems nothing to do with "simulate a user 
clicking INSTALL"

Is there an other way to simulate the click?

I am using webview in my app.

On Saturday, October 27, 2012 11:41:54 AM UTC+9, Kevin TeslaCoil Apps wrote:
>
> I would guess that they simulate a user clicking INSTALL from the web 
> based Play Store. I believe this would be technically doable if they either 
> had the user login or had the users Google password. Then the Play Store 
> takes care of pushing the app to the device and installing it in the 
> background. There would still be the notification icon showing it has been 
> installed and hopefully users are weary of typing their Google password 
> into apps. It's likely that such a setup would violate one or more Play 
> Store policies, but I do not know. I think App Brain did something along 
> these lines at some point?
>
> -Kevin
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:54:28 AM UTC-5, alex kyo wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Mark
>>
>> One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not 
>> device manufacturer.
>>
>> Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps.
>>
>> My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by 
>> AccountManager 
>> and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here)
>>
>> Finally, after the device performed sync process, log 
>> out programmatically 
>> the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> > Or their company is actually TMobile... 
>>>
>>> Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I 
>>> was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for 
>>> developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. 
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[alex kyo]

That's sounds like a good idea, Tim

But I've retrieved the install URL with tokens, but it didn't work, is that 
right?


On Sunday, October 28, 2012 6:28:24 AM UTC+9, strazzere wrote:
>
> Correct, you basically just need to request the proper auth tokens, then 
> simulate the protocol being used the by Play store / web site.
>
> Tim Strazzere
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2012 7:41:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin TeslaCoil Apps wrote:
>>
>> I would guess that they simulate a user clicking INSTALL from the web 
>> based Play Store. I believe this would be technically doable if they either 
>> had the user login or had the users Google password. Then the Play Store 
>> takes care of pushing the app to the device and installing it in the 
>> background. There would still be the notification icon showing it has been 
>> installed and hopefully users are weary of typing their Google password 
>> into apps. It's likely that such a setup would violate one or more Play 
>> Store policies, but I do not know. I think App Brain did something along 
>> these lines at some point?
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>> On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:54:28 AM UTC-5, alex kyo wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Mark
>>>
>>> One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not 
>>> device manufacturer.
>>>
>>> Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps.
>>>
>>> My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by 
>>> AccountManager 
>>> and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here)
>>>
>>> Finally, after the device performed sync process, log 
>>> out programmatically 
>>> the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons 
>>> Guy) wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski 
  wrote: 
 > Or their company is actually TMobile... 

 Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I 
 was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for 
 developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. 

 -- 
 Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) 
 http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy 
 http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy 

 _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! 

>>>

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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[strazzere]

Correct, you basically just need to request the proper auth tokens, then 
simulate the protocol being used the by Play store / web site.

Tim Strazzere

On Friday, October 26, 2012 7:41:54 PM UTC-7, Kevin TeslaCoil Apps wrote:
>
> I would guess that they simulate a user clicking INSTALL from the web 
> based Play Store. I believe this would be technically doable if they either 
> had the user login or had the users Google password. Then the Play Store 
> takes care of pushing the app to the device and installing it in the 
> background. There would still be the notification icon showing it has been 
> installed and hopefully users are weary of typing their Google password 
> into apps. It's likely that such a setup would violate one or more Play 
> Store policies, but I do not know. I think App Brain did something along 
> these lines at some point?
>
> -Kevin
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:54:28 AM UTC-5, alex kyo wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Mark
>>
>> One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not 
>> device manufacturer.
>>
>> Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps.
>>
>> My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by 
>> AccountManager 
>> and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here)
>>
>> Finally, after the device performed sync process, log 
>> out programmatically 
>> the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> > Or their company is actually TMobile... 
>>>
>>> Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I 
>>> was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for 
>>> developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) 
>>> http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy 
>>> http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy 
>>>
>>> _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! 
>>>
>>

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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[Kevin TeslaCoil Software]

I would guess that they simulate a user clicking INSTALL from the web based 
Play Store. I believe this would be technically doable if they either had 
the user login or had the users Google password. Then the Play Store takes 
care of pushing the app to the device and installing it in the background. 
There would still be the notification icon showing it has been installed 
and hopefully users are weary of typing their Google password into apps. 
It's likely that such a setup would violate one or more Play Store 
policies, but I do not know. I think App Brain did something along these 
lines at some point?

-Kevin

On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:54:28 AM UTC-5, alex kyo wrote:
>
> Thanks, Mark
>
> One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not 
> device manufacturer.
>
> Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps.
>
> My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by 
> AccountManager 
> and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here)
>
> Finally, after the device performed sync process, log out programmatically 
> the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install.
>
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) 
> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski 
>>  wrote: 
>> > Or their company is actually TMobile... 
>>
>> Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I 
>> was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for 
>> developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. 
>>
>> -- 
>> Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) 
>> http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy 
>> http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy 
>>
>> _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! 
>>
>

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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[alex kyo]

Thanks, Mark

One thing I can definitely confirm is that they are not device manufacturer.

Suppose there is a google account(*ga*) which contains several apps.

My guess is that they might register a stock device with the *ga* by 
AccountManager 
and then call the sync api (I don't know exactly what api will be here)

Finally, after the device performed sync process, log out programmatically 
the apps will be remained and it looks like silent install.


On Friday, October 26, 2012 4:00:24 PM UTC+9, Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) 
wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski 
> > wrote: 
> > Or their company is actually TMobile... 
>
> Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I 
> was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for 
> developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption. 
>
> -- 
> Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) 
> http://commonsware.com | http://github.com/commonsguy 
> http://commonsware.com/blog | http://twitter.com/commonsguy 
>
> _The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development_ Version 4.2 Available! 
>

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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[Mark Murphy]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Kristopher Micinski
 wrote:
> Or their company is actually TMobile...

Oh, true. A device manufacturer can do this stuff without a problem. I
was assuming that this was an SDK app, since this is a list for
developing SDK apps, but that may not have been a valid assumption.

-- 
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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[Kristopher Micinski]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:41 AM, Mark Murphy  wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:30 AM, alex kyo  wrote:
>> I am wondering if there is any way to install the app directly & silently On
>> a stock android without pushing a button.
>
> Fortunately, no, for obvious security reasons.
>
>> the rival company, of course, they won't tell us how they can do it.
>
> If they are able to do it, they are doing so presumably via some
> security hole. Be sure to point out if and when they release an app
> that does this, so we can get that security hole closed.

Or their company is actually TMobile...

kris

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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[Mark Murphy]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:30 AM, alex kyo  wrote:
> I am wondering if there is any way to install the app directly & silently On
> a stock android without pushing a button.

Fortunately, no, for obvious security reasons.

> the rival company, of course, they won't tell us how they can do it.

If they are able to do it, they are doing so presumably via some
security hole. Be sure to point out if and when they release an app
that does this, so we can get that security hole closed.

-- 
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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[alex kyo]

thanks for your reply, TreKing

That's a question for a lawyer if I could afford one.

On Friday, October 26, 2012 2:51:03 AM UTC+9, TreKing wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:30 AM, alex kyo 
> > wrote:
>
>> Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
>
>
> That's a question for a lawyer.
>
>
> -
> TreKing  - Chicago 
> transit tracking app for Android-powered devices
>
>

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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[alex kyo]

Thanks for your reply*, *Kris

My (3rd party)app was built to install apps on STOCK android via google 
play,
What I did was link to Play store by an url like 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fusepowered.google.jawsrevenge
, and when user click INSTALL button the installation will begin.

I am wondering if there is any way to install the app directly & 
silently On a stock android without pushing a button.
I've tried the url request send by the install button, but it doesn't work 
at all.

the rival company, of course, they won't tell us how they can do it.

thanks again



On Friday, October 26, 2012 3:17:58 AM UTC+9, Kristopher Micinski wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:30 AM, alex kyo > 
> wrote: 
> > Download and install apps from google play without prompt. 
> > I know there are only 2 ways to achieve that, sign the 3rd party app 
> with a 
> > system signature or root the device. 
> > But I think both will cause security trouble and neither will be 
> acceptable 
> > to the end user. 
> > 
> > My question is 
> > Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use? 
> > 
> > I was told that our rival company made it recently. 
> > And they prepare to release their service next month. 
> > 
>
> I'm not sure what you mean, how and what are they doing, and what do 
> you want to do? 
>
> > Does google have any legal regulation on that? 
> > 
>
> Google certainly doesn't regulate it.. 
>
> kris 
>

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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[Kristopher Micinski]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:30 AM, alex kyo  wrote:
> Download and install apps from google play without prompt.
> I know there are only 2 ways to achieve that, sign the 3rd party app with a
> system signature or root the device.
> But I think both will cause security trouble and neither will be acceptable
> to the end user.
>
> My question is
> Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?
>
> I was told that our rival company made it recently.
> And they prepare to release their service next month.
>

I'm not sure what you mean, how and what are they doing, and what do
you want to do?

> Does google have any legal regulation on that?
>

Google certainly doesn't regulate it..

kris

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Re: [android-developers] Is it legal to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?

[TreKing]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:30 AM, alex kyo  wrote:

> Is it LEGAL to implement APK's silent installation for commercial use?


That's a question for a lawyer.

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