Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)
> Which then allows you to mistakenly claim there is or isn't consensus. > Which itself is prone to abuse. you may want to take a look at 7282 On Consensus and Humming in the IETF. P. Resnick. June 2014. but we have been here before -- Ettore Bugatti, maker of the finest cars of his day, was once asked why his cars had less than perfect brakes. He replied something like, "Any fool can make a car stop. It takes a genius to make a car go." randy
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)
Which then allows you to mistakenly claim there is or isn't consensus. Which itself is prone to abuse. On 6/10/2020 2:28 am, Brian Nisbet wrote: All, I'm on leave from work this week and not checking this email a/c as often as I normally would (or, hopefully, at all this week!), but I wanted to pop in to clarify something. We do not vote on proposals in the RIPE community. We discuss them and either consensus is reached or it is not. There is, therefore, no calls for votes, nor counting of same. I would encourage everyone to read the material at https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies in order to gain a better understanding of the process. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 *From:* anti-abuse-wg on behalf of PP *Sent:* Monday 5 October 2020 11:04 *To:* anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net *Subject:* Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”) CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. You don't know that it was "marginal" support, because no count was ever conducted. The Chair never asked for a "vote", and then when people didn't "vote" (because they had never been asked to), they concluded (wrongly) that there was no support for the proposal. On 5/10/2020 8:51 pm, Alex de Joode wrote: Jordi, The proposal received a lot of push back. Your statement "some clear support for the policy during the discussion phase", is missing the word "marginal" between some and clear. I believe the Anti-Abuse WG Co-Chairs made the right call. Please consider retracting your appeal. -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | a...@idgara.nl <mailto:a...@idgara.nl> | +31651108221 On Mon, 05-10-2020 10h 23min, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es> wrote: Hi all, This appeal (attached in PDF) follows the process outlined by ripe-710 (RIPE PDP). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theipv6company.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Ca2a4a12e445d4c10fa4308d869160918%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637374890673962409=NQ%2FgJyz%2BpjWRO1Xh0PUGPmm7thiUh3jeEpAGLaYiRGw%3D=0> The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)
All, I'm on leave from work this week and not checking this email a/c as often as I normally would (or, hopefully, at all this week!), but I wanted to pop in to clarify something. We do not vote on proposals in the RIPE community. We discuss them and either consensus is reached or it is not. There is, therefore, no calls for votes, nor counting of same. I would encourage everyone to read the material at https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies in order to gain a better understanding of the process. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nis...@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270 From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of PP Sent: Monday 5 October 2020 11:04 To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”) CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation. Do not click on links or open the attachments unless you recognise the sender and know the content is safe. You don't know that it was "marginal" support, because no count was ever conducted. The Chair never asked for a "vote", and then when people didn't "vote" (because they had never been asked to), they concluded (wrongly) that there was no support for the proposal. On 5/10/2020 8:51 pm, Alex de Joode wrote: Jordi, The proposal received a lot of push back. Your statement "some clear support for the policy during the discussion phase", is missing the word "marginal" between some and clear. I believe the Anti-Abuse WG Co-Chairs made the right call. Please consider retracting your appeal. -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | a...@idgara.nl<mailto:a...@idgara.nl> | +31651108221 On Mon, 05-10-2020 10h 23min, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <mailto:jordi.pa...@consulintel.es> wrote: Hi all, This appeal (attached in PDF) follows the process outlined by ripe-710 (RIPE PDP). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theipv6company.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7Ca2a4a12e445d4c10fa4308d869160918%7Ccd9e8269dfb648e082538b7baf8d3391%7C0%7C0%7C637374890673962409=NQ%2FgJyz%2BpjWRO1Xh0PUGPmm7thiUh3jeEpAGLaYiRGw%3D=0> The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)
Hi Alex, The consensus is not measured in terms of “how much” support, but if the objections have been refuted. And, in case you missed that, the sentence “some clear support for the policy during the discussion phase” is quoted from the Co-chairs email, not my words: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2020-September/005929.html Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 5/10/20 11:51, "Alex de Joode" escribió: Jordi, The proposal received a lot of push back. Your statement "some clear support for the policy during the discussion phase", is missing the word "marginal" between some and clear. I believe the Anti-Abuse WG Co-Chairs made the right call. Please consider retracting your appeal. -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | a...@idgara.nl | +31651108221 On Mon, 05-10-2020 10h 23min, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi all, This appeal (attached in PDF) follows the process outlined by ripe-710 (RIPE PDP). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. ** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)
You don't know that it was "marginal" support, because no count was ever conducted. The Chair never asked for a "vote", and then when people didn't "vote" (because they had never been asked to), they concluded (wrongly) that there was no support for the proposal. On 5/10/2020 8:51 pm, Alex de Joode wrote: Jordi, The proposal received a lot of push back. Your statement "some clear support for the policy during the discussion phase", is missing the word "marginal" between some and clear. I believe the Anti-Abuse WG Co-Chairs made the right call. Please consider retracting your appeal. -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | a...@idgara.nl | +31651108221 On Mon, 05-10-2020 10h 23min, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi all, This appeal (attached in PDF) follows the process outlined by ripe-710 (RIPE PDP). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)
Jordi, The proposal received a lot of push back. Your statement "some clear support for the policy during the discussion phase", is missing the word "marginal" between some and clear. I believe the Anti-Abuse WG Co-Chairs made the right call. Please consider retracting your appeal. -- IDGARA | Alex de Joode | a...@idgara.nl | +31651108221 On Mon, 05-10-2020 10h 23min, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > Hi all, > > This appeal (attached in PDF) follows the process outlined by ripe-710 (RIPE > PDP). > > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > > > ** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the > individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if > partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be > considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware > that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly > prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the > original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > >
