Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
Darn and I was going to patent that! ;-) On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Christopher Van Kirk christopher.vank...@gmail.com wrote: That's not going to stop them from coming after you, and it'll be on you to explain the distinction in court (if they were really going to sue you). They seem to think they've patented the link to purchase from an app, and you could arguably conclude that even links inside a web browser violate the patent because the browser is an app and you're purchasing from it. When you start to boil things down in the software world pretty much everything is the same as everything else, which is why patenting makes no sense. In my humble opinion. On 8/30/2011 5:09 AM, Wayne Wenthin wrote: That opens an interesting concept.If you want the paid version of my game download this intermediary app that will then point you to the premium game.They can't claim you are linking to an upgrade to your game if the link is not in the free version Hmmm. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Mark Carter mjc1...@googlemail.comwrote: Does it only matter if you link to your app's details Market page or is it also a problem linking to your Other apps...? On 29 August 2011 17:50, Andy m...@tekx.de wrote: If you have a App in the Market it's madatory to make a adress public for billing. And yes, this aplies to links also, because my Button is simply a Link to the Android Market. In Android you can choose what to do with certain links. Like youtube links open the Youtube Browser, so Market links are opening the Market App. It's shame how patent claim where send to tiny small developers who are only using mechnismas that already exists since the Web was born. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Follow us on Twitter @fuliginsoftware Join the forums. http://www.fuligin.com/forums -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Follow us on Twitter @fuliginsoftware Join the forums. http://www.fuligin.com/forums -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
On Sunday, August 28, 2011 5:41:53 AM UTC+2, Mark Carter wrote: Out of interest, how do they get the dev's address? Maybe they retrieve it via WHOIS'ing the domain name associated to the developer contact information (meaning the whois information is not protected/obfuscated) or via crossing information from Google search until they reach a valid address. Worst case scenario would be that Android Market is giving this information but I seriously doubt. I am wondering if it's also apply to a link from a free version pointing to a donate one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
If you have a App in the Market it's madatory to make a adress public for billing. And yes, this aplies to links also, because my Button is simply a Link to the Android Market. In Android you can choose what to do with certain links. Like youtube links open the Youtube Browser, so Market links are opening the Market App. It's shame how patent claim where send to tiny small developers who are only using mechnismas that already exists since the Web was born. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
Does it only matter if you link to your app's details Market page or is it also a problem linking to your Other apps...? On 29 August 2011 17:50, Andy m...@tekx.de wrote: If you have a App in the Market it's madatory to make a adress public for billing. And yes, this aplies to links also, because my Button is simply a Link to the Android Market. In Android you can choose what to do with certain links. Like youtube links open the Youtube Browser, so Market links are opening the Market App. It's shame how patent claim where send to tiny small developers who are only using mechnismas that already exists since the Web was born. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
go away fck spammer On Aug 27, 2011 8:50 AM, Andy m...@tekx.de wrote: Hi makjaveli, i recieved a Lodsys letter 2 Days ago. Same Problem here. I have a button in my app linked to the Android Market. It's simply a button with a underlaying http Link pointing to the payed app URL. I can't think of a szenario where this can be proteced by a patent, because it a common/trivial link mechanisam found everywhere in the net , websites, apps, mobile apps, whatsoever. Because I'm only a hobby programmer while my app sold like 250 times ( maybe 100 to US) I'm not sure what to do. I read their article on what are we charging http://www.lodsys.com/1/post/2011/05/q-what-are-you-charging.html and thought it would be a solution to ask for licening an pay them ~ 5$ for the past usage. Has anyone solved his Lodsys claim fast and easy ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
That opens an interesting concept.If you want the paid version of my game download this intermediary app that will then point you to the premium game.They can't claim you are linking to an upgrade to your game if the link is not in the free version Hmmm. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Mark Carter mjc1...@googlemail.com wrote: Does it only matter if you link to your app's details Market page or is it also a problem linking to your Other apps...? On 29 August 2011 17:50, Andy m...@tekx.de wrote: If you have a App in the Market it's madatory to make a adress public for billing. And yes, this aplies to links also, because my Button is simply a Link to the Android Market. In Android you can choose what to do with certain links. Like youtube links open the Youtube Browser, so Market links are opening the Market App. It's shame how patent claim where send to tiny small developers who are only using mechnismas that already exists since the Web was born. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Follow us on Twitter @fuliginsoftware Join the forums. http://www.fuligin.com/forums -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
That's not going to stop them from coming after you, and it'll be on you to explain the distinction in court (if they were really going to sue you). They seem to think they've patented the link to purchase from an app, and you could arguably conclude that even links inside a web browser violate the patent because the browser is an app and you're purchasing from it. When you start to boil things down in the software world pretty much everything is the same as everything else, which is why patenting makes no sense. In my humble opinion. On 8/30/2011 5:09 AM, Wayne Wenthin wrote: That opens an interesting concept.If you want the paid version of my game download this intermediary app that will then point you to the premium game.They can't claim you are linking to an upgrade to your game if the link is not in the free version Hmmm. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Mark Carter mjc1...@googlemail.com mailto:mjc1...@googlemail.com wrote: Does it only matter if you link to your app's details Market page or is it also a problem linking to your Other apps...? On 29 August 2011 17:50, Andy m...@tekx.de mailto:m...@tekx.de wrote: If you have a App in the Market it's madatory to make a adress public for billing. And yes, this aplies to links also, because my Button is simply a Link to the Android Market. In Android you can choose what to do with certain links. Like youtube links open the Youtube Browser, so Market links are opening the Market App. It's shame how patent claim where send to tiny small developers who are only using mechnismas that already exists since the Web was born. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:android-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:android-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Follow us on Twitter @fuliginsoftware Join the forums. http://www.fuligin.com/forums -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
It's reasonable to expect that they will attempt to shake down everyone who sells an Android app. It's not reasonable to expect that they will actually sue everyone they contact. Nobody has the resources to do that. I still think this is just one guy in a dark room writing threatening letters hoping to scare people into sending him money. Not much different from the Nigerian prince scam, only legal. The more of these letters we see, the less likely it is that any of them can be taken seriously. My opinion of course. On 8/9/2011 6:52 PM, makjaveli wrote: The threat to get a letter from Lodsys about possible infringing their patents on Android is quite real. We recieved such a letter yesterday, we just provide a button with a link to the full version in the demo version of our app which from their view is an in-app purchase. We currently evaluating our opertunities but as a legal fight with a patent bully and paying a patent license for the next years is not a big option for us, we currently considering pulling all our demo versions from the U.S. market and only offer payed versions. On Jul 15, 3:38 pm, polyclefsoftwaredja...@gmail.com wrote: I'm close to releasing a new iPhone/Android local multiplayer game and I'm looking into monetization issues. My ad revenue is still dismal this year, even though impressions and clicks are fairly robust. And the format of the game is such that I want to encourage new users to easily try the game for free, so I was thinking of using a freemium model where the app is free to download, then locks after a certain amount of gameplay and prompts the user to unlock the full version using in-app purchases. I'd be interested to hear any experiences of any developers who might currently be using this approach. From a marketing/sales perspective, how well does this model work? I know in-app purchases for virtual goods is extremely lucrative if done well, but I haven't heard any experiences of the unlock-full-version model on the Android Market. From a technical perspective, how easy is it for users to exploit such a model, e.g. uninstalling and reinstalling the app or wiping local data associated with the app in order to circumvent the limitations of the free version? Are there best practices to avoid this? From a legal perspective, should developers (especially indie ones like me) be concerned about the current patent trolling and lawsuits by companies like Lodsys? Google still hasn't publicly commented on patent trolls targeting Android developers, have they? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
The guy is still writing letters so it stands to reason some people are paying him. On 8/27/2011 2:49 PM, Andy wrote: Hi makjaveli, i recieved a Lodsys letter 2 Days ago. Same Problem here. I have a button in my app linked to the Android Market. It's simply a button with a underlaying http Link pointing to the payed app URL. I can't think of a szenario where this can be proteced by a patent, because it a common/trivial link mechanisam found everywhere in the net , websites, apps, mobile apps, whatsoever. Because I'm only a hobby programmer while my app sold like 250 times ( maybe 100 to US) I'm not sure what to do. I read their article on what are we charging http://www.lodsys.com/1/post/2011/05/q-what-are-you-charging.html and thought it would be a solution to ask for licening an pay them ~ 5$ for the past usage. Has anyone solved his Lodsys claim fast and easy ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Freemium Model with In-App Purchases
Out of interest, how do they get the dev's address? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
